Hopefully the last Valuev thread for a while

Alright guys he beat Owen Beck by KO HOOPTY DAMN DOO! :beat: ....How would he fair vs everyone who doesn't SUCK?

Wlad Klitschko

Sergei Lyakhovich

Hasim Rahman

Chris Byrd

Sam Peter

Shannon Briggs

Luan Krasniqi

Joe Mesi

Lamon Brewster

Calvin Brock

Sultan Ibragimov

Timor Ibragimov

If you don't know enough about a fighter to really compare the two then just skip it and feel free to add other fighters I may have left off

Here's how I see the fights going

Wladimir Klitschko flat out destroys Valuev TKO 5

Lyakhovich outboxes the big ape

Rahman...depends on which Rahman shows up the Hasim who beat down Meehan or the Rahman that couldn't hurt James "Two Ton" Toney

Chris Byrd - I will say 7 out of 10 times Byrd will be on his game enough to make the giant Valuev look like a fool

Sam Peter will eat the jab all night but I think once Valuev is hurt, since he's so big it's hard for him to really control what happens next so Sam can throw haymakers all night...what's he gonna do miss the 7 foot oaf that's standing right infront of him???

Briggs can outbox Valuev and maybe KO him

Krasniqi...he might be able to beat him, he's a good boxer

Joe Mesi can make Nico eat that left hook all day long

Brewster punishes Valuev

Brock could outbox him...I see this as the most even fight

Sultan is small but he works the body so you have to give him a chance

Timor I don't know enough about

I think young up and coming "Fast" Eddie Chambers is going to be a handful for a lot of boxers out there

joe mesi? no way.

After watching Valuev dismantle Beck with consumate ease I'm confident he will be too strong for Wladimir.

Wlad has one tactic, stay on the outside and use his jab. If his opponent comes inside he clinches and hugs, trying to squeeze the life out of his opponent.

Well he would be able to do neither against Valuev, who I believe would simply turn the tables on Wladimir and beat him at his own game. We all know Klit's jaw is about as fragile as an Israeli Palestinian peace agreement whilst Valuev's neanderthal bone structure looks incredibly solid, his brain being encased in about an extra inch's worth of forehead ridge whilst his jaw shows hardly no evolutionary change from when it served to enable early man to chew their way through bark and to tear off strips of
Wooly Mammoth flesh whilst the hapless elephant was still alive.

Valuev to give Wladimr a bruising 5 round beat down 8)

i think he would beat mesi, i dont know about the others tho, i think he would get KTFO by most of them, maybee he could avoid brewster but the rest would eventually start landing, big vladdy is the only one who would make him look horrible

Wlad, points decision. Everyone else knocked out or losing on a decision. Valuev would never be champion if there were decent heavyweights in his way, but right now there isn't anyone.

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Originally Posted by bilbo

After watching Valuev dismantle Beck with consumate ease I'm confident he will be too strong for Wladimir.

Wlad has one tactic, stay on the outside and use his jab. If his opponent comes inside he clinches and hugs, trying to squeeze the life out of his opponent.

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You're an idiot

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Originally Posted by squealpiggy

Wlad, points decision. Everyone else knocked out or losing on a decision. Valuev would never be champion if there were decent heavyweights in his way, but right now there isn't anyone.

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So are you!

Who's the hardest puncher Valuev has fought? Ruiz? Wlad has more power than ANYONE Valuev has fought and does big Nicky have trouble with boxers? YES! He had hella trouble with Larry Donald.

You guys say Wlad can't fight big guys? When Jameel McCline was at his peak Wlad outboxed him and KO'd him.

Wlad has fought the better opponents, he's younger, faster, has more power and is an all around better boxer.

Valuev's record is SHIT

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Originally Posted by bilbo

After watching Valuev dismantle Beck with consumate ease I'm confident he will be too strong for Wladimir.

Wlad has one tactic, stay on the outside and use his jab. If his opponent comes inside he clinches and hugs, trying to squeeze the life out of his opponent.

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You're an idiot

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Originally Posted by squealpiggy

Wlad, points decision. Everyone else knocked out or losing on a decision. Valuev would never be champion if there were decent heavyweights in his way, but right now there isn't anyone.

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So are you!

Who's the hardest puncher Valuev has fought? Ruiz? Wlad has more power than ANYONE Valuev has fought and does big Nicky have trouble with boxers? YES! He had hella trouble with Larry Donald.

