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My opinion of Amir Khan
Seems tonight was the night this crossed the mind when comparing Khan and Hamed
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Originally Posted by Starr
Naseem was very good and only great in his own regard, but he would have been a worldwide great had he not fallen in love with his own hype. Amir doesn't have nearly as much natural talent as Naseem but he could get further in terms of world wide great but as of right now Amir will never become great because expectations are too high for this early in his career and nobody will be satisfied. He WILL have a learning curve but if it's true and people think that he's so great already to beat top 10 guys then when he does hit that learning curve people will say he is slipping and call him overhyped etc. So lay off him he's not ready stop expecting it so soon and he will be great someday.
Maybe his learning curve was tonight :-\
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naaaa....i dont think so
I pretty much gave him every round, and tbh his showboating wasn't that bad...
His opponent really couldn't get a clean hit on him
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Re: My opinion of Amir Khan
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Originally Posted by Starr
Seems tonight was the night this crossed the mind when comparing Khan and Hamed
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Originally Posted by Starr
Naseem was very good and only great in his own regard, but he would have been a worldwide great had he not fallen in love with his own hype. Amir doesn't have nearly as much natural talent as Naseem but he could get further in terms of world wide great but as of right now Amir will never become great because expectations are too high for this early in his career and nobody will be satisfied. He WILL have a learning curve but if it's true and people think that he's so great already to beat top 10 guys then when he does hit that learning curve people will say he is slipping and call him overhyped etc. So lay off him he's not ready stop expecting it so soon and he will be great someday.
Maybe his learning curve was tonight :-\
He has far more natural talent than Naz, just lacks the power Naz had.
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Originally Posted by Clydey_2_Times
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Originally Posted by Starr
Seems tonight was the night this crossed the mind when comparing Khan and Hamed
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Originally Posted by Starr
Naseem was very good and only great in his own regard, but he would have been a worldwide great had he not fallen in love with his own hype. Amir doesn't have nearly as much natural talent as Naseem but he could get further in terms of world wide great but as of right now Amir will never become great because expectations are too high for this early in his career and nobody will be satisfied. He WILL have a learning curve but if it's true and people think that he's so great already to beat top 10 guys then when he does hit that learning curve people will say he is slipping and call him overhyped etc. So lay off him he's not ready stop expecting it so soon and he will be great someday.
Maybe his learning curve was tonight :-\
He has far more natural talent than Naz, just lacks the power Naz had.
you should wactch Naz in his early career, Khan's opponents (Laszlo Komjathi) wouldn't even lay a glove on him
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Originally Posted by The_One77
naaaa....i dont think so
I pretty much gave him every round, and tbh his showboating wasn't that bad...
His opponent really couldn't get a clean hit on him
he was getting tagged with jabs simply because his hands weren't up. I agree about the show boating. you even seen it yet starr? Naz was a fucking clown... Amir Khan just did 1-2 Sugar Ray moves... nothing like Naz (not that I like show boating in you're 7th pro bout or at all generally but its not as bad as that slimey little cunt)
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Originally Posted by The_One77
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Originally Posted by Clydey_2_Times
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Originally Posted by Starr
Seems tonight was the night this crossed the mind when comparing Khan and Hamed
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Originally Posted by Starr
Naseem was very good and only great in his own regard, but he would have been a worldwide great had he not fallen in love with his own hype. Amir doesn't have nearly as much natural talent as Naseem but he could get further in terms of world wide great but as of right now Amir will never become great because expectations are too high for this early in his career and nobody will be satisfied. He WILL have a learning curve but if it's true and people think that he's so great already to beat top 10 guys then when he does hit that learning curve people will say he is slipping and call him overhyped etc. So lay off him he's not ready stop expecting it so soon and he will be great someday.
Maybe his learning curve was tonight :-\
He has far more natural talent than Naz, just lacks the power Naz had.
you should wactch Naz in his early career, Khan's opponents (Laszlo Komjathi) wouldn't even lay a glove on him
I've seen his early fights. He came unstuck when he stepped up the competition and looked completely ordinary after the Robinson fight.
Khan looks like he actually wants to box and looks like he can box. he has a far better jab than Naz, better footwork, balance, head movement. He has a better chance of having a long career at the top since he has a much more conventional fighting style. His defence will improve with age. Naz's got worse with age since he relied entirely on his reflexes and remaining off balance to slip punches.
Khan just needs to cut out the showboating and focus on the opponent.
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Nazes style was based on stopping the other fighting, and he did it well make no mistake.
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Originally Posted by Scrap
Nazes style was based on stopping the other fighting, and he did it well make no mistake.
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In terms of Early career Naz was a legend through and through and had alot more natural talent then Amir Khan could beg for, You cant compare Million dollar fight Naz to 2nd pro fight Naz.
When/If naz showboated in his early career he would know what he is doing and doing it as part of a plan, Khan straight up dropped his hands and let the guy crack him in the face 3 times, theres no smart in that.
