Tough Guys and Gentlemen! (racist Toney) - by Michael Montero

Tough Guys and Gentlemen

What is America’s obsession with tough guy athletes? It seems that for years the typical American boxing fan seems to be drawn to arrogant tough guys who claim to be from “the mean streets” and seem to have a total lack of respect for the sport and anybody other than themselves. Case and point – why is James Toney a more popular American heavyweight than Chris Byrd? Look at their heavyweight records and there is no comparison as to who has done more. Byrd is a true class act, a real good guy in the sport, and deserves more credit than he gets (hopefully he moves down to Cruiserweight and makes some noise there before he retires). James Toney is often blunt as congress is clueless, and the way he turned up badly out of shape for his fight against Hasim Rahman, was an embarrassment to the sport, in my opinion. He’s not shy about giving his comments about any subject, either. After being given a gift draw with Hasim Rahman (in a fight he deserved to lose), at the post fight presser, Toney ranted that “Ya’ll keep trying to make a white champion, but it will never happen”, “Ya’ll keep trying to build up these German and Russian guys, but they can’t fight”, “Ya’ll need to quit that” and so on.

He made sure to mention that as “Afro-Americans”, Rahman and he were “real” fighters. So if I'm to follow Toney's logic, you have to be of that particular demographic to be a “real” heavyweight fighter? Problem is many American fans and boxing media alike seem to agree with that assessment based on their lack of regard and respect for the division’s Eastern European big men. In a recent interview in a popular American Hip Hop magazine, he proudly proclaimed that “Black men are the sh*t, that’s why white men want to be us, and why white women want to f*ck us”. Look, it’s good to be proud and all but this is over the line in my opinion, and comments like this would not be tolerated from any fighter of European extraction. Can somebody say “double standard”? It really makes you wonder...

“Black men are the sh*t, that’s why white men want to be us, and why white women want to f*ck us”"

James Toney is that much a jerk ? :-[ :-X

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Originally Posted by BigMix27

“Black men are the sh*t, that’s why white men want to be us, and why white women want to f*ck us”"

James Toney is that much a jerk ? :-[ :-X

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As a boxing lover I made a promise to never differ between races! May the best man win!

I also do never believe that race has anyting to do with boxing. Then most talented guy will always win; yellow, red, black, white or what ever.

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Originally Posted by Missy

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Sorry, I forget that even I wanted to put in on....

1st Edition of Montero’s Boxing Notebook

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/news.php?p=6815&more=1

Not Eastside! ;D

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Not Eastside! ;D

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Hehe, I did not get the point, what is the problem with ESB?

Calzaghe, Kessler, Hatton, Klitchsko, Liakhovich - All white guys who more than likely will not lose to black fighters (yes I think Mayweather will lose to Hatton), 2 of those guys being heavyweights, 3 of those guys could possibly fight James Toney (that includes Calzaghe if Toney stops eating micky d's). Guess he didn't think that one through?

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Originally Posted by cityboy

Tough Guys and Gentlemen

What is America’s obsession with tough guy athletes? It seems that for years the typical American boxing fan seems to be drawn to arrogant tough guys who claim to be from “the mean streets” and seem to have a total lack of respect for the sport and anybody other than themselves. Case and point – why is James Toney a more popular American heavyweight than Chris Byrd? Look at their heavyweight records and there is no comparison as to who has done more. Byrd is a true class act, a real good guy in the sport, and deserves more credit than he gets (hopefully he moves down to Cruiserweight and makes some noise there before he retires). James Toney is often blunt as congress is clueless, and the way he turned up badly out of shape for his fight against Hasim Rahman, was an embarrassment to the sport, in my opinion. He’s not shy about giving his comments about any subject, either. After being given a gift draw with Hasim Rahman (in a fight he deserved to lose), at the post fight presser, Toney ranted that “Ya’ll keep trying to make a white champion, but it will never happen”, “Ya’ll keep trying to build up these German and Russian guys, but they can’t fight”, “Ya’ll need to quit that” and so on.

