Cotto vs. Judah

I think this fight should happen.......zab needs a big name victory to resurrect his career and cotto is a big jr. welterweight and can get bigger fights at welter. only thing that would stop this fight would be if cotto wanted to dominate jr' welter but there is not much talent there now since some top name departures ( PBF, Hatton).

Who do you think would win:

cotto has the ability to school judah for 12 rounds but his chin aint great and judah knocked PBF who has a ''great'' defense so it would be close.

I don't think cotto is strong enough defensively and judah would win by TKO in the 11th

Cotto wins via KO....Judah ever been nailed to the body? Well in this fight he would be and it will floor him

I don't think Judah has the heart to go up against Cotto, he has made people quit by hitting them with bombs, he made branco quit, look at his face he was hurting even though he was blocking alot of shots with his shoulders, and quit, I don't think he would make it to the later rounds taking that kind of punishment, and like Lyle said his body shots are a big wepon and Judah will quit before the 8th.

No offense but Zab would knock him out.

No offence but Zab would get knocked out.

Judah got Cotto. Cotto never faced someone with Judah's foot speed and movement. Cotto's used having fighters in front of him to land those body-head combos and his reach is too small to be able to reach Judah on the outside. It's too bad that Castillo will get to Cotto first.

...Zab tends to be lazy and not punch a whole lot...ask Corey Spinks

Zab would beat Cotto. I'm not going to go over Cotto's weaknesses I have a thousand time, but those weaknesses are more dangerous then Zab's supposed glass chin

What Cotto's supposed "glass chin" takes more to knock him down than what it takes to knock down Zab...I mean Carlos Baldomir made him have to steady himself till his legs came back.

Cotto has heart, that's enough for me to back him. Zab is a bum

Zab isn't a bum. Ross Purrity is a bum ;D

Would be a great matchup. I'd love to see this fight for sure.

i desrve a CC **hint, hint**

Kostya Tzsyu taught Judah to do the polka.
Cotto would teach him how to do the "salsa."

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

Kostya Tzsyu taught Judah to do the polka.
Cotto would teach him how to do the "salsa."

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HAHA :coolclick: i like it.

Zab has much faster feet and hands and has the ability to hurt Cotto with every hard shot he throws.

Cotto wouldn't be able to set anything up and he would be stopped early. Probably in the first round.

To be honest they both have suspect chins and cotto has shown it to lesser opponents(torres,corley)than judah(tszyu,baldimor). This would be a good fight for judah. Don't get me wrong cotto is a good young fighter but the only reason you could think he can would beat judah is because his chin. If judahs chin wasn't so suspect I would say this is a definite win for him. Cotto is too slow,hes too green, and his chin might be as bad as judahs. If torres could hit him like that judah will too if he can get focused.Keep in mind that I hate Judah and I'm saying this.This is a 50-50 fight

an in shape judah wins this fight all day.i think this would be a great fight for judah to comeback to,he should forget floyd because floyds got his number

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Originally Posted by MRMANICK

To be honest they both have suspect chins and cotto has shown it to lesser opponents(torres,corley)than judah(tszyu,baldimor). This would be a good fight for judah. Don't get me wrong cotto is a good young fighter but the only reason you could think he can would beat judah is because his chin. If judahs chin wasn't so suspect I would say this is a definite win for him. Cotto is too slow,hes too green, and his chin might be as bad as judahs. If torres could hit him like that judah will too if he can get focused.Keep in mind that I hate Judah and I'm saying this.This is a 50-50 fight

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Torres is without question a VERY hard puncher, especially compared to Baldomir.

and Zab is faster and has more dimentions :)

JUDAH KO 3 ;) ;)

Cotto via ko tko late maybe.If Mayweather can have Zab running from his body shots,Cotto will crack his ribs and Cotto's chin is not weak,don't you people pay attention?!!?!Jeeeeez,he took 20 plus clean in round 2 from Torres,a guy with 26 kos in 28 fights,he wa not knocked down,watch it again,he was pushed AAAAND at the end of the round,he was coming back with the better shots. Corley hit him on the TEMPLE NOT CHIN and if you are using that to judge,Corley also wobbled Mayweather,does Mayweather have a bad chin?

defenetly and intriguing fight, Zab would win the first few rounds but after a few of those body shots from Cotto he would slow down tremendoulsy. having said that he does have a very hard punch but Cotto has also shown heart when cought. I think Cotto TKO in the 10th.

both these fighters have been to lazy in the past for my liking and would both have to crank it up a notch. but this fight would have potential to be awesome. my money would be on cotto.

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Cotto via ko tko late maybe.If Mayweather can have Zab running from his body shots,Cotto will crack his ribs and Cotto's chin is not weak,don't you people pay attention?!!?!Jeeeeez,he took 20 plus clean in round 2 from Torres,a guy with 26 kos in 28 fights,he wa not knocked down,watch it again,he was pushed AAAAND at the end of the round,he was coming back with the better shots. Corley hit him on the TEMPLE NOT CHIN and if you are using that to judge,Corley also wobbled Mayweather,does Mayweather have a bad chin?

