Why do British people do this to British fighters?

As a long time reader of this forum but not a poster til now, all people seem to do is constantly deride British boxers. Since the Ricky Hatton fight, and before it, people have been slating him. It is almost as if people are wishing him ill. He is in the top 10 p4p fighters and is the most successful active British boxer at the moment, but it seems that people will not stop badmouthing him until he has won everything. Howsabout a bit of support?

This seems to be similar to Lennox Lewis. When he was fighting evrybody constantly slated him, and even when he did things like knocking out Tyson it was 'Only because Tyson wasn't in his prime' and against Klitschko he was lucky. Rubbish! Sure he was losing on points, but Klitschkos eye was a mess and had the fight been allowed to continue his vision would have continued to deteriorate and Lewis would have knocked him out or won points IMO.
However now Lewis has retired people are beginning to look back onhim with fonder memories. Instead of looking back fondly we should support fighters while they are active.

Why is everybody so negative?

FACT: Ricky Hatton has not been beaten by anybody yet
FACT: Ricky Hatton has called out PBF (monster payday for both, if Hatton is so shite why doesn't PBF fight him and take a big purse and his belt, or perhaps PBF doesn't think it would be that easy?)

Anybody who takes the Collazo fight seriously is a dummy. Ricky entered that ring at 160lbs! It was almost a laughing stock. Kerry (Kayes) had only seven weeks to add 5lbs of muscle to Ricky's frame, and that was obviously going to slow him down (he looked so big, slow and sloppy against Collazo compared to his usual smaller, tighter, sharper self that it's not even funny).

To put this into perspective, Ricky entered the ring against Stewart at 146, against Oliveira at 148 and against Tsyzu at 147 (Tszyu was 149). Against Collazo, Hatton entered the ring at 160. It was an amateurish mistake by his whole team (and TV backers) to move up in weight at such short notice when his only problem making 140 was often having to eat upto seven meals a day during camp to keep the weight up near the 140 mark!

i aggree with ya mate. but trust me sometimes its not even worth bothering cos your fighting a losing battle. hatton always gets slated on here. its only really the brits that try and defend him (like myself) but it doesnt really make a difference cos of the dumbass posters on here that slag him don't seem to like him so don't take any notice of what you say.
it makes you laugh sometimes though 'hatton is a little bitch'. that kind of shit. they haven't got a clue.

And let's not forget, Ricky didn't train as intense as usual or diet as strict as usual- he couldn't afford to. His team felt he needed the weight on or he'd be punched around the ring or knocked down by the naturally bigger guy.

Yes i agree with your point, but end of the day he got the w whihc is important, and why can't people support that?

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Originally Posted by chrisbird13

As a long time reader of this forum but not a poster til now, all people seem to do is constantly deride British boxers. Since the Ricky Hatton fight, and before it, people have been slating him. It is almost as if people are wishing him ill. He is in the top 10 p4p fighters and is the most successful active British boxer at the moment, but it seems that people will not stop badmouthing him until he has won everything. Howsabout a bit of support?

This seems to be similar to Lennox Lewis. When he was fighting evrybody constantly slated him, and even when he did things like knocking out Tyson it was 'Only because Tyson wasn't in his prime' and against Klitschko he was lucky. Rubbish! Sure he was losing on points, but Klitschkos eye was a mess and had the fight been allowed to continue his vision would have continued to deteriorate and Lewis would have knocked him out or won points IMO.
However now Lewis has retired people are beginning to look back onhim with fonder memories. Instead of looking back fondly we should support fighters while they are active.

Why is everybody so negative?

FACT: Ricky Hatton has not been beaten by anybody yet
FACT: Ricky Hatton has called out PBF (monster payday for both, if Hatton is so shite why doesn't PBF fight him and take a big purse and his belt, or perhaps PBF doesn't think it would be that easy?)

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Only thing I will say is - it aint the Brits that are writing all the Smack ;)

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Originally Posted by WWatt

Anybody who takes the Collazo fight seriously is a dummy. Ricky entered that ring at 160lbs! It was almost laughing stock. Kerry (Kayes) only had seven weeks to add 5lbs of muscle to Ricky's frame, and that's obviously going to slow him down (he looked so big, slow and sloppy against Collazo compared to his usual smaller, tighter, sharper self that it's not even funny).

