I say that this upcoming fight between Winky and Taylor is gonna be a pretty one sided fight in favor of Winky. Winky by Easy decision 8)
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I say that this upcoming fight between Winky and Taylor is gonna be a pretty one sided fight in favor of Winky. Winky by Easy decision 8)
Im sorry but winky looked bad, real bad against soliman a short armed guy, i cant see him beating the physical stature of taylor no way
True that I think that it was mostly because of Soliman's akward style. I mean Winky is well schooled southpaw that can cause all kinds of problems to not so experienced Taylor. Besides remeber the Trinidad fight ::**
I agreeQuote:
Originally Posted by memojaras
I'm going to agree with you on this one.....Quote:
Originally Posted by memojaras
felix trinifdad was made for winky taylor would have koed him are u kidding me?
Im going to tell you people something that might suprise you. The reason 90 percent of boxers come out of retirement is because they want more money. Thats exactly what Trinidad did. If you will watch the fight over again, look into the later rounds in trinidads corner. His papa was telling him everything was alright and that he was winning. If he thought he was winning, I would hate to see him when he was losing. Trinidad had no defense and hardly threw a punch, yet people still use that as one of winkys notable victories, which is pathetic. Taylor would have dropped him in three. Winkys finally fixing to face someone with the eye of the tiger!
Although I agree with my brother with most points i wanted to make note that i didnt write this article. I am the real Bigluke.
I think Taylor is going to be to big and powerful for Winky to handle. Taylor by UD, I think that Taylor is not going to be bothered by Winky's shots and Taylor is going to wear him down, take control in the middle rounds on.
i disagree. IMO winky will school taylor with his jab (one of the best jabs there is at the moment). Do you really think taylor is that big and powerful? I have to disagree again im afraid mate ;D Although i do feel that if taylor can work hard and get inside then winkys chin is very questionable. IMO though i cant see him getting past winkys defenceQuote:
Originally Posted by TyBuff
Jermain is the first true middleweight that Winky is stepping in with!
Now Wright is a tough guy but Mosley shook him and that was the Shane with no power, Jermain has a ton of power and a good jab...great combos and good counter punching will help him win.
Jermain Taylor is a tough guy he beat Bernard FRIGGIN Hopkins....Wright hasn't done anything to that extent...but he's a tough boxer it'll be close but Taylor's size and athletism lead him to victory.
soliman's style is almost impossible to look good against.....and he's also a good/very good fighter.....possibly capable of getting a lower tier title...WBU IBA ect.... and Winky beat him..... just as he will beat Taylor... wtite it down in stone..... or I'm going to be eating some crow...I don't like crow..... go WINKY!!Quote:
Originally Posted by pacdog
:coolclick: Have to agree with everything you said Lyle. Taylor is physically the largest fighter Winky will have ever faced. Mosely and Trinidad both started out at Jr WW and moved up in weight. Taylor is a true Middle, and big Middle at that. Winky does not have the power to bother Taylor, Winky will have to do a lot of running in the fight. He wont be able to stay in front of Taylor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Oops cant repeat Karma action. Will get cc ya tomorrow.Quote:
Originally Posted by TyBuff
I just dont see Jt having the eye of the tiger, if he did he would have showed it in the B-hop fights and I am sure most of us agree here that he lost those fight and was given them as gifts because we will no longer have Osca de laholla and Boxing needs a new face. So I dont think he will win , but he might be given another gift.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigLuke
I thought they were both close fights that could have gone either way. Besides nobody looks good against B-hop. To me in both fights B-hop didnt do enough to say he clearly won and Taylor was trying to be a tactical fighter against Hopkins which is not his way of fighting. So he looked bad against him. Now Taylor is in with another tough fighter, but I think that Winky presents more of opportunity for Taylor to put together a good fight. I am not saying he is going to look fabulous against Winky but he will look better and win.Quote:
Originally Posted by a4mrmarine
i thought this would be interesting to settle the score about who is the bigger man.
what i did was find the tale of the tapes of both winky and jermaines most recent fights. Winky's however i could only find the one with trinidad.
