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>:mad and yet the "independant" group is supposedley satisfied?
FUCK THAT, I HEREBY OFFICIALLY STRIP THIER RIGHT TO CHALLENGE OUR GOVERNMENT BECAUSE THEY OBVIOSLY ARE IN NO WAY INDEPENDANT
FUCK THOSE ASSH(OLES, AND IF YOU CHOOSE TO BELIEVE THIS BS GOVERNMENT TELL ME WHY AND ILL DISPUTE >:mad >:mad
.....Why would our own government attempt to destroy it's own Military HQ ???
hypothetically...
if they hit the pentagon it creates the belief that they themselves were under attack
here is the video
http://www.judicialwatch.org/flight77.shtml
Where did that flight go then?
this is the touchy part, people start to think i claim to know what happened to the plane, and i dont, but if you need an explination i can theorize...
for all we kno the plane was comendeerd and blown up in a hanger somewhere
we do know that some of the supposed hijackers are still alive http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/1559151.stm
btw, i dont know how the fuck to spell comendeered
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Originally Posted by SecondRoundKO
Perfect excuse to invade Iraq for oil
Can't believe how Niaeve some of you lot are :o
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Originally Posted by Smashup
I've got the loose change and In Plane Sight videos. They are pretty scary, the evidence they present is hard to ignore. The falling trade towers, the zero remains of a plane at the pentagon and that other site where a plane went down etc.
It really does seem very dodgy to me.
I didn't believe them at all though until I saw the government vid trying to prove it was a plane. Like you said it was the crappest video ever. I mean there must be a trillion cameras at the Pentagon it's one of the highest security places in the world and yet that is all the footage they have?
Hmm I smell some bullshit here. >:mad
I mean you can't go more than a couple 100 yards in the uk at least without being caught on CCTV, and your car gets caught speeding every few hundred yards, yet a plane crashes into the centre of the only World Superpower's military headquarters and no cameras caught it on film! It really angers me, surely there must be some piece of evidence of film footage somewhere ???
Very suspect.
an interesting concept is presented here
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles...giantpsyop.htm
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The fact that they have again chosen to release grainy and foggy images which only lead to more speculation tell us two things.
1) The government truly is frightened to death of releasing any images which accurately depict what happened at the Pentagon because it doesn't jive with the official version of 9/11.
2) Or the government knows that Flight 77 hit the Pentagon and has clear footage of the incident, but is deliberately releasing these speculative images in order to stoke the debate so it can later release the high quality video and use it to debunk the entire 9/11 truth movement.
The media obsession with this one facet of an entire smorgasbord of 9/11 questions, and their refusal to address more hardcore 9/11 evidence, leads us to fear the latter explanation is the case.
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While intelligent questions need to be asked about what really happened at the Pentagon we feel that research in this context should come with the proviso that a potential trap is being laid to discredit all 9/11 research at a later date, and that today's story is part of that process.
Sal and Secondround,I love your reading you guys posts and threads on these political issues and I am interested in political events of the world today too,so I recommend you go this website...www.informationclearinghouse.com
Basically run by Americans but they take Bush's cock out of their mouth's and tell it like it is. I also have a DVD by Americans who argue and show logical arguments to prove that September 11 was a massive conspiracy. I'm not a big fan of conspiracies BUT this seriously made me believe! I'll find out the name,you guys have to see it. For example,did you know,JUST before the plane hit,there was a flash inside the plane which you can only see if you watch it in slow motion? Download a clip,watch it in super slo mo and check it out. Did you know that there appears to be a black box attached under the first plane? A black box commonly associated with the US military(sorry I can't remember specifics!) AND some of the supposed hijackers are actually still alive in Syria?!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/1559151.stm
^ the story about some of the accused hijackers still being alive
What are you theories on September 11 Sal? Sorry to go over old ground but I was not a member here so just interested to hear what you have to say.
ive revised the previous arguments into more of a list
this is an attempt to answer some of the questions, but it is all theoretical
if you believe the government did this, you have to assume that Al Quiada is more of a fabrication, and if the group DOES exist independentley from the CIA, would they not take credit? I remember in all the Bin Laden embassy bombings prior to 9/11 there was ALLWAYS something left behing that DIRECTLEY admitted involement. I was shocked when they didnt immediatley take credit.
