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A great fight. That 11th rd is up definitely up for round of the year. I scored the fight for Barrera, 115-114, cuz I scored rd 11, 10-10. But I won't dispute anyone who claimed it was a draw.
And I thought both guys stock rose off of this performance. Juarez made me want to see more of him. And Barrera just added to his great legacy.
Agreed ;D
Barerra also showed he isn't ready for Pacquiao yet
never thought he would ever be ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Starr
think we may have witnessed the end of a fantastic career... still would like to see him end on a nice easy win.
but Rocky is the future great preformance... if im critical i'd have like to see him throw more punches but hes a great new star 8)
barrera cant beat pac no way no how
I did not expect Juarez to give him such a hard fight. It was a damn close fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saddo
CC boss, i'm right there with you. i'd add though--a fantastic end to a fantastic career. i think he definitely won the fight--though it was very close. i'd like to see juarez in there with pacquiau in the next couple of years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saddo
I agree with McCrory. Juarez is a bit one-paced. He needs to be able to step it up a bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saddo
As far as Pac goes, if Barrera comes prepared, I reckon he wins. He just needs to be in shape. Pac is still incredibly one-dimensional. Problem might be Barrera's stamina now. He could struggle with the pace Pac sets.
Juarez has booming power but he needs to learn to be more aggressive,spend more effort on the body and use the jab more. He needs to let his hands go more. MAB CANNOT handle Pacquiao based on that performance. Pacman is crude but what he does,no one does better. I can see MAB hdlding Pacman up for a while but I saw MAB's stamina decrease slightly,so I could see Pacman steamrolling him later in the fight. However,I will always maintain,the MAB that beat Hamed could beat Pac, as he could fight defensively and go to war.
what do you mean a draw?
It was then later declared that Barrera won right? a split decision
Agreed. I think that MAB can beat Pac the next time out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Clydey_2_Times
i second that....barrera is extremely intelligent as a fighter....pac has his one and only gameplan...Quote:
Originally Posted by wacko3205
Have to dissagree... manny Pac by tko most likely even quicker ;)
i wouldn't be sad to see Barrera hang them up now on a win and look back on a great pro career streaching over 18 year :o i think 8)
I had it six rounds a piece...I hope MAB is man enough to give Rocky a rematch
I honestly think this would be a great time for Barrera to retire.
How the hell can you say you hope he is 'man enough' ?? are you new to this guy? And do you honestly think MAB should give him a rematch? it was his tittle, he defended it, he won the fight, why the hell would he want to give the guy another shot?Quote:
Originally Posted by VanChilds
Hes got 1 MAYBE 2 fights left in him at this level, if he carrys on he will want to get one back on pacman or go out by finishing of morales
come on, think before you post for god sake
Naaa,no way Juarez gets a rematch seeing as he was lucky to get the shot in the first place,he had done nothing to earn one and he performed well,has made a name for himself but coupled with the fact that MAB only has a few fights left,no way!
preme, take your self righteous attitude and kiss my $$...MAB's "victory" is very suspect...they declare it a draw then come back and change it...If he is the great mexican warrior then he shouldn't want such a cloud of controversey over his win and fight Rocky again. Regardless of the scoring of the fight MAB was much worse for the wear at the end of that fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Preme
You're just a hater. First, they didn't "change" anything--they just did the addition wrong the first time. No one went back and changed their scoring. He won the fight and they basically announced it wrong at first.Quote:
Originally Posted by VanChilds
Second, give me a break on the "if he is the great mexican warrior" nonsense. This was preme's whole point, as I took it: the man has proven his pedigree over 60+ fights against the best. He's been in plenty of wars and hasn't backed down. Juarez didn't do shit to earn the shot in the first place--Barrera gave him a break. And Juarez took advantage of it and looked good. He lost (and he did lose) a very close fight against a legend--it definitely helps him career-wise regardless of whether he gets a rematch.
Third, yes Barrera looked worse at the end of the fight. But as another poster put it, this was a boxing match, not a street fight, so you have to score rounds. You don't get to the end of a fight and just declare the less bloody guy to be winner. Then B-Hop would have won the first Taylor fight (ok, bad example). ;D
All I got to say is Grizzly Adams DID have a beard. >:mad
And I thought a draw was fair.
there's no controversy because there's no air of him losing. he either won the fight or it was a draw. So either result is fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by VanChilds
some of yall are taking MAB's win/draw whatever a little personal...I don't care about the guy one way or the other....he fights hard and puts on a good show..as I said I gave him 6 rounds..and the fact that he is so accomplished and done so much is exactly the reason he should rematch Rocky. Either Rocky is alot better than previously believed or MAB just didn't bring 100% and can show it by beating the guy beyond a shadow of a doubt. He owes it himself and to the fans...Who else is he going to fight? Morales again..no...JMM..probably not....Paq...maybe...why not rocky again?
Barrios and Jesus Chavez
That's a different point, mate. I'd be happy to see him fight Rocky again, I just don't think he owes it to him or that it has anything to do with his "manhood."Quote:
Originally Posted by VanChilds
Let me ask you this..if Rocky had won that fight would you feel he "owed" MAB a rematch? Your ansewr is probably yes b/c MAB was the champ and is an established legend. I'd argue these are the same reasons MAB owes it to him. He barely won a controversial decision and owes it to Rocky let him prove whos is the better fighter. I think if you are the champ and have a close decision that could have gone either way you owe it to yourself the other guy and the fans to do it again and find out who really should have won. These are the fights that make history.
I think it does make a difference who had the belt going into the fight, yes. More important, though, is I disagree that it could have gone either way. I thought "draw" was a bad decision when they (mis-)announced it. A decision for Juarez would have been very wrong--his own corner knew that, since they were telling him from R10 on that he needed a KO to win.Quote:
Originally Posted by VanChilds
CC, that's a good point. I thought the same thing when Juarez was acting like he got stiffed by a draw--it seemed like it was all promo, given that everyone in his corner had been telling him he'd lose on points.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Bob
I really dont think the opinion of a fighters corner has much to do with it guys...so what if they thought they were behind...would it make a difference if they had been telling him he was ahead the whole time?...I thought it was a draw and personally thought MAB would get the nod b/c of his status and that he was the champ, not b/c he deserved it. I personally had it 6-6 but I could see how someone could give to MAB 7 rounds to 5 but not any higher due to the closeness of several rounds...I thought Rocky soundly won the 3rd and 5 of the last six rounds
Whereas a fighter's corner often (stupidly, IMO) tells their guy that he's "doing great" when he's clearly losing and they know it, you never see a corner telling their guy "you're losing on points and you need a KO" unless they really see it that way. You're not going to throw your guy out there and basically prod him to be reckless unless it's truly necessary.Quote:
Originally Posted by VanChilds