Like it was said, Khan has become famous way to quick and imo way to big for his boots, a kid with only 7 pro fights under his belt shouldnt be getting all this pressure to "put on a good show".
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Originally Posted by Sheps
In terms of Early career Naz was a legend through and through and had alot more natural talent then Amir Khan could beg for, You cant compare Million dollar fight Naz to 2nd pro fight Naz.
When/If naz showboated in his early career he would know what he is doing and doing it as part of a plan, Khan straight up dropped his hands and let the guy crack him in the face 3 times, theres no smart in that.
Like it was said, Khan has become famous way to quick and imo way to big for his boots, a kid with only 7 pro fights under his belt shouldnt be getting all this pressure to "put on a good show".
As far as pure boxing talent goes, Khan has it in abundance. Naz was nothing without his power. That is power, not boxing ability. Khan doesn't have as much power but he has far more going for him than Naz ever had. As said before, balance, footwork, jab, technique, combinations, head movement, all of those are in Khan's favour. Naz simply had the equalizer: his power.
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Naz had much much much more then his power ::**
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Originally Posted by Starr
Naz had much much much more then his power ::**
My point is he had no other attributes to fall back on. If someone could take his punches, he was at a loss. As his career progressed, he began throwing single shots more and more. And as the opposition got tougher, he landed less and less. What he was good at was landing from almost any angle. The fact is without his power he was verging on a below average fighter.
For pure boxing talent, it is laughable to say Naz had more than Khan. Naz wasn't a boxer. He was a puncher.
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Yea but you remember early on that he depended on his counter punching his combinations and his boxing ability defense and speed and jab, he only started relying on his power when he fell in love with it and lost his craft.
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dont't forget everyone, naz was a lower weight so is going to have more faster reflexs than khan, alomost no one else is going to have reflexs like naz unless they are a featherweight to, khan has as much talant as naz in a different respect, people compare them to much just because they are both of asain descent.
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Originally Posted by Clydey_2_Times
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Originally Posted by The_One77
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Originally Posted by Clydey_2_Times
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Originally Posted by Starr
Seems tonight was the night this crossed the mind when comparing Khan and Hamed
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Originally Posted by Starr
Naseem was very good and only great in his own regard, but he would have been a worldwide great had he not fallen in love with his own hype. Amir doesn't have nearly as much natural talent as Naseem but he could get further in terms of world wide great but as of right now Amir will never become great because expectations are too high for this early in his career and nobody will be satisfied. He WILL have a learning curve but if it's true and people think that he's so great already to beat top 10 guys then when he does hit that learning curve people will say he is slipping and call him overhyped etc. So lay off him he's not ready stop expecting it so soon and he will be great someday.
Maybe his learning curve was tonight :-\
He has far more natural talent than Naz, just lacks the power Naz had.
you should wactch Naz in his early career, Khan's opponents (Laszlo Komjathi) wouldn't even lay a glove on him
I've seen his early fights. He came unstuck when he stepped up the competition and looked completely ordinary after the Robinson fight.
Khan looks like he actually wants to box and looks like he can box. he has a far better jab than Naz, better footwork, balance, head movement. He has a better chance of having a long career at the top since he has a much more conventional fighting style. His defence will improve with age. Naz's got worse with age since he relied entirely on his reflexes and remaining off balance to slip punches.
Khan just needs to cut out the showboating and focus on the opponent.
Khan has better headmovement then naz????
Khan will not be nearly as successful as naz was, and you write down the day i said that.
Naz had something that khan will never have, and thats the power to sit down guys with one shot. Reflexes that naz had khan will never posess....
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People seem to forget about Naz
Right now Amir is no where near as good and i dont think he has the natural talent Naz had.
As much as i hated him i think if he stayed with Ingle, didnt listen his yes men brothers plus belive his own hype he would be still around today maybe number 1 p4p
check out this vid i did on him
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...q=naseem+hamed
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Originally Posted by tonythedon
people compare them to much just because they are both of asain descent.
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No they are not. Khan's parents are from Pakistan, so I'll give you than. Naseem's family are from Yemen, which makes him an Arab not an Asian.
Genetically totally different, but hey they are both brown skinned so they must be the same, right?
I think Khan has a nice economical style, he fights in straight lines (ie he tends not to circle so much, and does not throw wide looping punches) and has reasonable technique. He looks very good going forward and he - maybe purposely - elected to box the Hungarian off the back foot this time. He showed that he can get quite disorganised in defence and he is definitely a work in progress (as you would expect such a young guy to be in his 7th pro fight.
He needs to make sure that he works on those technical flaws, and stops showboating, as he seems not to have the one punch kayo power to get his out of trouble.
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Originally Posted by tonythedon
people compare them to much just because they are both of asain descent.
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[color=blue]Genetically totally different, but hey they are both brown skinned so they must be the same, right?[color]
He's not saying they are the same, they have been put into the same social group by people comparing them simply because of the culture we have in britian where people of any Middle Eastern tend to group together whilst Oriental/african/caribean/white people normally mix it up... Then you have places down south where every one is segrigated....