If not, why does Al-Qaeda repeatedly take credit for the attacks?
if they are a REAL terrorist organization, not affiliated with the CIA, would they not want people to think they were capable of destruction of that magnitude... makes it seem more likeley people will give into thier demands.
If so, doesn't Al-Qaeda hate the U.S.? Why would Al-Qaeda help members of the U.S. government if they hate us?
The theory would indicate that they took credit to further thier reputation, but in reality the only admission on the part of Al Quaida was a video of a man who CLEARLEY was NOT osama bin laden. The fact that they benefitted from the occurances does not indoicate they dont hate capitalism.
- How many people (civilian, military, government) do you believe were involved in the entire 9-11 conspiracy...from the planning, funding, operation, and cover-up?
now you have to assuame that rumsfeld, or maybee cheney was in on it, mainly because of the war games, whoever had the authority to schedule the war games taking place in alaska WERE in on this. OK,
THE WAR GAMES
on that morning there were war games taking place iver Alaska, in which false targets aree placed on the radar (which is standard); however the targets on this day were false hijaked aircraft, which means when the actual hijakings were called in the pilots already had about 20 hijaked aircraft on thier radar, and had no idea any were real, therefore tyhe military was held back WITHOUT having to know, so whoever told whoever to set up these war games MUST have been involved in accrodance with the theory.
did bush know, i dont know, i think maybee someone told him they had a plan that could lead to war or something and maybee he said he liked that idea, i dont really think he would have personally endorsed that, unless maybee he felt pressured to do so. It would seem that at least one person who knew tried to warn others, as many senators seemed to have been given warnings about traveling on that day, but to answer the question, if we knew everybody involved, we could prove it.
The planning for the attacks were in the works long before GWB took office...in fact GWB was only in office for less than 8 months when the attacks happened. Was the Clinton Administration also involved in the conspiracy?
The consensus seems to be that Cheney had had something like this in mind for a while, as he was told something along the lines of needing another Pearl Harbor to get the people to want war. In reality, yes if this was done by untrained arabs it would take years of preperation, but if it was done by our government and BILLION dollar military it could be pulled off in under 2 months.
If not, was Bush's election in 2000 part of the conspiracy?
It seems that was just a side note, if not for Jeb Bush the G may not be president right now, but thats most likley unrelated.
Do you really think that Republicans rigged the entire 2000 election?
Just Florida, and it really payed off, BUT you dont have to believe this to believe the 9/11 theory, they are in no way related. most likley kerry was just a front, he had the same agenda, his past is heavily intertwined with that of bush
If they're that powerful, why did they let it come down to the Florida recount?
Beacause at that time, Florida was the extent of thier power. I guess they got lucky and the election ended up coming down to Florida, but thats not a concern anymore, more important travesties have occurred.
Why not just make Bush win a few other States and not leave it to chance?
G Bush's reletives were not in office in other states, i guess they just figured that they could take a big state, maybee they had some equation that said if we win florid the religious vote will win enough other states.
- The WTC towers began their collapse at the exact point of the structural damage caused by the plane crashes. There is definitive video footage showing the collapse starting and progressing from this point.
THERE IS VIDEO EVIDENCE THAT THE TOWERS FALL AT MAXIMUM VELOCITY, WITH NO FLOOR SLOWING DOWN THE SPEED OF COLLAPSE AT ANY TIME.
If bombs were planted and used to bring the buildings down, who planted them?
Controlled Demolition?
...how many people were involved in the planting?
it has been theorized it coud have been pulled of by 10 people making a set number of trips (i forgot the number)
the explosives could have been placed in lighting fixtures, under the guise of building maitenence
...how did they manage to coordinate the exact spot of the plane crashes and the planted bombs?
they didnt need to, they had bombs every 20 feet
how did they know that planting bombs so high up would still cause the towers to collapse?