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Corley had cotto out on his feet. He stunned mayweather. It a big difference. So what torres had 26 knockouts. Against who? Cotto shouldn't have been rocked by this guy and when he does all of a sudden torres is a world beater.Please torres is a nobody.Torres isn't better than we thought ,cotto is worst than we thought.

Agaain...in the Corley fight,Cotto's D was good but Corley caught him on the TEMPLE.Yeah,I agree,Miguel's defence was bad against Torres and he should not have been caught but I was not addressing that, I was stating that Cotto does not have a weak chin,he took 20 clean from a guy with KO power,it is irrelevant who Torres koed,point being Cotto took his shots and came back with better at the end of the round,showing his chin is not bad. You took things out of context........

If Zab came in focused Cotto doesn't stand a chance... he would be overwhelmed with speed and superior power. Cotto's chin didn't stand up to Corley's assault better as well as Judah's, and I think Judah would knock Cotto out.

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Cotto via ko tko late maybe.If Mayweather can have Zab running from his body shots,Cotto will crack his ribs and Cotto's chin is not weak,don't you people pay attention?!!?!Jeeeeez,he took 20 plus clean in round 2 from Torres,a guy with 26 kos in 28 fights,he wa not knocked down,watch it again,he was pushed AAAAND at the end of the round,he was coming back with the better shots. Corley hit him on the TEMPLE NOT CHIN and if you are using that to judge,Corley also wobbled Mayweather,does Mayweather have a bad chin?

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1 - he didnt go down cuz torres has NO idea how to persue someone who is hurt

2 - yes, mayweather has a bad chin ;)

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Originally Posted by The Game

Cotto via ko tko late maybe.If Mayweather can have Zab running from his body shots,Cotto will crack his ribs and Cotto's chin is not weak,don't you people pay attention?!!?!Jeeeeez,he took 20 plus clean in round 2 from Torres,a guy with 26 kos in 28 fights,he wa not knocked down,watch it again,he was pushed AAAAND at the end of the round,he was coming back with the better shots. Corley hit him on the TEMPLE NOT CHIN and if you are using that to judge,Corley also wobbled Mayweather,does Mayweather have a bad chin?

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1 - he didnt go down cuz torres has NO idea how to persue someone who is hurt

2 - yes, mayweather has a bad chin ;)

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If Mayweather has a bad chin Sal, then you're admitting that Zab has a garbage chin, because Floyd's is better than Zab's.

Floyd could see Zab's shots coming because Zab is a straight shot so Mayweather can take that shot better then a shot that loops over that he doesn't see.

Zab would probably win.. What I saw from Cotto against Torres was very concerning for a fighter, imo.. He showed bad defensive instincts and quite frankly anyone using the Torres fight to say anything positive about Cotto needs to watch it again.. Torres had 1 plan, to weave inside and unload hooks... Sometimes Cotto would just lay against the ropes, then spread his hands apart and let Torres do this.. And then it's supposed to be impressive that he can survive just because Torres didn't see what he needed to do? I don't think so... Cotto's chin is definetly a question mark still for me and theres no way anyone can say with any conviction that it's better than Judahs, just no way.. it's possible.. But Cotto has been badly hurt now twice, in both fights he could have been stopped, easily. In the Torres fight the ref could have waved it off at a couple points and it wouldn't have been contraversial. Corley may have hit Cotto with a temple shot but so what?? He hit him with a telegraphed right hook that he put all of his weight in to.. You should be more worried that Cotto can be hit with such punches than where they hit him and whether or not it means his chin is bad..

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Originally Posted by Sugar_Shaw

I think this fight should happen.......zab needs a big name victory to resurrect his career and cotto is a big jr. welterweight and can get bigger fights at welter. only thing that would stop this fight would be if cotto wanted to dominate jr' welter but there is not much talent there now since some top name departures ( PBF, Hatton).

Who do you think would win:

cotto has the ability to school judah for 12 rounds but his chin aint great and judah knocked PBF who has a ''great'' defense so it would be close.

I don't think cotto is strong enough defensively and judah would win by TKO in the 11th

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once Zab tasted that power an pressure he would break down and lose it mentally.....He needs to get his head straight....PBF broke him down....

Cotto is more consistant, and if the fight went the distance, Cotto would break him to the body. However, Zab has the pop to hurt him like Corley and Torres did, and has the hand speed to do it early. Plus Zab has the foot speed to stay away for awhile. Zab can also close if he got Cotto in trouble. The way I see it is this, If Cotto gets in trouble in the first six, Zab would pull it out, maybe with a KO. If Cotto gets past six, and has already landed to the body, Cotto wins on late stoppage. The fight could go either way, but I would pick Zab to win 6 out of 10 times. Simply because he has the physical gifts to beat Cotto, and he has fought the bigger men, and better comp. If it was 18 months to 2 years from now, I would say Cotto wins 7 of 10.