He made sure to mention that as “Afro-Americans”, Rahman and he were “real” fighters. So if I'm to follow Toney's logic, you have to be of that particular demographic to be a “real” heavyweight fighter? Problem is many American fans and boxing media alike seem to agree with that assessment based on their lack of regard and respect for the division’s Eastern European big men. In a recent interview in a popular American Hip Hop magazine, he proudly proclaimed that “Black men are the sh*t, that’s why white men want to be us, and why white women want to f*ck us”. Look, it’s good to be proud and all but this is over the line in my opinion, and comments like this would not be tolerated from any fighter of European extraction. Can somebody say “double standard”? It really makes you wonder...

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of course race has nothing to do with boxing. and race also has nothing to do with regards to sports period.

but the fact that james toney holds such an ignorant position that because he is black, there is something inherent in him that makes white men want to be him, and white women want to have sex with him, is ridiculous.

out of pure depraved fetishes some white women only date black men etc. but that has nothing to do with anything good inherent in black men. (Ironically there are black women that do the reverse and never date any black men) but the fact that james toney perpetuate such frivolity in a serious tone is really disheartening to the sport of boxing.

as a popular boxer, he is a representative of his sport. and whether he likes it or not, not coming to a fight in shape, and uttering stupid babble does not represent the sport well.

Toney needs to get a publicist. If he was serious he would have been the WBA and the WBC champion by now, and he would probably be garnering endorsement deals. But stupidity. yikes.

the guy is just mad, whats real and whats swiming in his head are a moutine apart

None of you seem to get it. Toney says these things to create attention and publicity which in turn gives him more cash.

All of you moralising on his smack talk are actually just doing exactly what he wants you to do, TALK ABOUT HIM!!!!

I like Toney cos I realise he's a performer.

Don't waste your time arguing the merits of his smack talk, it's all bullshit I doubt he means half of it. He just wants to be the centre of attention.

And guess what, he succeeds!

And if the shoe was on the other foot and a fighter of another race were to say these things about black athletes, "just to get attention" would it be O.K.????

F*** no........there would be race riots and law suits and more sharpton and jackson than you could shake a stick at!!!

This asshole is creating color lines in boxing. He's causing everyone who reads these boxing presses to look at boxing in black and white. That's really a shame because thats not what it's supposed to be about!

The bottom line is the guy just doesn't seem to like white males....I've said this a thousand times before on this forum and the evidence keeps rolling in.
He keeps saying S*** like this abandoning all of his caucasian fans who bought tickets and videos and spent their time watching his fights and "talking it up about him to their friends."

The largest of betrayals, can't wait til someone retires his fat a**.

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Originally Posted by mucho testosterone

And if the shoe was on the other foot and a fighter of another race were to say these things about black athletes, "just to get attention" would it be O.K.????

F*** no........there would be race riots and law suits and more sharpton and jackson than you could shake a stick at!!!

This asshole is creating color lines in boxing. He's causing everyone who reads these boxing presses to look at boxing in black and white. That's really a shame because thats not what it's supposed to be about!

The bottom line is the guy just doesn't like white males....I've said this a thousand times before on this forum and the evidence keeps rolling in.
He keeps saying S*** like this abandoning all of his caucasian fans who bought tickets and videos and spent their time watching his fights and "talking it up about him to their friends."

The largest of betrayals, can't wait til someone retires his fat a**.

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It's different for a white man to speak down about blacks because of the history of white oppression over blacks. Even though blacks are now seen as equal in terms of the law ( in theory) they are still greatly disadvantaged over white society in all parts of the world.

It's a similar situation to a woman being allowed to say things and even hit a man and it's acceptable whereas a man hits a woman and he better watch out.

So from that perspective it's clearly less acceptable for a white to make racist comments than a black, not saying it's right, it's just the way it is.

Still I don't see the big deal. It takes all different kinds of characters to make boxing interesting and the boxing world would be worse off without him.

