Im going with royce I just hope hes not too old baby!
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Im going with royce I just hope hes not too old baby!
Not for nothing but if frank trigg almost got a rear naked choke on Hughes twice in two separate fights, theres some obvious holes there and even though i am not a gracie fan, I know hes forgotten more submission holds than a guy like trigg could ever learn. That and taking into account that gracie has fought and beaten heavyweights (before the weight class structure was set up) shows he knows how to nullify any strength advantage in favor of hughes.
Don't forget Gracie liked to fight a slow and almost boring pace, taking his sweet time. If he comes in with the same game plan he'll be forced to stand up again, and again, and again, and again. Which it's a great ruling, makes the fights more exciting, just it's not a great thing for Gracie. I personally think Royce deserves to be pounded for not being a true mixed martial artist and learning how to strike - great at jujitsu but he's about as 1 dimensional as Jeff Lacey.
I think Hughes will take it only because of the round system.
But I sure hope Gracie chokes his ass out.
Don't like Hughes but I actually find Royce more irritating. Hope Matt wins (hard for me to say that) and I think he will.
I think that a lot of MMA fighters are figuring out how to counter Brazilian JJ.
CC to both raleights and Young gun. I forgot about the stand up rule and didnt really take into account the rounds. Thinking back, i think there was a stalemate with gracie and a lot of his opponents to the point where some of the fighters made mistakes just to break the monotony of the gracie gaurd and falling asleep on top of another guy in the missionary position.. :-X
Gracie did like that missionary position....That always had me wondering
How big is Gracie? He has fought HW's before but UFC was alot different then, what are the rules now regarding weighing in.. Will they both have to make weight at 170 or w/e Hughes fights at?
I think it may be a catch weight, Gracie is like 6'1 and weighs 180-190, he's bigger than Hughes obviously with him being 5'9 170. Royce really needs to lose this fight, since he quit competing in UFC before mma evolved. People still believe you can take Gracie Jujitsu and still defeat any opponent anywhere anytime. Jujitsu isn't the only tool and if you study Pride Fighting, it's clearly not the most dominant. The people who seem to be ruling mixed martial arts at the moment are strikers with great takedown defenses like Vanderlei Silva, Quinton Jackson, Chuck Liddell, Tim Sylvia, Mirko Crocop, Fedor Emalienko (of course Fedor is a fuckin submission magician but still, he prefers striking). Theres a reason Bas Rutten and Frank Shamrock challenged Rickson Gracie and never got a reply. Rickson knows his 400-0 record wouldn't stay intact - probably why he never fought Kazushi Sakuraba either :)
Oh yeah and if Gracie was really confident, he woulda challenged Chucky Liddell :)
Hughes is a tough f**ker. Gracie is a master, but I think Hughes has too much energy and will at this point in time. Chuck Lidell would probably kill Gracie in the ring.
Gracie was never the same after the second Shamrock fight. He didn't fight for 5 years and has only gotten a submission against Aki Bono(Sumo Wrestler) who's lost everytime out. Royce isn't the same Gracie of the past. This is set up to be another Shamrock Ortiz. I am pulling for Gracie despite that.
I met Gracie a year ago at king of the cage in Edmonton. So Im a gracie fan, I put 50$ on him. I hate when people count someone out because of age. He's a champion at heart. I would call him a under dog in this one though, my cash is still on him out of respect.
Shamrock should have got a win for that fight. I loved seeing Shamrock headbutt him to the face. Classic moment! Gracie beat The big a** wrestler, {can't remember his name}, after the second Shamrock fight. That dude was tough.Quote:
Originally Posted by P.G.H Angel Eyes
gracie with the old rules - kills lidell and matt, and pretty much anyone else out there. with the new ones i dunno
You're comparing the people he faced back then to the people he could face now, it's different....Quote:
Originally Posted by oakleyno1
Yes the old rules would aid Royce in winning the fight, back then there wasn't mixed martial artists yet but abunch of martial artists competing in a mixed martial art fight. Now it's a different playing field and everyone knows all the tricks. Some people just happen to be better like Liddell or Couture. Theres a reason Gracie's aren't that successful in mma anymore and it's simple - no striker had a takedown defens back then and you rarely seen a striker that also had a grappling background. Now every striker has a takedown defense and in most cases have a grappling game of their own. True mixed martial artists and Gracie is the one who never learned how to do anything besides hugging other people. Don't get me wrong I like jujitsu and think it's totally necessary, but lazy narrow minded people need to be :jabbing: :badass: :bananasex:
I give a few credit, theres about 3 or 4 of em competing in pride right now and aren't losing every fight
They still lose to the elite though O0