Put this into perspective, Ricky entered the ring against Stewart at 146, against Oliveira at 148 and against Tsyzu at 147 (Tszyu was 149). Against Collazo, Hatton entered the ring at 160. It was an amateurish mistake by his whole team (and TV backers) to move up in weight at such short notice when his only problem making 140 was often having to eat upto seven meals a day during camp to keep the weight up near the 140 mark!

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You sure he weighed 147 v KT?? I heard Billy Graham saying in the lead up saying he will weight around the same as he did against Zoo when he enters the ring, also on Sky they said he weighed 158.

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Originally Posted by WWatt

Anybody who takes the Collazo fight seriously is a dummy. Ricky entered that ring at 160lbs! It was almost laughing stock. Kerry (Kayes) only had seven weeks to add 5lbs of muscle to Ricky's frame, and that's obviously going to slow him down (he looked so big, slow and sloppy against Collazo compared to his usual smaller, tighter, sharper self that it's not even funny).

Put this into perspective, Ricky entered the ring against Stewart at 146, against Oliveira at 148 and against Tsyzu at 147 (Tszyu was 149). Against Collazo, Hatton entered the ring at 160. It was an amateurish mistake by his whole team (and TV backers) to move up in weight at such short notice when his only problem making 140 was often having to eat upto seven meals a day during camp to keep the weight up near the 140 mark!

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You sure he weighed 147 v KT?? I heard Billy Graham saying in the lead up saying he will weight around the same as he did against Zoo when he enters the ring, also on Sky they said he weighed 158.

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Billy said afterwards that he entered that ring at 160lbs, TV said 158 though.

And yes, he was 147 against Tszyu while Tszyu was 149- that's official.

Well i am very proud of myself I seem to have started a thread where people are considering the difficulties that Ricky could have had opposed to saying 'He has been chased back down to WelterWeight' or that he is a not a good fighter or other bollocks I have seen on here.

Astounding as it may seem Ricky didn't get it quite right on his first move up (***AMAZING***), perhaps if he does stay up or moves up again he will have learnt how to do it better, cos you know what he didn't get it quite right when he first got in the ring for a pro bout but he sure has improved since then.

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Originally Posted by chrisbird13

Well i am very proud of myself I seem to have started a thread where people are considering the difficulties that Ricky could have had opposed to saying 'He has been chased back down to WelterWeight' or that he is a not a good fighter or other bollocks I have seen on here.

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Give it time mate where still in uk forum timezone lets just watch how this thread progresses in the next 5 hour ;)

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Originally Posted by chrisbird13

Well i am very proud of myself I seem to have started a thread where people are considering the difficulties that Ricky could have had opposed to saying 'He has been chased back down to WelterWeight' or that he is a not a good fighter or other bollocks I have seen on here.

Astounding as it may seem Ricky didn't get it quite right on his first move up (***AMAZING***), perhaps if he does stay up or moves up again he will have learnt how to do it better, cos you know what he didn't get it quite right when he first got in the ring for a pro bout but he sure has improved since then.

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Spot on m8

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Originally Posted by Saddo

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Originally Posted by chrisbird13

Well i am very proud of myself I seem to have started a thread where people are considering the difficulties that Ricky could have had opposed to saying 'He has been chased back down to WelterWeight' or that he is a not a good fighter or other bollocks I have seen on here.

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Give it time mate where still in uk forum timezone lets just watch how this thread progresses in the next 5 hour ;)

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So the rubbish which is spouted about Ricky is mainly from across the pond?

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Originally Posted by chrisbird13

So the rubbish which is spouted about Ricky is mainly from across the pond?

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Not MAINLY - ONLY 8)

Ok well that explains a lot, something I didn't realise! I assumed as Saddo is based in UK it would be mainly UK visitors, my bad!

On another note, whats the opinion of British heavyweights?

Personally Danny Williams:- Not in shape and not a particularly good boxer, but there is a lack of quality opposition to push him, but he does have self belief (I think he is our greatest hope, good luck to him!!)