You guys say Wlad can't fight big guys? When Jameel McCline was at his peak Wlad outboxed him and KO'd him.

Wlad has fought the better opponents, he's younger, faster, has more power and is an all around better boxer.

Valuev's record is S***

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Ok so Lyle what exactly is it that you find so goddam sexy about Wladimir Klitoris? Is it his soft milky smooth skin or his tight firm muscles that gets you so worked up?

We all know that your presence on any thread can only mean one of two things, a) You are slagging off that racist, trash talking draft dodger Ali, or b) You are getting all giddy and excited whilst telling us just how great and altogether shag-a-licious big Wladdy is.

You are more annoying than a bunch of Mikkel Kessler nuthugggers and about as predictable as Howard Eastman in a world title challange.

We all know what you are :gay-as-steelie: and want to get a double facial from the Klitschko brothers :skiing:

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Alright guys he beat Owen Beck by KO HOOPTY DAMN DOO! :beat: ....How would he fair vs everyone who doesn't SUCK?

Wlad Klitschko

Sergei Lyakhovich

Hasim Rahman

Chris Byrd

Sam Peter

Shannon Briggs

Luan Krasniqi

Joe Mesi

Lamon Brewster

Calvin Brock

Sultan Ibragimov

Timor Ibragimov

If you don't know enough about a fighter to really compare the two then just skip it and feel free to add other fighters I may have left off

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You ask how would he do against guys who don't suck and then you list like 10 out of 12 guys who suck ;D ;D ;D ;D. The heavyweight division as a whole sucks lyle. 99% of the time it's scrub against scrub. Out of that list the only one who I feel 100% certain would beat Valuev is Wlad. i.e., Wlad is the only heavyweight in the world who doesn't suck. :laugh:

Lyle your Valuev posts are pathetic.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Here's how I see the fights going

Wladimir Klitschko flat out destroys Valuev TKO 5

Lyakhovich outboxes the big ape

Rahman...depends on which Rahman shows up the Hasim who beat down Meehan or the Rahman that couldn't hurt James "Two Ton" Toney

Chris Byrd - I will say 7 out of 10 times Byrd will be on his game enough to make the giant Valuev look like a fool

Sam Peter will eat the jab all night but I think once Valuev is hurt, since he's so big it's hard for him to really control what happens next so Sam can throw haymakers all night...what's he gonna do miss the 7 foot oaf that's standing right infront of him???

Briggs can outbox Valuev and maybe KO him

Krasniqi...he might be able to beat him, he's a good boxer

Joe Mesi can make Nico eat that left hook all day long

Brewster punishes Valuev

Brock could outbox him...I see this as the most even fight

Sultan is small but he works the body so you have to give him a chance

Timor I don't know enough about

I think young up and coming "Fast" Eddie Chambers is going to be a handful for a lot of boxers out there

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Wow, thats some serious pre fight analysis right there, for a minute I thought Magnum was back :beat:

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Originally Posted by bilbo

After watching Valuev dismantle Beck with consumate ease I'm confident he will be too strong for Wladimir.

Wlad has one tactic, stay on the outside and use his jab. If his opponent comes inside he clinches and hugs, trying to squeeze the life out of his opponent.

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You're an idiot

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Originally Posted by squealpiggy

Wlad, points decision. Everyone else knocked out or losing on a decision. Valuev would never be champion if there were decent heavyweights in his way, but right now there isn't anyone.

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So are you!

Who's the hardest puncher Valuev has fought? Ruiz? Wlad has more power than ANYONE Valuev has fought and does big Nicky have trouble with boxers? YES! He had hella trouble with Larry Donald.

You guys say Wlad can't fight big guys? When Jameel McCline was at his peak Wlad outboxed him and KO'd him.

Wlad has fought the better opponents, he's younger, faster, has more power and is an all around better boxer.

Valuev's record is S***

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Ok so Lyle what exactly is it that you find so goddam sexy about Wladimir Klitoris? Is it his soft milky smooth skin or his tight firm muscles that gets you so worked up?

We all know that your presence on any thread can only mean one of two things, a) You are slagging off that racist, trash talking draft dodger Ali, or b) You are getting all giddy and excited whilst telling us just how great and altogether shag-a-licious big Wladdy is.

You are more annoying than a bunch of Mikkel Kessler nuthugggers and about as predictable as Howard Eastman in a world title challange.

