Since the judges messed it up, lets see if saddoboxing can get it right.
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Since the judges messed it up, lets see if saddoboxing can get it right.
It was a draw imo.
There I added that option too. Just for you. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Bigsexy
It was a draw the least or a Collazo victory. Those scores of 115-112 were off. If any thing this should have been a draw or a 1 point win either way.Hatton did not impress. I see him having problems with the mayweathers and margaritos. Big problems. He was lucky to walk away with a win tonight.I hope that performance put into perspective what league he really is in.
I thought Collazo won, but I don't judge fights by round until after the first time I see it because I see it usually worse for my fighter than I do seeing the fight later on(Mayweather/Judah was a good example). I think Collazo won the fight as a whole, but could have lost going by the 10 point round system.
Come on folks vote!
Hatton won by a close decision
Collazo wins 114-113 it was close only because of the fluke knockdown.....Other than that that round was even....the 12th shoud have been scored 10-8.......by the way i did not include that into my judging..Collazo was robbed!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
I honestly think that Collazo pulled it out...but for the fact that I don't pro judge I'll go with the draw...but I did think that C won it.
didnt you hear it was Hatton by UD ;DQuote:
Who REALLY won the Hatton vs Collazo fight?
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Originally Posted by Saddo
Round one 8/10 snatched it for Ricky
He scraped it but he won fair and square
No question 8)
yeah i guess why these guys watch the fight with 2 eyes they will see he JUST nicked it ;)
ive only heard it on the radio...need to time to download and appraise it...
i dont wanna vote, cuz i stopped counting rounds after the 6th, but it could have EASILY been scored for collazzo, i do think that a collazo win id definitley more accurate then a 3 point win for hatton which boxrec says 2 of the judges had(i thought buffer announced two 2 point cards and one wider margin, boxrec says two 3 point one 1 point)(115-112 | 115-112 | 114-113) no names tho
ACTUALLY, if you took away the knockdown he still would have won a SDQuote:
Originally Posted by Smashup
that 12th round could be 10-8 as well. Hatton was in a lot more trouble then Collazo. Hatton is sort of like a Welterweight Lamon Brewster with less power.
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Originally Posted by Saddo
Bang on fella
They don't like it up em
Do you agree that Ricky needs more side to side moves?
Getting behind the fellas elbows instead of bowling into him in a straight line especially when your giving away 7 inches in reach!!!
Could have easily got on his bike in 11 and 12 but he has no reverse gear and is hard as f*cking nails and is what i am all about.
Rickys a throwback to the Marciano/lamotta era and i was sweating like a blind lesbian in a fish shop
all the way.
Pure entertainment.
Big up the Hitman and we know he's on his 800th guiness as we speak 8)
Yeah...cept he has a belt now. >:madQuote:
Originally Posted by Starr
If Hatton is a real champ he'll give Collazo a rematch :) But he didn't give Magee one so I wouldn't bet on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
All I know is Mayorga would eat his ass alive at 147.Quote:
Originally Posted by Starr
Not sure Mayorga has the style to expose Hattons flaws. If anything he would fall into hattons strengths
truth is mate i think he took this fight lightly as did many on this forum and was looking past him.... great learning fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smashup
But he did win RIGHTLY SO ;D and he can moveon to clean up the division now ;D
Yeah cus Oscar beat him he's a bum now...lil 140 lb Hatton who couldn't stop Ben Tackie or Vince Phillips would probably slaughter him. ;D ::** Don't turn on your fighters so quickly girl. But anyhow, we can agree on one thing, Hatton lost this damn fight!Quote:
Originally Posted by Starr
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Originally Posted by Saddo
On one hand he may have took Collazo lightly BUT on the other you could say that Collaza (and me and 9 mates all agreed) is one hard underated fighter.
A left hook merchant with a brawling style and a big reach disadvantage will always struggle with a southpaw. ;)
I'm not turning on Mayorga.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
His style is to go straight forward and trade which is Hatton's gameplan. Mayorga would be better served fighting Hatton using a jab and angles, but going straight in goes into Hattons strength because he won't have to chase.
I am saying that Mayorga going in and trading with Hatton is Hatton's gameplan. And Mayorga would be better served and have an easier fight not fighting Hatton's game. Get what I mean?
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Hatton won a very close decision.
Collazo is in loser land, the kid needs to get a belt so he has something to bring to the table, that won't be happening fast enough to get in touch with the fast rising star that is ricky Hatton.Quote:
Originally Posted by Starr
Hatton but just barely :)
Hatton won by a close decision, nice to see a rematch...
But does Mayorga have another game? Or is he cast into his style and thus always susceptible to Hatton? I think so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Starr
But we've now seen that someone with boxing skills, good defense and some power could dominate against Hatton. After the Tzsyu fight his swarming style seemed invincible, but it's not. Even if he drops back down in weight though he's going to be relatively stronger there. Castillo, Diego, etc - there would be some interesting fights to be made.
