Are these arguements valid??? I cant tell or is it a typical England vs US My daddy can beat yours playground arguement
Wattya all say???
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Are these arguements valid??? I cant tell or is it a typical England vs US My daddy can beat yours playground arguement
Wattya all say???
They think that Hatton's pressure, and stamina will be too much... However I believe that Floyd has better stamina than anybody in the sport, and he will use his skill to cut Hatton up both figuratively and literally(Hatton is proned to getting cuts), but who knows for sure... Hatton is very skilled and easily a top 10 p4p IN terms of skill alone... however I think the difference in speed, and such is too great for him to overcome.
Tell you why Hatton would beat Floyd, I can't, because he can't. Hatton would try valiantly, but fall short. Floyd has too much=speed, reflexes for countering,stamina,reach, accurate punching, can hit with both hands with all punches, too much defense, too much mobility, and the biggest thing Floyd has over Hatton= determination to be the best.
I cant intelligently post about hatton cause I have only heard and read about him, I only saw him fight a slow aged and what appeared to be an uninterested Kosta Tzyu (though he is undefeated that dosent happen by accident either) on the other hand I have watched a Ton of Floyd fights and seen him beat the best night after night I know Ricky has enough pressure to smother a country but Floyd is wat to fast and smart and most of all has the best defense in the business I dont see hatton Bullying Floyd like he did Tzyu Floyd would tear his face up like a sharpshooter!!!!
floyd's stamina my arse. if floyd beats hatton it wont be on workrate or stamina thats sure as shit. hatton is the busiest fighter in the ring at the moment. if he gets beat its gonna be because he was comprehensively outboxed. not out fucking worked so dont talk shite. i think hatton beats floyd because he would take what floyd has got and keep on coming. floyd doesnt hit hard enough to trouble hatton unless he cuts him. floyd could not keep hatton off him for 12 rounds.
I didn't say Floyd would win because of stamina, I said that Floyd has at least the same amount of stamina. I doubt Hatton would tire, but I know Floyd wouldn't. And Floyd wouldn't have to keep him off, because Floyd can fight better than Hatton on the inside, and, would catch him all day coming in. I watched Aamon Magee drop Hatton, and Floyd punches at least as hard as him, but faster, and more accurate. Floyd is just as accurate as Tszyu, and don't have to extend his punches to hit. Floyd would discourage Hatton. Once Hatton found out he can't hurt Floyd, and starts eating more punches than he ever has, he'll realize he's fighting a losing battle.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbirdy
This thread is going to get very heated..... ;D
as if floyd fights better than hatton on the inside. thats where hatton is at his best. he would hammer that body on the inside. trust me if floyd wins this fight it will not be on the inside. he wold have to box, and box well. and as if hatton being dropped by magee has anything to do with anything. hatton has shown time and time again that he can taks a punch, floyd hasnt been really tested in that department.
Isn't that the way we like it? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by The Game
There you go Jock Strap.Quote:
Originally Posted by jtrock
Youve said you havent seen enough of Hatton
Floyd has never fought someone like Hatton
The toughest and most determined fighter on the globe at the moment
Hatton won't land anything clean on the inside. He'll be hitting arms while eating clean uppercuts. And yes, Floyd don't have to move to beat Hatton, that is what will discourage him. Floyd can fight as good as anyone on the inside. Castillo hits harder than Hatton does, and he couldn't hurt Floyd in 2 fights, so what makes you think Hatton could? Castiilo punches more accurate too. Floyd wouldn't KO Hatton, but he would bust his face up. And Aamon caught Hatton coming in, that's how he dropped him. Floyd would do the same. Floyd has taken punches from much bigger punchers than Hatton has. Hatton has only taken hard shots from Tszyu, and Phillips. Floyd has taken punches from Corrales, Castillo,Zab, and Gatti just to name a few.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbirdy
bollocks floyd has taken punches. its the same old fucking shit again, corrales didnt hit him properly, and neither did gatti so dont talk shite. castillo hit him yes, and floyd didnt like it. hatton would pound floyds body and his arms yeah. and it would slow him down.
Floyd has fought Castillo, who is just like Hatton but would beat Hatton.Quote:
Originally Posted by LarryB
Castillo didn't slow him down, if anything, he slowed himself down by punching himself out. Hatton isn't going to be throwing as hard when he starts eating uppercuts, and counters. When he can't land anything meaningful, he'll try something different, and it won't work. Hatton has only beat and old man who would have beat him a few years earlier. So you don't talk shat. Hatton will not beat Floyd. I'm not so sure he is even going to win his next fight against Collazo. He should, but I'm not sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbirdy
stop fucking talking shite. castillo is just like hatton. have you even seen em both fight mate? hatton is a lot quicker on his feet and doesnt just rely on fighting on the inside the way castillo does. they are tottaly different fighters and you are a fadge.