This is not what is being proposed, what is being proposed is a COMPLETE demolition, NOT just simply planting bombs high, as THAT WOULD NOT CAUSE THE BUILDINGS TO COLLAPSE. It would have to be a complete layout, the entire building, ON AN INTERESTING NOT, controlled demolition claims that they will break apart any steel structure into segment no bigger then the truks you have to carry them away. Amost all the steel fount at the WTC was broken into less then 20 foot long segments.
- If the reason for the U.S. government committing the attacks was so that they could have a pretext to go to War in the Middle East, why did Bill Clinton not need such a terrorist attack when he bombed Iraq in 1998?
Because he didnt commit ground troops, or declare war. Ground troops are needed to procure oil.
- Why would Americans kill Americans so they could go after those who want to kill Americans?
MONEY MY FRIEND
- If the conspiracy if so vast and so involved, why didn't the same conspirators just plant WMD's in Iraq as soon as they saw that none would be found?
BECAUSE THAT IS THE MOST CRUCIAL ELEMENET,
AS LONG AS PEOPLE ARE ANGRY ABOUT WMD's and hassling the government about failed intelegence they will have forgotten about the inconsistencies of 9/11, anything to do with WMD not being found helps to cover up what happened on 9/11.
It seems that it would be much easier to plant some WMD evidence than to commit the entire 9-11 attacks and cover-up.
the WMD scandall is intentional, and used to ensure that any negetive publicity is aimed toward the iraq war, and not 9/11.
If these conspirators are so powerful, so numerous, and so able to rig an election and commit the 9-11 attacks, why are we even living here in America?
WTF DO YOU MANT ME TO DO? FOR ALL WE KNOW LESS THEN 10 PEOPLE ACTUALLY KNEW WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN.
They've got so much power over the entire world...we might as well just give up......
I HOPE TO RISE ABOVE THIS
my questions...
WHY DID THE GOVERNMENT LIE ABOUT HAVING VIDEO OF THE PENTAGON INNCIDENT
WHY WERE SOME OF THE HIJACKERS PROVED TO STILL BE ALIVE?
WHY WAS THE EVIDENCE DESTROYED IMMIDIATLEY?
WHY DID THE PENTHOUSE ON TOP OF BUILDING 7 COLLAPSE INTO THE REST OF THE BUILDING WHEN THE FIRE WAS ON THE LOWER FLOORS?
WHY DID MOHAMAD ATTAS PASPORT SURVIVE THE CRASH?
WHY DID STEEL MELT FROM A SUBSTANCE THAT BURNS WELL BELOW THE MELTING POINT OF STEEL IN AN OXYGEN STARVED ENVIORNMENT?
theres alot of S*** about the virtual stand down that i find the most disturbing...
(THE WAR GAMES
on that morning there were war games taking place over Alaska, in which false targets were placed on the radar of fighter jets, which is used for training, however the targets on this day were false hijaked aircraft, which means when the actual hijakings were called in the pilots already had about 20 hijaked aircraft on thier radar, and had no idea any were real, and even if they realized there were too many false blips to distinguish between real and false, therefore the military was held back WITHOUT having to know.)
here is a forum that is based on the 911 truth movement
http://letsroll911.org/
Dude,your questions echoe mine to point!!!!! Also,personally speaking,I do not believe that there is such an organisation as Al Qaeda. It is just a name to give the enemy,to identify,nothing more.Al Qaeda is arabic for the base and it was just a record of all the fighter who fought against the Soviets. Of course some groups in Iraq may have adopted the name but that is for a different purpose. Secondly,how the fwook is Bin Laden going to control what happens in America from a tiny hole in Afghanistan? Like I said before,I am not too big on conspiracies,usually because they just are a load of nonsense but this one makes too much sense!
