I ask because it sounds as if interest went down MASSIVELY!!! Most think Hatton will get crushed,what do you think? I personally want to see a Collazo rematch first BUT CAN Hatton do better?
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I ask because it sounds as if interest went down MASSIVELY!!! Most think Hatton will get crushed,what do you think? I personally want to see a Collazo rematch first BUT CAN Hatton do better?
I love Ricky and I think he is the best 140 lbs fighter out there at the moment - but as I've said before PBF imo is gonna be one of those guys like a Leonard or a Monzon that only comes along every 15 -20 years - pains me to say it, bt I think it would be a bridge too far for Ricky
So you don't want to see it? :o
I'll want to see it after Ricky has another fight to get used to 147
Still want to see it m8 - want to be proved wrong!! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by The Game
i would be more happy with 2 decent fights at 147, then if ready go for broke...Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
No, it would end up being a clinchfest with John Ruiz Jr I mean Ricky Hatton doing 90% of the holding.
Its not the first fight I'd like to see either guy do, but if Hatton were to get an impressive win over say Margarito or Gatti(if he wins) then yeah it would be a good fight. I think the ball is in Hatton's court to make a more impressive win. He could even move back down and fight Cotto, but he'd have to win and look good doing it. PBF needs to make the DLH fight or beat Margarito to solidify himself as the top welter then he can look to fight hatton.
Remember,Lil Floyd, says if it makes dollars,it makes sense,would this fight sell in the states though? Hatton should not fight Margarito,he would get knocked out like I said,the worry for me is that Collazo with only 12 kos had him out on his feet,I thought Hatton was about to go! :-\
If I was American and that was the first time I saw Hatton,I too would be wondering what the hype was about,I think he needs to finish Collazo in a rematch to quell the criticisms.
After a Collazo rematch and a Margarito fight for Floyd.
No, I would much rather see Hatton against the winner of Baldomir-Gatti in late July. Hatton has expressed interest in meeting the winner of Corrales-Castillo 3, and that sounds good too. Castillo is really not a lightweight anymore anyway, and could fight as a welterweight quite easily. Corrales is tall enough to move up to welterweight although his chin may be too weak at the higher weight. If Hatton moves down to 140 lbs. again, either Corrales or Castillo would be an excellent opponent at that weight.
I'm afraid that Hatton simply doesn't have the boxing skills to deal with Mayweather. Hatton-Mayweather would look a little like Hatton-Collazo except that Mayweather would do a better job everywhere in the ring. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if Mayweather expresses no interest in such a fight.
Basilio-Robinson...look it up
I think your right Hatton's best bet is to fight Cotto or the corrales castillo winer at 140 and hope PBF will come back down as well.
Yeah BUT would Floyd want Hatton? What would he get from it? You guys from stateside see Hatton as a big draw after the Collazo fight?Quote:
Originally Posted by SecondRoundKO
Cotto should be fighting Castillo in Cotto's last fight@140,Chico can't move up because his chin would be too weak leabing Gatti and Baldozar I guess.....Quote:
Originally Posted by mokele
If Floyd goes up to 154 to fight Oscar,I don't ever envisage him coming back to 140,that would just mess his body up!
I know, life's a bitch when you think your own fighter will lose to somebody...Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
shit, if Hatton were to beat Floyd.......there would be no such thing as a Hatton hater on this planet.
Yeah but only if Collazo blows him out. Hatton's fanbase + Floyd's will sell out any arena any day of the night.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Game
About as much as I wan't to see Mayweather vs. Sharmba Mitchell 2, Im afaid to say. And don't act like im hating on Hatton, im just not British and I had only seen one fight of his where I didn't like his tactics.. Now in this fight he couldn't use them, and imo that was part of why he looked terrible.. The other part was the speed and he can't make it at 147, like it or not that's where PBF is, Hatton would be best to stay away from this and PBF may not even bother with the fight anymore. That was a terrible performance by Hatton. im sorry.
:coolclick: I agree with the majority of this post.Quote:
Originally Posted by mokele
I actually want to see Hatton vs Gatti more than anything now. Then let him face Floyd...but I still say that he's gonna lose.
You stop & you look at the fighters that Floyd has beaten...the big names...& he's totally destroyed them...really. He gave Castillo hell & Castillo's a big boy. He recked Corrales...just wrecked him. He totally decimated Gatti. We all know to well what he did with Judah & that in itslef was damned impressive.
Now I know that people have to have high hopes & this & that...but Floyd has taken on all comers that are worthy (don't anyone say Margarito ::** ) & he has outperformed them. Floyd is not God & no man is an Island...but Floyd could go down as an undefeated as it stands right now...because after seeing Hatton Collazo...I just don't entertain the notion that Hatton could beat Floyd now...& I used to think that he was a candidate for that job.
