who would win and how?
and can this matchup ever happen?
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who would win and how?
and can this matchup ever happen?
impossible matchup cause of the size difference, even if they were the same Fedor would kill him
the guy is just too talented
Yeah, Matt would visit a hiospital.
But I do think Matt would hold up pretty well in a heavier weight class. He's freakishly strong. I don't know if he's ready for Franklin but I think he'd destroy most 185ers.
Matt isn't rangy enough to strike with someone like Franklin....he'd have his moments but he'd eat to many punches trying to get to Rich....And in the world where Fedor and Matt are the same weight ..matt just doesn't hit hard enough to tangle with fedor....
Fedor would destroy him. Fedor is the best fighter in the world. Period.
Fedor is a complete animal and as the poster above has said. The best fighter in the world BAR NONE.
Fedor and Matt are the present and Future of MMA but there is a hell of a weight difference and Fedor is way to explosive and dominating period....Quote:
Originally Posted by Munky
You could drop Sylvia and Arlovski in a cage with Fedor and I bet you Fedor is the only one who walks out of there
Hughes is a beast....haven't seen Emelianko though so I can't give an informed opinion....damn Hughes....he killed my Gracie....:(Quote:
Originally Posted by 1magine
Just cause I love your Spaghetti sauce here is a highlight of the phenomQuote:
Originally Posted by bigragu
A whole 9min and 52sec of ass kicking viewing pleasure ENJOY!!!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...996320&q=fedor
ok...it's oficial....Emelianko is a superbeast!!!!! The man is intense!!! if he misses he just slams you...His recovery time is phenominal!!!!! he knows he misses instantly and its like he stops and slams dude to the mat...that is crazy!!! :coolclick: thanks...Quote:
Originally Posted by jtrock
i reckon a lot of US MMA fans are not very familiar with Pride FC and its fighters such as Emelianenko and so on. Check out this highlight of Pride FC..in my opinion its the premier organisation in MMA at the moment.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...furious+angels
What out even watching I know that Pride is 2nd to none Cool Click for the footageQuote:
Originally Posted by Emelianenko
Fedor is way to sloppy, he'd get dominated by boring hughes
And things like that are why noone takes Sheps seriously :)
Your a bit of a nob aint you?Quote:
Originally Posted by raleights
Grow up little boy.
;D
As tough as Fedor is, I still think Tyson or Holyfield would win the stand-up exchange.
the whole boxers equal great strikers thing just doesn't compute....Yes I understand that to train in boxing helps ones striking, but to me the styles used by a professional boxer in a boxing match is completely different than the striking styles used by many of the top MMA strikers not to mention being punched with 12-16 ounce gloves is totally different than being hit with 4 ounces or bare fist.
that's true, but stand-up exchanges between mma guys are always so much sloppier than between boxers. A boxer would be far tougher to hit with and would connect far more...with 4oz gloves. MMA guys just flail away aimlessly. Boxers strike with far greater precision and control. Remember, I'm only talking stand-up...
I agree to the casual fan people think that you can teach a Boxer a Few subs and takedowns and they will be unstoppable...People who are avid fans or people like me who train in it or do it understand its a whole other dynamic.Quote:
Originally Posted by VanChilds
Remember Boxing Equals Punching with the fist only.
MMA striking by defenition is Punching ,kicking, knees, elbows, headbutts(when allowed)etc..
All true, but I'm talking purely stand-up, slug it out.
You said it, it's a standup fight with boxers and they have to defend against your hands. It's not that easy to punch at someone gracefully like Roy Jones when you're constantly having to defend the takedowns, knees, legs, not to mention having to look for all those things yourself. Boxers don't fight the same in the street, they're fuckin fools if they do. Noone will subscribe to the rules of boxing in that situation, granted theres great things about boxing that you can use it just has to be modified. Trust me if it was possible to move and punch like Ali or Roy Jones in mma, someone would of done it by now but obviously it's not possible. Look what happend to Vince Phillips, he went to K1 and got kicked in the face - knocked completely out from what I heard. Even though he was older we're still talking about the guy who TKO'd Kostya Tszyu....Quote:
Originally Posted by Von Milash
I see what you're saying though standup only
Even in that instance I don't see it being that easy to move like a boxer when the other guy is wearing little to nothing for a glove. The 10 ounce or whatever gloves boxers wear make it a totally different world
Did anyone ever see Mitch Greene's eye after Tyson popped him? I'll bet nobody, not even Crocop or Fedor or whoever, could have ducked it. Pretty good striking skills, IMO.
Fedor's flailing hands wouldn't touch Tyson. What can I say? I'm convinced of it. He'd HAVE TO take him down, otherwise he'd eat a 4oz bomb in a hurry.
call me crazy I'd take Chuck, mirko, Wanderlie, Vitor, franklin and fedor in a stand up slugfest against tyson all day long...these are some of the best strikers in the world today and their striking is by no means sloppy...
ok, I will. Crazy. Especially for saying Chuck, Wanderlei and Franklin. Tyson would frikking KILL them. Like boys fighting a man. The only guy with a hope would be Fedor. Tyson was the hardest strikier in the world.
those guys would pepper him from the outside tie him up on the inside then bomb him out with knees and elbows...Tyson is the most overrated fighter ever
Over-rated? Now I've heard averything. lol
Again, croCop and fedor I'd give a chance to simply because they are tough and talented, but the others, Tyson would break his fist on them before they got a shot in.