Also,to say that a passport survived the crash is a load of rubbish!! What about the white van WHICH EYEWITNESSES SAW,containing suspicious looking men? There are many theories but I do indeed believe that Bush had knowledge of the attacks and I do not believe Bin Laden had as much to do with it as perviously thought/suggested. I have never seen him admit to it,merely praise it for causing America pain. Also,to take an entire country to war for want of 1 man was incredulous,what do you think about the Afghan invasion Sal? Also,you know about casualties from war,they have lost thousands more than are quoted in the official statistics?
i gotta get to sleep 4 now, i will converse more tommorow,
btw, ive seen dozens of the videos pointing out the anomalies of 911, and there are two that are unlike the others
911 eyewitness is a very unsuggestive video, ive talked to the guy who shot the footage and he said he wanted to just present raw footage without suggesting anything, and leave it up to the viewer...
but this one http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...%2Blaw&pl=true
this is called marshal law and it is fucking fascinating, t first its nothing profound, he just shows the RNC and the extended police presence, but like 30 minutes in it gets real interesting, shit ive never heard before, you gotta see that one
Cooooool bro,thanks for that! Owe you a cc tomorrow and after I have seen it,I'll let you know what I think. Have a good night's rest. Peace.
Hi kids, Dale Gribble here
http://www.pinhut.com/blog/dale.jpg
My good freind Hank Hill does not beleive that our own Goverment would attack itself, hello Hank.
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Hello Dale.
http://boards.marihemp.com/boards/ma.../tn_127644.jpg
So Hank, Peggy tells me you don't beleive me?
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No Dale, and furthermore I think its Crazy. Almost as crazy as you're absurd theory about Zab Judah being the best P4P fighter in the world.
http://www.donklephant.com/wp-content/HankHill.jpg
Open up your mind Hank, its a big conspiracy... the global underground Lizard people don't want you to know about! That plain was crashed so that men like you can use your credit card with out sufficating. Now if you'll excuse me...
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as for the afganistan invasion...Quote:
Originally Posted by The Game
it borders iraq, they just wanted to position troops within range of iraq
i dont know about the casualties, but there hasnt been an anti-american "insurgency" for a while now, there are two types of muslims blowing each other up trying to gain controll of iraq and our soldiers are getting caught in the crossfire
http://www.prisonplanet.com/911.html > fuckload of links
alex jones tends to be a little too infused on the whole illuminati thing, i think he reads a little too much into it, but i believe myself that there is a consensus among officials, that in a sense is a type of illuminatti
alex jones claims that the US used Bin Laden to pull off the attacks, while others believe that the US did it completley on its own, i dont want to assume anything because there are people who will point out you are wrong about ONE thing and assume all other claims must be false
(btw, its 20pt, words under the pics ;)) ;D
something interesting, a while back, maybe 7 months ago, on network news (i think it was fox, channel 5 NY) there was a story done about a town called islamville or something, and they were saying that islamville was a training camp for terrorists, well they built up like a terrorsit training ground was gonna be exposed...
well they send a reporter in and the town turns out to be a town of black muslims, NOT arabs, and the reporter asks them about terrorists, and they tell him they believe that bush pulled off 911...
of corse they started to put the inhabitants of muslimville down for the remainder of the piece...
it was islamvillie or muslimville NY
here are a few video links, some of these i feel are a little too sugestive, im pretty sure all the links still work
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...ful+Deceptions
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...acy&pr=goog-sl
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...911+eyewitness (this one is verry non-suggestive from what i remember)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...9&q=plane+site
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...4&q=plane+site
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...8&q=plane+site
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...ose+change+911
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...q=Loose+Change
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...%2Blaw&pl=true
Ha, Sal... you're so excited over this you didn't notice me make fun of you and Zab :P
i caught that, but i didnt want to take away from the subject by defending judah, i DO believe judah is the P4P best, but thats an opinion, and its based on skill, not outcome of fights
I'll be dead before I let a serious discussion get past page 3 with out turning stupid in here :P
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Sal - do you bang the keyboard in a manic way and froth while you do these posts?
Wow.
:o
1. If it was a government set up why didn't the government do a better job such as remote controlled planes, leaving debris that would correlate with their story?
2. What did the government do with all the people reported missing? 0
3. Was there some sort of secret advert offering people a new life, did these people just bugger off to warmer climates in some government scheme leaving their families & kids to mourn their deaths?