We all know what you are :gay-as-steelie: and want to get a double facial from the Klitschko brothers :skiing:

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dear god help me! im having a f-ing heart attack! that was the funniest post ive seen in a long while! :jabbing: you guys good friends? HONESTLY i think Wlad would beat the living shat out of Nick. Wlad is way to fast for him. (please stop with the double facial stuff man! thats just sick! :lolhaha:) i cc you both but i burned them already.

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Originally Posted by bilbo

After watching Valuev dismantle Beck with consumate ease I'm confident he will be too strong for Wladimir.

Wlad has one tactic, stay on the outside and use his jab. If his opponent comes inside he clinches and hugs, trying to squeeze the life out of his opponent.

Well he would be able to do neither against Valuev, who I believe would simply turn the tables on Wladimir and beat him at his own game. We all know Klit's jaw is about as fragile as an Israeli Palestinian peace agreement whilst Valuev's neanderthal bone structure looks incredibly solid, his brain being encased in about an extra inch's worth of forehead ridge whilst his jaw shows hardly no evolutionary change from when it served to enable early man to chew their way through bark and to tear off strips of
Wooly Mammoth flesh whilst the hapless elephant was still alive.

Valuev to give Wladimr a bruising 5 round beat down 8)

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And after watching Larry Donald beat the stuffing out of Valuev I have no doubt in my mind that he wouldn't have a chance against Wladimer :)

I thought this was funny....

"People underestimate Valuev. When he finishes learning combinations, like you saw tonight, he will be awesome," said Don King, who has a piece of the 32-year-old Russian. "He will unify the division."

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Originally Posted by bilbo

After watching Valuev dismantle Beck with consumate ease I'm confident he will be too strong for Wladimir.

Wlad has one tactic, stay on the outside and use his jab. If his opponent comes inside he clinches and hugs, trying to squeeze the life out of his opponent.

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You're an idiot

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Originally Posted by squealpiggy

Wlad, points decision. Everyone else knocked out or losing on a decision. Valuev would never be champion if there were decent heavyweights in his way, but right now there isn't anyone.

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So are you!

Who's the hardest puncher Valuev has fought? Ruiz? Wlad has more power than ANYONE Valuev has fought and does big Nicky have trouble with boxers? YES! He had hella trouble with Larry Donald.

You guys say Wlad can't fight big guys? When Jameel McCline was at his peak Wlad outboxed him and KO'd him.

Wlad has fought the better opponents, he's younger, faster, has more power and is an all around better boxer.

Valuev's record is S***

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Ok so Lyle what exactly is it that you find so goddam sexy about Wladimir Klitoris? Is it his soft milky smooth skin or his tight firm muscles that gets you so worked up?

We all know that your presence on any thread can only mean one of two things, a) You are slagging off that racist, trash talking draft dodger Ali, or b) You are getting all giddy and excited whilst telling us just how great and altogether shag-a-licious big Wladdy is.

You are more annoying than a bunch of Mikkel Kessler nuthugggers and about as predictable as Howard Eastman in a world title challange.

We all know what you are :gay-as-steelie: and want to get a double facial from the Klitschko brothers :skiing:

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Lyle your Valuev posts are pathetic.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Here's how I see the fights going

Wladimir Klitschko flat out destroys Valuev TKO 5

Lyakhovich outboxes the big ape

Rahman...depends on which Rahman shows up the Hasim who beat down Meehan or the Rahman that couldn't hurt James "Two Ton" Toney

Chris Byrd - I will say 7 out of 10 times Byrd will be on his game enough to make the giant Valuev look like a fool

Sam Peter will eat the jab all night but I think once Valuev is hurt, since he's so big it's hard for him to really control what happens next so Sam can throw haymakers all night...what's he gonna do miss the 7 foot oaf that's standing right infront of him???

Briggs can outbox Valuev and maybe KO him

Krasniqi...he might be able to beat him, he's a good boxer

Joe Mesi can make Nico eat that left hook all day long

Brewster punishes Valuev

Brock could outbox him...I see this as the most even fight

Sultan is small but he works the body so you have to give him a chance

Timor I don't know enough about

I think young up and coming "Fast" Eddie Chambers is going to be a handful for a lot of boxers out there

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Wow, thats some serious pre fight analysis right there, for a minute I thought Magnum was back :beat:

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Honestly guys, Ive got to agree with everything Lyle says. Valuev is awful, he doesnt generate enough power for his size and is too clumsy to deal with anyone half good. Who can you honestly say he's beaten??? Clifford Etienne? Owen Beck? Both awful. Apparantly he needed a gift to beat Ruiz, this guys beating noone.

