Was Barerra found out last night?

Now i have your attention, Barrera wins a very close fight over a 25-1 natural featherweight and gets superlatives thrown at him.....some posters claiming this fight completes his legacy. Majority of posters go on 2 congratulate him for being in such a great fight. Now this is all good but then.....

You come to Ricky hatton who last week won a very close but unanimous decision over a 26-1 fighter who also happened to be a world champion, as wel as bein a naturally heavier fighter.

Strange how hatton gets labelled 'over rated' whereas the worst Barrera gets is 'exciting'

Also seems strange how a lot of u guys congratulate juarez on being a great fighter and 'the future' of the super featherweight division.

How come there isn't such plaudits for collazo? I think i have only seen Wacko give collazo the deserved credit.

IMHO both fights were very exciting and rather than bag on any of the fighters, we should congratulate and thank all 4 fighters for providin very good entertainment and value for money. At the end of the day any one of these fighters has more courage then the whole of this forum combined. They are the guys layin it all on the line....we are jus the guys sittin comfortably behind our keyboards, picking reasons to fault them.

I'll tell you why... People are still realling over Jeff Lacy and Hatton being a tough fight gives those people an chance to try and get Calzaghe fans (who they assume are also Hatton fans) 'back for it' :P

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Originally Posted by ono

Now i have your attention, Barrera wins a very close fight over a 25-1 natural featherweight and gets superlatives thrown at him.....some posters claiming this fight completes his legacy. Majority of posters go on 2 congratulate him for being in such a great fight. Now this is all good but then.....

You come to Ricky hatton who last week won a very close but unanimous decision over a 26-1 fighter who also happened to be a world champion, as wel as bein a naturally heavier fighter.

Strange how hatton gets labelled 'over rated' whereas the worst Barrera gets is 'exciting'

Also seems strange how a lot of u guys congratulate juarez on being a great fighter and 'the future' of the super featherweight division.

How come there isn't such plaudits for collazo? I think i have only seen Wacko give collazo the deserved credit.

IMHO both fights were very exciting and rather than bag on any of the fighters, we should congratulate and thank all 4 fighters for providin very good entertainment and value for money. At the end of the day any one of these fighters has more courage then the whole of this forum combined. They are the guys layin it all on the line....we are jus the guys sittin comfortably behind our keyboards, picking reasons to fault them.

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barrera has done this his whole career and now is on the slide after 60 plus fights and many ring wars and was in with a fighter who was stronger and more powerful than him who had him in trouble but barrera didn't take a step back but fought fire with fire, he readjusted a lot in the fight which showed his versatility

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Originally Posted by ono

Now i have your attention, Barrera wins a very close fight over a 25-1 natural featherweight and gets superlatives thrown at him.....some posters claiming this fight completes his legacy. Majority of posters go on 2 congratulate him for being in such a great fight. Now this is all good but then.....

You come to Ricky hatton who last week won a very close but unanimous decision over a 26-1 fighter who also happened to be a world champion, as wel as bein a naturally heavier fighter.

Strange how hatton gets labelled 'over rated' whereas the worst Barrera gets is 'exciting'

Also seems strange how a lot of u guys congratulate juarez on being a great fighter and 'the future' of the super featherweight division.

How come there isn't such plaudits for collazo? I think i have only seen Wacko give collazo the deserved credit.

IMHO both fights were very exciting and rather than bag on any of the fighters, we should congratulate and thank all 4 fighters for providin very good entertainment and value for money. At the end of the day any one of these fighters has more courage then the whole of this forum combined. They are the guys layin it all on the line....we are jus the guys sittin comfortably behind our keyboards, picking reasons to fault them.

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You make some compelling points. Yes, Collazo deserves the accolades, same as Juarez. Yes, they were both action-packed, exciting fights, where both Hatton and Barrera in their respective fights put it all on the line. Yes, people ragging on Hatton as overrated might be accused of being a little unfair.

But that's as far as it goes. IMO, Hatton does not yet have the resume of a Barrera. Barrera has 60+ victories over some very tough competition. And many of them outside the friendly confines of his own hometown. It can be argued that Hatton's first victory over a world-reknown fighter was against Tszyu. It can also be argued that Hatton enjoyed a clear-cut hometown advantage, with a referee the likes of which are rarely seen on this side of the world. I'm not saying he was bad, but he'd never get too many big fights here.

That victory over Tzsyu has, again... IMO, unjustifiably propelled Hatton into many people's p4p lists. How about scores of other fighters? Who have meticulously carved out records over much more impressive opponents?

