Frank Bruno or Danny Williams

I got talking about this and it would be interesting to get a general consensus from the average boxing fans . Not based on historical achievement cuz Bruno achieved the WBC title all beit at his 4th attempt .Its more to do with who has more to offer and who is the better fighter . Matched against each other who would be the puncher and how might it go ? Obviously Tyson is the formline .

Bruno may have had the biigger punch but didnt let them go like Danny could
Prime for prime Danny had better stamina
Bruno could take a better punch but couldnt recover as quick as Danny could

Your thoughts ? . . . .

Bruno in a second

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Originally Posted by GAME

Bruno could take a better punch but couldnt recover as quick as Danny could

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haha! Bruno had a weak chin, danny can take a better punch imo

Bruno lacked the heart of a boxer, he had more than enough to be a good champion, he cuda whiped tyson to... he just never had the heart, the killer instinct. Thats why Tyson won, thats why Bruno was never a great, he lacked the one thing you couldn't teach.

Gotta go with Bruno ;)

I see him knocking out Williams ;)

Bruno only really struggled with the elite... but he still had his moments with Lewis and i think he was the first ever guy to hurt a prime Tyson ((even if it only was for a second))

Bruno only lost to world champions (with the exception of Smith, although he was a top contender), and he was nearly always beating these guys until he ran out of steam and got tagged.

He was the first man to stagger Tyson, he almost beat Tim Witherspoon and Bonecrusher Smith, he gave Lewis a tough time until he got caught and he absolutely destroyed second rate fighters.

Do you you really think that bum that Danny Williams beat this week would have lasted a round with Bruno?

He was a huge puncher and would have knocked out Skelton, Williams and Harrison with ease. He'd actually have a real chance of beating any of the heavies out there right now if he was fighting in this era, including Wladimir.

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Originally Posted by Preme

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Originally Posted by GAME

Bruno could take a better punch but couldnt recover as quick as Danny could

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haha! Bruno had a weak chin, danny can take a better punch imo

Bruno lacked the heart of a boxer, he had more than enough to be a good champion, he cuda whiped tyson to... he just never had the heart, the killer instinct. Thats why Tyson won, thats why Bruno was never a great, he lacked the one thing you couldn't teach.

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What I meant was Bruno took big punches off Lewis and stayed on his feet . Danny was wobbled by Sprot and floored by Potter . I reckon it takes a harder punch to wobble Frank but Danny comes back better Bruno seems to freeze whereas Danny shakes it off and is back to normal . I also reckon Bruno has mixed in a higher class

Danny actually beat Tyson albeit a faded one :( And Tyson's knee giving out was a factor in that fight ;D

Anyway, I'd pick Bruno. He actually performed well in his moments to shine. Whilst Danny met Vitali :D

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Originally Posted by Preme

haha! Bruno had a weak chin,

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Then I guess, you have not seen much of Bruno then; or you were not watching properly...

Look at the punch he took of Jumbo Cummings, or the right after right he was taking off of Bonecrusher, he stayed up right for an age, hardly a sign of a soft chin.

Apart from an initial knockdown in the first few seconds of the first fight, he took his licks off of Tyson on his feet. Lewis could not deck him.

Bruno had an excellent chin, he just lacked natural survival techniques.

As for who was better; Bruno or Williams; I edge to Bruno slightly, he was a lot more consistant and always in condition, Williams has lot more natural talent, but a lack of confidence in his own abilities and IMO laziness, sometimes hinder him.

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Originally Posted by Britkid

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Originally Posted by Preme

haha! Bruno had a weak chin,

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Then I guess, you have not seen much of Bruno then; or you were not watching properly...

Look at the punch he took of Jumbo Cummings, or the right after right he was taking off of Bonecrusher, he stayed up right for an age, hardly a sign of a soft chin.

Apart from an initial knockdown in the first few seconds of the first fight, he took his licks off of Tyson on his feet. Lewis could not deck him.

Bruno had an excellent chin, he just lacked natural survival techniques.

As for who was better; Bruno or Williams; I edge to Bruno slightly, he was a lot more consistant and always in condition, Williams has lot more natural talent, but a lack of confidence in his own abilities and IMO laziness, sometimes hinder him.