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Originally Posted by cityboy

Tough Guys and Gentlemen

What is America’s obsession with tough guy athletes? It seems that for years the typical American boxing fan seems to be drawn to arrogant tough guys who claim to be from “the mean streets” and seem to have a total lack of respect for the sport and anybody other than themselves. Case and point – why is James Toney a more popular American heavyweight than Chris Byrd? Look at their heavyweight records and there is no comparison as to who has done more. Byrd is a true class act, a real good guy in the sport, and deserves more credit than he gets (hopefully he moves down to Cruiserweight and makes some noise there before he retires). James Toney is often blunt as congress is clueless, and the way he turned up badly out of shape for his fight against Hasim Rahman, was an embarrassment to the sport, in my opinion. He’s not shy about giving his comments about any subject, either. After being given a gift draw with Hasim Rahman (in a fight he deserved to lose), at the post fight presser, Toney ranted that “Ya’ll keep trying to make a white champion, but it will never happen”, “Ya’ll keep trying to build up these German and Russian guys, but they can’t fight”, “Ya’ll need to quit that” and so on.

He made sure to mention that as “Afro-Americans”, Rahman and he were “real” fighters. So if I'm to follow Toney's logic, you have to be of that particular demographic to be a “real” heavyweight fighter? Problem is many American fans and boxing media alike seem to agree with that assessment based on their lack of regard and respect for the division’s Eastern European big men. In a recent interview in a popular American Hip Hop magazine, he proudly proclaimed that “Black men are the sh*t, that’s why white men want to be us, and why white women want to f*ck us”. Look, it’s good to be proud and all but this is over the line in my opinion, and comments like this would not be tolerated from any fighter of European extraction. Can somebody say “double standard”? It really makes you wonder...

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I would love to see Mark McGuire hit him in the head with a homerun slugging swing. Hell I would pay to see it. Fook James Toney.

I love the way this writer takes 75 percent of everything out of context ;D

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Originally Posted by mucho testosterone

And if the shoe was on the other foot and a fighter of another race were to say these things about black athletes, "just to get attention" would it be O.K.????

F*** no........there would be race riots and law suits and more sharpton and jackson than you could shake a stick at!!!

This asshole is creating color lines in boxing. He's causing everyone who reads these boxing presses to look at boxing in black and white. That's really a shame because thats not what it's supposed to be about!

The bottom line is the guy just doesn't like white males....I've said this a thousand times before on this forum and the evidence keeps rolling in.
He keeps saying S*** like this abandoning all of his caucasian fans who bought tickets and videos and spent their time watching his fights and "talking it up about him to their friends."

The largest of betrayals, can't wait til someone retires his fat a**.

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It's different for a white man to speak down about blacks because of the history of white oppression over blacks. Even though blacks are now seen as equal in terms of the law ( in theory) they are still greatly disadvantaged over white society in all parts of the world.

It's a similar situation to a woman being allowed to say things and even hit a man and it's acceptable whereas a man hits a woman and he better watch out.

So from that perspective it's clearly less acceptable for a white to make racist comments than a black, not saying it's right, it's just the way it is.

Still I don't see the big deal. It takes all different kinds of characters to make boxing interesting and the boxing world would be worse off without him.

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That is the craziest thing that I have ever heard!!


So essentially you're saying that the way we correct inequality and racism in the past is with more inequality and racism????

So your basically advocating more inequality by saying that blacks have a right to treat whites differently becasue of slavery hundreds of years ago?????
In other words you suggesting that two wrongs make a right.

This backward thinking is what started slavery in the first place!!!!

Glad to see that we are making progress >:mad :puke:

:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:

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Originally Posted by bilbo

None of you seem to get it. Toney says these things to create attention and publicity which in turn gives him more cash.

All of you moralising on his smack talk are actually just doing exactly what he wants you to do, TALK ABOUT HIM!!!!

I like Toney cos I realise he's a performer.

Don't waste your time arguing the merits of his smack talk, it's all bullshit I doubt he means half of it. He just wants to be the centre of attention.

And guess what, he succeeds!

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thats a idiotic response

So if Vlad came out and said

"fuck these black bastards, they cant beat a real man, cuz they are monkeys"

he is doing it for attention?!


Simple fact is it isnt needed in sport and it isnt needed in life.....

Anyone found talking racism should be shot, no matter who you are......

Personally I think he's a racist, but this is all a smoke screen




























to keep everyone from talking about how ugly and fat he is

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA!! ;D

Clickety Cool!

I will be honest, I am white and I am not very good at boxing, but it is my favorite sports in North America.

