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I know if a person started boxing at the age of 20 he could easily contend, win titles, and make good money. If you start at that age, can you be in a world all of your own such as Ali, Robinson, Jones, Mayweather? This of course is assuming you have their same natural ability and understanding of the art, but you happend to not start at a young age. Or is it absolutely necessary to have a long, drawn-out amateur career (5-10 years) to be able to perform like that.
No you can go to prison and learn to box in there. By the time you come out, there is no time for an amateur career. So you turn pro. Numerous boxers have done it.
Not sure I completely follow what you're saying violent demise. Why go to prison lol
What I'm saying is you don't necessarly need to have a long, drawn-out amateur career. Fighters that learn to box in prison are just an example. Most of them never even fought amateur. And some enjoyed very good careers.
Such as Bernard Hopkins?Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Great exampleQuote:
Originally Posted by YounGun
Bernard hopkins still wasn't in a league of his own like the fighters that did have long amateur careers...alot people think that his loss to RJJ was because he was green....Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
I say his reign at MW should actually be creditied to RJJ, because after he graduated from the "Lose to RJJ but still be champ" class...he set the MW title defence record...because had RJJ still been at mw, benard would have just been a contender....
So you don't think its possible JonesJrMayweather?
I think its possible..but extremely difficult...with the help of a great trainer it will very possible..but the intangibles that you pick up along the way from all the years in the gym..are hard to make up for...I didn't start boxing until i was 19...and my first time in the gym i got schooled by a 14 year old that had ben doing it since he was 8...so...Quote:
Originally Posted by raleights
Must be a different Bernard Hopkins, because Hopkins had an amateur career and could have made the Olympics before he went to the pen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
I didn't know that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Starr
And here is your cool click for pointing me to that great website :)
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Originally Posted by raleights
the reason it matters or is easily noticable to see the type of people that have boxed since they were 5 is because the punches didnt hurt then ..and they were free to painlessly learn "the game" and it stays like an easy game as they grow older ..when u start late the punches hurt u get cautious and that alone makes a difference ...also if your 30 youve been boxing for 25 yrs instead of 10-12
how old are you means?
21 u?
technically I'm 5 or 4 ;)
aww u poor leap year baby ...i never met anyone who actually had that happen to them :oQuote:
Originally Posted by Starr
what date do you use as ur b-day?
My birthday is Feb 29 84. u?Quote:
Originally Posted by means2184
oct 21st 84....i sent u a pm too,lol ur older than me .. anyway when did u start boxing ?
answered in the PM ;) I'm not that much older then you technically.
as soon as my kid is seven I am throwing him in the ring whether I have a boy or a girl and when he or she grows up they can pursue it as a career if they want to and I will be their manager since by then I will be a practicing lawyer
wanna hear more opinions on this subject pls pls
I think that some of these ''born fighters" should be considered in their am standings as they come up in life...not technically or literally...but figureatively.Quote:
Originally Posted by raleights
If all they do is fight from a young age on...that's pretty much the same as having an am career...just not a defined one.
Bernard Hopkins had an insane am record...something like 94-3 or 95-4 as an amateur...I believe I'm pretty close on that number.
That's when he was called "the Terror" before the Ex.
He also won the National Middleweight Pen title 3 or 4 times.
The Nard weren't no joke.
I see what you're saying but, I wanna hear a definate yes or no from you experts on here hehe. If you got the goods but start late, can it be done? Or at best can you be just a really good fighter?
were u born on a leap yr or sumat ?? ???
Quiet little one :)Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmanhatton
And yes the moon and stars were aligned when I was created, fact
quiet little one ? im not the sad cunt asking if i cn be like rjj without actually fighting lmao
you lose all rights to talk shit when you look like that :lickish:
And if like I said you waited till 20, how many years in the amateurs would you recommend before going pro
Not an expert...but I mean...yeah...I'm sure that it can be done...but I would imagine tha tthe fighter would have quite a few disadvantages depending on who he was matched against throughout his career.Quote:
Originally Posted by raleights
That's just such a wide ass open question.
Depends on the human.
There aint that many real life Rocky's out there.
what about the fact that when you start doing this at the age at 10 or so, by the time you're 30 your body has to be a little worn down from it all
think there could be physical advantages to starting late? maybe give you a little extra longevity
and how fast can u rack up pro fights, obviously you'd wanna get as much pro experience under your belt as soon as possible. would 1 fight a month be pushing things, up until you're doing 8 rounders of course
Possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by raleights
Look at Mesi for example...he started late & IWO...he still has huge issues.
I think that the pedigree is the most important part for a boxer. I honestly do. I think that it all boils down to time logged in at the start...could be wrong...but I could be right too.
Who knows?
Hate sounding like a moron, but I am
what do you mean by pedigree lol
Well think of tarver he looks much younger in the ring that RJJ...because tarver just got to the limelight so he has extra energy...RJJ has been fed quite well for some time now...so his 36 seems older than Tarver's...Quote:
Originally Posted by raleights
If you start at 25 and fight till 36 that's only 11 years...but if you're an exceptional amateur you can turn pro at 18 and fight to 38 that's 20 years of service...if you turn pro at 25-27 you will spend the next three years making a name for yourself..or you can pad your record by beating a bunch of nobodies then talk shit to the champ and get a big payday...like margarito..except don't lose to the nobodies like margarito did and you might get your shot faster...lol ;)
It depends on the division...the bigger fighters tend to mature later such as cruiser weight or hw..and those guys tend to start later anyway because they play football or something else.....the smaller guys seem to start earlier and have a ton more boxing knowledge and ability.. They need it because of the "speed". So i would say if you're a hw with decent athletic ability you got a shot if you start at 20 or so..if you're a middleweight or lighter you're in trouble because the first thing a fighter loses is speed, power is the last. The bigger divisions rarely have excellent boxers (Chris Byrd excluded) so the emphasis is on power then boxing ability. the speed thing is not a good thing to lose when you're starting to finally get your groove around 25-26....You simply haven't had the experience to start dealing with aging process because you're still learning how to become a great fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by raleights