How Does Taylor Beat Winky?

I'm stealing a line from Oumafan (where has he been? I haven't seen him in days, way to long >:mad ;D) and asking one of these. What do you think Taylor has to do?

I heard Emmanuel Steward say that the way Taylor is going to win is by making Winky be the agressor and take him out of his element but I really don't get this because that would be putting his fighter out of his element. No matter how hard they train in the weeks leading up to this fight, Taylor will always be accustomed to fighting while pressing forward and if he does indeed apply this gameplan then he will have to figure out how to avoid the jab of Winky and het off shots of his own. I don't know I just think the whole plan doesn't make much sense. It's not like Winky is an all defensive fighter, he has a great jab and his straight left isn't something to be taken for granted. If he does do that then I expect a very ugly yet lopsided win for Winky. That would be bad imo.

I think that the one way to penetrate Winky's defense is to shoot through the middle. I think that a fighter with a good straight 1,2 would give Winky trouble. I remember after the first Hopkins fight the thing the Taylor camp vowed to do was straighten up Taylor's straight right. It was very loopy in the first fight and that cost him a lot of oppurtunities at clean shots because his set up was perfect but the loopiness of his punches had a lot of punches just glancing Hopkins instead of connecting flush. Then he came into the second fight and had the same problems. For Taylor's sake I REALLY hope they are straessing straighting up his right hand because if he can open Winky's defense with his hooks and even his jab to some degree, then shoot up the middle with the right hand, then I would give him a good chance to win. So basically, I think he just has to spread the defense of Winky with lead hooks and jabs and then shoot through the middle with the right. That only works if he doesn't have that loopy right hand it's straight. As of now though, I don't see him doing much more then landing on anything other then Winky's gloves and arms.

Your thoughts?

My thoughts? I think Taylor silences his critics by destroying Winky Wright.

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

My thoughts? I think Taylor silences his critics by destroying Winky Wright.

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How though? Do you think he just overwhelms him or do you think Winky is overrated? Why do you think that? Have to say I disagree. I can envision a somewhat close to decision due to lack of offense or spectacular blows on Winky's part but the only way I see a blowout is if it is in Winky's favor. I DEFINITELY don't see a KO happening.

I don't see it a blowout in either guy's favor ... either could win IMO... Taylor wasn't blown out by Hopkins who very hard to fight against, and I don't think he will be blown out by Winky.

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Originally Posted by SecondRoundKO

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

My thoughts? I think Taylor silences his critics by destroying Winky Wright.

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How though? Do you think he just overwhelms him or do you think Winky is overrated? Why do you think that? Have to say I disagree. I can envision a somewhat close to decision due to lack of offense or spectacular blows on Winky's part but the only way I see a blowout is if it is in Winky's favor. I DEFINITELY don't see a KO happening.

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Taylor would not attack a 40 year Hopkins. He won't attack Wright. Wright will force the fight. In turn making Taylor's very good jab the controlling factor in the fight. Wright will also see that the punches from the naturally bigger Taylor will hurt more than the ones that came from the smaller Mosley and Trinidad. Everybody thinks its a bad fight for Taylor. I think it's a bad fight for Wright. I have the same gut feeling for this that I had for Hatton-Collazo. Not my fault they took it from Collazo.

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

My thoughts? I think Taylor silences his critics by destroying Winky Wright.

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How though? Do you think he just overwhelms him or do you think Winky is overrated? Why do you think that? Have to say I disagree. I can envision a somewhat close to decision due to lack of offense or spectacular blows on Winky's part but the only way I see a blowout is if it is in Winky's favor. I DEFINITELY don't see a KO happening.

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Taylor would not attack a 40 year Hopkins. He won't attack Wright. Wright will force the fight. In turn making Taylor's very good jab the controlling factor in the fight. Wright will also see that the punches from the naturally bigger Taylor will hurt more than the ones that came from the smaller Mosley and Trinidad. Everybody thinks its a bad fight for Taylor. I think it's a bad fight for Wright. I have the same gut feeling for this that I had for Hatton-Collazo. Not my fault they took it from Collazo.

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He did attack Hopkins, it just took him a little while (His first big fight I think he was a little jirttery) but it happened eventually, especially in the second fight. He pressed the action (though there was hardly any "action" that fight.)

Taylor is a notch above anyone Winky has ever fought. I think Jermaine will just be alittle too much for him.

straights to the body

BHop tried every trick in the book so to Taylor being a lefty is about the only new one Winky has up his sleeve.