4. Or did the government force them all off their planes and dispose of them?
5. What did the government gain by pretending a plane went down in a field?
6. If these people can prove it wasn't a 747 that hit the Pentagon why can't they prove what it was?
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It's all a big cover up! The real mastermind is....Reverend Jerry Falwell!
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IT WAS GOD'S PLAN
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I KNOW YOU'RE SCURRED
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BUT DON'T BE SCURRED
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GOD KEEPS YOU CLOSE TO HIS HEART
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TINKY WINKY IS STILL GAY
A purse & the upside down triangle thing above his head?
The gayest entity ever.
Gay gay gay.
Sal - Are you looking at me? Huh? Huh? Are you looking at me? Are you fucking looking at me?
http://www.jokaroo.com/extremevideos/plane_vs_wall.html
scroll down to see it
the plane evaporated on impact...... just like at the Pentagon
it is fun to be a conspiracy theorist. One does not have to think logically at all or spell pentagon for that matter.
did you get a chance to read the popular mechanics article?
sal the link you posted looks interesting alas I don't have the time to watch it :-\
enjoy this instead
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...q=jello+biafra
see, your wrong, AND FUCK THE SPELLING OF A PROPER NOUN, wtf does that have to do with logic flowQuote:
Originally Posted by Mad_Dog
there is no lack of logic, i am not claiming to know what happened, i am saying that the video released DOES NOT show a plane, and there are over 80 other videos that were confinscated and not released
the collapse of the WTC was in no way a direct result of impact and fire, the buildings were built to NOT LOOSE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY FROPM 2 PLANE CRASHES!!!
also, FIRE DOES NOT MAKE STEEL BUILDINGS COLLAPSE!!!
there is NO known occurance of a steel structure collapsing from fire, what does popular mechanics say about this?
http://www.pentagonresearch.com/control.html
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SIX POSSIBILITIES
This page is what I call “thinking out loud”. There are a limited number of possibilities for what did or did not happen at the Pentagon. It gets even narrower when you add an aircraft to the scenario. A plane, a missile, explosives and purposeful human deception are all possible considerations.
I believe understanding the pros and cons of each major possibility before diving into the evidence creates a framework for interpreting what we see. Somewhere in the descriptions below IS the truth of what happened. It doesn’t mean it was one or the other. A classic sign of misinformation is to have two separate but probable causes embedded into the same situation.
The sidebar contains background information on the various considerations. To fully understand the implications of flying a 757 for the first time, the one entitled "Amateur Pilot" is recommended.
PROS & CONS
1) Hani Hanjour Flew the Aircraft Per the Official Story.
This theory just says what we were told is what happened.
Pro: This means the official story was correct and our government didn’t lie to us.
Con:
a) The complex plot was never discovered.
b) Hani Hanjour was denied the rental of a Cessna 172 after evaluation by a certified flight instructor 3 ½ weeks prior to 9/11 because of poor flying skills.
b) How did 19 Arab hijackers get past security on four flights at three separate international airports with knives, box cutters, mace and bombs according to the 9/11 Commission report?
c) How was he able to navigate from the Ohio/Kentucky border and locate the Pentagon despite never having flown a 757-200?
d) Why were there no interceptor aircraft dispatched as he violated the most secure airspace in the United States?
e) Why did he pass the unprotected White House and the front of the Pentagon which would have caused catastrophic damage and where high-level officials had their offices?
f) How did he perform a 270 degree turn with a 7000 foot altitude drop with military precision and bring the aircraft under control to remain just off the lawn, yet place a 12 foot diameter fuselage between floors 1 and 2 of the Pentagon which is only 14 feet?
g) Why did he target the only section of the Pentagon that had just been reinforced with blast-resistant features and was the least populated area of the Pentagon?
h) Why did he select the only wedge of the Pentagon that had physical obstacles in the flight path and required a last second altitude change to level out in order to strike between floors? The other 4 sides of the building had no obstructions, no elevation change, were more populated and hadn't been renovated with blast-resistant features.
i) He would have needed extraordinary discipline, skill and concentration to maintain control of the aircraft at 506 feet per second to hit 5 lamp poles, a fence, a generator, two trailers and a tree while subtly adjusting altitude prior to striking the Pentagon.
j) Hani Hanjour's name did not appear on the official passenger manifest.
k) The FBI claims to have remains of all 5 hijackers. None of them have been positively identified as Hani Hanjour.
l) If this scenario is true then releasing the videos and physical evidence would be no problem.