Fedor = Complete fighter
Tyson = Boxer
Theirs a huge difference between the two.
man it seems like this is discussed weekly. I have very mixed feelings about Tyson's placement in history. Tyson's wins are against mostly average fighters. Not that this is his fault and not that many fighters(marciano, Louis,holmes etc) don't have the same dilemma in regards to their legacy. I think quite often it wasn't who he beat but the electrifying way he did it. I often ask myself if Tyson was a defensive master who out pointed and embarrassed fighters would we feel the same way? If he was the pernell whitaker of the HW era would he have such a fan base? Tyson embodied what we as fans want in our champion. I think people quite often get wrapped up in the sheer entertainment value of Tyson. His wins over Berbick, Smith, Tucker, Ruddock, tubbs, thomas, biggs etc are impressive in that he cleaned out a division and in the manner he did them but the actual opposition is really just slightly better than average. Tyson has two great wins: the destruction of Spinks and Holmes. Although Holmes went on to several more decent wins I don't think anyone will argue that he was the same man who himself had cleaned out a division. And I don't think we will ever know why spinks gave such a sorry performance. The biggest problem with grading Tyson's career is that his "prime" was so short. He didn't face any truly good HW's in their prime until late in his career. Obviously Tyson's management decisions and personal demons had a lot to do with his decline as a fighter, but this is a part of who Tyson was as a fighter. He simply didn't have the dedication and focus of other great HW's. I look at him alot like Bowe. They both had all the skills to be ATG's but couldn't capitalize. I don't judge Tyson's career after the Lewis fighter b/c it was obvious he didn't care. That being said whether or not he came in poorly prepared he was beaten soundly by douglas, holy, and Lewis. Great fighters rise to the occasion and Tyson didn't. When he met fighters who weren't intimidated, were bigger, had a decent jab and could back him up and tie him up he was definately frustrated. Tyson is one of the greatest power punchers ever, and arguably the most exciting fighter ever. He will stand as an icon in boxing of what might of been, but in my personal oppinion not an all time great fighter and hugely overrated. All that being said Chuck turns his lights out...the guy doesn't have the mental makeup to handle a real fighter who isn't afraid of him. KO early in the second if he doesn't quit between roundsQuote:
Originally Posted by Von Milash
I just don't know how you can put a skinny, awkward (albeit hard hitting) striker against a guy with 20pounds and a massive skill and strength differential. I think we should put this to a vote. Tyson hits FAR harder and FAR more accurately. Chuck couldn't even take Rampage. Now, I like chuck, but there's a guy who's over-rated. Who in the UFC light HW division can battle with him? Nobody, yet he wouldn't dare go back to Pride where he's get killed.
The bottom line... Tyson is the hardest hitter to ever live.
look do you think Tyson hits any harder than Tank Abbot? I doubt it...better technique sure, faster hands agreed...but harder no. And Tank got his a$$ beat by alot of people. Namely Vitor who I mentioned earlier
your fucking crazy, you have no idea what your talking about. he would KILL them. thay would have no chance if he was in his prime. you are a fucking idiotQuote:
Originally Posted by VanChilds
I beat all of my money that tyson hit twice as hard. tyson wore boxing gloves Imagine tyson with mma gloves. Tank was sloppy as hell and slow, you get tysons power and speed and thats more harder that a sloppy power punch. Im gonna have to say it once more you are an idiot, no your more like retardedQuote:
Originally Posted by VanChilds
I'm sorry, do you feel it improves your argument to run your mouth and talk sh!t...disagree with me all you want but how about you stop being such a harda$$ over a computer screen. Tyson is a hugely overrated boxer and wouldn't stand a chance against any of the top MMA fighters in the world. Not the tyson of 1988 or any day.
I gotta say I do think cringers and Idiot and should show some respect but all of you have to stop comparing boxers to MMA guys there are very very small similarities...Its like saying since a Football linebacker is Big and Muscular he should be able to step onto a Baseball field and hit homeruns all the time.....IT IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT DYNAMIC AND SKILL SET!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by VanChilds
I couldn't agree more
I agree but its funny, tank hitting harder than tyson?
And tank got his ass beat by vitor and vitor as some boxing back ground
Liddel is not a top MMA fighter. He is a big fish in a small pond and would never survive in Pride. Tyson would crush his skull inside or outside the ring, octagon, or wherever you want them to square off. A guy who flails vs a technically proficient and devastatingly hard striker...no contest.Quote:
Originally Posted by VanChilds
Look von you can keep touting tyson if you want. I think the guy was just a good hw fighter and nothing more. Great power puncher but definatly with flaws. Alot of those flaws are of the emotional and mental type, but flaws none the less. The guy failed against every great HW he ever faced miserbaly. He has a win over a blown up LHW with bad knees in Spinks and a 38 yr old Holmes outside of those wins none of his wins are against anything other than average to decent fighters. Against a top lhw and hw MMA striker the guy would have a punchers chance but thats about it. I think you are doing Chuck a disservice by saying he isn't one of the best LHW's in the world. He has wins against Tito, Couture, Babalu, Horn etc. Would he be as dominant in Pride? Maybe maybe not. Rampage put a pretty good ass whipping on him, but that doesn't take away from the rest of the guys career. Obviously his style isn't an orthodox boxing style but I don't think you deny its effectiveness.