My favorite sports should be domitated by blacks if I understand this forum right - I have to say that like 95% of my black friends (even I would never tell a friend to be red, green, white or blacm)

Maybe James is phrasing it wrong. There was a topic called Lions vs tiger, and most people favored the lion because of his environment which made him much more aggressive i sorta hate using that for an example but perhaps this is the reason blacks kick the most ass in most type of fighting. Could it be we are sometimes raised in very poor conditions and have to struggle most days to make the ends meet is whats giving us the edge in combat ?

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Maybe James is phrasing it wrong. There was a topic called Lions vs tiger, and most people favored the lion because of his environment which made him much more aggressive i sorta hate using that for an example but perhaps this is the reason blacks kick the most a** in most type of fighting. Could it be we are sometimes raised in very poor conditions and have to struggle most days to make the ends meet is whats giving us the edge in combat ?

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I see what you're saying, but thats changing. People are nowhere near as tough as they used to be. Things were harder on people in the old days, if you weren't tough you didn't survive. Poverty was something I'd say 80 or 90% of the great boxers from the old days overcame and it probably played a huge role in how they were driven. People are still driven by poverty but they're not as tough. These are easier times physically, and it shows in the fighters. The playing field is starting to level though, look at the heavyweight division or SMW, even Jr. WW is ruled by Cotto and Hatton (neither black), hell look at 125lbs to 135lbs, no dominant black champions.

And in the truest form of fighting (mma) black men don't do very well.
Not trying to be racist it's just how things are at the moment.

Glad you understood what i meant, and yes you're abslolutely right the black fighter from the past is so much tougher than our present black fighters, the white fighters of the past was just as tough as the black fighters because they also was fighting in much harder times, which i think some how supports the idea that you're a product of your invironment.

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Originally Posted by BigMix27

“Black men are the sh*t, that’s why white men want to be us, and why white women want to f*ck us”"

James Toney is that much a jerk ? :-[ :-X

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all white men arent confused like eminem or vanilla ice--some white women r attracted 2 money, and wil f*** whoever has it--even u toney---hugh hefeners got 3 gf's --g what could it b--hugh hefeners personality or his ravishing good looks at 70 --lol

Having the advantage none of you have of meeting James Toney ;) I can safely say he isn't a racist.. he is just CRAZY!!!!

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Originally Posted by cityboy

Tough Guys and Gentlemen

What is America’s obsession with tough guy athletes? It seems that for years the typical American boxing fan seems to be drawn to arrogant tough guys who claim to be from “the mean streets” and seem to have a total lack of respect for the sport and anybody other than themselves. Case and point – why is James Toney a more popular American heavyweight than Chris Byrd? Look at their heavyweight records and there is no comparison as to who has done more. Byrd is a true class act, a real good guy in the sport, and deserves more credit than he gets (hopefully he moves down to Cruiserweight and makes some noise there before he retires). James Toney is often blunt as congress is clueless, and the way he turned up badly out of shape for his fight against Hasim Rahman, was an embarrassment to the sport, in my opinion. He’s not shy about giving his comments about any subject, either. After being given a gift draw with Hasim Rahman (in a fight he deserved to lose), at the post fight presser, Toney ranted that “Ya’ll keep trying to make a white champion, but it will never happen”, “Ya’ll keep trying to build up these German and Russian guys, but they can’t fight”, “Ya’ll need to quit that” and so on.

He made sure to mention that as “Afro-Americans”, Rahman and he were “real” fighters. So if I'm to follow Toney's logic, you have to be of that particular demographic to be a “real” heavyweight fighter? Problem is many American fans and boxing media alike seem to agree with that assessment based on their lack of regard and respect for the division’s Eastern European big men. In a recent interview in a popular American Hip Hop magazine, he proudly proclaimed that “Black men are the sh*t, that’s why white men want to be us, and why white women want to f*ck us”. Look, it’s good to be proud and all but this is over the line in my opinion, and comments like this would not be tolerated from any fighter of European extraction. Can somebody say “double standard”? It really makes you wonder...

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What about Ali's "Devil" comment?.on the same premise....It's all talk,,,leave it at that....

man, toney is a fat piece of shit, he's always talked bollocks, ever since he used to slate eubank and benn. he's a disgrace to boxin

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Originally Posted by Starr

Having the advantage none of you have of meeting James Toney ;) I can safely say he isn't a racist.. he is just CRAZY!!!!

