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Prime Tyson in the 70s
Imagine Mike Tyson as a Gold Medal winner in the '68 Olympics along with Big George. How would he fare during that golden era of Heavyweights?
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same trainer and everything IMO he would have beaten them all... Imagine him with 8 oz gloves...
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He would be among the top 3 or 4 best in the world. He'd KO Jimmy Ellis, Jerry Quarry(well TKO him anyway), Earnie Shavers(that'd be an interesting one), and Kenny Norton. Him and Fraizer would be real close, I'd give the edge to Joe though. But b4 he even got to Ali here is where is down fall would be...George Foreman. He'd be knocked silly. He'd also probably get a good ass whippin from Ron Lyle as well.
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Yeah right... George doesn't have his snapping power, speed or skill.. He would beat him, and Joe for the same reasons, and he would beat Ali because of his power and style.
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You don't think a 1971 Ali would beat Tyson?
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Tyson v Shavers- Tyson KO.
Tyson v Lyle- Tyson KO.
Tyson v Foreman- Tyson UD.
Tyson v Frazier- Tyson UD.
Tyson v Ali- Tyson KO.
Tyson v Norton- Tyson KO.
So IMO he would beat them all, in his prime he was amazing.
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Originally Posted by Taeth
Yeah right... George doesn't have his snapping power, speed or skill.. He would beat him, and Joe for the same reasons, and he would beat Ali because of his power and style.
George may not of been snappy but his hands were very very heavy, pure natural raw power.
He would knock out an opponent with these clubbing punches, and it would of been interesting seeing Tyson and George slug it out with each other....
I seriously doubt Tyson would of knocked out George but it would of been a war.
I don't think Tyson has ever fought anyone like George Foreman so it's up for debate really on how the fight would pan out.
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Originally Posted by cockey cockney
Tyson v Shavers- Tyson KO.
Tyson v Lyle- Tyson KO.
Tyson v Foreman- Tyson UD.
Tyson v Frazier- Tyson UD.
Tyson v Ali- Tyson KO.
Tyson v Norton- Tyson KO.
So IMO he would beat them all, in his prime he was amazing.
Sorry but I see Ali oulasting Tyson and Foreman kayoing Tyson in five.
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Tyson-Ali could go either way but no one who ever lived could take Tyson out in only 5 rounds, let alone a young Tyson. It took Lennox 8 rounds of almost uncontested strait rights to finish off old Mike.
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Originally Posted by ImRipped
Tyson-Ali could go either way but no one who ever lived could take Tyson out in only 5 rounds, let alone a young Tyson. It took Lennox 8 rounds of almost uncontested strait rights to finish off old Mike.
I am using your quote that no one could take Tyson out in five rounds. True, it took only four rounds for Danny Williams to do it. Just read your own quote. It makes no mention of an old Tyson so I take it you meant at any time of his career.
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Originally Posted by LuciferTheGreat
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Originally Posted by cockey cockney
Tyson v Shavers- Tyson KO.
Tyson v Lyle- Tyson KO.
Tyson v Foreman- Tyson UD.
Tyson v Frazier- Tyson UD.
Tyson v Ali- Tyson KO.
Tyson v Norton- Tyson KO.
So IMO he would beat them all, in his prime he was amazing.
Sorry but I see Ali oulasting Tyson and Foreman kayoing Tyson in five.
No need to apologise, your due your opinion as am i. IMO prime mike was a phenomenon, and think he would of beaten literally any heavy from any era.
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Originally Posted by cockey cockney
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Originally Posted by LuciferTheGreat
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Originally Posted by cockey cockney
Tyson v Shavers- Tyson KO.
Tyson v Lyle- Tyson KO.
Tyson v Foreman- Tyson UD.
Tyson v Frazier- Tyson UD.
Tyson v Ali- Tyson KO.
Tyson v Norton- Tyson KO.
So IMO he would beat them all, in his prime he was amazing.
Sorry but I see Ali oulasting Tyson and Foreman kayoing Tyson in five.
No need to apologise, your due your opinion as am i. IMO prime mike was a phenomenon, and think he would of beaten literally any heavy from any era.
