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Floyd Sr. Says that Delahoya will knock his son out!
http://www.doghouseboxing.com/Chee/Chee0604a06.htm
In an interview conducted by David Mayo of The Grand Rapids Press, Floyd Mayweather Sr. is convinced his son (Floyd Jr) will get hurt if he fight Oscar De La Hoya. The Senior Mayweather who trains Oscar, last month said he wouldn't participate in any bout against his son, has had a changed of Heart.
Mayweather Sr told The Grand Rapids Press in regards to training Oscar to beat his Son: "I was trying to be a father by not going through with this thing. I hate to do it, I don't want it to happen, and I never wanted it to get this far. But I'll tell you something, if Oscar talks to me now about fighting my son, and if he comes up with the right digits for me, to where I'm comfortable with it, the fight is on."
Mayweather added: "That's something I don't want to do. I've been trying to avoid it. But mark my words, my son would get hurt. Oscar may take a few punches, but Floyd is going to get stopped in the fight, because I'm going to make it happen. It's 12 rounds. At some point, he's going to get hit. And if he gets hit and hurt, the fight is over."
"I taught my son everything he knows, but I didn't teach him everything I know. I'm the one who created the style, I'm the one who can break the style. I know just how to open it up, believe me. That's what the fight would come down to, whether I can break the style. And if I have to show you, and if Oscar puts the right money on the table, I grant you it will be broken.""
According to David Mayo's interview, Mayweather Sr. change of heart came last week at his mother's home, when his son showed up by chance. but his Son declined to enter the House when he found out his Father was inside.
Mayweather Sr. wants 2 Million to help Oscar defeat his son. He is predictiong his son will get knocked-out.
Anybody still think I'm crazy or been watching too many Kung Fu movies ::** Told you ;)
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ahhhh....u beat me too it.
i can't believe u got no responses....i think it's because my thread title was more exciting.
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what the fuck?? i havent been online for a while. no way floyd. there has got to be some wierd psychology behind that. its a buisness yeah, but it can't be about the money that much for you to train someone to hammer your own son. iv'e been to holland by the way. and i saw an advert with vitali and wladamir selling some kind of kinder egg thing. no word of a lie.
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Mayweather is extremely overrated as a trainer. It's not like he taught ODH how to box. He was already extremely successful prior to having Mayweather as his trainer. In addition it is quite easy to argue that his career took a down turn since having Mayweather as his trainer.
PBF is successful because he is physically gifted with speed, and he's been boxing his whole life. He didn't get to be successful from some super training regiment from his father or uncle.
ODH will win this fight because he is the bigger stronger man, and his speed is good enough to catch PBF. He can hurt PBF, and PBF can't hurt him. Bottom line. There's no magical formula or trick that Mayweather has to beat PBF. PBF is overmatched in this fight, just like ODH was with Hopkins.
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well! what a nice father! "ill break that style that IIIII created!" what an a-hole. "if the money is right"...what a jerk.
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well! what a nice father! "ill break that style that IIIII created!" what an a-hole. "if the money is right"...what a jerk.
CC. I agree. What a great father huh? Jones Sr. and Roy had their differnces but you didn't see the old man running to Montell Griffin, James Toney, or Virgil Hill's corners and training them to KO Roy. Same with the Hiltons, the Dave Sr. didn't train others to KO Matthew and Davey. IF Floyd Sr. goes through with this, it will be a disgrace and forever alienate him from his son. What's worth more, 2 mil, or havin your son hate you for the rest of your life?
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well! what a nice father! "ill break that style that IIIII created!" what an a-hole. "if the money is right"...what a jerk.
CC. I agree. What a great father huh? Jones Sr. and Roy had their differnces but you didn't see the old man running to Montell Griffin, James Toney, or Virgil Hill's corners and training them to KO Roy. Same with the Hiltons, the Dave Sr. didn't train others to KO Matthew and Davey. IF Floyd Sr. goes through with this, it will be a disgrace and forever alienate him from his son. What's worth more, 2 mil, or havin your son hate you for the rest of your life?
cc back, yea what an ass h. i guess money means more to him. i dont guess he will be getting any father days cards anytime soon.