Matt Skelton:- Also out of shape but has a lot of heart which could in time make him great

Audley Harrison:- Physically in shape, mentally a mess. If he gets his act together and starts getting involved in the fights I thin he could do well as he is technically a reasonably good fighter just doesn't like fighting, perhaps a training camp with Ricky Hatton on how to attack?!

I watched clips of Lewis v Klitschko and Williams v Skelton on youtube the other day (both playing at the same time) and it is amazing the difference in body shape. Lewis and Klitschko are both tall muscular and toned men, Williams and Skelton, are both carrying a little extra around the middle

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Originally Posted by BIG H

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Originally Posted by chrisbird13

So the rubbish which is spouted about Ricky is mainly from across the pond?

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Not MAINLY - ONLY 8)

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To be fair not all are talking smack... just a few muppets ;) ... most see the fight as close and state as much and think Ricky lost... thats a fair point because it was close and with a few rounds making you see different winners. ;)

but you'll be able to pick out whos, who from the post that are surly to follow below ;)

nothing wrong with debating different opinions... as long as its kept real ;)

facts about this fight that cant and shouldn't be argued IMO...

Ricky looked S*** at Welter TRUE

No robbery just a close fight TRUE

Steelie is Gay TRUE

The only reason anyone who dosnt rate him would want him to stay at Welter is because they want to see him lose... TRUE

because lets face it Ricky just isnt a Welter and has a bigger chance of losing his 0 at welter than he does at lightwelter ;)

Has the flusher been required since the Hatton fight at all ???

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Originally Posted by Smashup

Has the flusher been required since the Hatton fight at all ???

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only once ;)

truth is i had to use the flusher far more on UK members taking sooo much crap about Lacy after his fight with Joe Calzaghe ;)

i swear that Marshmellow has been around in one shape or form recentley ;)

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Originally Posted by chrisbird13

So the rubbish which is spouted about Ricky is mainly from across the pond?

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Not MAINLY - ONLY 8)

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To be fair not all are talking smack... just a few muppets ;)

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Yeh, not saying they are just that the people that are aint the Brits

.... but that's to be expected.

be boring if we all agreed I spose :-\

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Originally Posted by BIG H

be boring if we all agreed I spose :-\

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yep true, but just cos you think one fighter is better than another doesn't necessarily mean that the one who you think is worse is necessarily shite.

Criticism or opinion is interesting, but on another thread you had 'Ricky Hatton what a wuss.'

Which then got a cool click!!!

He obviously isn't a wuss as he is a pro boxer and 4 time world champ, being childish now but, go say it to his face!!!

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i swear that Marshmellow has been around in one shape or form recentley ;)

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not really bothered as long as he plays nice ;)

for the record the flusher got used the most after Manny Pac beat Barrera... oh that was a nightmare weekend :o

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Originally Posted by chrisbird13

yep true, but just cos you think one fighter is better than another doesn't necessarily mean that the one who you think is worse is necessarily shite.

Criticism or opinion is interesting, but on another thread you had 'Ricky Hatton what a wuss.'

Which then got a cool click!!!

He obviously isn't a wuss as he is a pro boxer and 4 time world champ, being childish now but, go say it to his face!!!

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like i said mate just a few muppets ;)

Im from the US and i think Hatton is an amazing fighter... Thought Lacy was a chump a long time ago. Had trouble giving Calzaghe his due til Lacys one sided defeat. I don't put borders on boxing. I couldnt wait to see Hatton beat Colazzo so we can watch him on HBO more often

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Originally Posted by "PRIDE OF PROVIDENCE"

Im from the US and i think Hatton is an amazing fighter... Thought Lacy was a chump a long time ago. Had trouble giving Calzaghe his due til Lacys one sided defeat. I don't put borders on boxing. I couldnt wait to see Hatton beat Colazzo so we can watch him on HBO more often

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Originally Posted by "PRIDE OF PROVIDENCE"

Im from the US and i think Hatton is an amazing fighter... Thought Lacy was a chump a long time ago. Had trouble giving Calzaghe his due til Lacys one sided defeat. I don't put borders on boxing. I couldnt wait to see Hatton beat Colazzo so we can watch him on HBO more often

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Originally Posted by chrisbird13

So the rubbish which is spouted about Ricky is mainly from across the pond?