Yes! AC, Starr, 1stRound...I mean people who now rate Valuev because he beat Owen Beck are crazy. OWEN BECK people....he's not even on Kevin McBride's level much less that of even a Joe Mesi.

Is it just me or are more people drinking the Don King Kool-Aid???

Right now Valuev if he wants a step up fight he should fight Monte Barrett. because right now anyone world class would beat him badly.

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Right now Valuev if he wants a step up fight he should fight Monte Barrett. because right now anyone world class would beat him badly.

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i just dont agree starr. valuev would be a piece of crap if he were the size of a normal human. however , he is a f-ing giant. hence the 0 on his record.

Well honestly I see him as a 7 foot 320 pount heavybag with a jab....the unfrozen caveman heavyweight will be beaten and beaten badly

I think many Heavyweights can outspeed him and beat him on the inside like he's going to push them away and try to force distance but he wouldn't get away with all of it. Size matters only if the fighter can use it, he uses his size to overpower and not use distance and will get beaten with speed one day since he is open for everything, make him move his feet, zip in and hit him then spin out before he can get to you and make him come towards you again.

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Originally Posted by Starr

I think many Heavyweights can outspeed him and beat him on the inside like he's going to push them away and try to force distance but he wouldn't get away with all of it. Size matters only if the fighter can use it, he uses his size to overpower and not use distance and will get beaten with speed one day since he is open for everything, make him move his feet, zip in and hit him then spin out before he can get to you and make him come towards you again.

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good arguement , but if he gets some one specialized in training 10 foot tall guys, nick wont fall for it and the other guy has to come to him.

an in and out fighter would work him over badly!!!

a smothering fighter will beat him badly!!!!

Basically anyone who is not content to stay infront of Valuev's jab will really hurt him

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an in and out fighter would work him over badly!!!

a smothering fighter will beat him badly!!!!

Basically anyone who is not content to stay infront of Valuev's jab will really hurt him

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Yep. The people who swing wildly and leave openings or are content to just stay on the outside and swing away from a long distance are the people he beats, but an inside outside fighter he has trouble with.

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an in and out fighter would work him over badly!!!

a smothering fighter will beat him badly!!!!

Basically anyone who is not content to stay infront of Valuev's jab will really hurt him

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Yep. The people who swing wildly and leave openings or are content to just stay on the outside and swing away from a long distance are the people he beats, but an inside outside fighter he has trouble with.

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if he learns (BIG if) to develop a big george type defense.and a sort of rope a dope style and then pops them. he could (BIG could) become...

"People underestimate Valuev. When he finishes learning combinations, like you saw tonight, he will be awesome," said Don King, who has a piece of the 32-year-old Russian. "He will unify the division."


unlikely, but you never know.

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an in and out fighter would work him over badly!!!

a smothering fighter will beat him badly!!!!

Basically anyone who is not content to stay infront of Valuev's jab will really hurt him

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Yep. The people who swing wildly and leave openings or are content to just stay on the outside and swing away from a long distance are the people he beats, but an inside outside fighter he has trouble with.

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if he learns (BIG if) to develop a big george type defense.and a sort of rope a dope style and then pops them. he could (BIG could) become...

"People underestimate Valuev. When he finishes learning combinations, like you saw tonight, he will be awesome," said Don King, who has a piece of the 32-year-old Russian. "He will unify the division."


unlikely, but you never know.

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I've got faith in the big guy. In the meantime I'll continue to proclaim how much better he is than Wladimir just to annoy Lyle ;)

Who has Valuev beat that Wladimer wouldn't have knocked out sooner?

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Who has Valuev beat that Wladimer wouldn't have knocked out sooner?

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not a soul im sure (without going to boxrec.com). wlad would/should beat him badly and most likely ko him.

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Alright guys he beat Owen Beck by KO HOOPTY DAMN DOO! :beat: ....How would he fair vs everyone who doesn't SUCK?

