Wlad to fight Toney in September?

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17.05.06 - Matt Stein: According to the latest boxing gossip, Wladimir Klitschko's trainer, Emanuel Steward, has mentioned James Toney, including Calvin Brock, Sergie Liakhovich, as a possible next opponent for Wladimir's first title defense in September, with Toney being the most likely opponent due to contractual problems with the other two. If a bout with Toney can, indeed, come true, it would be a stroke of genius on the part of the Klitschko camp, for Toney (69-3-3, 43 KO's) is the far more marketable fighter of the three, and could give Klitschko (46-3, 41 KO's) a good fight, even if Toney will likely get beaten into the ground in the end.

Either way, this is a win-win situation for both fighters, since James Toney would get another shot at a heavyweight title, after having fought to a draw against the WBC heavyweight champion, Hasim Rahman, on March 18, 2006, in a fight that Toney came into looking overweight.

However, even with the extra weight, Toney made it close throught, often taking the fight to the bigger Rahman. While for Wladimir, a fight against a crafty fighter such as Toney, presents the perfect opportunity for the big Ukrainain to showcase more of his boxing skills for the public, since Toney will probably be able to stand in, at least for awhile, under Wladimir's awesome fire storm of punches.

For Toney, this would be his third attempt at a heavyweight title, after having beating John Ruiz for the WBA title, which was sooner after changed to a "No contest," when Toney tested positive for a banned substance. There was never a rematch, however, so Toney never had a chance to redeem himself against Ruiz. Nevertheless, Toney is a formidible opponent, when in shape, and could present problems for Wladimir, if Toney can get inside to land his punches. However, at 5'9", 230 lbs, getting inside may present a huge obstacle against the giant 6'6" 240 lb, Klitschko, who prefers to fight mostly on the outside, using a powerful left jab, left hook, and straight right, to dominate his foes. The big challenge for Toney, would be trying to get in range of Wladimir, without catching something big on the way in. Chris Byrd, the last fighter who attempted to do this, found out the hard way that it's not too easy, in the process of a six round knockout loss, to Wladimir.

I see the fight as being completely one-sided, with Wladimir, after a slow first few rounds, soon pinning the 37-year-old Toney against the ropes, and unleashing a flurry of right hand, left hook shots, and dropping Toney for the ten count. Toney, like a true warrior, could probably make it up and try to continue fighting, before being snowed under by a landslide of Wladimir punches, causing the referee to step in and end the brutal one-sided affair.

It depends on how much James Toney weighs.

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Originally Posted by Starr

It depends on how much James Toney weighs.

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somewhat, but i don't see him winning, or even going the full 12, regardless. if he comes in as fat as he did last time though, he's not lasting more than 4 or 5.

in the past ive suggested that toney can beat wlad, these days im not convinced that i wasnt clinically insane.....wlad: byrd, total beat down.....toney: rahman, fat and mediocre....

toney would actually need to change his approach to training entirely and at this stage i just dont know if he has it in him....he doesnt seem to grasp the significance of coming into a fight in shape any more.....

i would love to see toney pull something out of the hat, but that could well be just wishful thinking...

James Toney won't get in the ring with Wlad.... just watch

If Toney comes in under 220 I'll support him. If he turns up fat again I'll be cheering for Vlad to knock him out. The Rahman performance was a disgrace that proved 2 things: (1)
Tony is much more skilled than most heavies (2) you cant beat a top ten fighter with a donut diet and no roadwork

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Originally Posted by mucho testosterone

James Toney won't get in the ring with Wlad.... just watch

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I would love to see that fat ugly B****** get his smile knocked out the back of his neck. Wlad in four, and Toney laying his ugly a** on the canvas. Just look at this guy, He is one ugly racist pig! The fooker look like Porky pig.

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James isn't racist he's crazy. Don't be blinding through hate to ignore the skills. he actually has a big chance to upset Wlad depending on his weight.

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James isn't racist he's crazy. Don't be blinding through hate to ignore the skills. he actually has a big chance to upset Wlad depending on his weight.