Hey, I'm just as guilty of wanting Miguel Cotto to hurry up and fill the void left by the departure of Tito. And in doing so, I'm probably guilty of piling too much glory, too soon, on a fighter that still has to prove himself as one of the all-time greats. So I can understand. Boxing brings out the nationalistic pride in people like few other sporting events can.

In short, being objective in boxing is VERY difficult to do.

I'm not disputing the fact that barrera's resume is far better than Hatton's....and yes the Tszyu fight maybe proprelled him into the limelight a little faster then maybe even hatton would have hoped. Barrera is an all time great....but what happened last night IMO is not a million miles away from what happened last weekend with hatton and collazo. My point is this: People need 2 see Hatton for what he is, which is a gutsy determined warrior. The guy has so much heart which is backed up with good skill, good speed and excellent body attacks (when he uses them). He's never going to severly outbox any world class fighter like mayweather can do. I just feel that rather then look for reasons to slate him, he should just be appreciated for what he is. I suppose we can relate bcos the same people that bag hatton after every mistake also bag cotto everytime he is in an exciting fight. Without these guys boxin would become boring.

CC for that, my boxing fan friend.

Barrera and Hatton both won on points against guys that could have won if they put more effort in

Because Juarez didn't win that fight. And Hatton didn't.

Because Barerra was the champion. And Hatton wasn't.

And please, if you want to try to convince me that Juarez won that fight 7-5 or 8-4 like Collazo did to Ricky you are sadly mistaken ;)

oh and wacko had Collazo winning too :lickish:

the differnce with juarez was everybody knew that he was a very good fighter and nobody really knew collazo and i feel that barrea has still got it in him to be a world champion for a long time

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Originally Posted by Starr

oh and wacko had Collazo winning too :lickish:

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Collazo did win that fight...he mighta lost his belt & gained & L on his record...but he won that fight...where is Ricky with the rematch?

There won't be a rematch because Hatton will probably drop to 140 for Witter or some other who knows who.

Poor Collazo.

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Originally Posted by Starr

oh and wacko had Collazo winning too :lickish:

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Collazo did win that fight...he mighta lost his belt & gained & L on his record...but he won that fight...where is Ricky with the rematch?

There won't be a rematch because Hatton will probably drop to 140 for Witter or some other who knows who.

Poor Collazo.

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Poor Dave Tiberi (against Toney), he was so pissed off, he never fought again;

Poor Felix Strum against de la Hoya

Poor Axel Schultz against Foreman

Poor Jimmy Young against Ali

Poor Pat Cowdell against Salvador Sanchez

Poor Tommy Farr against Joe Louis

All these fighters can argue they deserved more than what they got against Superb opposition, but that is boxing... ;)

You forgot about the Columbian that Joe Louis fought and won via a SD ;) But Joe took care of him in the rematch

You also left out the true biggest robberies ever

ODH-Mosley II
ODH-Trinidad
HAGLER-LEONARD
HEARNS-LEONARD II

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Originally Posted by Lyle

You also left out the true biggest robberies ever

ODH-Mosley II
ODH-Trinidad
HAGLER-LEONARD
HEARNS-LEONARD II

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No, I was trying to give examples of good fighters, who lost, but may of felt hard done by, and were never the same again in the ring (I am taking an assumption about Strum, he may very well prove me wrong). Because I suspect sadly for Collazo he may never quite be as good as he was against Hatton, again...

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Originally Posted by ono

Now i have your attention, Barrera wins a very close fight over a 25-1 natural featherweight and gets superlatives thrown at him.....some posters claiming this fight completes his legacy. Majority of posters go on 2 congratulate him for being in such a great fight. Now this is all good but then.....

You come to Ricky hatton who last week won a very close but unanimous decision over a 26-1 fighter who also happened to be a world champion, as wel as bein a naturally heavier fighter.

Strange how hatton gets labelled 'over rated' whereas the worst Barrera gets is 'exciting'

Also seems strange how a lot of u guys congratulate juarez on being a great fighter and 'the future' of the super featherweight division.

How come there isn't such plaudits for collazo? I think i have only seen Wacko give collazo the deserved credit.

IMHO both fights were very exciting and rather than bag on any of the fighters, we should congratulate and thank all 4 fighters for providin very good entertainment and value for money. At the end of the day any one of these fighters has more courage then the whole of this forum combined. They are the guys layin it all on the line....we are jus the guys sittin comfortably behind our keyboards, picking reasons to fault them.