Thanks for agreeing to disagree, have a CC
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Tyson vs Frazier
Tyson vs Foreman would be great wars but on the other hand, i dont believe tyson would beat Ali.
Their styles are complete opposites-tyson chases, ali dances. I could see Ali outpointing mike convincingly but a knockout win from mike i dont believe. Ali's recuperative powers could be seen against Frazier from that perfect left hook that sent him to the cavas. Ali would get off the mat in the middle rounds to outpoint tyson.
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Originally Posted by LuciferTheGreat
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Originally Posted by ImRipped
Tyson-Ali could go either way but no one who ever lived could take Tyson out in only 5 rounds, let alone a young Tyson. It took Lennox 8 rounds of almost uncontested strait rights to finish off old Mike.
I am using your quote that no one could take Tyson out in five rounds. True, it took only four rounds for Danny Williams to do it. Just read your own quote. It makes no mention of an old Tyson so I take it you meant at any time of his career.
Tyson twisted his knee ya silly bastard.
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Originally Posted by Sleepwalker
Imagine Mike Tyson as a Gold Medal winner in the '68 Olympics along with Big George. How would he fare during that golden era of Heavyweights?
in his prime he was untouchable...had tremendous boxing skills...people forget that he had one hell of a jab....look at the Spinks fight where he wipes away spinks left hand and crushes him with a right hand. without Cus and Kevin rooney and Teddy Atlas we probably would never talk about him...
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Originally Posted by ImRipped
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Originally Posted by LuciferTheGreat
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Originally Posted by ImRipped
Tyson-Ali could go either way but no one who ever lived could take Tyson out in only 5 rounds, let alone a young Tyson. It took Lennox 8 rounds of almost uncontested strait rights to finish off old Mike.
I am using your quote that no one could take Tyson out in five rounds. True, it took only four rounds for Danny Williams to do it. Just read your own quote. It makes no mention of an old Tyson so I take it you meant at any time of his career.
Tyson twisted his knee ya silly B******.
Boo hoo, Derrick Jefferson broke his fucking ankle and wouldn't let the ring doctor inspect, let alone stop the fight for a couple of roumds til the ref decided that jefferson sitting on the ropes had no chance of winning
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You are all crazy if you think Tyson would have a snowball's chance in hell vs BIG George Foreman!
Tyson wouldn't fight him in the 90's much less if he was in his PRIME!!!!
Tyson was rocked in his prime by Bruno!!! FUCKING Frank Bruno....Foreman doesn't hurt people and let them get away from him!!!
Tyson-Norton would be the one to watch, Norton carried big power but didn't like punchers.
Tyson-Ali is a bit closer than Ali-Patterson, just cause Mike was bigger than Floyd but he'd eat that jab and upper cut all night.
Tyson-Frazier would be GREAT! Frazier by UD though, he could take it and dish it out and his heart kept him in all of his fights except the ones with Foreman
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Originally Posted by Lyle
You are all crazy if you think Tyson would have a snowball's chance in hell vs BIG George Foreman!
Tyson wouldn't fight him in the 90's much less if he was in his PRIME!!!!
Tyson was rocked in his prime by Bruno!!! F****** Frank Bruno....Foreman doesn't hurt people and let them get away from him!!!
Tyson-Norton would be the one to watch, Norton carried big power but didn't like punchers.
Tyson-Ali is a bit closer than Ali-Patterson, just cause Mike was bigger than Floyd but he'd eat that jab and upper cut all night.
Tyson-Frazier would be GREAT! Frazier by UD though, he could take it and dish it out and his heart kept him in all of his fights except the ones with Foreman
Why would Tyson fight him in the 90s? He was in prison. And when he got out, George already got his @ss beat by Axel Schultz. Tyson beats all on that list except Ali.
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Um no if you remember the ENTIRE decade you would remember that Tyson got out in '95 and had the oppertunity to fight Foreman but was too scared to.
I don't blame him, I wouldn't want to fight George NOW!
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Originally Posted by Lyle
Um no if you remember the ENTIRE decade you would remember that Tyson got out in '95 and had the oppertunity to fight Foreman but was too scared to.