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I know he is talented Starr I just don't like the guy.

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James isn't racist he's crazy. Don't be blinding through hate to ignore the skills. he actually has a big chance to upset Wlad depending on his weight.

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To quote Brad

"we can have a good time here without talking like that :)"

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Originally Posted by Starr

It depends on how much James Toney weighs.

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Exactly. He comes in weighin bout 220, he'll outbox Wlad's ass for sure. And pound HIM into the ground. This article is a fukin joke. Just a Toney hater talking stupid shat.

Lighter, fatter, its all the same. His ass is going down. I really don't see Toney winning this or even coming close. In shape or not, he will taste the canvas if this fight happens.

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Lighter, fatter, its all the same. His ass is going down. I really don't see Toney winning this or even coming close. In shape or not, he will taste the canvas if this fight happens.

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Toney is a lil better than a hard headed aging Byrd. Wait and see, if this freakin fight even materializes. September is a long ways away anyhow.

Toney may be difficult for Wlad for a few rds, but once Wlad gets in his comfort zone Toney's in TROUBBBBBLLLLLLEEEEEEEE!!!!!

if jt use's his head and comes in at 210 he just might make a fight of it, as much as he's a foul mouth yob i'd love to see him become world champ

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James isn't racist he's crazy. Don't be blinding through hate to ignore the skills. he actually has a big chance to upset Wlad depending on his weight.

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No one can deny his skills but he has no motivation to lose weight and get properly fit
needs to do roadwork

I thought Freddie Roach was one of the best trainers but he let Toney get into the ring like that against Rahman

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Lighter, fatter, its all the same. His a** is going down. I really don't see Toney winning this or even coming close. In shape or not, he will taste the canvas if this fight happens.

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Toney is a lil better than a hard headed aging Byrd. Wait and see, if this freakin fight even materializes. September is a long ways away anyhow.

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This fight won't materialize. I really don't think that Toney wants any part of this. It's just not a good style match up for him.

But if they were to fight, Wlad would take about 3or 4 rounds to really find the target. Then once he does he's going to tee-off on Toney. I don't think that Toney has taken those kind of shots before.

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James isn't racist he's crazy. Don't be blinding through hate to ignore the skills. he actually has a big chance to upset Wlad depending on his weight.

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To quote Brad

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And Brad is right, hence the post has been modified ;D

Wlad will not fight Toney...what the fuck has Toney done to earn a shot at Wlad?

Wlad will fight either the winner of Brock-T. Ibrigamov or the winner of Ruiz-S. Ibrigamov.

More than likely Calvin and Sultan....those are the guys he would gain the most for beating...though I would pay money to see him beat the spare tireS off of James Toney

I actually want to see this. I think if Toney actually comes to the fight in shape and has prepared correctly I think he might have a change. Because in the past when he's in shape he's a hellava good fighter. But on the flip side if he doesn't then Wlad is going to walk all over him. I just want to see if Toneys chin is as good as he thinks it is.

who are you guys kidding. Toney would get KOED. Kltichko is a world class fighter. the last worldclass fighter toney got into the ring with, he was schooled. and that fighter was Jones. Wladimir is bigger and stronger than Jones. He has a longer reach than Jones. And with Emmanuel training him, no way Klitchko would let Toney in close where he likes to be. Vitaly would jab Toney's head off then KO him in round 8.

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Originally Posted by Starr

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Exactly. He comes in weighin bout 220, he'll outbox Wlad's ass for sure. And pound HIM into the ground. This article is a fukin joke. Just a Toney hater talking stupid shat.

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He can come in weighing anywhere from 200 to 450 he won't beat Wlad....not on a train, not on a plane, not with a fox, not in a box, etc.

Toney fans must be fucking crazy! Is he a power puncher? Does he apply hard pressure for 12 rounds? Can he take Wlad's shots?