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Sorry, I missed it mate, did Barrera declare today that he was abandoning his jr. lightweight campaign to go back down to feather?

And if Ricky had been fighting for 16 years and had been steadily on everyone's p4p and elite lists for close to 10 of those years, constantly proving himself against the best, and if then Collazo was a well-respected and YOUNGER (six years) fighter on the rise, i think he'd get labeled as "being on the way to the end of a great career/ starting to show some cracks from age, etc." rather than "overrated/ maybe not that great in the first place." It's a bad analogy.

taken from another post....

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Originally Posted by Violent Bob

yeah, no question. i'm a big fan of ricky's too, but he wouldn't last 8 rounds with lamotta.

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Who do these new guys think there kidding ::**

on another note Ricky has been on holiday in Florida since the fight his options are still open... no desision has been made yet ;)

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yeah, no question. i'm a big fan of ricky's too, but he wouldn't last 8 rounds with lamotta.

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Who do these new guys think there kidding ::**

on another note Ricky has been on holiday in Florida since the fight his options are still open... no desision has been made yet ;)

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He's entertaining to watch. I'm a fan in that sense--I will not change the channel on a Hatton match--they're some of the best matches to see. That's not inconsistent with thinking he's not a top 10 p4p fighter, or to think that people who say so are overrating him. He's good, not great. He's great to watch though.

fair point ;)

Can we stick to the point?

Barrera got knocked around the ring last night, he really got wobbled on a few occasions and I am not convinced he did enough to win the fight he has been awarded on a dubious recount.
Yet many folk have been quick to shower him with praise as is their wont...
However, when Ricky hatton wins a unanimous decision in a hard fought contest he is totally rubbished by many folk here.
Both fights were wars and were entertaining but both fighters were not treated equally or fairly.
There are a lot of Hatton bashers who don't care if he wins, or has an unbeaten record, or is a two weight world champion.
All they care about is tearing him down at every opportunity.

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Can we stick to the point?

Barrera got knocked around the ring last night, he really got wobbled on a few occasions and I am not convinced he did enough to win the fight he has been awarded on a dubious recount.
Yet many folk have been quick to shower him with praise as is their wont...
However, when Ricky hatton wins a unanimous decision in a hard fought contest he is totally rubbished by many folk here.
Both fights were wars and were entertaining but both fighters were not treated equally or fairly.
There are a lot of Hatton bashers who don't care if he wins, or has an unbeaten record, or is a two weight world champion.
All they care about is tearing him down at every opportunity.

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Can we stick to the point?

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Sorry :-[

let me sum this up how i see it....

Hatton has alot more haters than Barrera ;D

Was that fight supposed to be close? I am watching it right now and friggin MAB won 6 rounds out of 7 and then won a couple more...close? Nah, MAB won pretty clear.

MAB-Freitas anyone?
MAB-Raheem
Juarez-Barrios
Juarez-Morales

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Was that fight supposed to be close? I am watching it right now and friggin MAB won 6 rounds out of 7 and then won a couple more...close? Nah, MAB won pretty clear.

MAB-Freitas anyone?
MAB-Raheem
Juarez-Barrios
Juarez-Morales

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Juarez-Pacquiao, MAB-Pacquiao II. Morales should retire--we'll see how he fares in Pacquiao III, but I don't think it'll end well for him.

Barrera looks to be wearing down. He won't want many more fights like that one. Also Juarez is talented. His workrate might need to improve but he is an accurate puncher with boxing ability. His right hand over MAB's jab worked all night and his left hook is a thing of beauty. If he gets a rematch and fights with more urgency he is a big chance to take MAB out and retire him

Was Barerra found out? Was hatton exposed? blah, blah, blah, blah. These are the fights at the championship level folks. They're not all easy.

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Originally Posted by Starr

Because Juarez didn't win that fight. And Hatton didn't.

Because Barerra was the champion. And Hatton wasn't.

And please, if you want to try to convince me that Juarez won that fight 7-5 or 8-4 like Collazo did to Ricky you are sadly mistaken ;)

oh and wacko had Collazo winning too :lickish:

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disagree. barrera and hatton both won IMO...

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Originally Posted by Saddo

let me sum this up how i see it....

Hatton has alot more haters than Barrera ;D

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Flippant remark, and untrue, as you know ;)

IMO the two fights were completely different.