Jermaines is up to date however. As you can see Jermain on paper is in fact bigger.
I see a close match, Jermain will be the agressor,Winky will be forced to open up a bit more, i can see Jermain winning a controversial Sd, or winky winning by UD if Taylor's strategy to win does not work out.
Jermaine: Hopkins Taylor II
Record 24-0
Knockouts 17
Age 27  
Weight 159
Height 6-foot-1
Reach 78
Chest (normal) 44
Chest (expanded) 46
Biceps 16 1/2
Forearms 14
Waist 31
Thigh 28
Calf 12
Neck 17
Wrist 7
Fist  13
  Wright
 Height  5-10
 Reach  72
Neck  16 1/2  
Chest Normal  40 1/2  
Expanded  43
 Waist  32
 Bicep  15 1/2  
 Forearm  12
 Wrist  6 1/4  
 Fist  12
Thigh  23
 Calf  14
 Age  33
And if you want to compare winky's size to hopkins...
Hopkins-Taylor II Tale of the Tape
Hopkins
Record
46-3-1
Knockouts 32
Age 40
Weight 160
Height  6-foot-2
Reach 75
Chest (normal)  39 1/2
Chest (expanded) 42 1/2
Biceps  13
Forearms  11
Waist  31
Thigh 21
Calf 14
Neck  17
Wrist  6
Fist  12
Now as you can see....from this info Jermain is bigger then both winky and hopkins. BUT winky is bigger then hopkins is. Now if Jermain couldn't impose his size on hopkins (although he is a very slick boxer with considerably more movement then winky) how is he gonna do this on wright?
my best guess would be that Jermains camp is betting on Winky not being as slick (via movement) compared to hopkins. They want Jermain to be very agressive/smart with his punching. If i were Jermaine I would focus on straightening that jab and focusing on stamina.
If i were winky i would get prepared to actually open up a bit, and outbox the less experienced Taylor.
This is gonna be a good one guys...dont sleep
I think the fight will go to the most versatile fighter and that is Taylor. That shield defense is a very good defense for Winky (not many other fighters will benefit from it) and I believe that Taylor will adapt to that style and pick Winky apart. And once Taylor adapts to Winky's style it is over for him unless Winky changes up his style and I don't see that happening.
Besides versatility the fight will go to who ever can establish the jab,get in good body shots, and throw combination.
Winky is getting KTFO. Taylor's jab is lethal and it will keep Winky at bay. Winky's defense is great, but I can easily see Taylor taking a few rounds to figure Winky out and then proceeding to bully him around the ring all night and punish him against the ropes. Taylor is no Trinidad, Taylor is a very good technical boxer and he will find a way to pick Winky apart and break down Winky's defense. And Taylor is a legit 160 and probably should be at 168, Winky hasn't ever felt that power.
Why's everyone think Winky looked bad against Soliman ??? Soliman threw 1000 punches and landed about 120 of them, thats an average of 10 punches landed per 100 thrown a round. Not even Mayweather could pull off numbers like that.
It's hard to look good vs a guy like Soliman...Winky still won, Soliman would frustrate ANYONE
a good question would be...
after this fight win/lose, where would they go from there?
I think that many of you wanna believe that Taylor will get wooped by Winkly easily becuz many on here dislike Taylor but you have failed to realize the skill of Jermain, his reach, size & determination to win!
If you ask me I think Hop's dimensions are greater than Winks. JT did impose his size on Hopkins, if he didn't he would have got KTFO.Quote:
Originally Posted by superlyrical
With a 6inch reach and 2inch height advantage and the trainer of both Lewis and Klit in his corner isn't it obvious how he will fight? Its just a shame Stewart has so little time to work with him.
ya i guess i agree.
this is more interesting then hopkins/tarver imo
i go for a winky points verdict
his jab should be enough to keep taylor at bay
thats what worries me
taylor has what? 6 inch reach advantage?
winky needs to be in range to throw that jab
am also leaning towards winky however...dunno....really tough....depends on what kind of taylor shows up.
of coarse how could i forget about his amazing reach advantage that he hardly uses
what do u call the jab?