We all know what beats Wlad and James Toney has NOTHING that can beat Wlad

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Exactly. He comes in weighin bout 220, he'll outbox Wlad's a** for sure. And pound HIM into the ground. This article is a fukin joke. Just a Toney hater talking stupid shat.

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He can come in weighing anywhere from 200 to 450 he won't beat Wlad....not on a train, not on a plane, not with a fox, not in a box, etc.

Toney fans must be F****** crazy! Is he a power puncher? Does he apply hard pressure for 12 rounds? Can he take Wlad's shots?

We all know what beats Wlad and James Toney has NOTHING that can beat Wlad

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I agree with you Lyle, what has Toney none to deserve the fight with Wlad...besides getting a gift draw with Rahman, but it don't matter because Wlad's gonna be the first to stop Toney.

I could give a shat about Tony earning a shot, I just wanna see this fuckin circus of a boxing match, it'll be great - David vs Goliath!

well...they're both goliath in reality

Does Toney have what it takes? HELL YES, but it depends how bad he wants it and how he trains! Toney can win or go all 12 rounds, but he has to be in shape & slick to beat Wlad

I think Wlad right now is just at the top of his game and would be too much for Toney, who's on the decline. Even if he wasn't on the decline, Wlad is too skilled of a big man who's only weakness, his chin, won't be exposed by Toney, who hasn't really brought any serious power with him to heavyweight. I do think Toney's tougher than Byrd and would last longer, possibly the distance, but would lose almost every round in doing so. He's just too small for Wlad.

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Originally Posted by mucho testosterone

James Toney won't get in the ring with Wlad.... just watch

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Agreed, if he does his heavy career stops there and then

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No one can deny his skills but he has no motivation to lose weight and get properly fit
needs to do roadwork

I thought Freddie Roach was one of the best trainers but he let Toney get into the ring like that against Rahman

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Roach is a great trainer if only his fighters listen and trusts him. Maybe Toney's just good that's why he box. Michael Moorer who Roach trained himself did not really like boxing; He was just good at it. Maybe the same case for Toney(Now)

I'd like for Calvin Brock to get 2 more top fights then go for Wlad

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I'd like for Calvin Brock to get 2 more top fights then go for Wlad

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CC just because its been a while.

I still think that Wlad will beat just about anyone in the division right now including Brock.

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Does Toney have what it takes? HELL YES, but it depends how bad he wants it and how he trains! Toney can win or go all 12 rounds, but he has to be in shape & slick to beat Wlad

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So that's a no then.

I mean if he has TO BE IN SHAPE then it's all over and James hasn't been hit with the power that Wlad has.....Toney better plump himself to Weeble size so he wobbles but he doesn't fall down, otherwise it's curtains for the fat man!

That sounds great...Wlad will slaughter JFAT & I will love it.

Good lookin out by Klitschko & company.

Toney that fought Ruiz{without steroids}- Has a decent chance.
Toney that fought Rahman-He might get his head knocked off.

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Toney that fought Ruiz{without steroids}- Has a decent chance.
Toney that fought Rahman-He might get his head knocked off.

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But if Toney needed the steroids to beat Ruiz...which he did...& then Toney needed them to beat Rahman...& we all saw that fight. He lost. PERIOD!

Wlad will slaughter him.

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Toney that fought Ruiz{without steroids}- Has a decent chance.
Toney that fought Rahman-He might get his head knocked off.

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But if Toney needed the steroids to beat Ruiz...which he did...& then Toney needed them to beat Rahman...& we all saw that fight. He lost. PERIOD!

Wlad will slaughter him.

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I wasn't picking Toney to win. And, I don't think he would win, but, If he came in shape at about 215-220{ha ha, yea right}, he might have a chance. I think Vlad's reach is too much, but Vlad's stamina, and chin come into question. Toney can go 12 rounds even when he is fat. If I had money to bet, it would be on Vlad, but after seeing Toney vs Jirov, you can't count him out of any fight.

James Toney is the most talented fighter in the heavyweight division today. If he come in decent shape, that's around 220, then he will defeat the giant doofus.