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BOTTOM LINE: Hatton can NOT beat PBF!!
I realize much of you here are in denial. Saddo, included. But the facts remain, Hatton got exposed. He has no defense. Don't you Hatton supporters realize PBF is waaaay faster than Collazo? Don't gimme the excuse that it was cuz he's southpaw. 2 main points are Hatton only comes forward, no side to side movement, and he has NO defense. None!! PBF would have a field day picking him apart. "But he would smother PBF". How? PBF's too fast for Hatton to catch him on the ropes.
Ricky, for your career's sake, go back to 140 before it's too late.
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Re: BOTTOM LINE: Hatton can NOT beat PBF!!
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Originally Posted by Mr. Nightmare
I realize much of you here are in denial. Saddo, included. But the facts remain, Hatton got exposed. He has no defense. Don't you Hatton supporters realize PBF is waaaay faster than Collazo? Don't gimme the excuse that it was cuz he's southpaw. 2 main points are Hatton only comes forward, no side to side movement, and he has NO defense. None!! PBF would have a field day picking him apart. "But he would smother PBF". How? PBF's too fast for Hatton to catch him on the ropes.
Ricky, for your career's sake, go back to 140 before it's too late.
I pretty much agree 100% :)But ive always thought he would be too slow. Its a shame is took this kind of fighter to show that being that I too think he is way slower than floyd. And the shot that almost put him down in 12 was a straight fast shot. Those are mayweathers best punches. Floyd UD or 11 round stoppage.
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Mayweather could beat Hatton while at the same time having a conversation with the ref about global warming.
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Hahahaha!! This ImRipped guy is really funny!!
It's just sad that most of the Hatton fans on this forum are in denial, based on the posts I've read since the fight.
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Re: BOTTOM LINE: Hatton can NOT beat PBF!!
Now the Hatton that fought the other night I agree a fight vs PBF right now would be like PBF-Gatti.
Hatton didn't fight like he usually does, throwing punches when the other guy is on the ropes and so on. A Hatton that is having a good day is still a hard fight for Floyd though.
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Re: BOTTOM LINE: Hatton can NOT beat PBF!!
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Originally Posted by Lyle
Now the Hatton that fought the other night I agree a fight vs PBF right now would be like PBF-Gatti.
Hatton didn't fight like he usually does, throwing punches when the other guy is on the ropes and so on. A Hatton that is having a good day is still a hard fight for Floyd though.
I like you lyle. I can tell your a fan but your not being overly ignorant about the situation. I respect that and I'm glad you can admit it. I hope thats not the best of hatton because i wanna see him and pbf fight but if his next fight is like that then it probably won't happen. :)
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Originally Posted by Mr. Nightmare
I realize much of you here are in denial. Saddo, included. But the facts remain, Hatton got exposed. He has no defense. Don't you Hatton supporters realize PBF is waaaay faster than Collazo? Don't gimme the excuse that it was cuz he's southpaw. 2 main points are Hatton only comes forward, no side to side movement, and he has NO defense. None!! PBF would have a field day picking him apart. "But he would smother PBF". How? PBF's too fast for Hatton to catch him on the ropes.
Ricky, for your career's sake, go back to 140 before it's too late.
you gotta realize that PBF can be bullied, thats whi it was castillio that gave him trouble, and that was at a VERRY light weight, i cant imagine how he could deal with that kind of smothering from a WW
now judah... judah would KTFO hatton no doubt
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Originally Posted by MRMANICK
I like you lyle. I can tell your a fan but your not being overly ignorant about the situation. I respect that and I'm glad you can admit it. I hope thats not the best of hatton because i wanna see him and pbf fight but if his next fight is like that then it probably won't happen. :)
Hatton usually has shorter faster punches and his bully style would be the perfect foil to use against Floyd. HOWEVER if he doesn't work enough on the inside or gets scared of Floyd like Gatti did then Ricky will end up like Gatti.
Honestly right now I can see PBF winning on cuts but Hatton giving him a good hard fight.
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Jesus Christ It was a bad night. This is like the Castillo - PBF fight only opposite. PBF looked terrible that fight as did Hatton last night and both have had bad matchups against fighters with opposing styles. Haton's style has been proven to give PBF fits at times and PBF's style has been proven to give Hatton trouble. How Hatton does in a second Collazo fight is key imo.