I don't blame him, I wouldn't want to fight George NOW!
Guess hooked on phonics didn't work for you huh? When he got out, George already got his @ss beat by Axel Schulz.
sorry
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ali and foreman would get the better of him
ali by UD
foreman by ko
a prime tyson could beat frazier and norton however
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Tyson v Shavers- Tyson KO in a firefight but Tyson's defense and counter punching would have knocked out Shavers on a counter.
Tyson v Lyle- Tyson KO, because Lyle was powerful but was open for straight rights, and Tyson had a very good straight right hand and Lyle had tendency to stand still and pose before he fired shots he would wait and thats when he could get caught in the shots. Lyle would be coming forward and catch Mike a few times but Tyson would get him like he got Bruno.
Tyson v Foreman- This would actually be one of Mike's easier fights and I'll tell you why. Mike Tyson was a very good counter puncher and had very good defense, Foreman was a monster(for his weight lol) But George threw very wide shots, shots from left field, and he would be caught in between those shots by a faster fighter, and Tyson was a fast fighter and he would catch Foreman in between those shots with his counters and then duck or slip back from them. Foreman would be caught walking in a lot and would be stopped late in the 11th round.
Tyson v Frazier- Tyson would win this fight via decision, a lot of people want to make a comparison between Frazier and Tyson when their styles are completely different, Tyson would catch Joe with the combinations as Joe would answer back. This would be a very close fight but I think the body punching of Tyson would wear Joe down, nobody back then hit as hard as Tyson with a single shot, so when Mike put combinations and counter punching with it he was a thrill to watch.
Tyson v Ali- It depends, this fight could go to decision but Ali at that time was winding down and it depends what part of the 70's, I see Ali winning a decision hitting Tyson with 1 2's and then tying him up. I see Ali winning a very very close decision but also swelling Tyson's eye with his jab.
Tyson v Norton- Tyson first or second round KO. If there's one thing Norton couldn't handle it was non stop pressure from a big puncher. Ali would charge at Norton and catch him in between his feints and get Norton in the first or the second round.
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Originally Posted by Starr
Tyson v Shavers- Tyson KO in a firefight but Tyson's defense and counter punching would have knocked out Shavers on a counter.
Tyson v Lyle- Tyson KO, because Lyle was powerful but was open for straight rights, and Tyson had a very good straight right hand and Lyle had tendency to stand still and pose before he fired shots he would wait and thats when he could get caught in the shots. Lyle would be coming forward and catch Mike a few times but Tyson would get him like he got Bruno.
Tyson v Foreman- This would actually be one of Mike's easier fights and I'll tell you why. Mike Tyson was a very good counter puncher and had very good defense, Foreman was a monster(for his weight lol) But George threw very wide shots, shots from left field, and he would be caught in between those shots by a faster fighter, and Tyson was a fast fighter and he would catch Foreman in between those shots with his counters and then duck or slip back from them. Foreman would be caught walking in a lot and would be stopped late in the 11th round.
Tyson v Frazier- Tyson would win this fight via decision, a lot of people want to make a comparison between Frazier and Tyson when their styles are completely different, Tyson would catch Joe with the combinations as Joe would answer back. This would be a very close fight but I think the body punching of Tyson would wear Joe down, nobody back then hit as hard as Tyson with a single shot, so when Mike put combinations and counter punching with it he was a thrill to watch.
Tyson v Ali- It depends, this fight could go to decision but Ali at that time was winding down and it depends what part of the 70's, I see Ali winning a decision hitting Tyson with 1 2's and then tying him up. I see Ali winning a very very close decision but also swelling Tyson's eye with his jab.
Tyson v Norton- Tyson first or second round KO. If there's one thing Norton couldn't handle it was non stop pressure from a big puncher. Ali would charge at Norton and catch him in between his feints and get Norton in the first or the second round.
i have to disagree foreman would be 2 much for tyson--tyson was ko by douglass--so just imagine what foreman can do 2 him--tyson aint known 4 his chin---foreman is 2 big 4 tyson---he would clobber tyson and ko him in 4
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Foreman was too big for Tyson ::** They both weighed 220. Foreman was KO'd by Ali, so just imagine what Tyson would do to him.