2) Flight 77's Controls Were Remotely Overridden With No Hijackers Involved.
This idea assumes that Flight 77 was flying along and that the controls were remotely overridden. The technology for this does exist. The hijacker story would have been just a cover. It accounts for the missing crew, passengers and aircraft. If the crew had been somehow disabled then distress signals would not have been sent. It also accounts for no hijackers being positively identified by autopsies.
Pro: It simplifies the hijacking and piloting skill issues.
Con:
a) It creates a perpetrator(s) that needs to be identified.
b) It may require additional electronics or software installed on the aircraft.
c) A conscious pilot would most certainly have been shutting down flight systems while broadcasting distress signals and radio transmissions.
d) If this scenario is true then releasing the videos and physical evidence would be no problem.
3) Flight 77's Controls Were Remotely Overridden With Hijackers On Board.
This story implies that the aircraft was actually hijacked (maybe proposed as a drill) but the hijackers didn't know the true intent of the plot. It accounts for the missing crew and passengers.
Pro: If the pilots were removed from the cockpit then the hijackers wouldn't have known how to respond to flight control override and the mission would have been successful. It explains the precision of the attack path.
Con:
a) It creates a perpetrator(s) that needs to be identified.
b) It requires 19 people in possession of weapons to avoid detection on 4 separate flights at 3 different international airports.
c) It still leaves us with all of the piloting, navigation and maneuvering issues of an inexperienced pilot up to the override.
d) It may require additional electronics or software installed on the aircraft.
e) If this scenario is true then releasing the videos and physical evidence would be no problem.
4) Trained Suicide Pilot (not a hijacker).
This assumes that somebody was willing to take an aircraft and sacrifice their life to crash the plane.
Pro: This is simple and leaves one less witness.
Con:
a) This is highly unlikely.
b) It creates a perpetrator(s) that needs to be identified.
c) Since this aircraft would be unoccupied except for the pilot we are missing 58 people (I have subtracted the 5 hijackers).
d) This requires destroying a very expensive piece of equipment. If it was tail number N644AA then a cover-up involving American Airlines too.
e) If this scenario is true then releasing the videos and physical evidence would be no problem except for the lack of passengers and crew.
5) Total Remote Control.
This theory purports that an aircraft (probably a military asset - see C-32A sidebar) was configured per the Operation Northwoods scenario with a civil airlines paint configuration. Then it would have been "swapped" with the real Flight 77 in a known radar hole near the Ohio/Kentucky border. The plane that impacted the Pentagon would have been unoccupied from takeoff to impact. It also allows for the possibility that the aircraft was detonated prior to impact which fits witness reports in some cases.
Pro: This explains the extraordinary precision of the flight. It makes sense of the fact that whatever did hit the Pentagon suddenly appeared "out of nowhere" on radar at 9:10 a.m. with no radio contact and no transponder.
Con:
a) It creates a perpetrator(s) that needs to be identified.
b) Since this aircraft was unoccupied we are missing 58 people (I have subtracted the 5 hijackers).
c) This requires having a very expensive piece of equipment unaccounted for.
d) It implies that AA N644AA would have to be destroyed, hidden or have its identity changed (which is addressed in Operation Northwoods) that would involve American Airlines.
e) It would also involve Boeing since an aircraft would have to be acquired and destroyed without records.
f) It probably requires a fairly good sized ground crew to remain silent.
g) It would most likely require practice runs.
h) If this scenario is true then releasing the videos would be no problem. Physical evidence would be a problem since serial numbers and specific parts would vary.
6) No Aircraft at All.
This concept is based either totally on controlled pyrotechnics, a missile, or a combination of both. It does fit evidence at the Pentagon.