I know I should have expected as much but in 41 fights the guy gets troubled once and suddenly he isn't good enough to carry another fighter's jock. Get ahold of yourselves. Was it a bad night? Yes. Could he have shown more? God yes. Would PBF have beaten him last night? Without question. Is this performance more telling then his 40 other fights? NO.
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Originally Posted by SecondRoundKO
Jesus Christ It was a bad night. This is like the Castillo - PBF fight only opposite. PBF looked terrible that fight as did Hatton last night and both have had bad matchups against fighters with opposing styles. Haton's style has been proven to give PBF fits at times and PBF's style has been proven to give Hatton trouble. How Hatton does in a second Collazo fight is key imo.
I know I should have expected as much but in 41 fights the guy gets troubled once and suddenly he isn't good enough to carry another fighter's jock. Get ahold of yourselves. Was it a bad night? Yes. Could he have shown more? God yes. Would PBF have beaten him last night? Without question. Is this performance more telling then his 40 other fights? NO.
I disagree. I don't think that it was just that it was a bad night... I think that maybe Collazo needs a bit of credit here.
One of two or three things needs to be taken into consideration...#1: Hatton started gassing out & his power fell off or #2: Collazo has one hell of a chin or #3: Hatton needs to be back @ 140 where he can dominate.
He's been troubled more than just once in 41 fights. That being said...he's still all good in the neighborhood...but he's got a lot to work on once he hits the established me @ 147 apparently. Hatton himself stated that it was Collazo...that he had prepared for war & what not & that his conditioning was fine. I just think that Collazo was that tricky.
I don't agree with the majority of haters on here though...last night isn't that damning...but I do feel that he didn't deserve the nod...either that or a draw.
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Problem is that Castillo has been knock to break down boxers like Floyd and he just couldn't do it to PBF. And Hatton struggles against the style like Floyds when Castillo didn't.
Hatton would get beaten by Floyd 10 rounds to 2
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Originally Posted by SecondRoundKO
Haton's style has been proven to give PBF fits at times and PBF's style has been proven to give Hatton trouble.
that is by far the quote of the year 8)
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truth is Hatton and Mayweather have proven they are better at the lower weights so it dosnt matter what weight they fight at its gonna be a classic ;)
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Originally Posted by Saddo
truth is Hatton and Mayweather have proven they are better at the lower weights so it dosnt matter what weight they fight at its gonna be a classic ;)
Agreed.
I loved watching Mayweather vs Gatti. ;)
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i think Gatti was beaten before he entered the ring... i blame the fireworks ;D
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When has Hatton fought a PBF style fighter though? I mean Floyd has fought pressure fighters but Floyd's style is VERY different than anyone else in the division other than De la Hoya and even then there are big differences between them.
No one is as fast or defensivly slick as Floyd! Hatton's style is easier to mimick it's the intagibles that he brings that I think would be tough for Floyd to handle, also Cotto's style would be tough for him. The body is what will take down Floyd either that or a guy with a quick right cross
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Re: BOTTOM LINE: Hatton can NOT beat PBF!!
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Originally Posted by Mr. Nightmare
I realize much of you here are in denial. Saddo, included. But the facts remain, Hatton got exposed. He has no defense. Don't you Hatton supporters realize PBF is waaaay faster than Collazo? Don't gimme the excuse that it was cuz he's southpaw. 2 main points are Hatton only comes forward, no side to side movement, and he has NO defense. None!! PBF would have a field day picking him apart. "But he would smother PBF". How? PBF's too fast for Hatton to catch him on the ropes.
Ricky, for your career's sake, go back to 140 before it's too late.
Did you watch last nights??? Hatton doesnt have to have you on the Ropes to smother you...He is ALWAYS in your face, he smothers you in the middle of the ring.....People who know nothing of hatton shouldnt be talking.
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by SecondRoundKO
Jesus Christ It was a bad night. This is like the Castillo - PBF fight only opposite. PBF looked terrible that fight as did Hatton last night and both have had bad matchups against fighters with opposing styles. Haton's style has been proven to give PBF fits at times and PBF's style has been proven to give Hatton trouble. How Hatton does in a second Collazo fight is key imo.