Hatton is making his way up, trying to show that one day he may become a Great one. And he has made amazing strides, culminating in beating the brilliant Kostya Tszyu. And because he was so good against Tszyu everybody has such high expectations about his performances since.

Against Collazo for the first time ever, he did not meet up to them expectations, and has taken a lot grief for that. Some deserved, some a bit harsh, some completely over the top.

Barrera is comming to the end of a superb career, he is perhaps showing signs of wear and tear from 12+ years of fighting at the very top. He is defiantly less consistant than he was at his best, and perhaps will only rise to the occasion when there is another superb fighter in the opposite corner.

Because of this when he merely fights a very good fighter, like Juarez, he struggles. But because Barrera has given us all one hell of a ride over the last 10 years or so, perhaps unlike Hatton he gets more of the benefit of the doubt?

Well summed up BK ;)

CC

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Originally Posted by Starr

Because Barerra was the champion. And Hatton wasn't.

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This is not the 1950's any more mate.

People may charge me, possibly quite rightly, of lacking a contemporary view of boxing in the 21st Century. But even I accept that the ending of a challenger needing to dominate a champion to get a points win, is a good thing. And virtually everybody was saying as far back as Holyfield/BoweII it was a good thing.

I like how you called Starr mate.

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I like how you called Starr mate.

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haha,I was about to say that.CC Britkid,good points,you're a good role model to follow and um I don't think anyone has EVER won an argument against you,not since I have been here!!
Back to the post,again,a poor thread,a draw or split victory is not being found out in any sense of the word! That is a complete over exaggeration,I see it like this.MAB did not really want to fight Rocky,heck Rocky did nothing to get his shot,and MAB thought he was going make history by beating Chavez but when that was cancelled,maybe he found it difficult to get motivated for this one? In any case,I expect to see an improved MAB fighting Pacman early next year hopefully!

I agree with the game . Barrera didnt really want this fight . I suspect motivatrion was a problem and as he walked into the ring smiling with the fans he didnt have the burning intensity weve seen in his big fights . He even started the first couple of rounds like he fought Pedan . jabs movement but it was like he was just going through the motions . He realisd he was in a fight at the end of the 3rd and he was dealing with the facial damage more so than Rockys 1 dimensional style .

Surprisngly though he was still able to fight at pace and at times went back to his old brawling style . He fought back cuz he had to but I think his natural stamina is starting to fail him now . It was very hard for him in there but like a true champ there was no quit in him . He deserved it in the end but it puts a new light on a possible pac rematch

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I agree with the game . Barrera didnt really want this fight . I suspect motivatrion was a problem and as he walked into the ring smiling with the fans he didnt have the burning intensity weve seen in his big fights . He even started the first couple of rounds like he fought Pedan . jabs movement but it was like he was just going through the motions . He realisd he was in a fight at the end of the 3rd and he was dealing with the facial damage more so than Rockys 1 dimensional style .

Surprisngly though he was still able to fight at pace and at times went back to his old brawling style . He fought back cuz he had to but I think his natural stamina is starting to fail him now . It was very hard for him in there but like a true champ there was no quit in him . He deserved it in the end but it puts a new light on a possible pac rematch

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CC for being a realist ,I know you are a massive MAB fan but I don't see how he could handle Pacman towards the later rounds if their fight went that long. Juarez was powerful and did damage,Pac is just sooo much more. I wish prime MAB fought Pac,I'd take Mab anyday!

no the difference between Hatton and Barrera is that MAB has fought and looked well against GREAT opposition, and another thing is that Barrera has been doing it for already 16 yrs, unlike Hatton, the years and wars are catching up to him and well he doesn't have that many great fights left. for his wear and tear i think he looked great

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Originally Posted by ono

Now i have your attention, Barrera wins a very close fight over a 25-1 natural featherweight and gets superlatives thrown at him.....some posters claiming this fight completes his legacy. Majority of posters go on 2 congratulate him for being in such a great fight. Now this is all good but then.....

You come to Ricky hatton who last week won a very close but unanimous decision over a 26-1 fighter who also happened to be a world champion, as wel as bein a naturally heavier fighter.

Strange how hatton gets labelled 'over rated' whereas the worst Barrera gets is 'exciting'

Also seems strange how a lot of u guys congratulate juarez on being a great fighter and 'the future' of the super featherweight division.

How come there isn't such plaudits for collazo? I think i have only seen Wacko give collazo the deserved credit.