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Good, then call him up and tell him to stop talking sh*t before he loses half of his fans.

Ali said worse ;)

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Ali said worse ;)

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Yeah, and the list goes on and on. Doesn't make anyone think any better of Toney though!.

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Originally Posted by mucho testosterone

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Originally Posted by mucho testosterone

And if the shoe was on the other foot and a fighter of another race were to say these things about black athletes, "just to get attention" would it be O.K.????

F*** no........there would be race riots and law suits and more sharpton and jackson than you could shake a stick at!!!

This asshole is creating color lines in boxing. He's causing everyone who reads these boxing presses to look at boxing in black and white. That's really a shame because thats not what it's supposed to be about!

The bottom line is the guy just doesn't like white males....I've said this a thousand times before on this forum and the evidence keeps rolling in.
He keeps saying S*** like this abandoning all of his caucasian fans who bought tickets and videos and spent their time watching his fights and "talking it up about him to their friends."

The largest of betrayals, can't wait til someone retires his fat a**.

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It's different for a white man to speak down about blacks because of the history of white oppression over blacks. Even though blacks are now seen as equal in terms of the law ( in theory) they are still greatly disadvantaged over white society in all parts of the world.

It's a similar situation to a woman being allowed to say things and even hit a man and it's acceptable whereas a man hits a woman and he better watch out.

So from that perspective it's clearly less acceptable for a white to make racist comments than a black, not saying it's right, it's just the way it is.

Still I don't see the big deal. It takes all different kinds of characters to make boxing interesting and the boxing world would be worse off without him.

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That is the craziest thing that I have ever heard!!


So essentially you're saying that the way we correct inequality and racism in the past is with more inequality and racism????

So your basically advocating more inequality by saying that blacks have a right to treat whites differently becasue of slavery hundreds of years ago?????
In other words you suggesting that two wrongs make a right.

This backward thinking is what started slavery in the first place!!!!

Glad to see that we are making progress >:mad :puke:

:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:

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Why are you getting so worked up about this? Do you actually know what true racism is? Real racism is the subjugation and oppression of or discrimination against one ethnic group by another. As white's have historically subjugated blacks for the past 500 or so years then REAL racism was carried out at the hands of white men.

Consider the facts, enforced slavery, branding of their slaves and the slave becoming a piece of property rather than an individual. The complete taking away of human rights. Moving on to the present, even within the life times of many on this board, official, government authorised racism was practised in many areas of the world. Blacks even into the 1960's were segregated as they were in South Africa before Nelson Mandela.

It's not just blacks as well, the Jews have historically been a targeted race and the holocaust was an example of racism and genocide at it's very very worst.

Around the world their continues to exist real racism to this day.

To class James Toney saying a white man will not be heavyweight champion as being racism along the lines of the above is just absurd. It IS different for a black man to make comments about a white man rather than vice versa for the reasons I outlined in my previous post.

African Americans are not in a position to subjugate white Americans. The American economy, judicary, schools system, government, armed forces etc are all white led institutions.

James Toney saying white men don't have what it takes to be a heavyweight champion is as racist as someone saying Joe Calzaghe comes from a land of sheep shaggers.

If you think the latter is true racism rather than tongue in cheek banter against another nation than I feel sorry for you.

Real racism does exist and makes millions of people's lives a misery. I don't think it should be trivialised by bringing race into every argument.

All Toney said is no white will be heavyweight champ, Well guess what no black will ever be US President. OOhhh big racist I am.. ::**

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Originally Posted by BigMix27

“Black men are the sh*t, that’s why white men want to be us, and why white women want to f*ck us”"

James Toney is that much a jerk ? :-[ :-X

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Believe me i dont want to be you.

why would I. your probably from a slum

Good example that woman who slapped the cop the politician because he woudldnt let her pass became racial why is that? She broke the rules which were to be identified hes basically a cop making 40k or so a year and he really doesn not give a s h i t hes just following and doing his job and he blocked her from entering so she slaps him? Unbelivable, thats not a racial issue his job is to not grant access to someone without an id. People love to fedd the s h i t though your right its not a total racist statement but you know it was said out of a bit of anger and arrogance by toney and he has to know its gonna get a reaction.