I think Taylor is just now warming up as a fighter. I think his size, strength, and boxing skills are gonna put Winky down. I know Wink has great defense, but I don't think his footwork is all that great. Hopkins was able to manipulate Taylor with his movement and power. I don't think Winky will have those adavantages.
Oh yeah, Hopkins' has a height, weight, and reach advantage over Wright. How exactly is Wright larger that Hopkins? Larger wrists maybe?
LOL my bad guys...i dunno what i was thinking about winky being bigger then hop hop
I 100% AGREE WITH WHAT TUCK SAID ABOUT WINKYS MOVEMENT HE DOESNT HAVE THAT FOOTWORK THAT HOPKINS HAS, HIS DEFENSE REVOLVES AROUND HIS LONG ARM/BODY RATIO (LOL) AND BEING ABLE TO KEEP HIS ELBOWS PINNED TO HIS SIDE WHILE GUARDING HIS FACE.
am beginning to think that all jermain has to do is be the agressor (via hop) and he might get a fairly easy UD....if sam soliman was being the agressor with volumes of punches that had ZERO affect. then i believe with the same sort...but more of a conservative tactic, the bigger stronger taylor can pull this off.....
i dunno why but as you can see am crazy hyped for this fight
Since this is a place for discussion and everyone is entitled to their own opinions I can't call all you Winky doubters a bunch of fools.... but I can say that you must not understand boxing! people talk as if J.T fights like Hatton then maybe those few pounds would come in to play. Smart fighters don't typically use bullrushing and grappling as tactics ! And whichever numbskull thinks taylor will do good inside against Winky couldn't have ever seen anyone of these guys box J.T has nothing inside and Winky is an ace inside I look for J.T to hold inside or run like a scalded dog.Size won't be an issue at all!!!! and just for the record I look for J.T to stop punching by the 6th .and I predicted Emannuel is gonna start yelling at-him to do things that Winky won't let-him do.Winky by UD ! P4P greatest boxer alive
Man are you wink's brother? I think you might be overrating him a little. I think i would give Jt the edge on the inside for sure. Winky wont want to brawl with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by fatsandy
Taylor's punch output has been poor in the hopkins fights and his stamina wasn't great either. Something will have to change drasticly for him to be able to throw a high volume of hard shots on Wright. None of Taylors KOs I've seen have been as devastating as the Tito/Joppy KO and Tito banged away at Wright's guard for the first half of their fight and couldn't score or hurt Wrights arms enough to open him up.
Wright may not be as quick handed as Taylor but he's more accurate and has never been beaten to the punch on the jab even though he's often in with fighters with more handspeed.
Taylor's got to try and maul him physically to win. He won't outbox him or outwork.
.I might be his brother but you surely don't know boxing! fighting inside is not brawling,its fighting at close range. Which I've never seen J.T do.. once again Winky will quiet all the non-believers then I hope the boxing world will give him his due!Quote:
Originally Posted by BigLuke
I actaully fancy Taylor to give winky a very very good fight with that huge size and quality jab he posseses. I still make Winky slight favourite.
OH.. IT'LL BE A FIGHT ALRIGHT. I GIVE WINKY THE ADVANTAGE ALSO... HE WONT BRAWL WITH TAYLOR AND HE'S TOO SMART TO FIGHT TAYLORS FIGHT.
that's only if Taylor uses his jab...It was almost nonexistent vs B-HOP....If he doesn't box winky will beat him easily....Quote:
Originally Posted by albsur2006
Why would Taylor have to brawl with Wink to win? Why would even want to get on the inside? He's bigger, stronger, and has a massive reach. If you've ever watched Taylor fight, what makes you think he's gonna have to run like a "scalded dog"? I don't think you've ever seen him fight if you think he only has those options. I like Winky and wouldn't take anything away from him, but Taylor is an excellent boxer. He's not gonna have to pray for a ko to get the win.Quote:
Originally Posted by fatsandy
i would cc but i dont know how to ^