I know I should have expected as much but in 41 fights the guy gets troubled once and suddenly he isn't good enough to carry another fighter's jock. Get ahold of yourselves. Was it a bad night? Yes. Could he have shown more? God yes. Would PBF have beaten him last night? Without question. Is this performance more telling then his 40 other fights? NO.
It was definitely Collazo. I hadn't seen him fight before last night. But I really did expect Hatton to walk through Collazo, causing the boxing public to beg for a Hatton vs PBF show down. Not so... Collazo handed out an ass whoopin' that Hatton will never forget, though he will wish he could. Collazo deserves credit for that performance.
To me... at 147lbs Hatton is just a prospect. I do not want to see him against DLH, PBF or Margarito right now. I'd like to see him fighting with the likes of Gatti, Baldomir, Cintron, hell Estrada would be interesting I think and very winnable for Hatton. Hatton needs to prove himself at this weight before I my mouth starts to water over PBF vs Hatton like it once was. At this point, I see PBF moving in and out, in and to the side, landing quick combinations each time.
I disagree. I don't think that it was just that it was a bad night... I think that maybe Collazo needs a bit of credit here.
One of two or three things needs to be taken into consideration...#1: Hatton started gassing out & his power fell off or #2: Collazo has one hell of a chin or #3: Hatton needs to be back @ 140 where he can dominate.
He's been troubled more than just once in 41 fights. That being said...he's still all good in the neighborhood...but he's got a lot to work on once he hits the established me @ 147 apparently. Hatton himself stated that it was Collazo...that he had prepared for war & what not & that his conditioning was fine. I just think that Collazo was that tricky.
I don't agree with the majority of haters on here though...last night isn't that damning...but I do feel that he didn't deserve the nod...either that or a draw.
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Originally Posted by Lyle
When has Hatton fought a PBF style fighter though? I mean Floyd has fought pressure fighters but Floyd's style is VERY different than anyone else in the division other than De la Hoya and even then there are big differences between them.
No one is as fast or defensivly slick as Floyd! Hatton's style is easier to mimick it's the intagibles that he brings that I think would be tough for Floyd to handle, also Cotto's style would be tough for him. The body is what will take down Floyd either that or a guy with a quick right cross
you know what i would really like to see now...
Hatton - Cotto
PBF - DLH
a mix of the 4 aint bad but that is the real fights id love to see come off ;)
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by SecondRoundKO
Jesus Christ It was a bad night. This is like the Castillo - PBF fight only opposite. PBF looked terrible that fight as did Hatton last night and both have had bad matchups against fighters with opposing styles. Haton's style has been proven to give PBF fits at times and PBF's style has been proven to give Hatton trouble. How Hatton does in a second Collazo fight is key imo.
I know I should have expected as much but in 41 fights the guy gets troubled once and suddenly he isn't good enough to carry another fighter's jock. Get ahold of yourselves. Was it a bad night? Yes. Could he have shown more? God yes. Would PBF have beaten him last night? Without question. Is this performance more telling then his 40 other fights? NO.
It was definitely Collazo. I hadn't seen him fight before last night. But I really did expect Hatton to walk through Collazo, causing the boxing public to beg for a Hatton vs PBF show down. Not so... Collazo handed out an ass whoopin' that Hatton will never forget, though he will wish he could. Collazo deserves credit for that performance.
To me... at 147lbs Hatton is just a prospect. I do not want to see him against DLH, PBF or Margarito right now. I'd like to see him fighting with the likes of Gatti, Baldomir, Cintron, hell Estrada would be interesting I think and very winnable for Hatton. Hatton needs to prove himself at this weight before I my mouth starts to water over PBF vs Hatton like it once was. At this point, I see PBF moving in and out, in and to the side, landing quick combinations each time.
I disagree. I don't think that it was just that it was a bad night... I think that maybe Collazo needs a bit of credit here.
One of two or three things needs to be taken into consideration...#1: Hatton started gassing out & his power fell off or #2: Collazo has one hell of a chin or #3: Hatton needs to be back @ 140 where he can dominate.
He's been troubled more than just once in 41 fights. That being said...he's still all good in the neighborhood...but he's got a lot to work on once he hits the established me @ 147 apparently. Hatton himself stated that it was Collazo...that he had prepared for war & what not & that his conditioning was fine. I just think that Collazo was that tricky.