Your just mad because I'm right. And I'm sure I've seen all three fighters more than you have obviously. Castillo and Hatton fight the same way, and if you can't see that, then you're blind my man. Castillo can box better than Hatton on the outside too. I'd hope you would get off Hatton jock and see some real boxing truth,Quote:
Originally Posted by jbirdy
i'm just mad cos your talking shite mate. your comparing two fighters and trying to make out that they are exactly the same just cos they are both aggressive. and your right about what exactly chief? about hatton and castillo being the same? or about mayweather being better at fighting on the inside than hatton? i dunno, i reckon i'm right about you being a fadge.
This man speaks the truth CCQuote:
Originally Posted by jbirdy
How are Hatton and Castillo different? Just because Hatton has quicker feet doesnt mean they don't fight the same kind of fight. That's not a good argument. Also, Floyd fought Castillo alot on the fight with Castillo on the inside and won twice. And you already stated that Castillo is an inside fighter, one of the best. I know floyd could hang with Hatton on the inside. Just because a bunch of bums, and an old man have broken to Hatton's pressure doesn't mean a class A fighter will. That's another bad argument. I never said Hatton and Castillo are the same anyway, I said they fight the same. They both pressure and work the body, trying to break down their opponents. That sounds alot alike. And me being a fadge? What's that? If you are referring to a homosexual slur, you're wrong. I'm definately sure that I've been with more women than you.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbirdy
Are you 2 from Manchester? Or are you guys that close?Quote:
Originally Posted by LarryB
I hope you guys aren't taking anything personal. I agree to disagree about Hatton and floyd.
oh my god you sound like such a wanker. you've been with more women than me, you are deffinately sure, and you have seen more of hatton, mayweather and castillo than me. you are deffinately sure. mate your probably just a computer geek who spends all day on this site. shouldnt you be out sleeping with some women mate. that makes me giggle. and a fadge is just something i call people who go around saying that they have deffinetely been with more women than people they dont even know.
I actually don't even use computers. My friend told me about this site awhile ago. About the women, oh well, just something else to argue about. But, I got to say that fadge is a lame putdown. I'm not sure what you know about the fight game. I know I've seen about 25 years of live boxing, and have at least 500 to 1000 hours of fights recorded dating back to early 20s. What you know is what you know my man. I just know that Floyd will prevail.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbirdy
Oh yea. :coolclick: to jbirdy for the argument. I've been up drinking all night, and it was fun. Nothing personal.
Well Hatton has power, lets his hands go, and can apply constant pressure for 12 rounds.
That's why I give him a good chance, plus he could take Kostya's power so Floyd's shouldn't be a problem even though it's more speed based power.
Not to take sides, but comparing Hatton to Castillo is like saying Floyd fights the same as Zab Judah, its that illogical.
I honestly cant decide between the two fighters and screw it, I'm in the mood, so lets break this down point for point, Dr. J style.
Power: Edge - Ricky
Ricky is naturally bigger than Floyd, but that doesnt mean he hits harder automatically. It does however give him a slight advantage. Neither fighter has awe inspiring power. Ricky can produce one shot power as was shown with his beautiful knock out of Maussa most recently. Both fighters can wear down opponents though, jus look at the Tsuyu and Gatti fights.
Defense: Major Edge - Floyd
Floyd is one of the best defensive fighters in the game today. In fact, I would only rank Winky higher. Floyd gives boxing lessons to most opponents and against orthodox fighters, well he barely gets hit. Ricky however, has a defense which is neither shocking or awe inspiring - its serviceable. Rickys major mode of his defense is his offense. With a raging "bull in a china shop" kind of guy coming at you relentlessly for 12 rounds and on top of you the whole way, its pretty hard to mount an offense.
Chin: Slight Edge - Ricky
Both fighters have been questioned for their chins. Before Ricky fought Tsuyu he was actually accused by many of having a "glass chin". Warring with one of the biggest punchers in the game and not wobbling, thatwill dispel those rumours. Floyd was rocked against Zab, and very slightly rocked by Sharmba Mitchell. Maybe its because Floyd is naturally so small or maybe its because he just aint used to getting tagged either way, there are still questions about Floyds chin, none left about Ricky's
Cuts/Swelling: Major Edge - Floyd
Rickys main weakness. His creamy white babyface skin gets cut up easier than most. In fact, this is the most likely way Floyd wins if he does.
Hand Speed: Edge - Floyd
Floyd is widely recognised as one of the fastest guys around, but Ricky's no slouch. Also, we still arent sure Floyd hasnt slowed down with the added weight. However, lets give him the benefit of the doubt as he hasnt really had much chance to show his skills at his new weights.