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yup ya summed it perfectly ;)

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Originally Posted by Britkid

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Originally Posted by Preme

haha! Bruno had a weak chin,

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Then I guess, you have not seen much of Bruno then; or you were not watching properly...

Look at the punch he took of Jumbo Cummings, or the right after right he was taking off of Bonecrusher, he stayed up right for an age, hardly a sign of a soft chin.

Apart from an initial knockdown in the first few seconds of the first fight, he took his licks off of Tyson on his feet. Lewis could not deck him.

Bruno had an excellent chin, he just lacked natural survival techniques.

As for who was better; Bruno or Williams; I edge to Bruno slightly, he was a lot more consistant and always in condition, Williams has lot more natural talent, but a lack of confidence in his own abilities and IMO laziness, sometimes hinder him.

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Yup agreed 100% Lewis is an example of a fighter who had a weak chin, one punch and it was all over. At least with Bruno it was one punch, then drops arms and takes 10 more punches, then all over ;D

Danny Williams has a lot of talent but is probably one of the most inconsistent fighters out there today. When he fought lastnite against that German fella, he caught him wit a flash knockdown in the first n den fell asleep until the fight was stopped because of a cut. Bruno vs Williams, no doubt the man who nearly had Tyson on the canvas in their first fight would dispose of Williams inside the distance. On the other hand Danny has a lot of improving to do and in the future i may change my mind.

I already mentioned this in another thread, but I really don't give much credence to Tyson's knee giving out against Williams. I saw a fighter continue to fight for two rounds with a broken ankle once who refused to let the doctor stop the fight til he was a sitting duck. Williams beat a Tyson that probably everyone here felt would make Williams a one round victim. Tyson just didn't have it any more.

That said, I voted for Williams based on his win over Tyson plus the fact he held up til the late rounds against Vitali. Just explaining my reasoning it doesn't mean I am right,

Bruno - Not only IMO did he possess more skill than Danny Williams but he also had somethings which i think Williams is lacking and they are heart and self belief :-\

i like both these fighters, in the quest to be world champ the have both bit more then they can chew which shows good heart. dannys a nice guy most of the time, he's got a decent level of skill and takes a good punch as well as having one

franks a good guy to, big, strong and musles the size of mountines, if he had holyfields chin and heart he would have seriosly hurt alot of guys ( thankfully he didn't ) he only ever lost to world champs

frank to win by ko

bruno was the better fighter....

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Originally Posted by dickilad90

Danny Williams has a lot of talent but is probably one of the most inconsistent fighters out there today. When he fought lastnite against that German fella, he caught him wit a flash knockdown in the first n den fell asleep until the fight was stopped because of a cut. Bruno vs Williams, no doubt the man who nearly had Tyson on the canvas in their first fight would dispose of Williams inside the distance. On the other hand Danny has a lot of improving to do and in the future i may change my mind.

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He'd not ben sparring (took it on 4 days notice) but I agree he did look a little switched off, even considering the lack of sparring.

Bruno was better but I said they are about the same. Bruno had times where he under performed as did DW, usually against top notch competition but we all remember the Sinan Samil Sam incident and as yall mentioned James Smith for Bruno.

Bruno punched harder and boxed better but DW has a better chin and more heart

Bruno had a very, very underated jab, he outjabbed Lewis in their fight.

Frank's survival instincts were poor but he is a much better fighter than Williams, he would break him up with the jab & take him out with style. Frank beat average fighters & looked good doing it, he'd easily beat Williams

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Originally Posted by Googoogachoob

Bruno had a very, very underated jab, he outjabbed Lewis in their fight.

Frank's survival instincts were poor but he is a much better fighter than Williams, he would break him up with the jab & take him out with style. Frank beat average fighters & looked good doing it, he'd easily beat Williams

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Im sorry but these two are not in the same league, Williams is not even european class never mind world class Franl hung wiht some decent compitiion and was quite competitive, Danny Willimas fluked his way to a world title shot by beating Mike Tyson, who might aswell of been Mike Jackson in there, and was on one of the worst one sided beatings i have seen. Danny Willimas is garbage and i reckon half of the european class fighters would beat him.