Pro: There is evidence for a shape charge being used to create the exit hole. The second frame of the DoD video shows the “aircraft” having a white vapor trail at ground level like a missile. The same frame shows a fireball that is more similar to explosives than a jet fuel explosion. Donald Rumsfeld made a statement about a missile hitting the Pentagon. This theory reconciles eyewitness reports of multiple explosions and accounts for some of the anomalous building and fire damage seen at the Pentagon. It significantly reduces the number of people involved to carry it out (Inside the building they would have had the cover of the renovation construction project going on). Two eyewitnesses reported smelling cordite, a by-product of explosives. It explains the lack of large 757 debris at the Pentagon. It explains why no intercept aircraft were dispatched because there would have been no plane for them to target. It makes sense of the government's adamant refusal to release any of the video or physical evidence they have possession of. See the "Explosives Only" sidebar for details.
Con:
a) It creates a perpetrator(s) that needs to be identified.
b) This requires sophisticated explosive experts and resources.
c) It implies faking all of the light poles and damage evidence preceding the building.
d) It discounts ALL eyewitness statements of an aircraft.
e) All aircraft parts would have to have been planted (which is described in Operation Northwoods).
f) Since no aircraft was involved we are missing 58 people (I have subtracted the 5 hijackers).
g) There were no direct eyewitness reports of a missile.
After looking at this list objectively the theory with the most cons is the official story. The theory with the most pros is the explosives theory. The planting of aircraft parts in that theory was addressed in Operation Northwoods. The faking of the damage preceding the Pentagon wall and reconciling the eyewitness accounts with no aircraft is difficult to explain. The "Eyewitness Page" does show some irreconcilable variations of what people claimed to see that would cast doubt on the veracity of at least some of those claims. The theory of the crew being disabled and the aircraft being flown remotely works perfectly with the available technology, accounts for the destruction of an aircraft and the missing crew and passengers. The theory most aligned with Operation Northwoods is the remote control aircraft swap theory. This possibility is backed up by there being a military 757-200 in the inventory.
The number one question asked by people in regards to any theory that involves the missing passengers and crew is, "What happened to the passengers and crew?" I don't have a good answer for that. The only thing I can say is that Operation Northwoods referred to an aircraft that, "would be loaded with the selected passengers, all boarded under carefully prepared aliases" that will later be taken to an "auxiliary field.....where arrangements will have been made to evacuate the passengers". They go so far as to mention conducting, "funerals for mock-victims". So assuming they believed this would work in 1962 it seems possible they would consider it feasible in 2001. Flight 77 would have had nearly 3 out of 4 seats empty that day.
Remember, none of this would be in doubt if the government decided to prove the hijackers presence on the plane, explain the aircraft's disappearance/reappearance on radar, give us a solid explanation for why intercept aircraft were not dispatched until two minutes before Flight 77 impacted the Pentagon, release the videos the FBI is in possession of, take a media contingent to witness, record and verify aircraft debris, and positively identify the remains of the hijackers. All of the above would require a second independent verification in public view. That would make this website unnecessary.
What I find to be so funny....
People acting like they know exactly what a giant plane with a full tank of jet fuel will do when flown into a skyscraper, who hasn't seen that scenario played out? It's old news to me, we did it for fun back in the day O0
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On the day of 9/11 there were multiple air defense exercises and emergency drills being conducted with some of them having an eerie similarity to what actually happened. These drills took intercept aircraft out of their areas and even caused confusion for agencies switching from an "exercise" to a "real-world" scenario. Imagine being ordered to practice for hijackings and planes flying into buildings and then finding out that it was really happening. Nothing like it had ever happened before - what are the chances?
Once again we find precedent for this in Operation Northwoods. Part of the plot was to use air defense drills as a cover for the shootdown scenario they planned to emotionally outrage Americans in order to justify the invasion of Cuba. They had the aircraft armed so that when the exercise went "real-world" they could respond. They even wanted the innocent pilots to be the ones to discover the planted aircraft debris so that they "would have a true story as far as they knew". The following paragraph is a partial quote from that element of their plan with a link to a searchable version of the document to see the other details.
