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I stole this topic from a point Starr made in my "Big Surprise! Hatton ducks Collazo rematch" post. And it's an excellent point. PBF got a controversial decision over Castillo in their first fight. Most, including me, felt Castillo won. And PBF did the right thing, listened to public appeal and gave the guy the rematch. Why doesn't Hatton do the same thing?
1- I dont wanna hear anymore anti-PBF crap from people like Salthebutcher.
2- CC for Starr for making an excellent point.
3 champions beat in the last 3 fights two weight world champion and noooo amount of crying will change that ;D
Stolen from my last post ;D
i'm a huge Hatton fan, and i believe you are 100 percent right.........CCQuote:
Originally Posted by BABABOOEY
Mr Nightmare thinks your right also... expect a CC from him after you've logged out ;D
Why would Hatton give a rematch to guy a he beat fair and square who stylewise is his worst nightmare? It wasn't a controversial decision, it was close fight that Hatton got the nod in. Theres much bigger and better fights out there for him - Castillo, Cotto, Witter ;D etc... Collazo fought a great fight, was unlucky the verdict didn't go his way, and I'm sure, and the end of the day is immensely grateful to Hatton for putting him on the map ;)
strange thing is mate the same people who are saying the fight stank are the ones crying for a rematch ???
for me if it happens it happens... and i guess the decision will be made and not withing the first week after the fight no matter how hard the anti hatton brigade cry ;)
Didn't sum1 post saying the WBA are making hatton fight some other guy if he stays at welter?
So IF hatton wanted to stay at welter and fight collzao he would first have to defend agasint whats his face, then get the callazo fight. Spending like what, 18months in a w8 he doesnt want to be in? 18 months where he could be fighting the people at light welter who he has his eyes on.
I'm sure you heard most 'experts' all agree, the type of fighter hatton is he only has 1-3 years left in him. So why spend half of that time going through aload of crap to fight a guy, who could get knocked out, beaten badly, injured in that time and render the hatton re-match a waste of time, waste of money and a possible loss of titles he cuda picked up fighting at light welter
IF ricky was staying at Welter then yes, if he said he wouldn't fight him - then agreed it would be a duck.
The move he is making now is the best move for him self, and in the sport you gotta look after #1 before anything else.
I did wonder if Collazo would be as eager to rematch if Hatton vacated the belt to avoid Urkal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Preme
Amazing how almost none of you, Saddo included, adressed the post topic.
Yes, Hatton won a close fight. But he promised Collazo a rematch, face to face. Some of you folks are just so high on Hatton (FOR OBVIOUS REASONS) that as long as he wins, it means he doesnt do anything wrong.
he had just won the tittle, is it no obvious he was gunna say what ever he had to say to shut the guy up? There is a time and a place to sort matches out, and in the ring after a fight isn't the place!Quote:
Originally Posted by BABABOOEY
The way I see it is, Floyd beat Castillo, IMO, both fights. If the first wasn't clear enough, the second was. As for Hatton, it was a close fight, I gave it to Hatton barely, but I wouldn't argue a draw. I can't say that I think he is scared of Collazo, but he knows he can't beat the bigger guys, regardless of skill. He should give Collazo a rematch to heal the public, and settle it, but only if he plans on fighting at 147 again. If he stays at 140, then he should be stripped, and the belt should go back to Collazo. Or an eliminator with Collazo fighting someone else. I would say that Ricky should give Collazo a rematch to show his heart, but if he doesn't, and he goes down to fight Cotto, Corrales, or Castillo, I would say that's his best business move.
Regardless, Hatton will not beat Floyd Mayweather JR. And definately not at 147.
cant see anything wrong with winning a fight... regardless of what you think mate the decision wont be made because you and your alter ego Mr Nightmare doing millions of anti Hatton posts... the world just dont work like that...Quote:
Originally Posted by BABABOOEY
but at the risk of REPEATING myself ::**
A better prepared Hatton and i aint talking a 7 weeks notice one who by the way won the fight all be it close BUT and well perpared Hatton would be a landslide victory and even and anti hatton fan like you would be able to see this.
so for me whats the point in wasting time with a rematch when there are far better matchups to be made for Hatton...
or are you saying the first meeting was such a classic you want to see it again ::**
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Originally Posted by Saddo
It wasn't a classic, but a good fight. Although I agree that Hatton would look better with more prep time, so would Collazo. It's also Hatton's fault, and his team's fault for not having the proper time. I think Hatton would win the rematch, but he clearly doesn't belong at 147. Collazo is a good fighter, don't get me wrong, but Hatton wasn't able to impose his will, or tire Collazo like he does at 140. Hatton can't fight the bigger guys. I would say a rematch would show how much heart Hatton has, but going back to 140, is clearly a better business decision. So, I can live with both scenarios.
Yes i agree there should be a rematch. Calozzo was the champ and many felt that he won the fight.