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They have different humour You can tell somebody a joke in Pakistan and the guy in Yemen wont Laugh Because he cant hear it boom boom and F;;;ing boom
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Originally Posted by Scrap
They have different humour You can tell somebody a joke in Pakistan and the guy in Yemen wont Laugh Because he cant hear it boom boom and F;;;ing boom
;D
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Originally Posted by LarryB
People seem to forget about Naz
Right now Amir is no where near as good and i dont think he has the natural talent Naz had.
As much as i hated him i think if he stayed with Ingle, didnt listen his yes men brothers plus belive his own hype he would be still around today maybe number 1 p4p
check out this vid i did on him
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...q=naseem+hamed
that video is old, it is certainly not yours
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Originally Posted by LarryB
People seem to forget about Naz
Right now Amir is no where near as good and i dont think he has the natural talent Naz had.
As much as i hated him i think if he stayed with Ingle, didnt listen his yes men brothers plus belive his own hype he would be still around today maybe number 1 p4p
check out this vid i did on him
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...q=naseem+hamed
Are you Daisukey?
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I think that you cannot be so swift to judge naseem. Sure he was arrogant and annoying and if you weren't supporting him he was obnoxious in and out of the ring, but that was his style. He fought in a very all or nothing kind of way. His style is similar to that of the drunken master in kkung fu where you intentionally seem to be off balance so you canthrow punches from directions people do not expect, therefore opening up their defences. The weakness to fighting this way is when you do get caught you get caught hard and it is also not a very good style when under pressure of fighting in close. Barrera was not cautious of Naseem during the fight, and went forwards. To be honest he did not always employ fair boxing skill (head to turnbuckle) :o but did fairly beat hamed who unfortunately could not recover his ego to fight in his old style without which he was nothing. A sad loss for boxing!
"But he was an arrogant prick," yeah perhaps but he was amazing to watch. Only 6 people inhis career lasted the distance and that was entertaining to watch and so was his flamboyant nature entering and inside the ring (although he did sound like a wanker in his post fight interviews). Whether you watched him hoping for a spectacle or hoping to see him get knocked out you watched him and he provided entertainment. I would love to see another fighter like him which turns a division upside down. Although not Amir Khan because I think he could have a genuine long fight career where as fighting in this style is always going to cause a shorter career.
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Originally Posted by chrisbird13
I think that you cannot be so swift to judge naseem. Sure he was arrogant and annoying and if you weren't supporting him he was obnoxious in and out of the ring, but that was his style. He fought in a very all or nothing kind of way. His style is similar to that of the drunken master in kkung fu where you intentionally seem to be off balance so you canthrow punches from directions people do not expect, therefore opening up their defences. The weakness to fighting this way is when you do get caught you get caught hard and it is also not a very good style when under pressure of fighting in close. Barrera was not cautious of Naseem during the fight, and went forwards. To be honest he did not always employ fair boxing skill (head to turnbuckle) :o but did fairly beat hamed who unfortunately could not recover his ego to fight in his old style without which he was nothing. A sad loss for boxing!
"But he was an arrogant prick," yeah perhaps but he was amazing to watch. Only 6 people inhis career lasted the distance and that was entertaining to watch and so was his flamboyant nature entering and inside the ring (although he did sound like a wanker in his post fight interviews). Whether you watched him hoping for a spectacle or hoping to see him get knocked out you watched him and he provided entertainment. I would love to see another fighter like him which turns a division upside down. Although not Amir Khan because I think he could have a genuine long fight career where as fighting in this style is always going to cause a shorter career.
nice post CC
But i wouldn't say that Naz was obnoxious outside the ring, he was a nice man.
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Actually I think they are both overratted.
I don't expect Amir to win a world title any time soon if at all, unless it's the WBU title.
He has talent for sure but his defense is terrible, he wastes far too much energy leaping and jumping around the ring and he can't punch.
He's exciting to watch but as soon as he gets in with a fighter who can fight and punch he's going to get stopped.
His first real test will come when he faces Kevin Mitchell some time next year. I think he will get stopped to be honest.
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Mitchell defence is just as bad and his power is hype.
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I don't rate Naz or Kahn.
Naz fought one top fighter and got his ass whipped everyone else he fought was at an angle, they guys were old, shot, or up and comers
Kahn hasn't done enough to be talked about this much
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Re: My opinion of Amir Khan
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Originally Posted by The_One77
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Originally Posted by LarryB
People seem to forget about Naz
Right now Amir is no where near as good and i dont think he has the natural talent Naz had.
As much as i hated him i think if he stayed with Ingle, didnt listen his yes men brothers plus belive his own hype he would be still around today maybe number 1 p4p
check out this vid i did on him
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...q=naseem+hamed
that video is old, it is certainly not yours
No, im not claiming I made that Vid
Ive met the guy who did it though.
looking at makes you remember how skilled he was although his calibre of oppenents wasnt great