Im black so is it racial for me to say that amercican blacks might be genetically athleticallysuperior because of selective breeding from slavery? That might be true and its not racial at all

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Originally Posted by Jonesfan

Im black so is it racial for me to say that amercican blacks might be genetically athleticallysuperior because of selective breeding from slavery? That might be true and its not racial at all

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I'm white, throw faster, and hit harder than you

NEENER NEENER

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Im black so is it racial for me to say that amercican blacks might be genetically athleticallysuperior because of selective breeding from slavery? That might be true and its not racial at all

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I don't think that is racist at all,in fact it could be true and it would also explain why me and my black friends train,same everything yet they grow stronger than me aaaaand,their muscles more defined/bigger than mine!!!!! >:mad >:mad ;D

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Originally Posted by mucho testosterone

And if the shoe was on the other foot and a fighter of another race were to say these things about black athletes, "just to get attention" would it be O.K.????

F*** no........there would be race riots and law suits and more sharpton and jackson than you could shake a stick at!!!

This asshole is creating color lines in boxing. He's causing everyone who reads these boxing presses to look at boxing in black and white. That's really a shame because thats not what it's supposed to be about!

The bottom line is the guy just doesn't like white males....I've said this a thousand times before on this forum and the evidence keeps rolling in.
He keeps saying S*** like this abandoning all of his caucasian fans who bought tickets and videos and spent their time watching his fights and "talking it up about him to their friends."

The largest of betrayals, can't wait til someone retires his fat a**.

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It's different for a white man to speak down about blacks because of the history of white oppression over blacks. Even though blacks are now seen as equal in terms of the law ( in theory) they are still greatly disadvantaged over white society in all parts of the world.

It's a similar situation to a woman being allowed to say things and even hit a man and it's acceptable whereas a man hits a woman and he better watch out.

So from that perspective it's clearly less acceptable for a white to make racist comments than a black, not saying it's right, it's just the way it is.

Still I don't see the big deal. It takes all different kinds of characters to make boxing interesting and the boxing world would be worse off without him.

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That is the craziest thing that I have ever heard!!


So essentially you're saying that the way we correct inequality and racism in the past is with more inequality and racism????

So your basically advocating more inequality by saying that blacks have a right to treat whites differently becasue of slavery hundreds of years ago?????
In other words you suggesting that two wrongs make a right.

This backward thinking is what started slavery in the first place!!!!

Glad to see that we are making progress >:mad :puke:

:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:

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Why are you getting so worked up about this? Do you actually know what true racism is? Real racism is the subjugation and oppression of or discrimination against one ethnic group by another. As white's have historically subjugated blacks for the past 500 or so years then REAL racism was carried out at the hands of white men.

Consider the facts, enforced slavery, branding of their slaves and the slave becoming a piece of property rather than an individual. The complete taking away of human rights. Moving on to the present, even within the life times of many on this board, official, government authorised racism was practised in many areas of the world. Blacks even into the 1960's were segregated as they were in South Africa before Nelson Mandela.

It's not just blacks as well, the Jews have historically been a targeted race and the holocaust was an example of racism and genocide at it's very very worst.

Around the world their continues to exist real racism to this day.

To class James Toney saying a white man will not be heavyweight champion as being racism along the lines of the above is just absurd. It IS different for a black man to make comments about a white man rather than vice versa for the reasons I outlined in my previous post.

African Americans are not in a position to subjugate white Americans. The American economy, judicary, schools system, government, armed forces etc are all white led institutions.

James Toney saying white men don't have what it takes to be a heavyweight champion is as racist as someone saying Joe Calzaghe comes from a land of sheep shaggers.

If you think the latter is true racism rather than tongue in cheek banter against another nation than I feel sorry for you.

Real racism does exist and makes millions of people's lives a misery. I don't think it should be trivialised by bringing race into every argument.

All Toney said is no white will be heavyweight champ, Well guess what no black will ever be US President. OOhhh big racist I am.. ::**

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CC bILBO,I agree with most of what you say bro!