Wlad Klitschko

Sergei Lyakhovich

Hasim Rahman

Chris Byrd

Sam Peter

Shannon Briggs

Luan Krasniqi

Joe Mesi

Lamon Brewster

Calvin Brock

Sultan Ibragimov

Timor Ibragimov

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He beats then all except the first 2 on the list, Peter and brewster have a punchers chance.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Alright guys he beat Owen Beck by KO HOOPTY DAMN DOO! :beat: ....How would he fair vs everyone who doesn't SUCK?

Wlad Klitschko

Sergei Lyakhovich

Hasim Rahman

Chris Byrd

Sam Peter

Shannon Briggs

Luan Krasniqi

Joe Mesi

Lamon Brewster

Calvin Brock

Sultan Ibragimov

Timor Ibragimov

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He beats then all except the first 2 on the list, Peter and brewster have a punchers chance.

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i think shannon would have a good chance.

Valuev has 44 total fights

Valuev fought 5 guys who had either never fought before or never won a fight before

Valuev has only fought 31 guys with winning records

2 of those 31 were John Ruiz and Larry Donald they comprise the only true threats he has fought and he won via majority decision over both of them IN GERMANY. And yes he gets gifts from the judges in Germany.

I think ANYONE has a good chance vs Valuev, he doesn't punch hard for as big as he is, probably p4p the WEAKEST puncher in the division

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Valuev has 44 total fights

Valuev fought 5 guys who had either never fought before or never won a fight before

Valuev has only fought 31 guys with winning records

2 of those 31 were John Ruiz and Larry Donald they comprise the only true threats he has fought and he won via majority decision over both of them IN GERMANY. And yes he gets gifts from the judges in Germany.

I think ANYONE has a good chance vs Valuev, he doesn't punch hard for as big as he is, probably p4p the WEAKEST puncher in the division

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yes so he dosent "punch hard for as big as he is". so how hard do you think he punches? like a 240 lbs guy, 250 ,260 , etc...?

Honestly I think Andrew Golota punches harder than him, he probably has similar power to Sergei Lyakhovich or Sinan Samil Sam. Nothing you WANT to get hit with but nothing serious either...plus it's slow.

Wlad WITHOUT A DOUBT punches harder!

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Honestly I think Andrew Golota punches harder than him, he probably has similar power to Sergei Lyakhovich or Sinan Samil Sam. Nothing you WANT to get hit with but nothing serious either...plus it's slow.

Wlad WITHOUT A DOUBT punches harder!

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agree. maybe they should put golota in there with him. he hasnt been mentioned as a likely foe yet. id bet on golota for sure.

It's like I asked to any Valuev supporters. Who has Valuev fought that Wladimer wouldn't have knocked out sooner?

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It's like I asked to any Valuev supporters. Who has Valuev fought that Wladimer wouldn't have knocked out sooner?

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Yeah, I'd cc you again but 24 hr rule

And since when is Owen Beck any good??? I mean are the heavyweight fights so worthless that you can't judge skill anymore? "Oh man Valuev KO'd a guy in 3 rounds!!!"....yeah a guy MONTE FUCKIN BARRETT KO'D!!!

Matter of fact... who has Valuev beat that that list of Heavyweight Lyle gave couldn't beat ;D

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It's like I asked to any Valuev supporters. Who has Valuev fought that Wladimer wouldn't have knocked out sooner?

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Yeah, I'd cc you again but 24 hr rule

And since when is Owen Beck any good??? I mean are the heavyweight fights so worthless that you can't judge skill anymore? "Oh man Valuev KO'd a guy in 3 rounds!!!"....yeah a guy MONTE F****** BARRETT KO'D!!!

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o hell , at least nick is giving us something to talk about. and he still has that "freak" factor which noone has solved as of yet. so the debate continues...

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Matter of fact... who has Valuev beat that that list of Heavyweight Lyle gave couldn't beat ;D

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DAMN straight SISTA! I got Starr in my corner and it's 'bout to get Rough in Russia Nicky!!!

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Wlad WITHOUT A DOUBT punches harder!

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Corrie Sanders anyone? ^-^ :boxingmatch:

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Wlad WITHOUT A DOUBT punches harder!

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Corrie Sanders anyone? ^-^ :boxingmatch:

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....oh how original, did you think of that all by yourself?

Yeah so Corrie Sanders beat Wlad, big fuckin deal Corrie Sanders was also better than Nicolay Valuev....and he hit harder too.

Why does Corrie Sanders beating Wladimer have to do with who hits harder between Valuev and him ???