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Originally Posted by undefeated
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Originally Posted by Starr
Tyson v Shavers- Tyson KO in a firefight but Tyson's defense and counter punching would have knocked out Shavers on a counter.
Tyson v Lyle- Tyson KO, because Lyle was powerful but was open for straight rights, and Tyson had a very good straight right hand and Lyle had tendency to stand still and pose before he fired shots he would wait and thats when he could get caught in the shots. Lyle would be coming forward and catch Mike a few times but Tyson would get him like he got Bruno.
Tyson v Foreman- This would actually be one of Mike's easier fights and I'll tell you why. Mike Tyson was a very good counter puncher and had very good defense, Foreman was a monster(for his weight lol) But George threw very wide shots, shots from left field, and he would be caught in between those shots by a faster fighter, and Tyson was a fast fighter and he would catch Foreman in between those shots with his counters and then duck or slip back from them. Foreman would be caught walking in a lot and would be stopped late in the 11th round.
Tyson v Frazier- Tyson would win this fight via decision, a lot of people want to make a comparison between Frazier and Tyson when their styles are completely different, Tyson would catch Joe with the combinations as Joe would answer back. This would be a very close fight but I think the body punching of Tyson would wear Joe down, nobody back then hit as hard as Tyson with a single shot, so when Mike put combinations and counter punching with it he was a thrill to watch.
Tyson v Ali- It depends, this fight could go to decision but Ali at that time was winding down and it depends what part of the 70's, I see Ali winning a decision hitting Tyson with 1 2's and then tying him up. I see Ali winning a very very close decision but also swelling Tyson's eye with his jab.
Tyson v Norton- Tyson first or second round KO. If there's one thing Norton couldn't handle it was non stop pressure from a big puncher. Ali would charge at Norton and catch him in between his feints and get Norton in the first or the second round.
i have to disagree foreman would be 2 much for tyson--tyson was ko by douglass--so just imagine what foreman can do 2 him--tyson aint known 4 his chin---foreman is 2 big 4 tyson---he would clobber tyson and ko him in 4
The topic was prime Tyson, the Tyson that fought Douglas was no longer in his prime.
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Originally Posted by Lyle
You are all crazy if you think Tyson would have a snowball's chance in hell vs BIG George Foreman!
Tyson wouldn't fight him in the 90's much less if he was in his PRIME!!!!
Tyson was rocked in his prime by Bruno!!! F****** Frank Bruno....Foreman doesn't hurt people and let them get away from him!!!
Bruno could punch... ::**
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Originally Posted by smashcrusher
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Originally Posted by Lyle
Um no if you remember the ENTIRE decade you would remember that Tyson got out in '95 and had the oppertunity to fight Foreman but was too scared to.
I don't blame him, I wouldn't want to fight George NOW!
Guess hooked on phonics didn't work for you huh? When he got out, George already got his @ss beat by Axel Schulz.
sorry
And Mike didn't want to fight him from 89-91 either smart ass
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Originally Posted by AdamGB
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Originally Posted by Lyle
You are all crazy if you think Tyson would have a snowball's chance in hell vs BIG George Foreman!
Tyson wouldn't fight him in the 90's much less if he was in his PRIME!!!!
Tyson was rocked in his prime by Bruno!!! F****** Frank Bruno....Foreman doesn't hurt people and let them get away from him!!!
Bruno could punch...  ::**
Like Foreman???
Look at Tyson, compare him to Frazier then look what Foreman did to Smokin Joe and tell me Tyson could survive that!
Tyson was KO'd by Holyfield...you know the guy everyone said didn't punch hard enough to be the best heavyweight out there
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george foreman would win because he has his own grill,a man with his own grill is unbeatable.
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Originally Posted by cockey cockney
Tyson v Shavers- Tyson KO.
Tyson v Lyle- Tyson KO.
Tyson v Foreman- Tyson UD.
Tyson v Frazier- Tyson UD.
Tyson v Ali- Tyson KO.
