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Collazo was very impressive and i had him winning the fight by one point, Hatton is not the same fighter at 147, he cant bully his opponents, he takes to many shots which affected his stamina, he wasnt as ruthless as usual, i think if he fights PBF, 147 would not be a problem, but Margorito or Dela Hoya would be suiside. Collazo should get another shot for that performance, i defintly think Ricky should go back to 140 unless it's PBF, I feel Margorito would be to strong for him.
idealy he would want to fight at 140. but he's only fighting at 147 cos thats where the big fights are. he'l go back down if the right offers are made.
But for as small as floyd is he is still bigger than hatton in both height aand reach.Collazo was able to keep away from hatton when he wanted to and lets be honest collazo ain't as fast in hand or feet as floyd. Hatton has a lot of heart but i'm afraid against floyd he will eat alot of leather.Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983
Yeah Hatton didnt look his usual self, but hey it wasnt a great night for him and he still won against a good fighter.
Collazo was not impressive. Hatton had a bad night and the ref made sure everytime Hatton got in close he pushed him back.
he was more impressive than i thought he would be.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Fightman
I now have the upmost respect for hatton.....he admitted that he is a natural lww and that the hits he took hurt him.....I don't respect his style but for him as a person.....Collazo was robbed!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by jbirdy
as if he collazo was robbed. it was a close fight but ricky edged it. collazo didn't do enough for you to say he was robbed. hatton had a bad night and collazo boxed probably the best he ever has and ricky still edged it.
Ricky Da man.
New World Welterweight Champion makes a couple of black eyes a whole lot easier to bear.
He will be looking forward to more doors opening up and more opportunities to come his way.
Let PBF go and clean house with the rest of the old guys while Ricky continues to fight his way up the ladder.
I didn't see it that way..I saw a fighter that couldn't adjust and lost the fight 114-113...he got lucky with the KD and even luckier decision...Quote:
Originally Posted by jbirdy
Some of you guy's crack me up....A bunch of band wagon jumpers is what I think.... :dontknow: ( YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE SO DON"T EVERYONE START SAYING I NEVER HYPED HATTON UP) Hatton had an off night...Collazo had a good one...Hatton's first fight at 147 he fought a legit guy not a has been or fighter on the downslide...Was it Ricky's finest performance HELL NO!!!! But that doesn't mean he is over rated or he will get killed by every other 147 pounder...Let's see him in another fight at 147 before we crucify him....And Please if he wins his next one in a big way don't start retracting statements :argue: Some fans you guy's are...
enjoy the gift while you can....Hatton will not win another big fight at 147......time to face reality....Hatton is not near as good as those brits though he was.....just took him coming over and fighting a good american fighter to find this out....his time is limited and the clock is running....Quote:
Originally Posted by The Whirlwind
even if you do see it that way chief that one point margin is not enough to justify the 'he was robbed' comment. i gave it to hatton by a couple of rounds. it was a close fight.
You guys keep talking this way...
Who is the best at 147??? Mayweather?? what legit 147 did he fight? Mayweather fought 2 blown up 140s....has not faced a true 147 yet, and couldnt put a scratch on Buldozer let alone hatton.
Hatton came up in weight and beat a 147 natural who was winning Fights.... PBF fought.....Mitchel?????? Judah ??? who lost to Buldozer????
Plz get ya'll facts straight
That hatton has apromising career in the WWF if this whole boxing thing dosent pan out LOL!!! c"mon man stop trying to compare and justify the LOusy amature performance !!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Salhadin
A one point difference is a robbery? ::**Quote:
Originally Posted by bigragu
Heres some facts for u:Quote:
Originally Posted by Salhadin
-PBF started out at 130 and is now at 147
-Hatton started at 140 and is now at 147
-Who should be more comfortable at this weight? I would say hatton so please stop with the lame excuses. The fact is pbf started at 130 and came up and beat a guy who one fight ago was the undisputed champ. Hatton came up one class and arguably lose to a guy who three fights ago was fighting a guy with a 7-41 record.The facts are he just ain't as good as you think and he shouldn't of had these kinda problems with this type of fighter. A top 10 ponund 4 pounder shouldn't have these type of fights against this kinda opponent. They call it pound 4 pound because that means you should be able to beat anyone at or close to your weight. Face it he fought a second-tier fighter and hads lots of trouble.