Toughness: Major Edge - Ricky
Well its obvious really isnt it, Ricky has to be tough. He has to walk through an opponent to even cause damage. If he werent so tough, his offense would never get started. Floyd relies on his boxing skills, agility etc so toughness isnt that much of a factor until he fights Ricky. But when Ricky is grinding away with his head buried in Floyds chest, wearing and slowing Pretty Boy down, hes gonna have to bring that edginess out of nowher to survive.
Intangibles: Major Edge - Ricky
Ring generalship - Floyd, Awareness - Floyd, but what swings this massively in Ricky's favour is his heart. Ricky has what the British love in all their popular sportsman, passion, unrelenting desire, and the heart of a lion.You could put a wall of fire between Ricky and his opponent and he probably wouldnt notice. Thats why I only see Ricky losing by points or the ref jumping in, theres on way he stays down after a knockdown.
So, I still have it at a push really. The only reason I therefore say Ricky is because I want him to win so bad and just cant see him losing, but Floyd fans probably see the same thing. We all know this fight is necessary and will be great, lets hope we get it for Christmas this year ;D
Another thing is Hatton is relentless to the body, which would be the easiest place to hit Floyd because it's the hardest to move and cover.
Castillo-Floyd 1
This is the reason why Hatton will beat Floyd........
Floyd has problem handling extreme pressure
I agree,I think Hatton is his biggest threat but the only problem is Floyd is going to be hitting him ALOT,will Ricky cut? Will Floyd break his hand?Quote:
Originally Posted by The_One77
I don't really rat Floyds stamina... he is allowed to relax to much and only works then he wants to against most of the guys he fights... he's a fit guy but when Zab pressured him in round four he didn't look to good... all Zab had to do was throw at Floyds exposed ribs and it could of changed the course of the fight. wasn't a split second thing either... his ribs were wide open because he tucked his (huge :D) gloves up to his face and froze.
Floyds a fit bloke but his fitness hasn't really be tested that much because he's so relaxed in there, can he get away with relaxing against Hatton? I don't think so. could go either way but I can see Ricky doing it.
I disagree about Floyd's work rate,he is one of the fittest if the not the fittest guy around. He lives breathes eats sleeps in the gym,watch the second Castillo fight and how he avoided that machine with his lateral movement from beginning to end. He knew if he relaxed there,he would be crushed so he did the smart thing. I gree with your points in the Zab fight though,that's why Ricky was sooooo confident after the fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
I think that Mayweather has a better chin. The others can be put either way. RIicky has had to show his intangibles more then Mayweather. So we've never seen Mayweather having to be tested that way because of his style.Quote:
Originally Posted by AC-Cobra
Some people may disagree but I can see this fight looking like mayweather/chavez. Looking at that fight and chavez style of bull- rushing in and throwing relentless shots to the body applying constant pressure he kinda looked like a smaller weaker version of hatton but you saw how mayweather dealt with him so that leads me to one conclusion,this fight would be determined by one thing;Hattons punching power. If floyd can take his punch hatton will lose. Inside or outside I feel mayweathers more technical sound than hatton. If hatton can't hurt him he will lose bad. Mayweather is too fast for hatton,truthfully I think if floyd wanted he could just run and pot shot him all day but floyd likes to stand in the pocket now a days to make it interesting and that will be hattons only chance but if he can't hurt him he'll get popped all day.Floyd might not knock him out but he'll tear his face up.
Good points, and that's what I've been saying. Hatton is tougher than Chavez, but I can't say that Hatton is tougher than Castillo, or has a better chin. Power between Hatton and Castillo are close, and Castillo couldn't hurt floyd. Floyd has only gotten better at dealing with pressure fighters since Castillo, but noone seems to realize that. Hatton will eat alot of punches, more than what he'll dish out.Quote:
Originally Posted by MRMANICK
I don't think he would have to keep Hatton off of him for 12 rds, maybe the first five or six rounds, by that time Hatton would figure out that he better stop charging in because he would be getting busted up and then he would have to keep Floyd off of him for the next 5 rounds. I would say an 11th round TKO, Hatton stopped on cuts, not a Knockout, thats my prediction if the fight ever happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbirdy
when Castillo fought Mayweather, his style was neutralised and Castillo wasn't getting hit that often..
Hopefully Hatton could make a better effort
In the first fight that happened, but Floyd still outlanded him. In thew second one, Floyd clearly won. Since, Floyd has gotten alot better against pressure fighters.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_One77
There was a rematch you know, where Mayweather won quite easily.
Hatton won't beat Floyd, they'll just destroy each other. It's the most exciting match up out there, hopefully we'll get to see it next year!
The way Hatton would beat Floyd is the same reason that people think Margarito could beat Floyd