I'm on your side. I gotta agree that Hatton doesn't have the boxing skills to deal with Mayweather...honestly...I'd have to question his durability also after seeing Collazo stun him as often as he did.Quote:
Originally Posted by mokele
Honestly...I want to see Hatton Collazo II before I see any of the names that Hatton has expressed interest in.
Collazo gave a damned fine showing of himself.
I do still want to see this fight. Boxing skills aside, Hatton makes exciting fights. He's always coming forward so his fights are rarely boring.
Plus I'd like to see how creative all the Hatton fans here can be when it comes time to get excuses for that loss!
But gate sales are only a small fraction of the purse--PPV buys are what drives this, and the US, being much bigger than the UK, is where the large majority of the potential PPV market resides. And Hatton only diminished his PPV interest in the states with Saturday's performance. He went from being a relative unknown here to being seen by most (fairly or not) as an overhyped guy who's had soft competition to camouflage his mediocrity.Quote:
Originally Posted by SecondRoundKO
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Originally Posted by shza
Hatton did NOT diminish his ability to sell here in the States. I am from the states and I know people in the states want to see.
They do NOT want to see a boxer like PBF.. They want to see a guy who is gonna be right there ALL NIGHT LONG.
You dont understand that I believe that his fan base here sure did grow.
Everybody I know is talking about Hatton and his great heart and the way he's in your face all night long.
All through my neighborhood people are saying he is a real fighter and not a pu$$y. In the U.S Warriors sell not boxers.......
Explain why PBF/Judah (slick boxer vs. slick boxer) sold more than PBF/Gatti (slick boxer vs. "warrior") then. I'm from the states too, and I'd much rather watch someone with skills that lands nice, clean shots than someone who bulls his way in, holds a lot, and ultimately squeaks by mediocre opposition. "Heart" is nice and all, but if you're good enough you shouldn't need it to barely get by a middling opponent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Salhadin
Warriors that know how to box sell, not guys that are only warriors when they're on the inside holding and punching...Quote:
Originally Posted by Salhadin
Holyfield was a warrior..hatton is not...
To the first guy, Gatti and PBF didnt sell because everybody knew that Gatti has no buisness being in there with PBF.
Just like Gatti/Hatton will sell more then PBF/Hatton.....you see?
Two sluggers will sell more then 2 boxers ALL DAY LONG.
We talk about these things all day long. Only Trainers want to see Boxers....
you think hatton v castillo will sell more than:
PBF v mosely
pbf v oscar
if you do you're crazy..
PBF v RAY LEONARD would sell more than PBF v Hatton
So PBF/Hatton won't sell as much as Gatti/Hatton because everybody knows that Hatton has no business being in there with PBF?Quote:
Originally Posted by Salhadin
I guess maybe we agree then. ;)
Hatton needs to fight Collazo again because the first fight was questionable. He's saying this and that about PBF, and PBF talks a lot, but PBF treats boxing with respect, he gave Castillo a rematch directly after a close call. I don't want to see Hatton vs Floyd anymore until Hatton gives better performances in the US. The one thing that I don't like about Hatton is that he doesn't seem to make adjustments. Hatton didn't adjust against Collazo, he didn't move his head more, he didn't throw coming in, he didn't do enough to take a champion's belt, and if some no name gave that same performance, Collazo would have won on points. If Hatton beats Collazo again, I'd like to see him fight either Gatti or Cotto. Those would be pretty good fights.
hehe you are right but.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
Hagler/Duran ( 2 sluggers) Would sell more then PBF V Ray Leanord all day in todays world, especially here in U.S
I can't wait to see them fight. It doesn't matter if there interest in the fight for Floyd at all. In fact, if we really want to see the fight we have to make it seem like Floyd will have no problem walking through Hatton. That way we can get his courage up. When has Floyd fought the fights we wanted to see anyway?
Courage? LOL.Quote:
Originally Posted by Entragian
To answer your last question, people had been calling for PBF Judah for years, and I remember tons of people on this very forum saying that Judah was the one guy who could and would beat Floyd. PBF got that fight set before Judah blew it against Baldomir, but then Judah loses in the meantime and people get upset because Floyd went ahead with the fight anyway, as if he knew Judah was going to lose in between. Throw in Castillo twice (the second time an immediate rematch, just like "we wanted to see") Corrales (who many predicted would win), and a few others, and the result is a resume far more impressive than Hatton's one fight versus Tsu, two fights against short-term paper champs and a bunch of tomato cans in Europe.
If you need more, consider that while Floyd's gettting set for one or the other of the bigger, stronger ODH or Margarito, Hatton's talking about going down in weight to fight Floyd's leftovers from years ago in Castillo/Corrales.