:coolclick: not to mention sadly enough Ricky never made any technical adjustments through out the fight to warrant saying he would have a punchers chance if any against the fast slick Top WeltersQuote:
Originally Posted by MRMANICK
bollocks mrmanick. did you watch the fight? collazo looked really good and probably supprised shit loads of people including me. he would have given anyone problems and wouldnt have been disposed of by mayweather. collazo wasnt as shit last night as your making out.
Collazo doesn't look 2nd tier to me and it would take much more than a 2nd tier fighter to make Hatton look ordinary.
Hattons style is a little ugly but he is very effective and 2nd tier fighters go by the wayside quickly.
Respect to Collazo, he's a big natural Welterweight and until yesterday he was a champ. He has quick hands and good combo's. He's not the finished article but he is only 25.
Ricky is ensured a big name opponent now.
I hope he trains and fights smarter and not just harder.
cool click. hatton showed last night the durability of an oxQuote:
Originally Posted by The Whirlwind
AN huggin lovin OX in heatQuote:
Originally Posted by LBSCFC
Oh no collazo looked good last night. But don't front. Everyone knew he picked him cause he thought he would walk through him. Thats what his fans thought and thats what most writers thought too. This was suppose to be an easy belt and it should have.Collazo is good but he was a paper champ.Thats the facts. After this fight i think collazo is alot better than people thought and that hatton is not as good as people thought.Fan or not thats what that fight showed. I can admit he got the win but can u admit he looked bad doing it? And by the way pbf would have a field day with collazo. Hes too good a boxer.His defense is too good. That was hatton problem. If he would of atual boxed more he might have looked better.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbirdy
I agree Ricky looked bad.
But he still won.
He always struggles with Southpaws and he always looks beat up after a fight.
Styles make fights.
I think Ricky vs Mayweather would be FAR MORE of a spectacle than that one sided dismemberment lesson that PBF handed to Gatti.
Ricky won't be facing Mayweather for at least a year or two anyway.
Plenty of time to develop at least SOME head movement.
hatton had a bad might and is capable of so much more than last nights performance.
the fight didnt do Hatton as much good as it should have done, since he 'won' so unconvincingly. Technically, he got what he wanted - a door-opening first USA win at 147. But the story as is obvious is not told by the UD alone.
Hatton can still negotiate this victory to be what he wants it to be in terms of moving on, so that's good for him. He's lucky, though, that this is the case, and he shouldn't be in this position because of luck. Even if he did get a legit UD, it wasn't how it should have been, and that is undeniable.
What I am hoping is that out of this performance, Callazo, who 'lost' so convincingly, will also have an opportunity to show whether he is really ready to fight at this level successfully, or was he just custom-trained against Hatton and so did well? If styles make fights, how would Callazo stand against a boxer? He sure seems to have come out of an unpromising history to shine last night. Where for Callazo now?
Well he deserves a rematch but sadly I don't think hatton would risk it. We saw the punches but ricky felt them and he said himself he was hurt a few times. He knows a rematch may not favor him. And if that same hatton showed up in the rematch i think he would get knocked out. But I hope this opens up some doors for collazo.He showed he belonged last night.Who knows he might fight margarito. Hes earned it.Quote:
Originally Posted by NuthaPug
your probably right I dont hate on Ricky I just think it is a little premature to be calling out Floyd when he has a way to go..Better he finds out this way then throwing him in a big fight watch him get blown out and fracturing his confidence and careerQuote:
Originally Posted by jbirdy
Cool clicks for Jbirdy :coolclick: and for MrManick :coolclick: as well.
You are dead right Jb, Ricky is capable of a whole lot more and lets hope he ups the ante for the next fight, he's a quick-ish learner.
MrManick. I can tell you are not overly enamoured with Ricky's style etc. but you have made some valid points that require some valid answers in the ring from the man in question.
I have to say I'm not particularly drawn to Ricky's rough and tough style but he's much more than just a pressure fighter, and he is a real top fella out of the ring with no nonsense trash talk etc. So a cool click for you sir.