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well! what a nice father! "ill break that style that IIIII created!" what an a-hole. "if the money is right"...what a jerk.
CC. I agree. What a great father huh? Jones Sr. and Roy had their differnces but you didn't see the old man running to Montell Griffin, James Toney, or Virgil Hill's corners and training them to KO Roy. Same with the Hiltons, the Dave Sr. didn't train others to KO Matthew and Davey. IF Floyd Sr. goes through with this, it will be a disgrace and forever alienate him from his son. What's worth more, 2 mil, or havin your son hate you for the rest of your life?
cc back, yea what an ass h. i guess money means more to him. i dont guess he will be getting any father days cards anytime soon.
Sure he will if Floyd doesn't want him to train Oscar ;D It would be like a mob movie with Mayweather like.
Floyd: Please don't call Sr... please don't call Sr..NO...not daddy!! I'll do anything...
Sr: I want some fathers day cards!!! I want some of those cars!! If you meet my demands.. maybe...just maybe I won't train Oscar......
;D
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still , would it make all that much difference? sr will say "ok golden boy hes gonna do this and you do that". when they are in the ring all that shat is out the door. and i thought oscar was supposed to be mr.nice guy? so he hires hes competetors dad????? nice..................
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still , would it make all that much difference? sr will say "ok golden boy hes gonna do this and you do that". when they are in the ring all that shat is out the door. and i thought oscar was supposed to be mr.nice guy? so he hires hes competetors dad????? nice..................
Oscar is much like SRL, he is purely out for himself. The man is a selfish, vain, smug, jerk for the most part. He cons the public and puts on a nice squaky clean persona. Its all an act. He's a fake. That is why I so desperately wanted el Matador to destroy him, but it was not meant to be. I don't like Oscar or Floyd, but at least Floyd keeps it real.
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He will train Oscar in a way that PBF will chew Oscar up and spit him out, While collecting a cool two million. That's his son man.
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still , would it make all that much difference? sr will say "ok golden boy hes gonna do this and you do that". when they are in the ring all that shat is out the door. and i thought oscar was supposed to be mr.nice guy? so he hires hes competetors dad????? nice..................
Oscar is much like SRL, he is purely out for himself. The man is a selfish, vain, smug, jerk for the most part. He cons the public and puts on a nice squaky clean persona. Its all an act. He's a fake. That is why I so desperately wanted el Matador to destroy him, but it was not meant to be. I don't like Oscar or Floyd, but at least Floyd keeps it real.
While that may or may not be true. Its irrelavant to this situation. U cant fault Oscar for wanting to fight Mayweather Junior cuz thats the best fight out there before he retires.. If anything its Mayweather Sr. thats acting out pure selfishness....sayin he'll train Oscar to KO his son for 2 Mill. DLH would be takin huge risk in trusting Mayweather Sr. to train him well enf to do this. Would u trust a man training u to knock out his Own son....especially since regardless of the outcome he would get paid 2 Million.
Oscar should get another trainer for this fight.
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He will train Oscar in a way that PBF will chew Oscar up and spit him out, While collecting a cool two million. That's his son man.
Yeah. Train his Oscar well enf to loose.
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He will train Oscar in a way that PBF will chew Oscar up and spit him out, While collecting a cool two million. That's his son man.
Yeah. Train his Oscar well enf to loose.
yep
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I never thought of it that way. That would be quite the diabolical plan wouldn't it? ;D
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>:mad
stop this crap!!!
hey guys,
the outcome of this fight has been fixed!!!
de la hoya will lose. :o
he decided that he wil lose. hes part of it.
because hes more of a businessman than a boxer
they'll give us probably 10 rounds of staring and useless jabbing...
remember the hopkins fight?
they never really punched each other! and
the fake knockdown? where oscar was 'grimacing in pain'?
ya i know, oscar must win an oscar..
hes one great actor... :lickish:
then after the hopkins fight he said he's very sure he'll retire now...
then he comesback for a title fight...
against an underachiever so theres a bigger chance for him to be a champ once again...
see, its all scheduled and planned when oscar is involved...
he is too clever!!!
now these issues of the sr. and jr. thing is just a part of it
actually a major part of it
see, senior is doing the talking..
its for promotion!!!