IMHO both fights were very exciting and rather than bag on any of the fighters, we should congratulate and thank all 4 fighters for providin very good entertainment and value for money. At the end of the day any one of these fighters has more courage then the whole of this forum combined. They are the guys layin it all on the line....we are jus the guys sittin comfortably behind our keyboards, picking reasons to fault them.

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Sorry, I missed it mate, did Barrera declare today that he was abandoning his jr. lightweight campaign to go back down to feather?

And if Ricky had been fighting for 16 years and had been steadily on everyone's p4p and elite lists for close to 10 of those years, constantly proving himself against the best, and if then Collazo was a well-respected and YOUNGER (six years) fighter on the rise, i think he'd get labeled as "being on the way to the end of a great career/ starting to show some cracks from age, etc." rather than "overrated/ maybe not that great in the first place." It's a bad analogy.

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I never once said hatton was on his way to being a great. And i'm solely comparing the fights of this last weekend and the weekend before. I'm not comparing there overall careers. Oh and Ricky said he would take the best available at either weight.

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I agree with the game . Barrera didnt really want this fight . I suspect motivatrion was a problem and as he walked into the ring smiling with the fans he didnt have the burning intensity weve seen in his big fights . He even started the first couple of rounds like he fought Pedan . jabs movement but it was like he was just going through the motions . He realisd he was in a fight at the end of the 3rd and he was dealing with the facial damage more so than Rockys 1 dimensional style .

Surprisngly though he was still able to fight at pace and at times went back to his old brawling style . He fought back cuz he had to but I think his natural stamina is starting to fail him now . It was very hard for him in there but like a true champ there was no quit in him . He deserved it in the end but it puts a new light on a possible pac rematch

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CC for being a realist ,I know you are a massive MAB fan but I don't see how he could handle Pacman towards the later rounds if their fight went that long. Juarez was powerful and did damage,Pac is just sooo much more. I wish prime MAB fought Pac,I'd take Mab anyday!

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Av 1 back .

Heres to Barrera beating Pac at super bantam in his prime years :beerchug: He could keep pace then for 12 rounds and remain throwing classy combos with power and keep his defence water tight .

On Saturday he struggled and although he fought well I could see he was well knackered . Between rounds his head was down and at times his jab was to keep Juarez off him whilst he got his breath . It could be that he had a bad night and greats comeback so we'l wait and see . Maybe he just needed a wake up call cuz he looked like he was going through the motions alot in the early goings . I expect him to be more focused against Pac though

I must admit in the 4th round with his bloody nose after getting wobbled I thought it was guna be a bad night . Barrera was out of his comfort zone and it looked like the Pac fight all over again . Fortunatley Juarez doesnt apply pressure well and doesnt throw that many shots otherwise Barrera could have lost . Im actually surprised he had as much stamina as he did and looking back at the replay he actually dished out alot of offense to Juarez at times . In the end I think he was a deserving winner but there cant be too much left in the tank . With a bit of luck Morales adds afew more miles to Pacs clock in the fall

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MAB-Freitas anyone?
MAB-Raheem
Juarez-Barrios
Juarez-Morales

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OMG ???

You forgot my boy.



MAB-PAC II pls ;D

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Originally Posted by Starr

Because Barerra was the champion. And Hatton wasn't.

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This is not the 1950's any more mate.

People may charge me, possibly quite rightly, of lacking a contemporary view of boxing in the 21st Century. But even I accept that the ending of a challenger needing to dominate a champion to get a points win, is a good thing. And virtually everybody was saying as far back as Holyfield/BoweII it was a good thing.

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Did you just call me mate like we was friends or something?

We're still rivals Britkid ;)

And sometimes I wish it was back in the 1950's when fighters had guts and actually fought the best with our without titles they fought the best.

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Originally Posted by Starr

Because Barerra was the champion. And Hatton wasn't.

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This is not the 1950's any more mate.

People may charge me, possibly quite rightly, of lacking a contemporary view of boxing in the 21st Century. But even I accept that the ending of a challenger needing to dominate a champion to get a points win, is a good thing. And virtually everybody was saying as far back as Holyfield/BoweII it was a good thing.

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Did you just call me mate like we was friends or something?

We're still rivals Britkid ;)

And sometimes I wish it was back in the 1950's when fighters had guts and actually fought the best with our without titles they fought the best.

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No, he called you "mate" like you were a dude.

He may have a point.

I always thought mate meant friend ???

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He may have a point.

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jus cause I got bigger huevos balls guts then any other poster don't make me a dude ;D :-X