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Not MAINLY - ONLY 8)

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Let me say this...a few members FROM YOUR SIDE of the LAKES had some pretty interesting things to say about Hatton & his performance after that fight...so let's not go point one finger at all Yanks...thank you very much.

It get's just as old to those of us that respect Hatton but haven't put both feet on the boat yet.

That needed to be said regarding the above statement. Not only American's were disappointed in Hatton's Assault...& the ones that did say that Collazo won...quickly changed there tune after all the sides & lines in the sand started being drawn.

It's on both sides fellers.

Whats this?  The revolutionary war?  Hatton is great...  British or not.  Looked a little sloppy @ that weight but he'll grow into it and im sure will be comfortable in both weight classes.  I've been sold on him for a while.  Collazo didnt win the fight.  He had him in trouble a few times and bad in the 12th but Haton was the victor...  So this is one "yank" from "across the pond" that agrees with u

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Originally Posted by chrisbird13

On another note, whats the opinion of British heavyweights?

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"if all the British heavyweights in history were laid out end to end, I wouldn't be in the least surprised" (Dorothy Parker)

You guys are sorry fans...I hate to say it but damn guys, you have no faith in Ricky at all!

I mean after 1 close fight (with a title holder none the less) he goes from Country favorite to Audley Harrison...give the guy a break it was his first fight at welterweight!!!!

You know Floyd fought Castillo for his first fight at 135...did you think that his fans second guessed his choice to move up in weight? Do you think his fans wanted him to move back down? Honestly his fans just wanted a rematch, they got it and JLC got the shit kicked out of him! Why because Floyd is a champion, whether or not he holds a title he is a champion and wants no one to be better than him in the ring and he works hard to make sure of that. I'm sure Ricky is the same way.

Everyone had the same questions about PBF when he has moved up.

How will it affect his speed?
Will his punching power move up too?
Does he have the chin for that weight?

Ricky will figure something out and be a good fighter at welter, just wait and see

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Originally Posted by chrisbird13

So the rubbish which is spouted about Ricky is mainly from across the pond?

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Not MAINLY - ONLY 8)

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Let me say this...a few members FROM YOUR SIDE of the LAKES had some pretty interesting things to say about Hatton & his performance after that fight...so let's not go point one finger at all Yanks...thank you very much.

It get's just as old to those of us that respect Hatton but haven't put both feet on the boat yet.

That needed to be said regarding the above statement. Not only American's were disappointed in Hatton's Assault...& the ones that did say that Collazo won...quickly changed there tune after all the sides & lines in the sand started being drawn.

It's on both sides fellers.

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The remark was about "Smack Talk" and to explain, I was not saying all Amercians were talking smack, just that any smack talk that was been done was by Americans - and as I've said that is a minority of people

Whilst some Brits criticized the performance they weren't talking smack.

Anyhoo you know me well enough Wacko, I love my Amercian brothers I am never one to post something that will delibaretly cause offence , my remark was meant light heartedly :)

Good post mate. I can't understand why people criticise Hatton. True, the move up in weight was ill advised (at least IMO) and it very nearly backfired, but it didn't, and Hatton deserves praise. The fella would fight anyone put in front of him IMO.
I agree also with some of your points regarding Lennox Lewis, especially the point made about the Klitschko fight, my thoughts exactly. However, with regards to Tyson i believe that Tyson would have beaten Lewis at his best, unfortunately, at the time Lewis and Tyson fought it was only Lewis that was at his best, or as close as he could be, and age isn't, and wasn't a factor. That said, Lennox Lewis couldn't do anything about the state of the heavyweight division when he reigned but beat who was put in front of him, which he did emphatically on many occasions. Also, i think that too much emphasis is put on the state of the heavyweight division during Lewis's reign, and i believe that the division wasn't as bad as many labelled it during that time, especially when you compare it to the heavyweight division now!

I've said it many times that Lewis will only be given due credit when he has been retired from the fight game for many years, and i hope he gets the credit he deserves, and i also hope that Hatton rams the words of the critics back down their stupid throats in the years to come.