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Originally Posted by Samson3000

Taylor is a notch above anyone Winky has ever fought. I think Jermaine will just be alittle too much for him.

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I wouldnt go so far as to say Taylor is a better boxer than Mosely but the fact is Taylor is a natural Middleweight and Mosely is a natural Welterweight. Most people agree that Taylor was thrown in with Hopkins a little too soon so who's to say he has improved further.

Winky is in for a rude awakening. ;)

Personally...I don't think that Taylor beat Hopkins.

I always gave Winky the best chance of beating Hopkins.

The only thing that Taylor can hope for in beating Wright IWO is to catch him with a power shot that actually lands flush...something that he was never able to do with Hopkins.

Either that...or the "close to hometown knod".

Wright has to much experience for Taylor & he's got one hell of a chin.

i think that winky can beat taylor....it took taylor everything he had to get past a wily 40 years old hopkins, winky is a different kettle of fish entirely....

a different style, very difficult to land clean on and has bags of experience.....will be a close fight but i think winky can edge it....

pressure pressure and volumes of punches

he already has hes going to get in the ring with him its already a victory

how does taylor beat Wright? he doesnt... Wrights forearms are so long that when he puts his hands up he covers his face and the long forearms protect virtually all of the space below... You need to get through winky's guard to beat him... Sorry Jermain this is Winky's time.

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Originally Posted by Samson3000

Taylor is a notch above anyone Winky has ever fought. I think Jermaine will just be alittle too much for him.

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HUH? you put Taylor above Trinidad and Mosley? Are you serious?

How could taylor not be better than trinidad and mosely? Trinidad was TKOed by hopkins. Trinidad was once a great fighter, but thats no more. Winky beat a pathetic trindad that stuck his face out asking to be hit, and he also had no kind of offense. All winky did was jab the whole fight (and taylors jab is quicker with double the power). Mosely is a very good and quick boxer but hes a very small man. He has no power against a middle weight. Ive been to Jermains fights and ive seen both winky and mosely at them and they walked up the stairs beside me. They are both very small. Im only 6 foot. Im from arkansas and ive seen Jermain many times. He's bigger, stronger, and more athletic than anyone winky has ever faced. To compare a good but to little mosely and a once great but now washed up trinidad to Bernard Hopkins is ridiculous. Hopkins may be 40 years old but hes still got it. Hopkins is much more difficult to hit. He moves his feet and ducks and sways, while winky doesnt. Winky does have a good cover up but hes by no means hard to hit. Look at the Winky Soliman fight. Personally i dont see how soliman made it to be pro, and he beat the mess out of winkys face. Yes, he may have been sick and it was a close fight but the facial swelling tells it all. One more point is that Winky has no killer instinct. Ive never once seen winky hurt someone and keep applying pressure. He has a lazy boxing style. Taylor does have this. Great fighters no when to apply pressure such as Oscar De La Hoya. Yes Oscar lost to hopkins too but hes also to small of a man for the middlewieght division. I would like to see Oscar and winky fight. Im not saying winky is a bad fighter but hes too small of a man for Taylor. I believe without a doubt Talylor will win by TKO or lopsided UD.

He doesn't beat Winky. Winky UD.

winky wright all the way for me

I like Taylor and I hope he wins, I'm looking forward to the fight and I think Taylor might edge it. I also like Winky but I watched the Taylor-Hopkins fight and Taylor by no means fought badly even though he didn't knock him out.

I am just amazed that no-one can beat Winky.I mean when you think about it,he just stands there!! Anyway,Taylor needs to throw everything and the kitchen sink at Winky,hooks,uppercuts etc get him to taste the power of a true 160 pounder. However,if he was unable to open up against B-hop,what will change here?Hmmm,he now has more experience I guess?In all honesty,I only see one outcome,UD Winky all th way.

He doesnt beat Wright..he loses..Winky will win this fight in the later rounds.

Taylor can't win!

Winky has never faced true 160 power. Hes never faced a true middle weight and Taylor just got through dismantling the best one of this decade. I wonder why no one ever predicts a winky knockout? Could it be that he never does?

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Originally Posted by fatsandy

Taylor can't win!

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Taylor is bigger and has more power than ANYONE Winky has ever fought before...Taylor just got done with 24 rounds with Bernard Hopkins the best middleweight of the decade.

Jermain is athletic and fast and he's versitile which Trinidad and Mosley weren't.

