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"Prince" Naseem Hamed was a verg good boxer but was never as good us people thought and still think. He was very quick and skilled but when he came up with one top class opponent in MAB he got battered stupid, no one can tell me all the great fighters he beat, because he never beat any. When he got found out he retired because he believed in all his hype and could not handle the fact that he was in fact far from the greatest which he and many people wrongly believe to be the case.
I disagree. Naz was great. He fought more than one upper level operator...he just failed miserably to one of the better fighters of the last 10 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by MOOG
Barrera is & was no joke. That's been proven time & time again.
The problem I have with Naz is the way that he went out. After the loss...he seemed to be just devastated psychologically or some shat. He coulda, shoulda, & woulda done better if he hadn't let it go to his head.
Naz was great...better than just good.
I don't think that he was overratted...when you sit back & think about it...we are all way to harsh on champions. He did what he did & got to the spot he was in by way of a lot of punches & hard work.
Definitely not OVERrated. He'd be overrated if people were saying he's one of the best ever at featherweight, but I don't see many people say that. I think most people on this forum seee him for what he genuinely was, an exceptional talent that could have done more with the right attitude, after all he went in to a fight with Barrera (an all time great) as a favourite, and though he lost, it wasn't a complete shut out.
You could also posibbly argue that Hamed wasn't at his best that night, and would have fared better a couple of years earlier, however if this were true he'd only have himself to blame for lack of preperation and the lack of will (which is another attribute that the greats have besides talent alone).
I don't think Naz was a good boxerhe had good reflexes and power which kept him going for so long and I was surprised at how long he lasted....I see Froch being the same. ::**
I believe he was one of the most exciting fighters of his time when he fought but didnt have the class of the top 3 in his division. great to watch though
Froch has nowhere near the same abilities as naz had, he just thinks he has. When naz was fighting at domestic and european level no one could lay a single glove on him, this certainly can't be said for Froch.
It's a shame for Froch really because he does have some quality, but he needs to change his strategy drastically if he wants to go any further than he has.
From 97 onwards Hamed's opponents had a collective record of 386-29 (14 of those 29 losses were 2 guys)
He beat
Tom Johnson
Wilfredo Vasquez
Wayne McCullough
Vuyani Bungu
Kevin Kelly
Manuel Medina
Paul Ingle
.... all top quality
His problems came when he abandoned the jab and all other natural skills that HE DID possess in favour of trying to take people out with 1 shot.
With the right team I think he could've been an All Time Great and lets face who doesn't lose to MAB!!
Against Robinson, Vasquez & Bungu (even tho that was after the slide began) he was awesome.
Petty he didn't have the sack to come back after only 1 defeat!!
Carl Froch is not even close to being in the same league as naseem was. Froch doesn't even have good reflexes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Missy
sorry mr moog i have to also disagree
Very nice. I agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
:coolclick: in another tweny fo!
Yes that's it. he was one of the most exciting fighters during his fighting days. He added color and fireworks to hype his fights.Quote:
Originally Posted by LarryB
He never beat anyone great, but his competition is very high nontheless
My personel opinion is WAY overated if you like technical fighters, who know all the tricks, and do it by the book. But I will also give him credit for his tremendous power, and his awkward ability to avoid being hit. Acelino Freitas comes to mind as another powerfull and athletic NON- technical fighter. They are fine until they run up on the REAL DEAL. AKA Marco Antonio Barrera, or Diego Corrales
True, but how many fighters ever beat a 'Great' - Greats are great coz they don't loseQuote:
Originally Posted by The_One77
he was very over rated, he made his name fighting over 35 year old once aponer time decent boxer or b class guys who were hyped up tp add credit to his name
his antics when winning a fight were a disgrace, who can forget his disgusting showboating when robinson was down for the count
he never had the balls to fight the real top names and when he did, he lost and never fought again
PUNK
I don't agree with that - yeh some of his opponents were not at their peak, but Robinson was WBO champion, Vasquez was WBA champion, Johnson was IBF champion, Medina, Kelly and Mccullough were former world champions - I don't see anybody he could've fought and didn't except Eric Morales and that fight never happenbded coz he lost to MAB
i dont believe he was a fake , i think was revolutionary knowone had ever seen a fighter like him at the time, his main flaw was that he was to cocky and abandoned his defence which ultimately led to his defeat against another great boxer. i think nas started believing that he couldnt be beaten, believing his own hype which was a shame ,i still think he was great at that time but he could of been a legend
:goodpost: :coolclick:Quote:
Originally Posted by cymru_am_byth
Hamed never knew how to fight. And defense for him was trying to limbo. Leaning back with his hands down. His chin wasn't great, but it wasn't that bad either. He had no idea how to act whenever he got hit and his balance at times was poor. But that power. That power was for real. Like he once said, it was a gift from God (or Allah whatever). He had it in both hands and he knew it. Power and arrogance got him as high as he got.
I agree TOTALLY with this post!
Hamed is only seen as overrated by those who did not like him when he was boxing. When he was finally beaten everybody said look he wasn't that special anyway. 16 title defences would say otherwise, and the fact that at various times he held 3 of the 4 major belts. If it had been anybody else without the abrasive personality of Hamed he would not still be attracting this kind of abuse years on.
Naz had 15 straight TITLE DEFENCES....how could he be anything but a great fighter?!?!?! That is one of the highest title defences EVER!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Missy
Naz was a very good boxer, just wasnt quite in the A* calibre of the likes of Barrera, Morales, Pac and JMM.