I don't agree with the majority of haters on here though...last night isn't that damning...but I do feel that he didn't deserve the nod...either that or a draw.
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Re: BOTTOM LINE: Hatton can NOT beat PBF!!
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Originally Posted by Saddo
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Originally Posted by SecondRoundKO
Haton's style has been proven to give PBF fits at times and PBF's style has been proven to give Hatton trouble.
that is by far the quote of the year 8)
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truth is Hatton and Mayweather have proven they are better at the lower weights so it dosnt matter what weight they fight at its gonna be a classic ;)
Sorry but I can only say that for hatton right now. The verdict is still out for floyd. I say this cause floyd did have trouble with zab for a brief second then went on to look pretty good as oppose to hatton who barely survived under the power of a light-hitter and looked bad.Floyds skill can take him places in ww division that hattons can't. Floyd defense and offense will be able to carry him against those big hitters. I think hattons lack of defense will be his down fall not only at welter but at light welter too.
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Originally Posted by Lyle
When has Hatton fought a PBF style fighter though?
They have the same general style, slick, fast and accurate. Of course PBF is better, but it's the same general style. And Floyd hasn't fought any pressure fighter half as good as Hatton since Castillo where he first had real trouble. Hatton will rebound in the second fight much like PBF did in the second Castillo fight imo. I know us PBF fans hate the Castillo fight being brought up in regards to Hatton but it has to.
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Originally Posted by MRMANICK
floyd did have trouble with zab for a brief second
it was alot longer than a second... Zab shot his load too early and gave up ;)
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Originally Posted by Starr
Like Hatton ;)
Happens to lots of fighter, especially ones that are out to prove something
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Hatton should have switched up his gameplan then, like Floyd had to. All I saw was plan A all night from Ricky.
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Originally Posted by Starr
Like Hatton ;)
no not at all... if Zab had been seeing birds in the 12th like Hatton he'd be trying to throw a stool at the ref....
Hatton was all heart last night ;)
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Last time Zab was seeing birds he came back and won a few rounds but still lost the decision. He showed his heart in the Baldomir fight.
Hatton showed last night that he can't go to plan B.
At least when Zab was hurt he stopped trying to use his standing lean trade and tried to box from the outside and pot shot Baldomir to try to bank rounds.
Hatton on the other hand did what he had done from round 1 and that is march forward. He never changed his gameplan.
He will show character if he gives Collazo a rematch
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Originally Posted by SecondRoundKO
Jesus Christ It was a bad night. This is like the Castillo - PBF fight only opposite. PBF looked terrible that fight as did Hatton last night and both have had bad matchups against fighters with opposing styles. Haton's style has been proven to give PBF fits at times and PBF's style has been proven to give Hatton trouble. How Hatton does in a second Collazo fight is key imo.
I know I should have expected as much but in 41 fights the guy gets troubled once and suddenly he isn't good enough to carry another fighter's jock. Get ahold of yourselves. Was it a bad night? Yes. Could he have shown more? God yes. Would PBF have beaten him last night? Without question. Is this performance more telling then his 40 other fights? NO.
The difference is Floyd, after his only close and controversal win, gave Castillo a rematch to prove he was the man. It's just too bad Hatton doesn't have the cojones to do the same with Collazo.
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...where have you been, Hatton said he's for a rematch.
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Re: BOTTOM LINE: Hatton can NOT beat PBF!!
...you might be "ripped" but you're also a little s-s-s-slow
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Re: BOTTOM LINE: Hatton can NOT beat PBF!!
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
I disagree. I don't think that it was just that it was a bad night... I think that maybe Collazo needs a bit of credit here.
I think he needs a ton of credit. I think credit was a big issue in this fight. Let's face it. Who gave Collazo a shot? Other then Starr (who picks the underdog everytime it seems), noone viewed Collazo as a threat and I HATE to bring it up because under training is the worst excuse ever imo but it has to be a factor here. I mean, Hatton did ons of press for this fight, he was doing tons of press, and...well he just wasn't looking like the guy who fought Tszyu or Collazo.
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
One of two or three things needs to be taken into consideration...#1: Hatton started gassing out & his power fell off or #2: Collazo has one hell of a chin or #3: Hatton needs to be back @ 140 where he can dominate.