I doubt it. Both Cotto and Judah are known for fading late. the difference is Cotto has a glass body

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Originally Posted by Starr

I doubt it. Both Cotto and Judah are known for fading late. the difference is Cotto has a glass body

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I agree. But Zab wouldn't go to the body enough if they fought. We both know that. If he did, Zab would stop him 4 sure. But, against a pocket fighter like Cotto, who like to counter, Zab would stay to the outside, and try to use his speed to rock him with the left. Since Ward-Judah, Zab has been very concience about body punchers. Also, Zab fades worse than Cotto, mostly because of age I'd say. Like I said, I'd pick Zab to win, even with the recent losses, but Cotto has a chance too, simply because he does go to the body, and Zab has a glass body too. Starr, you said Floyd doesn't have power, and he hurt Zab to the body. 60-40 for Zab. Next year, 60-40 for Cotto.

I guess it could go either way, if it goes past 5 or 6 I'd probably favor Cotto cause I think Judah fades worse than Cotto does, outside of maybe the N'dou fight I haven't noticed that being a real problem.

But I don't for a second doubt that Judah could hurt Cotto early with a left hand that he didn't see and although Cotto has eventually recovered when he's been hurt his habits when he gets hurt are still a bit questionable to me. Maybe I'd slightly lean towards Judah ??? I don't know, I'd need to see Cotto at 147 cause I've always felt that he'll be a bit better at 147, I think his legs will be stronger when he's not having to cut so much weight.

Its an interesting fight cause I don't rule out either guy winning and it would probably be by stoppage.

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I doubt it. Both Cotto and Judah are known for fading late. the difference is Cotto has a glass body

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I agree. But Zab wouldn't go to the body enough if they fought. We both know that. If he did, Zab would stop him 4 sure. But, against a pocket fighter like Cotto, who like to counter, Zab would stay to the outside, and try to use his speed to rock him with the left. Since Ward-Judah, Zab has been very concience about body punchers. Also, Zab fades worse than Cotto, mostly because of age I'd say. Like I said, I'd pick Zab to win, even with the recent losses, but Cotto has a chance too, simply because he does go to the body, and Zab has a glass body too. Starr, you said Floyd doesn't have power, and he hurt Zab to the body. 60-40 for Zab. Next year, 60-40 for Cotto.

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Only 60-40 for Cotto next year if Zab isn't consistant next year, who knows, he may string off something. And Zab went to the body pretty well against Mayweather but stopped. I think Zab has a good straight left to the body if he uses it. And I think That Zab could catch Cotto in between shots with his speed. We'll have to see how Cotto looks in his next fight to see if those problems are fixed, then we can say.

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Originally Posted by Starr

I doubt it. Both Cotto and Judah are known for fading late. the difference is Cotto has a glass body

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I agree. But Zab wouldn't go to the body enough if they fought. We both know that. If he did, Zab would stop him 4 sure. But, against a pocket fighter like Cotto, who like to counter, Zab would stay to the outside, and try to use his speed to rock him with the left. Since Ward-Judah, Zab has been very concience about body punchers. Also, Zab fades worse than Cotto, mostly because of age I'd say. Like I said, I'd pick Zab to win, even with the recent losses, but Cotto has a chance too, simply because he does go to the body, and Zab has a glass body too. Starr, you said Floyd doesn't have power, and he hurt Zab to the body. 60-40 for Zab. Next year, 60-40 for Cotto.

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i'll agree with that...and if they are going to fight it looks like next year doesn't it?

Even though it would be an intriguing fight,I don't want to Cotto to fight Zab. After he fights Castillo as his last match@140,I want him to come up and beat someone who will eanr him respect and beating Zab will not do that. I'd looooove to see Miguel against Margarito!!!! Mexico v Puerto Rico! Arum's stablemates!! My 2 faves! There's also Hatton,Baldmoir if he beats Gatti and of course Floyd in ayear or so.

Cottos in for a rough year if your hopes come true the game. .. IMO Castillo and Margarito are both the kind of fighters that Cotto should want nothing to do with.. They are both too strong and would bull their way inside and unload on Miguell, imo.

I'm not sure...I'll be honest,at 140,I think he can beat Castillo. I think he should stay on the outside,use the body shots and jab,AVOID A WAR and work his way to a UD.Also if Chico has the power to hurt Castillo,so too does Cotto imo.Also,Miguel alhtough weight drained is still as strong as a bull@140....I mean he comes to the ring@156 sometimes!!!

Margarito fight,I'll be honest,I just want to see my 2 fave duke it out but I did not put much thought into it....I think Margarito may crush him!Hmmmm......Or Cotto may use some lateral movement and work Margarito's long body.....Wow,I think it would be a great fight!!!