greatest heavweight: Muhammad Ali or Joe Louis

who do think was the all time greatest?

could a prime louis beat ALi?


ali had much better oppositon than louis, ehe beat 2 indestrutible fighters
liston and foreman--he even made them look bad.

after watching joe louis fights--joe's got a great chance to beat ali, he would have to eventually catch him then land a deadly combo to finish ali.

however the whole time ali would jab louis face and rearrange it. land some combos on joe and mayb even ko joe.

this fight could go either way--i think louis does have the potential 2 beat ali and even ko him---however i can see ali winning by UD.

but who was the greatest--i dont know

Ali by KO or UD. Bigger, faster, better movement and ring generalship. I don't really see a single category where Louis is better.

I dunno its a tricky one.

It would be easy to assume that Ali could just dance and jab his way to victory for 12 rounds. But on the other hand, joe was very effective at moving in on an opponent and i think he could pin him as ali started to tire in mid-late rounds. However, Ali had great recuperative powers, as displayed against Joe Frazier in their first fight and in a fight between the two, i think Ali would get up off the canvas in the late rounds and box his way to a UD over Joe.

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Originally Posted by Violent Bob

Ali by KO or UD. Bigger, faster, better movement and ring generalship. I don't really see a single category where Louis is better.

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I agree. There is nothing that Louis is better in, No category unless you want to mention heart which they both had alot of

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Originally Posted by Violent Bob

Ali by KO or UD. Bigger, faster, better movement and ring generalship. I don't really see a single category where Louis is better.

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I agree. There is nothing that Louis is better in, No category unless you want to mention heart which they both had alot of

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Louis was a better short puncher - he had much greater kayo power than Ali ever had, and he delivered his combinations just as fast but with more power as he was closer to his opponent.

Louis was also more intimidating than Ali, people were genuinely scared of him (but not Ali so much)

Ali would win. Joe never fixed his flaw to be open for a right hand. and I doubt he would let Joe get that close.

Louis did not like movers and clever boxers

Louis was the best boxer, never over extended himself, only punched when in range, could KO you at anytime, more power, power in both hands, no he didn't like movers, he was a stalker but he got his punches off faster than say a Marvin Hagler or another stalker type fighter.

Ali was bigger and faster but I think Louis was the better all-time fighter.

vs each other I'm sure Ali would win but hell everyone picks Ali vs anyone, Lennox Lewis, Vitali Klitschko...guys who would dwarf Ali and punched harder and straighter than anyone he had in the division at his time.

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Originally Posted by Violent Bob

Ali by KO or UD. Bigger, faster, better movement and ring generalship. I don't really see a single category where Louis is better.

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how could you ask a question about who the greatest hw without mentioning MARCIANO!!...now I wouldn't say anything if the question was "who is a better fighter? Ali or Louis" but the greatest?.....

Sorry Lyle I thought that was what we were discussing

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Originally Posted by Violent Bob

Ali by KO or UD. Bigger, faster, better movement and ring generalship. I don't really see a single category where Louis is better.

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how could you ask a question about who the greatest hw without mentioning MARCIANO!!...now I wouldn't say anything if the question was "who is a better fighter? Ali or Louis" but the greatest?.....

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Because Marciano would be beaten handily by Ali and a Prime Joe Louis not to mention Larry Holmes ;D

And if anyone thinks Joe could beat Ali watch the Arturo Godoy fight again or Joe Walcott, Joe was still a sucker for a right hand which Ali had a very dangerous one.

Rocky would have been smaller than all those guys but he wouldn't have backed down from fights vs any of them.

Joe was 78 years old when he fought Walcott!!! People say he was old when he fought Rocky, well he was old when he fought Jersey Joe too!

The style still gave him trouble Lyle. It's about style. And it doesn't answer for how he struggled against Arturo Godoy ;) Like I said the styles always gave him trouble. And A Prime Louis would beat Marciano.

Ali struggled vs Frazier...Marciano was a brawler, riddle me that sweetheart!

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Ali struggled vs Frazier...Marciano was a brawler, riddle me that sweetheart!

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Frazier was quite a bit bigger than Marciano, so I'm not sure the analogy gets you there.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Ali struggled vs Frazier...Marciano was a brawler, riddle me that sweetheart!

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Frazier was quite a bit bigger than Marciano, so I'm not sure the analogy gets you there.

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Rocky had more than just a left hook and I think his stamina was a lot better than Frazier's

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Ali struggled vs Frazier...Marciano was a brawler, riddle me that sweetheart!