Dude mosley has short little arms taylor would murder him, please use your head winky is a great fighter but use your heads, winky waints on his oppnents Im telling you taylor will not be in range he deosnt have to be

I was comparing Winky's best fights (vs Mosley and Trinidad) with Taylor's best (vs Bernard Hopkins)...I said Taylor is more diverse than either Mosley or Trinidad and he's bigger and faster too

wait, when did jt dismantled B-hop I really dont seem to remember that. does anyone else?

Taylor was given (and I do mean given) the decisions against Hopkins because he's seen as the up-and-coming young phenom, and the 'future' of the middleweight division: with the Champion on his way out, they need a new horse to ride! Hopkins just didn't do enough early enough to force the decision the other way - Taylor won, but don't say he beat the man.
Size aside (see RJJr. as a 'heavyweight'), the smarter, more skilled boxer usually wins. The fight goes to Winky.

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Originally Posted by arogue

Taylor was given (and I do mean given) the decisions against Hopkins because he's seen as the up-and-coming young phenom, and the 'future' of the middleweight division: with the Champion on his way out, they need a new horse to ride! Hopkins just didn't do enough early enough to force the decision the other way - Taylor won, but don't say he beat the man.
Size aside (see RJJr. as a 'heavyweight'), the smarter, more skilled boxer usually wins. The fight goes to Winky.

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Roy was light years ahead of huggy bear in terms of hand/foot speed and reflexes, you think Winky has such an advantage over Taylor?

maybe it will just come down to as basic as who can nullify the others jab.

His jab is longer, stronger, faster... Winky can't hurt him... Winky doesn't have the same footwork, movement, or ability to use the ring that HOpkins did. Taylor imo has enough power to break through Winky's guard.. HOpkins is imo better than Winky was even as a defensive p4p fighter alone... Not to mention a bigger challenge at middleweight.. Hopkins moved so much more than Winky, he actually used the entire ring and slipped/ducked almost everything, making Taylor miss all the time.. winky never does that, maybe because he has never fought an opponent who was strong enough to break his guard, probably because he doesn't have the speed.. Im going out on a limb and saying Taylor in a lopsided UD, it will be Winky who won't have any answers for him.

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Originally Posted by a4mrmarine

wait, when did jt dismantled B-hop I really dont seem to remember that. does anyone else?

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Who said anything about "dismantling"??? I said fighting B-Hop over 24 rounds was better than Winky fighting Mosley or Tito

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Originally Posted by Lyle

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Originally Posted by a4mrmarine

wait, when did jt dismantled B-hop I really dont seem to remember that. does anyone else?

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Who said anything about "dismantling"??? I said fighting B-Hop over 24 rounds was better than Winky fighting Mosley or Tito

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And don't forget that Mosley gave Winky an almost even fight in the rematch.... Certainly that isn't more of an accomplishment than Taylors fights with Hopkins.. Not when we're talking about the middleweight division..

Emanuel Stewart -

"No, I'm developing a completely different strategy for Jermain to use," Steward said. "That (throwing hundreds of shots) is not the nature of Jermain. He doesn't throw a whole lot of punches like a Simon or Sam Soliman so I'll have devised a strategy for him which is based on what he does well. That a fast jab, power, pressure and intelligent (selection) of shots.

"A big part of winning this fight is developing a very complicated strategy to negate Winky's defense. Offensively, Wright is a good fighter, but he can't punch like Jermain. It is all about negating that defense."

secondsout.com

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Originally Posted by Hairdoo

Emanuel Stewart -

"No, I'm developing a completely different strategy for Jermain to use," Steward said. "That (throwing hundreds of shots) is not the nature of Jermain. He doesn't throw a whole lot of punches like a Simon or Sam Soliman so I'll have devised a strategy for him which is based on what he does well. That a fast jab, power, pressure and intelligent (selection) of shots.

"A big part of winning this fight is developing a very complicated strategy to negate Winky's defense. Offensively, Wright is a good fighter, but he can't punch like Jermain. It is all about negating that defense."

secondsout.com

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good quote (coolclick)

damn...
tough fight.
its hard to give predictions :-X
but ill take winky.
cuz hes a boxer.
great defense
great jab
great chin
great power
well maybe got some power only
but hes far too good for taylor yet
cuz i think taylors trainer is a dumba*s creep
he better make his punches short and crisp
and never throw those wild looping right hand bombs
cuz hell be wide open
he must fight on the inside for him to lessen the efficiency of
winkys killer jabs

thats all folks... :-\

i hope who ever wins that he wins convincingly so we all dont biotch that someone got robbed ::**