I agree 100% and thats really been my only problem. I like Hatton ,i think hes a decent fighter and has alot of heart but his technical is not up to par. And a guy like pbf who is technical master would pick him apart. You can't beat elite fighters with just heart all the time. He needs to step it up in the defense department before i could even consider him beating floyd.Would hatton hit floyd?Yes but if collazo hit him over 200 times how many times do you think mayweathers gonna catch him.Quote:
Originally Posted by jtrock
its not premmature for ricky to be calling out mayweather at all. don't judge him on last nights performance.
How would you like me to judge him??? He has no defense or head movement or wuz that just for last nite???I think not Ricky has a lot of heart and determination but lacks in the other important attributes RIGHT NOW!!! No one is writing off Ricky for the rest of his career but he has glaring defecienties in defense head movement and making needed adjustments he is a one trick pony against the Houdini of boxing will be a disaster and you know itQuote:
Originally Posted by jbirdy
Ok have your fight with Floyd!!!!Humor me on this one What will all you Hatton lovers say when he gets broken up bad????C'mon what will you say
It is premature now just like it was before.I'm not just judging off this fight. I have seen about 12 hatton fights and i still see the same flows. Collazo gave everyone the blueprint. Just keep him in the middle of the ring and throw combos. You'll tag him all day. Then he'll try to muscle you on the ropes. When he does that just hold him like hes holding you and he won't be able to get off. If I saw that then I know floyd did.Like I said hatton is decent but if he don't work on his outside game he'll never even be able to get inside on floyd.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbirdy
sorry mate but do your homework on hatton. the hatton that faught ray olivera looked awesome and is more than capable of pulling a number on mayweather. last night wasn't anywhere near the best of ricky hatton. he had a bad night and collazo faught probably the best he has so far in his carear. if hatton was on form there would have been a KO. and for the record mayweather had a bad night against judah and didn't look overly impressive either but still gets judged from other performances because people know what he is capable of.
Your kidding about The Floyd comment I hope Judah was winning the 1st 3 rounds but as any GREAT FIGHTER does he made adjustments and dismantled Judah the rest of the way until the infamous cheap shot Floyd showed us why he is the best that night...SO please no comparison in the talent level WATCH THE FIGHT JUDAH IS BETTER THAN COLLAZO EVEN THOUGH I HATE HIS GUTS ITS TRUE!!!!!YOU HATTON FANS ARE SO DELUSIONALQuote:
Originally Posted by jbirdy
Olivera! HA didn't he almost get seriously hurt by agustus not to long ago.You can't even compare those two fights for many reasons. Well first judah was the former undisputed champ,Collazo was the wba paper champ(he held this belt while judah was champ.)Second,floyd had a little difficulties in the first 4 rounds but then like the great fighter he is he went on to adapt and ultimately dominate.Hatton went from having difficulties to almost getting knocked out. Keep in mind everyone before this fight would say that judah was way better than collazo.He might be better than he has looked but has a lot more to prove before I say he can beat floyd.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbirdy
I agree But unfortunately the UK dosent so we are argueing with a whole country LOL!!! all joking aside at this point I will respectfully agree to disagree with this topic :)Quote:
Originally Posted by MRMANICK
Well I thought Hatton could have KO'd Collazo if he let his hands go when Luis was on the ropes...Ricky looked lazy at times.
Hatton did decent...I didn't think Collazo was THAT good, he impressed me but he did fight Hatton's fight for the most part.
Hatton's punches were also wider than usual.
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Originally Posted by Lyle
He wasn't picked because he thought he could walk through him.Quote:
Originally Posted by MRMANICK
His trainer Billy Graham and his promter Dennis Hobson did not want to go near the fight and admitted as much in interviews on Sky Sports last night. THey were terrified that Collazo's style could ultimately cause serious problems for Ricky (which they admittedly did)
They did not want Ricky to fight Collazo because they know that that particular style causes problems for Ricky. The southpaws right hook is one that Ricky always get tagged with (Eamon Magee). Billy Graham said that Ricky insisted on the fight because it was a genuine belt at a new level. It was the only decent fight left out there at Welterweight.
The facts are that he is now a two weight world champion who I think should consider going back down to 140 and clearing out the division.