Had he applied himself as much to boxing as he did to his flying carpet ring entrances, he probably would have made a better place for himself in boxing history.
cc for being so smartQuote:
Originally Posted by Autocrat9
Hamed was a great show. I wish he were still boxing.
His skills were limited. He could do some unorthodox things - very agile, could bend backwards as one person mentioned, lean and come from odd angles with unexpected punches with great power.
But he was the exception that proved why the exception is an exception. All his odd angles and agility to contort and hit from 'there' when he was standing 'here' - that has a cost. Bring a highly skilled orthodox fighter who can adjust to virtually anything and still attack, and this contortionism becomes a liability - because though he was agile and balanced enough to control his own body while doing his gymnastics, he could not prevent that from turning into what it really was - lack of proper balance - when he got hit.
His speed and strength made all that work for him time and again and he looked near invincible but against a speedy well-equipped boxer like MAB, Haseem's strong points become weaknesses.
Part of his problem in dealing with defeat was a religious matter. He had dedicated the fight to Moslems everywhere, and believed that Allah would honor him so that he could honor Allah.
It didn't turn out that way. So in a way even his religious devotion, another strength if you will, became a weakness, when Marcos made it so.
Too bad he didn't have a Manny to round him out way back when. He mighta been - sorry, just got to say it ... he mighta been a contender!
And having an Auburn avatar! Gotta love the SEC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Naz was a different fighter, whether or not he was overrated is due to his opponents and how he faired vs them. You see a guy like Sam Soliman fight with that crackhead style but he hardly ever gets caught off balance and that being said guys like Kevin Kelly knocking him down multiple times really shows Hamed wasn't as good as he is billed.
He was flashy and arrogant and a pain in the ass. I think he's terribly overrated because he fought 1 dangerous fighter and he got his cocky ass whipped! (I love watching MAB slam his head into the turnbuckle)
Hamed was Great.
But he has the potential to be GREATER. And not many if any fighters can say they had that type of potential. Thats what the frustrating thing about Hamed is.
And Manuel Medina who Naseem knocked out years ago is getting a title shot tonight and going ffor his 89th win on WNF.
bIG H you list all these fighters that Naseem beat but if you think about it he get's great credit for beating the likes of Tom 'Boom Boom' Johnson and wayne McCullough then on the other hand someone like scott Harrison beats them both and we get told there not that good, so yes I would say he was overratd because he get's more credit for beating these opponents than other boxers like Scott harrison have because they are not as camera freindly.
Moog are you Scott Harrison in disguise??Quote:
Originally Posted by MOOG
Dont even try and compare Harrison to Naz, Naz only defeat was against a guy who is in the top 5 p4p list now 5 years after he beat Naz, Harrison has bean beaton by old man Medina and Polo!!!!!!!!
Naz would of handed Harrison his arse if they ever met.
The only thing your right about is Harrison not being camera friendly. The rest was stupidity. And that got you your second sc.Quote:
Originally Posted by MOOG
Naz only fought 1 good fighter everyone else was just fluff.
When Hamed fought Johnson, Johnson was 42-2 and world champion, when he fought Harrison 3 years later he was 5 and 5 for his last 10 fights 8 of whcih were against nobodiesQuote:
Originally Posted by MOOG
When Hamed fought McCullough he had lost 1 split decison in 23 fights, when he fought Harrison he should never have been allowed in the ring due to his health!!
Hamed didn't fight any all time greats, but who has or does, they don't come along that often, as I said before he fought the best there was, can you name anybody other than Morales that he should have fought but didn't??
You should read some other peoples opinions in the thread because you just show how extremely limited your boxing "knowlege" is coming out with the same old shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
That's easy. Juan Manuel MarquezQuote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
Marquez wasn't even in the picture, he had lost his 1 shot at a title and wasn't operating at World Class level during Naz' prime - he was fighting stiffsQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Naz started to believe that he couldnt be beaten and never trained like he did when he was younger or with brenden ingle. But he was a great fight and very good to watch!
Just because someone has a good record doesn't mean they are a good fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Face it people Naz was popular because he was a power puncher with an unorthodox style. He was flashy and flamboyant, much like a Muhamed Ali, Hector Camacho, Roy Jones Jr, etc. But when you compare his competition and skill level with those guys he just doesn't measure up.
I can say I honestly dislike Naz because after 1 loss he gave up. He didn't try for a rematch, he didn't go after anyone else, he didn't move weight classes, he just gave up and that is pathetic...giving up IN YOUR PRIME because you didn't win, ONE FIGHT.
36(31 KO's)-1
Noteable matches
MAB L UD
Kevin Kelly KO 4
Wayne McCullough UD 12
Manuel Medina TKO 11
MAB was definantly in his prime when they fought
Kelly was as he is now, a chinny power puncher
McCullough was green
Medina got KO'd by Derrick Gainer if that tells you anything
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Marquez, Hamed's mandatory for like 2 years?Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
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Originally Posted by Lyle
McCullough was green!?! ahahaaa ;D
You're naming Naz alongside illustrious greats like Ali and Jones then comparing his level of competition, skill and acomplishments ::**
As has been pointed out numerous times already on this thread, and as you have just proved yourself, he fought and beat many a world class fighter, far from being merely fuff, and lost to a "GREAT" one.