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Originally Posted by chrisbird13

As a long time reader of this forum but not a poster til now, all people seem to do is constantly deride British boxers. Since the Ricky Hatton fight, and before it, people have been slating him. It is almost as if people are wishing him ill. He is in the top 10 p4p fighters and is the most successful active British boxer at the moment, but it seems that people will not stop badmouthing him until he has won everything. Howsabout a bit of support?

This seems to be similar to Lennox Lewis. When he was fighting evrybody constantly slated him, and even when he did things like knocking out Tyson it was 'Only because Tyson wasn't in his prime' and against Klitschko he was lucky. Rubbish! Sure he was losing on points, but Klitschkos eye was a mess and had the fight been allowed to continue his vision would have continued to deteriorate and Lewis would have knocked him out or won points IMO.
However now Lewis has retired people are beginning to look back onhim with fonder memories. Instead of looking back fondly we should support fighters while they are active.

Why is everybody so negative?

FACT: Ricky Hatton has not been beaten by anybody yet
FACT: Ricky Hatton has called out PBF (monster payday for both, if Hatton is so shite why doesn't PBF fight him and take a big purse and his belt, or perhaps PBF doesn't think it would be that easy?)

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Fair point on tyson i totally agreee with you. I think Tyson at his prime was one of the best fighters ever.

I think that had Lewis been american then he would have been much more easily accepted. Not all americans are this way but it does seem there is a minority who only seem to rate american boxers.

Second most of the poster on here are pretty cool although they may give there opinion abit to aggressive sometimes :laugh: > They have helped me alot to see some fights from a different perspective which i might not have thought of. Although i have watched boxing for a long time i am still a learner and am just getting to grips with the finer details of the sports.

So thank you to all the regular poster for inlighting me and making me feel more passionate about a sport which i have come to love.

Three you just get used to ignoring the posters who are very onesided in there opinions because you learn they are not quite as knowledgeable as they think they are.

Hope to see you posting alot more often so i can add to my knowledge ;)

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Originally Posted by chrisbird13

Fair point on tyson i totally agreee with you. I think Tyson at his prime was one of the best fighters ever.

I think that had Lewis been american then he would have been much more easily accepted. Not all americans are this way but it does seem there is a minority who only seem to rate american boxers.

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Agreed to a certain extent. There was a certain reluctance or ignorance towards Lennox Lewis and his achievements, and maybe that had something to do with him being British. But let's not forget that he fought in the Olympics under the Canadian flag and maybe the fact that Lennox being British was talked up a lot i.e. 'He's british an' he's bad!' made the minority neglect his achievements a bit more, which has been argued. I try not to dwell on these things too much as sometimes i put it down to plain ignorance, no more, no less.

:Oops:For some reason my first point didnt post lol. (computer retard me ).So here goes second try

First welcome to the forum Chris. :welcomesign:

well i cant take nothing away from what Lewis has achived but boy he was the biggest bore to watch IMHO ;)

like his last fight though ;)

Its always been a British disease I'm afraid i've been a fan nearly 50 yrs, and it was always that way. Our Enery was " alright till he gets in with a yank" then all the big names that followed , Buchanan, Minter, Benn, Bruno, Watson, etc etc all got slated, i think it's just part of the British psyche, i think we don't like seeing people being very good at what we can't do ourselves. However when they retire and they are no longer a threat to our manhood we love them.

I would recommend that those who say about Tyson beating Lennox, read his autobiography of the same name in which he tells of his trip to the Catskills as a 17 yr old Olympic hopeful to spar with the 16 yr old Tyson. Two of the worst kept secrets in boxing were that Tyson was a pro to all intents and purposes from the age of 14, dipensing with school and being taught by Camille Ewald. And secondly he never sparred, he always fought.All went to plan for a couple of days then after Lewis started to impose himself on the third day they were not invited to spar any further. Add to this that Tyson did in fact pay Lennox step aside money to avoid him in 1996, and it puts a different perspective on the outcome had they met earlier.

Secondly i am surprised to read that RH weighed only 147 and 149 in his LW fights as only last week he said his optimum fighting weight is 156, and he weighed 158 on Saturday last. In any event that rules out Oscar and Margarito who no doubt would hit the scales at 147 ant be a lot nearer 167 by fight time.