Frazier was quite a bit bigger than Marciano, so I'm not sure the analogy gets you there.

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Think he's talkin about how Marciano and Frazier have quite similar styles, always pressing forwrd head down. The size thing doesn't realy matter cos Marciano could realy brawl and he had a punch just as good as, if not better than Fraziers!

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Originally Posted by Violent Bob

Ali by KO or UD. Bigger, faster, better movement and ring generalship. I don't really see a single category where Louis is better.

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how could you ask a question about who the greatest hw without mentioning MARCIANO!!...now I wouldn't say anything if the question was "who is a better fighter? Ali or Louis" but the greatest?.....

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Because Marciano would be beaten handily by Ali and a Prime Joe Louis not to mention Larry Holmes ;D

And if anyone thinks Joe could beat Ali watch the Arturo Godoy fight again or Joe Walcott, Joe was still a sucker for a right hand which Ali had a very dangerous one.

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starr is very anti-marciano-however that ali and holmes could beat ROCKY, however marciano vs the great louis is a differernt story( like marciano, louis did not have the best oppostion) marciano has a very good chance in beating louis--he could crowdlouis land his suzie-q a couple of times and ko louis--if louis does not ko rock b4hand with a deadly combo.

but marciano beat an old man 4 the title-----so did louis

joe louis is 1 of my all time favs--but saying that he would have easily beatin rocky is a stretch--it could go either way--

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Louis was the best boxer, never over extended himself, only punched when in range, could KO you at anytime, more power, power in both hands, no he didn't like movers, he was a stalker but he got his punches off faster than say a Marvin Hagler or another stalker type fighter.

Ali was bigger and faster but I think Louis was the better all-time fighter.

vs each other I'm sure Ali would win but hell everyone picks Ali vs anyone, Lennox Lewis, Vitali Klitschko...guys who would dwarf Ali and punched harder and straighter than anyone he had in the division at his time.

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If Billy Conn could outbox and almost beat Louis imagine what Ali cound do who was much better in every way???????

Marciano with modern training techniqes that holmes had the bennifit of would be the best of all time IMO.

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If Billy Conn could outbox and almost beat Louis imagine what Ali cound do who was much better in every way???????

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Frazier out worked Ali, what does that tell you?

Conn might have outboxed Joe but he made a mistake and Joe KO'd him....Ali "the best boxer ever" lost a decision and should have honestly lost more.

If Norton could hurt Ali with the right hand and Frazier could drop him, perhaps Louis could KO Ali. Ali was one of the greats but his personality has outgrown his undisputedly great acheivements. Not all the boxers that troubled Ali were all time greats and none of them were in Louis's league.

When Louis hurt someone they never got away. I don't think anyone who'se not got Italian blood rates Marciano up there with Ali or Louis.

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Originally Posted by shooter

If Norton could hurt Ali with the right hand and Frazier could drop him, perhaps Louis could KO Ali. Ali was one of the greats but his personality has outgrown his undisputedly great acheivements. Not all the boxers that troubled Ali were all time greats and none of them were in Louis's league.

When Louis hurt someone they never got away. I don't think anyone who'se not got Italian blood rates Marciano up there with Ali or Louis.

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I do and im a Brit mate

be realistic please Joe would lose to many modern day light heavies and cruizers its just too long ago let alone ali please use some common sense Joe louis is great but a head to head matchup he gets crushed by many journey man who fight today its just too long ago and its not fair to louis he doesnt belong fighting those guys come on

prime ali prime louis preposterous, ever see ali watching the tape of louis with custamato ali saying poeplle think that guy could beat me, look at the guy hes fighting, look at him hes so slow , Im bigger faster stronger. its true guys, while norton not a great fighter would ko louis and so would frazier are u kidding me louis was 190 pounds!

pacdog, Ali said that about EVERYONE (except Ray Robinson).

Louis is THE Greatest, Ali might have been bigger but I don't give a fuck, I rate Louis higher.

If Ali was so great why wasn't he able to have 25 successful defenses? Why didn't he go undefeated?

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If Ali was so great why wasn't he able to have 25 successful defenses? Why didn't he go undefeated?

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Ray Robinson and Willie Pep didn't go undefeated. I guess they're not that great either huh ::**

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Originally Posted by Lyle

If Ali was so great why wasn't he able to have 25 successful defenses? Why didn't he go undefeated?

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Ray Robinson and Willie Pep didn't go undefeated. I guess they're not that great either huh ::**

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No but they are the best in their respective divisions all time