He might have good potential and he never uses it blah blah blah but the point is he is 32 and is never going to, i dont hate Danny but he will get whopped by all the major title quite easily in my opinion.

Also lets be honest Danny has fought two World Class operarters in Samil Sam and Vitali and was made to look like a chump, and Samil Sam is not even the elite.

I think bruno was vastly underrated. he had a ramrod left jab. his right hand was massive. and contrary to popular belief he wasnt chinny. the trouble was when he was tagged he would freeze. it was alwats an accumulation of punches that stopped him. I think williams would have been stopped early.

A young Bruno wouldn't just beat Wiiliams IMO, he'd be world champion if he was fighting now.

Im with Skel - not even in the same league!

Williams is a waste of talent imo

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A young Bruno wouldn't just beat Wiiliams IMO, he'd be world champion if he was fighting now.

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hed wipe the floor with all the current champions

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A young Bruno wouldn't just beat Wiiliams IMO, he'd be world champion if he was fighting now.

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hed wipe the floor with all the current champions

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He couldn't do it THEN he couldn't have done it if he was in his prime now either.

Brewster
Lyakhovich
Wlad Klitschko
Rahman
Brock
The Ibrigamovs

Plenty of fighters out there who would have beat him...but don't get me wrong he'd be in the top of the division but he wouldn't "wipe the floor" with the title holders (other than Valuev, he'd murder him)

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A young Bruno wouldn't just beat Wiiliams IMO, he'd be world champion if he was fighting now.

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hed wipe the floor with all the current champions

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He couldn't do it THEN he couldn't have done it if he was in his prime now either.

Brewster
Lyakhovich
Wlad Klitschko
Rahman
Brock
The Ibrigamovs

Plenty of fighters out there who would have beat him...but don't get me wrong he'd be in the top of the division but he wouldn't "wipe the floor" with the title holders (other than Valuev, he'd murder him)

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IMO only Vlad off that list would poss beat Bruno, and Bruno had a helluva punch ;)

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A young Bruno wouldn't just beat Wiiliams IMO, he'd be world champion if he was fighting now.

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hed wipe the floor with all the current champions

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He might be able to sneak an alphabet title, but the problem Frank had, was he froze in the middle/late rounds of his huge fights, it cost him against Smith, Lewis and Whitherspoon, and he tried his damnedest to blow the Williams and McCall fights, but in particular the Atomic Bull seemed determined not to win... ;)

The only exceptions that could thrown up were the Coetzee fight, in which he got the job done real early, and Bugner, which was his finest performance IMO.

I just do not see Bruno beating a Rahman or Wlad if the bell goes for seventh round. Maybe Wlads chin could cost Klitschko and early rounds defeat, :-\ but I think Rahman is too solid to lose to the Bomber.

You never know which Danny Williams will show up, and we all know about Frank's mental problems.

The ring would be too crowded, what with all those multiple personalities crowded in there.

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Bruno would take danny the 12 rounds to win a decision. danny has got a good heart and can take some punishment. the shots i've seen him take would KO a most other heavies. against sinan samilsam (however you spell it), tyson and kiltchiko. but bruno had more boxing skill. but to be honest both of em havent got the right mentality and have issues up stairs.

This is how I see it in their primes

Danny Williams Frank Bruno

Natural talent
Speed
Power
Stamina
Aggression
Powers of recovery
Chin
Combination punching
Footwork
Reflexes
Left jab
Physical strength

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Originally Posted by LuciferTheGreat

I already mentioned this in another thread, but I really don't give much credence to Tyson's knee giving out against Williams. I saw a fighter continue to fight for two rounds with a broken ankle once who refused to let the doctor stop the fight til he was a sitting duck. Williams beat a Tyson that probably everyone here felt would make Williams a one round victim. Tyson just didn't have it any more.

That said, I voted for Williams based on his win over Tyson plus the fact he held up til the late rounds against Vitali. Just explaining my reasoning it doesn't mean I am right,

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You should watch it again. Tyson completely froze up. I believe he went into shock. Williams certainly didn't beat him. Tyson's body shut down and he just stood there and took 20 plus shots without moving or grabbing or anything. I give Williams credit for taking the beating the first couple rounds, but he didn't do anything to beat Tyson. Tyson's body failed.