Or maybe you were joking? Because it was pretty funny. :D
Jesus Christ some of you guys aren't smart at all. Castillo and Corrales had the greatest slugfests ever. Tell me why their second fight only had 225,000 buys. Because people knew what they were getting and there was no intrigue. Plus, neither of the guys had ever truly headlined a PPV. Hatton is undefeated and WBA welterweight champ of the world, but he won't be a PPV draw in the US. Why? Because people don't wanna buy slugfests, people want to buy drama. PBF-Gatti sold because it was "Villian vs Hero" and "Apollo Creed vs Rocky" all rolled into one, most people knew Gatti didn't have a shot, but bought to see it anyway, PBF-Judah sold because PBF was on every station saying that he was gonna knock Judah out and most boxing people knew they're history, it was intriguing, Jones Jr vs Tarver III sold because people wanted to see if RJ was back or if Tarver really shot Jones's career down, Mosley-Vargas sold because it was basically a "winner gets back his old glory" type fight, ODLH-Mayorga sold because Mayorga is a wildman and people want to see if ODLH can get back his glory. There is more to PPV than just boxing. Hatton vs Gatti would not be a great PPV draw because both guys are fairly boring, but it would be a pretty good fight. Hatton vs PBF would be so overblown by HBO, they would have Countdown to PBF vs Hatton and everything, that would be a fight that sold 500K-700K buys on PPV. Hatton vs Gatti would be lucky to get 200K buys. If I want to watch a slugfest, I can turn on ESPN classic, if I want to watch an intriguing matchup of different styles and personalities, I'll buy it on PPV.Quote:
Originally Posted by Salhadin
BTW, Gatti PBF did over 300K, well over HBO's expectations for both Floyd and Gatti's first time as PPV headliner.
Floyd's fights I always wanted to see: vs Castillo (did twice)
vs Corley (did)
vs Judah (did)
vs Corrales (did)
vs Gatti (did)
etc..etc... (I mean I can still going on and on)
what really WAS the handicap in Floyd's fan appeal is what he used to do OUTSIDE the ring and all of his bashing, mouthing and trash-talking, plus his cockiness and arrogance. Didn't Ali had all of this obscure "attributes" too? Leonard also portrayed great deal of the same; Floyd is upgrading his PPV sales lately and is maturing into a household name not just for the local media but worldwide.
I'm sure the Golden Boy is strongly attracted to a mega showdown with PBF. This fight is to generate more revenue and meaning to even casual fightgoers as well as hardcore diehard boxing fans around.
Hatton is taylor made for the European "wave" and was wisely managed to endure in that soil not beyond those bundaries. I can see clear factors working against the Ricster if ever to fight in Vegas or The Garden. How you folks envision Steve Smoger or Cortéz, to name few of them, if they ever set to put the order in a Hatton fight at the MGM in Sin City? What kind of rush Hatton's gonna get to increase his stamina drive if ever to fight, let say Margarito, Coralles or Castillo, inside of a hostile pro-mexican crowd in Nevada or portorrican holligans in the Garden against Cotto?
In my modest opinion, would be wise for Hatton going back to Warren's nest and continue doing his domestic epical wrestlings loved by his followers.
At the moment, as it stands... no I don't want to see this fight. I do want Hatton to redeem himself though and make me want to see this fight because I was so damn excited before!
Woah,feedback in general seems to be pretty negative but let us not forget people,Floyd fought a Sharmba who lost a couple of fights before fightinh im,he fought Zab who lost 3 of 6 so I don't think we can rule out Floyd fighting Hatton,agains the question being whether it makes money.
Don't you people think that it would make for an exciting encounter? To be honest,I still think Hatton would do well....just no where near as well as I thought. What if he does not give Collazo a rematch? How do you see a Hatton Gatti fight going? I still think he would beat Gatti comfortably.
Great point, and a great fight. That's exactly why I still want to see Mayweather v Hatton.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
CC, you are the first person to actually reply about that. I mean size, skill, and everything else were in Robinson's favor and Basilio still won the first fight and the second fight was just as close!Quote:
Originally Posted by SeanE
Thanks. I'm an ESPN Classic Boxing junkie, and I watched the Ringside on Ray Robinson. The interview/discussion with an wisecracking old Basilio was great. No logic or reason can explain the result of the fight, it just came out that way. Basilio is a great analogy to Hatton. They were both stocky, strong guys about 5'6" with great workrate and pitbull mentalities. SRR was the greatest ever, but the pressure got to him. By the end, it seems like he just couldn't believe that Basilio was still coming.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
The potential for Basilio/Robinson is exactly why I want to see this fight. Styles make fights, this is exactly the kind of style contrast that makes for all-time great bouts.