I voted Collazo win but probably shouldn't have voted. My source was Wacko DRBR and therefore my judgment suspect. No offense W! But it's like W getting two votes.
I'm sure Ricky will give him one too, in Manchester when Mr Collazo has something else to bring to the table.
The real winner of the fight may have been Don King.
It was funny watching after the winner was announced, Ricky was congratulating everyone and he got to Don king and checked himself halfway through as though he realised too late who it was.
Don king is the :hair_up: :flame: devil.
I think because Collazo was the champion, he should have got the benifit of the doubt. But that never happens anymore
He got sat on his backside, he needed to do more, he needed to knock Hatton out in that last round but couldn't quite manage it and theres the tale of the new champ.
Hatton was the aggressor all night long and he came to win, win ugly but still win.
I scored the fight 115-112 for Collazo last night and I re-watched it this morning and still came up with the same scoring... if anything, re-watching the 12th round again, you could have scored that a 10-8 round for Collazo.
Sure Hatton was the aggressor, but watch the fight closely... he landed very little meaningful shots from around the 4th round onwards. Most of the punches he threw either missed or hit the gloves/arms of Collazo. If you are still going to be scoring rounds for fighters who are having their punches blocked, then you are not following the rules. Collazo was hitting Hatton with nice combos and generally being all round more effective, although I could see how some people might score certain rounds for Hatton on first viewing.
Hatton by three rounds, 116-113. My scoring for what it's worth: (Hat-Col) : 10/8 10/10 10/9 10/9 9/10 9/10 10/9 10/9 10/10 9/10 10/9 9/10.
Hatton not firing on all cylinders, but enough pressure and punches to nick a lot of the rounds. I suppose you have to remember this was Hatton's first fight at this weight whereas Collazo is a seasoned welter. You could see that Ricky couldn't bully like he did to Tsyzu, although it wasn't just the weight, it was the fast hand speed of Collazo. Ricky now knows he has to step up a level, if Collazo had more power, Hat may have been beaten in that last round. If Ricky can still do Light W then he should do it cos that's his natural division - I was always a bit worried when I heard on the saddoboxing interview that the extra poundage allowed him to have a few more bacon sarnies! His sharpness wasn't quite there but in his credit he bounced back in round 7 when he was looking clueless in the previous two rounds
Hatton won with at least 4-5 points. I guess that it is hard for the yanks watching an european beating an american in the states. In two or three years there will be not much american left in top boxing. Sad but true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
First off, you are a tool. That is wrong and prejudice statement on many levels.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ken Burton
Second, I want to chime in on the fight. It could have been a draw, but I had it 1 or 2 points for Ricky. He doesn't win without the knockdown. Ricky lost the 12th, but he got off enough to keep it from being a 10-8 round. A rematch would be nice. After seeing this, I'm less confident about his prospects against other welterweights. His bull-in-a-china-shop styled didn't work as well against a bigger man.
I think 'compu whatever it's called' had Hatton landing more punches with a 35% success rate and Collazo 30% success rate with less punches thrown.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oggie
Although I thought it was a tough call and perhaps more likely a draw as per my first post:
Overconfident, overawed, outboxed, that's how I saw the fight in the early hours of the morning. I am a huge Hatton fan and hold a natural bias for the man from my home town. BUT This was without a shadow of a doubt the most difficult performance/matchup I have ever witnessed of Hatton's, and I have seen the majority of them. What certainly was apparent was that Hatton could not bully in the ring at the new weight. I dont use the term 'bully' in a derogotory term as that is his style and that is the style I like to see, but he couldn't do it this morning. I really didn't think the fact that Collazo was taller, would be the difficulty, Hatton has faced taller compition previously (such as the Maussa), but it did prove difficult. As correctly noted by Sky in their commentary, Hatton kept getting hit by the right hook from Colazzo, and that was when he could see! His left eye was so badly shut by the latter rounds that he was getting hit with alarming regularity. I had the fight tight. I did think Colazzo was shook several times in the fight, but felt he definitely got through with the cleaner shots. Hatton did work hard as usual and did outwork as he normally does, but simply without the power and snap we are accustomed to seeing. I hate to say it but have to agree with Colazzo when he said he expects a guy to do better than that to take his title. I would have to agree. It now leaves unanswered questions about Hatton at 147. At 140 I think he is too strong a prospect but may have real difficulties with the bigger weight. I admire Ricky for moving up, fighting for a belt straight away and fighting in the states, but the man who really impressed me tonight was Luis Collazo, who was quick with his hands, courageous, gracious in defeat (considering the closeness) and a guy who can make giant steps in the welterweight division.
Hatton won but he was begining to lose stamina and lose the fight.
Hatton dictated the pase and landed really good to the body, Collazo needed to stay on the outside more than he did.