Only if he (hatton) stays at 147 to defend his WBA belt. Otherwise no.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigsexy
Collazo had the same 7 weeks to prepare for Hatton ;)
who is Calozzo ive heard him mentioned a few times now ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Bigsexy
Callozo has a good chance of beating Cotto imo
If Cotto loses to Malignaggi all thats out.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_One77
really... wow i thought he was already a natrual welter ::**Quote:
Originally Posted by Starr
Is that why Hatton is ducking a rematch and why none of you want him to fight Collazo again but hide it behind "he won fair and square no need for a rematch." because you know what would happen in that rematch ;)
no he won a close decision do you really want to see that fight again and would you pay for it... because i cant see many that wouldQuote:
Originally Posted by Starr
I would love to see them fight again and if I had to pay for it then I would ;) Because I would want to see how Hatton responds if he can seal the deal like Mayweather or of he would fail.
Do you have a source that backs up your statement about Hatton ducking Collazo or is the just the typical nonsense from you, when you do not like a boxer? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Starr
I'd like to see it, but I wouldn't pay for it. Which is to say that--despite my misgivings--if I put my money where my mouth is I'd rather see Hatton-Cotto or Hatton-Castillo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saddo
Can someone clear this up for me though: are Castillo and Cotto not set to fight each other after their next fights? And if so, who is Ricky really going to fight next (assuming it's not PBF, which I don't think is happening that soon)? Because if it's not Cotto or Castillo, I don't really see what all these great fights are that are awaiting Hatton at Jr. Welter.
What gets me, is that alot of people who claim that Floyd lost to Castillo the first time, and demanded a rematch, are the same people saying Hatton shouldn't give Collazo a rematch.
You want the truth? Hatton can't handle the truth! Truth=Floyd Mayweather Jr.
I'd bet anything Hatton's next fight will still be at welterweight but will be against the winner of Gatti-Baldomir. Since I think Castillo will beat Corrales, and he's lined up with Cotto next, there's really no one at 140. If he doesn't fight Collazo, he will have no one else but the Gatti-Baldomir winner, unless he takes that bum mandatory. This is a critical time for Hatton.
Hatton is moving back down to 140 instead of giving Collazo a rematch that HE PROMISED he would give him ;) IF THATS NOT DUCKING I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by azumir
sum1 quoted that the WBa said who he has to fight If he stays at 140.Quote:
Originally Posted by ImRipped
Btw, is it only me who thinks don king f***ed up? surly it was his job to have a clause in there somewhere that if hatton did indeed win the fight he had to give collazo a rematch?
I'd actually really like to see that fight. Well--I'd really like to see Hatton-Gatti; not so into Hatton-Baldomir. I think a Hatton-Gatti fight would be MUCH closer than the beatdown Floyd gave him. Either one of these would set up a PBF or Margarito fight nicely though--though I can't see Ricky fairing well against either of those guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by ImRipped
I seriously doubt Hatton's people would have signed on to that contract. He was the money draw for the fight, despite Collazo being champ, and I'm sure HBO had no interest ex ante in burning TWO fights off of Ricky's brand new contract with Collazo matches. If Don King had insisted on that, Hatton would've found someone else and Collazo would have never been on HBO. Unfortunately, them's the breaks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Preme
Gatti could outbox Hatton and hits much harder then Collazo, you have your end result ;) It would look like the second or third Micky Ward fight
me i aint bothered i think there are far better fights out there for Hatton and if Hatton came out and said his next fight was gonna be Collazo i sure wouldn't shot my load if im honest as i really just see the fight with Ricky being better at the weight and winning a less closer fight... and everyone saying well he only beat Collazo but he wouldn't beat blah blah hate hate ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Starr
please i would hate to see Ricky fight Gatti... whats the point Gatti's done.Quote:
Originally Posted by Starr
no cred in beating Gatti IMO
It would raise his US profile immensely though--maybe enough to make a floyd fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saddo
Yup and Saddo. If Gatti beats Baldomir and Hattob beat Gatti(which he wouldn't) Hatton would be the recognized Undisputed champ.. do you mean to say you DON'T want that for him ??? ;D
Back at ya 117.Quote:
Originally Posted by BABABOOEY
too many if's in that statement for me to take it seriously ::**Quote:
Originally Posted by Starr
truth id prefer Baldomir to win and fight Hatton... because the way it works if Ricky beat Gatti.. which he would eveyone would be saying Gatti is shot... which he is ::**
the main 3 guys i want to see hatton fight....
Cotto
Witter
Mayweather
there are others but that would be my main 3 ;)
Mayweather dosnt want to know
Witter fight dosnt get cred in the good old US of A
and Cotto is busy
so time will tell just whats next... i have no idea... and wouldn;t be supprised if he did rematch Collazo out of the fact he has no one else to fight but not for me thanks ;)
I agree you'd get some people here saying that, but to the average sort-of-fan who doesn't know Hatton, he'll just get way more exposure, which will set up bigger fights, etc.--the whole reason he came to the U.S. in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saddo
Good list, but I'm starting to think I'd rather see Hatton-Castillo than any of them. It would be just an all-action, in-close slugfest. And a great test for both of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saddo
FYI, Saddo, Im not a Hatton hater. I think the kids great for boxing. Hes exciting cuz all he does is come forward, swinging. I dont put up anti-Hatton posts, either. I do however put up posts that state the obvious:
1-He should give Collazo an immediate rematch
2-Based on what I've seen, he aint in PBF's league (but who is)
3-Its good to support your hometown fighter, but you (SADDO) need to be realistic. When was the last time any of your posts offerd a bit of criticism for Hatton? He aint perfect, you know.