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A young Bruno wouldn't just beat Wiiliams IMO, he'd be world champion if he was fighting now.

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hed wipe the floor with all the current champions

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He couldn't do it THEN he couldn't have done it if he was in his prime now either.

Brewster
Lyakhovich
Wlad Klitschko
Rahman
Brock
The Ibrigamovs

Plenty of fighters out there who would have beat him...but don't get me wrong he'd be in the top of the division but he wouldn't "wipe the floor" with the title holders (other than Valuev, he'd murder him)

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nah respect your opinion but i think bruno was superior. I think klitschko would be despatched early. brunos power would be too much for wlads fragile whiskers

Frank Bruno might not be one of the boxing greats but he was far better than Danny Williams. I base that on the fact Bruno was quicker, fitter, harder puncher, better combination puncher and better at taking a dig. Anyone that Williams has fought with any class has hammered him, fair enough there was a few around when Bruno was at his pomp that were better than him I can honestly say that there is not a heavyweight just know in world boxing as good as Bruno was. Also exept for fraudly sorry Audrey Harrison I have never seen a less busier fighter than Danny Williams.

Both those guys weren't that good. lol Bruno was the more accomplished of the two by winning a world title. I also think Bruno had a better jab and would of easily out boxed Danny. Assuming Bruno doesn't get scared out of his mind, like he was against Mike Tyson. I thought his corner should of gave him the paper bag treatment in between rounds. Both of these guys are better then a punk like Andrew Golota or his stable mate Peter McNeeley ;D But they sure aren't worth me typing anything more about this subject. IMO

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Both those guys weren't that good. lol Bruno was the more accomplished of the two by winning a world title. I also think Bruno had a better jab and would of easily out boxed Danny. Assuming Bruno doesn't get scared out of his mind, like he was against Mike Tyson. I thought his corner should of gave him the paper bag treatment in between rounds. Both of these guys are better then a punk like Andrew Golota or his stable mate Peter McNeeley ;D But they sure aren't worth me typing anything more about this subject. IMO

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weren't most opponents scared of tyson before they got in the ring with him in his prime?.....and yet bruno did it twice....when tyson was near his prime and not near his prime (but when tyson was better than when williams beat him)...

bruno: williams is no contest IMO....williams is not a top level fighter and bruno would outbox him....probably stopping him after 8 rounds....

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weren't most opponents scared of tyson before they got in the ring with him in his prime?....

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Yeah definitely. But Bruno inparticular was terrified! He said right after the fight "Tyson was on me like a Harbor shark" He looked about as scared of Tyson as Golota looked agains Lennox Lewis. terrified :'(

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weren't most opponents scared of tyson before they got in the ring with him in his prime?....

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Yeah definitely. But Bruno inparticular was terrified! He said right after the fight "Tyson was on me like a Harbor shark" He looked about as scared of Tyson as Golota looked agains Lennox Lewis. terrified :'(

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well, regardless, he performed less frightened than so many others.....

spinks turned up at least.....did he throw a punch?

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well, regardless, he performed less frightened than so many others.....

spinks turned up at least.....did he throw a punch?

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Spinks was terrified as well. However Spinks atleast attempted to fight. He did try to throw a few punches before gettin KO'd. On the other hand, a terrified Bruno just held Tyson and tried to put him in a full nelson or something. If Bruno wouldn't of showed off his wrestling moves, he would of got KO'd just as fast as Spinks. IMO

Franky Boi allll day long!

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well, regardless, he performed less frightened than so many others.....

spinks turned up at least.....did he throw a punch?

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Spinks was terrified as well. However Spinks atleast attempted to fight. He did try to throw a few punches before gettin KO'd. On the other hand, a terrified Bruno just held Tyson and tried to put him in a full nelson or something. If Bruno wouldn't of showed off his wrestling moves, he would of got KO'd just as fast as Spinks. IMO

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disagree completely. bruno in his 1st fight with tyson performed better than spinks...

he rocked tyson....spinks never did anything....