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Originally Posted by mucho testosterone

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Originally Posted by bilbo

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Originally Posted by mucho testosterone

And if the shoe was on the other foot and a fighter of another race were to say these things about black athletes, "just to get attention" would it be O.K.????

F*** no........there would be race riots and law suits and more sharpton and jackson than you could shake a stick at!!!

This asshole is creating color lines in boxing. He's causing everyone who reads these boxing presses to look at boxing in black and white. That's really a shame because thats not what it's supposed to be about!

The bottom line is the guy just doesn't like white males....I've said this a thousand times before on this forum and the evidence keeps rolling in.
He keeps saying S*** like this abandoning all of his caucasian fans who bought tickets and videos and spent their time watching his fights and "talking it up about him to their friends."

The largest of betrayals, can't wait til someone retires his fat a**.

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It's different for a white man to speak down about blacks because of the history of white oppression over blacks. Even though blacks are now seen as equal in terms of the law ( in theory) they are still greatly disadvantaged over white society in all parts of the world.

It's a similar situation to a woman being allowed to say things and even hit a man and it's acceptable whereas a man hits a woman and he better watch out.

So from that perspective it's clearly less acceptable for a white to make racist comments than a black, not saying it's right, it's just the way it is.

Still I don't see the big deal. It takes all different kinds of characters to make boxing interesting and the boxing world would be worse off without him.

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That is the craziest thing that I have ever heard!!


So essentially you're saying that the way we correct inequality and racism in the past is with more inequality and racism????

So your basically advocating more inequality by saying that blacks have a right to treat whites differently becasue of slavery hundreds of years ago?????
In other words you suggesting that two wrongs make a right.

This backward thinking is what started slavery in the first place!!!!

Glad to see that we are making progress >:mad :puke:

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Why are you getting so worked up about this? Do you actually know what true racism is? Real racism is the subjugation and oppression of or discrimination against one ethnic group by another. As white's have historically subjugated blacks for the past 500 or so years then REAL racism was carried out at the hands of white men.

Consider the facts, enforced slavery, branding of their slaves and the slave becoming a piece of property rather than an individual. The complete taking away of human rights. Moving on to the present, even within the life times of many on this board, official, government authorised racism was practised in many areas of the world. Blacks even into the 1960's were segregated as they were in South Africa before Nelson Mandela.

It's not just blacks as well, the Jews have historically been a targeted race and the holocaust was an example of racism and genocide at it's very very worst.

Around the world their continues to exist real racism to this day.

To class James Toney saying a white man will not be heavyweight champion as being racism along the lines of the above is just absurd. It IS different for a black man to make comments about a white man rather than vice versa for the reasons I outlined in my previous post.

African Americans are not in a position to subjugate white Americans. The American economy, judicary, schools system, government, armed forces etc are all white led institutions.

James Toney saying white men don't have what it takes to be a heavyweight champion is as racist as someone saying Joe Calzaghe comes from a land of sheep shaggers.

If you think the latter is true racism rather than tongue in cheek banter against another nation than I feel sorry for you.

Real racism does exist and makes millions of people's lives a misery. I don't think it should be trivialised by bringing race into every argument.

All Toney said is no white will be heavyweight champ, Well guess what no black will ever be US President. OOhhh big racist I am.. ::**

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It's plain wrong........any twist you put on it. Who are you to tell me what racism is.........is your name Webster??? did you write a dictionary???

I told you what racism is......it is simply treating someone differently than you treat others due to their ethnic background.

To assume that reverse racism is OK because of the way one group was once treated is ridiculous and promotes more (guess what....yep racism).

I never treated anybody poorly becasue of their color so now you're suggesting that I not get worked up over Toneys commetns???

Who the fuck do you think you are???

:coolclick: to too Game

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Originally Posted by bilbo

:coolclick: to too Game

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Thats why they call me Mucho testosterone

Wheres the click then?? I didn't get it yet,

and feel free to recycle the Webster one!


Do yourself a huuuuuge favor... get a history book and read it. To assume that blacks and jews are the only group to be discrimnated against is extremely narrow minded. Next time James Toney says some f*cked up S***, I'll be sure to come to you for a justification!