Hatton said in the post fight presser that he felt like a bloated 140 lber rather then a legit welter. His stamina is fine when he is in prime shape though, and his power carries fine. Ask Tszyu ;)
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
I don't agree with the majority of haters on here though...last night isn't that damning...but I do feel that he didn't deserve the nod...either that or a draw.
I thought he won the fight.
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Originally Posted by ImRipped
The difference is Floyd, after his only close and controversal win, gave Castillo a rematch to prove he was the man. It's just too bad Hatton doesn't have the cojones to do the same with Collazo.
When asked by the media who he would like to fight next, Ricky Hatton responded by saying, "I will fight anybody out there, and I approve of a rematch with Luis."
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Originally Posted by Lyle
...you might be "ripped" but you're also a little s-s-s-slow
Castillo was Floyd's first fight at a new weight as well. And after the decision, what does Floyd say? "Let's do it again."
Collazo was Hatton's first fight at a new weight as well. And after the decision, what does Ricky say? "Um, I think I'll go back down a weight class."
not very champion-like.
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Originally Posted by ImRipped
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Originally Posted by Lyle
...you might be "ripped" but you're also a little s-s-s-slow
Castillo was Floyd's first fight at a new weight as well. And after the decision, what does Floyd say? "Let's do it again."
Collazo was Hatton's first fight at a new weight as well. And after the decision, what does Ricky say? "Um, I think I'll go back down a weight class."
not very champion-like.
When asked by the media who he would like to fight next, Ricky Hatton responded by saying, "I will fight anybody out there, and I approve of a rematch with Luis."
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Originally Posted by Starr
Last time Zab was seeing birds he came back and won a few rounds but still lost the decision.
so he cant pull it out of the bag like Hatton... Glad we agree ;D
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Originally Posted by Lyle
...where have you been, Hatton said he's for a rematch.
I'll believe it when I see it.
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Originally Posted by SecondRoundKO
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Originally Posted by ImRipped
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Originally Posted by Lyle
...you might be "ripped" but you're also a little s-s-s-slow
Castillo was Floyd's first fight at a new weight as well. And after the decision, what does Floyd say? "Let's do it again."
Collazo was Hatton's first fight at a new weight as well. And after the decision, what does Ricky say? "Um, I think I'll go back down a weight class."
not very champion-like.
When asked by the media who he would like to fight next, Ricky Hatton responded by saying, "I will fight anybody out there, and I approve of a rematch with Luis."
Roy Jones also said he'd go to Germany to fight Dariusz. Talk is cheap.
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Originally Posted by SecondRoundKO
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
I disagree. I don't think that it was just that it was a bad night... I think that maybe Collazo needs a bit of credit here.
I think he needs a ton of credit. I think credit was a big issue in this fight. Let's face it. Who gave Collazo a shot? Other then Starr (who picks the underdog everytime it seems), noone viewed Collazo as a threat and I HATE to bring it up because under training is the worst excuse ever imo but it has to be a factor here. I mean, Hatton did ons of press for this fight, he was doing tons of press, and...well he just wasn't looking like the guy who fought Tszyu or Collazo.
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
One of two or three things needs to be taken into consideration...#1: Hatton started gassing out & his power fell off or #2: Collazo has one hell of a chin or #3: Hatton needs to be back @ 140 where he can dominate.
Hatton said in the post fight presser that he felt like a bloated 140 lber rather then a legit welter. His stamina is fine when he is in prime shape though, and his power carries fine. Ask Tszyu ;)
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
I don't agree with the majority of haters on here though...last night isn't that damning...but I do feel that he didn't deserve the nod...either that or a draw.
I thought he won the fight.
Didn't Hatton also say that he felt so much stronger at Welerweight and was going to go through Collazo ???
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Originally Posted by Saddo
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Originally Posted by Starr
Last time Zab was seeing birds he came back and won a few rounds but still lost the decision.
so he cant pull it out of the bag like Hatton... Glad we agree ;D
You don't know that because Hatton didn't have to go 5 more rounds after seeing birds ;)
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Roy NEVER said he'd go fight Daruisz in Germany...he said "WHY would I have to go to Germany, I'm the man, I'm in America this is where I fight"