Tyson v Norton- Tyson KO.
So IMO he would beat them all, in his prime he was amazing.
i agree with all of those outcomes just not all of the means of getting there :coolclick:
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Originally Posted by smashcrusher
Foreman was too big for Tyson ::** They both weighed 220. Foreman was KO'd by Ali, so just imagine what Tyson would do to him.
Foreman was 6'4 and Tyson was a generous 5'10....chump
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Originally Posted by Lyle
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Originally Posted by smashcrusher
Foreman was too big for Tyson ::** They both weighed 220. Foreman was KO'd by Ali, so just imagine what Tyson would do to him.
Foreman was 6'4 and Tyson was a generous 5'10....chump
size isnt everything lyle ::** ;D
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prime tyson is fast and elusive, he doesnt eat punches...and foremans would hurt, admittedly...
tyson would knock him out....
and dont let me hear this tyson was scared of foreman stuff, it doesnt prove anything when we talk prime for prime....
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Originally Posted by miles
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Foreman was too big for Tyson ::**  They both weighed 220.  Foreman was KO'd by Ali, so just imagine what Tyson would do to him.
Foreman was 6'4 and Tyson was a generous 5'10....chump
size isnt everything lyle  ::**  ;D
It is when you fight Tyson...name a guy that was smaller than Mike that beat him (who wasn't a lawyer)
Foreman was taught by Sonny Liston and he knew Mike's game better than Mike...the mental side of it.
Mike always got hit by uppercuts, his whole career and ONE uppercut from Foreman would have Tyson on his ass. Big George could take a punch. Ali didn't so much KO him as George KO'd himself.
And honestly there isn't ONE great top 10 all-time heavyweight I would favor Tyson against.
Not any of these guys: Louis, Marciano, Ali, Foreman, Frazier, Dempsey, Johnson, Charles, Liston, Lewis, Holyfield, or Bowe
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Originally Posted by Lyle
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Originally Posted by miles
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Foreman was too big for Tyson ::** They both weighed 220. Foreman was KO'd by Ali, so just imagine what Tyson would do to him.
Foreman was 6'4 and Tyson was a generous 5'10....chump
size isnt everything lyle ::** ;D
It is when you fight Tyson...name a guy that was smaller than Mike that beat him (who wasn't a lawyer)
but size here means height and i think tyson would do an awful lot better than frazier....
tyson would stick around and foreman would be tested...
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am i wrong? ;D
prime for prime for prime, tyson is up there with anybody....
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Yes you're wrong....who did Tyson beat? I kinow he didn't beat a Prime All-Time great like George Foreman did several times!
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Originally Posted by Lyle
Yes you're wrong....who did Tyson beat? I kinow he didn't beat a Prime All-Time great like George Foreman did several times!
to quote einstein "all things are relative"....tyson was as good as he could be in his era....doesnt mean he couldnt beat the guys of the 70's....
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Originally Posted by Lyle
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Originally Posted by AdamGB
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Originally Posted by Lyle
You are all crazy if you think Tyson would have a snowball's chance in hell vs BIG George Foreman!
Tyson wouldn't fight him in the 90's much less if he was in his PRIME!!!!
Tyson was rocked in his prime by Bruno!!! F****** Frank Bruno....Foreman doesn't hurt people and let them get away from him!!!
Bruno could punch... ::**
Like Foreman???
Look at Tyson, compare him to Frazier then look what Foreman did to Smokin Joe and tell me Tyson could survive that!
Tyson was KO'd by Holyfield...you know the guy everyone said didn't punch hard enough to be the best heavyweight out there
No... but getting caught clean on the chin... looking rocked and coming back firing off some one who can hit very hard but not as hard as George Foreman doesn't really proove a thing about the outcome of a fight... a punch is a punch... if one hits you clean you'll get rocked...
The accumilation of punches is what got Tyson when Holyfeild beat him... now the power... did you watch the fight or read boxrec? ;)
Tyson is similar to Frazier but now the same... he's the same type of fighter but moved and attacked differently.. ergo different fight...
I'm not calling for either guy but you're using redundant facts to try and prove you argument.