"Approximately 4 or 5 F-101 aircraft will be dispatched in trail from Homestead AFB, Florida, to the vicinity of Cuba. Their mission will be to reverse course and simulate fakir aircraft for an air defense exercise in southern Florida. These aircraft would conduct variations of these flights at frequent Intervals." Operation Northwoods
The rest of this page provides various quotes and information about the drills and their history. A paragraph with a bold name at the end of it means that you can find more details in the corresponding sidebar. They link to outside articles. To fully appreciate this topic in detail read the links at the bottom of this page.
"In what the government describes as a bizarre coincidence, one U.S. intelligence agency was planning an exercise last Sept. 11 [2001] in which an errant aircraft would crash into one of its buildings.....'It was just an incredible coincidence that this happened to involve an aircraft crashing into our facility,' Haubold said. 'As soon as the real world events began, we canceled the exercise'." National Reconnaissance Office
North American Aerospace Defense Command had just begun Operation Northern Vigilance. For this military operation, it deployed fighters to Alaska and Northern Canada to monitor a Russian air force exercise in the Russian Arctic and North Pacific Ocean, scheduled for September 10 to September 14. NORAD
"The September 11, 2001 attacks occurred during that year's Global Guardian and Vigilant Guardian joint exercises.....Lt. Col. Dawne Deskins, who said 'everybody' at NEADS first thought the attacks were part of Vigilant Guardian." U.S. Strategic Command
"The Federal Aviation Administration received repeated warnings in the months before Sept. 11, 2001, that al Qaeda hoped to attack airlines, according to a previously undisclosed report by the commission that investigated the terrorist attacks.....The report detailed 52 such warnings to FAA leaders between April 1 and Sept. 10, 2001, about the terrorist organization and its leader, Osama bin Laden." FAA
What if I told you that a key player on the day of the 9/11 attacks and afterwards was on a committee that considered airliners used as weapons in 1972? What if I told you that person was Rudolph Giuliani? Would you believe me?
"Nearly three decades before the Sept. 11 attacks, a high-level government panel developed plans to protect the nation against terrorist acts ranging from radiological "dirty bombs" to airline missile attacks, according to declassified documents obtained by The Associated Press.......The group was formed in September 1972 by President Nixon after Palestinian commandos slaughtered 11 Israeli athletes at the Munich Olympic Games.....The committee involved people as diverse as Henry Kissinger to a young Rudolph Giuliani, the once-secret documents show." Mayor Giuliani
"President Bush named Kissinger to lead the 10-member commission last month, dropping his longstanding opposition to an independent probe of the events leading up to the September 11 terrorist attacks." It was also probably just a coincidence that Henry Kissinger was asked by Bush to be the original head of the 9/11 Commission. Henry Kissinger
Way back in 1962 a plot that involved hijacking and "crashing airliners" was hatched by the Head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff to justify the U.S. invasion of a country. In 1972 the future Mayor of a city that would be attacked 19 years later by hijacked aircraft studied the possibility of airliners being used as weapons with the man to later be appointed the original head of the 9/11 Commission.
From 1991 through 2001 military drills with similarities to the 9/11 attacks were conducted including an airliner crash into the Pentagon. The FAA had been warned 52 times of the possibility of hijacking's in the 5 months preceding 9/11. On the morning of 9/11 drills were being played out that pulled our military intercepts away from responding and that were potentially so similar to the actual events that the military and the FAA were confused switching from the "exercise" to the "real-world".
Also that very same morning in a "bizarre coincidence" an intelligence agency was having an exercise of a plane crashing into a building in Washington D.C. just a few miles from where a plane, according to the official story, really did hit a building. The plane just happened to hit the only wall of the building that was just finishing being reinforced the very same week in case of a terrorist attack. The Captain of the flight that reportedly hit the building had actually worked in the exact offices that were destroyed where he had planned anti-terrorism strategies until 1996. Then 27 days later the U.S. President invaded a country, then another and is now posturing for yet another.
"Had I known that the enemy was going to use airplanes to kill on that fateful morning, I would have done everything in my power to protect the American people." George Bush