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Mayweather is extremely overrated as a trainer. It's not like he taught ODH how to box. He was already extremely successful prior to having Mayweather as his trainer. In addition it is quite easy to argue that his career took a down turn since having Mayweather as his trainer.
PBF is successful because he is physically gifted with speed, and he's been boxing his whole life. He didn't get to be successful from some super training regiment from his father or uncle.
ODH will win this fight because he is the bigger stronger man, and his speed is good enough to catch PBF. He can hurt PBF, and PBF can't hurt him. Bottom line. There's no magical formula or trick that Mayweather has to beat PBF. PBF is overmatched in this fight, just like ODH was with Hopkins.
:coolclick: Fantastic!
Took the words right outta my mouf!
Oscar is what will beat Lil Floyd...not Floyd Sr.
Egotistical bitch!
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Mayweather is extremely overrated as a trainer. It's not like he taught ODH how to box. He was already extremely successful prior to having Mayweather as his trainer. In addition it is quite easy to argue that his career took a down turn since having Mayweather as his trainer.
PBF is successful because he is physically gifted with speed, and he's been boxing his whole life. He didn't get to be successful from some super training regiment from his father or uncle.
ODH will win this fight because he is the bigger stronger man, and his speed is good enough to catch PBF. He can hurt PBF, and PBF can't hurt him. Bottom line. There's no magical formula or trick that Mayweather has to beat PBF. PBF is overmatched in this fight, just like ODH was with Hopkins.
:coolclick: Fantastic!
Took the words right outta my mouf!
Oscar is what will beat Lil Floyd...not Floyd Sr.
Egotistical bitch!
what oscar have you been looking at..the one that lost to sturm,hop, mosely twice? or the one beat up the tito leftovers in vargas and mayorga...because either one them would be beaten by floyd...meaning either version of oscar would be beaten by floyd because it would be at ww not jmw....
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Mosley, Hopkins, and Sturm are all bigger and or stronger than ODH. PBF isn't, and he is fighting someone that is bigger, stronger, and fast enough to land punches on him. PBF is the smaller man here. He is overmatched period. Doesn't matter if he fights a great fight, eventually ODH will get him. Just like ODH with BHOP. It was just a matter of time.
And people saying that Hopkins wasn't hitting ODH? He was starting to land that straight right and you could see ODH was feeling it. He was just to big and strong.
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Don't know about all the conspiracy theories, but who didn't see this sh@% coming really? If trainers won fights for the fighters than Gatti would have beat Floyd. Floyd Sr. is full of himself and he forgets his brother is a pretty good trainer too, his son definitely thinks so. I'm on board for father against son, brother against brother. Current P4P king vs aging perennial P4P king no fixing involved. How about that. The fight has enough interest and melodrama without a bunch of crackpot theories making more. Just for the record I think Floyd wins a Split decision on Oscar whom he will outbox.
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This article is designed purely to crank up the hype machine.
When you read a story like this with quotes, it's an indication that the fight is as good as made.
In my personal opinion, Floyd Snr will be nothing but a highly-paid spectator in this...
...plus he'll get a little extra pay in his packet for helping promote the fight with quotes like this one.
Back to the fight: The only common opponent is Arturo Gatti - who i believe ODH stopped quicker (unless i'm mistaken) in round 5 as opposed to Rd 6 for Floyd. That stoppage was at welter where Gatti was bigger and younger.
I think that based on history alone, that De La Hoya will KO floyd once he lands that honey-punch hook. He is a big man now and has been fighting bigger men for years.
Wheras Floyd has only fought twice at 147 against Sharmba Mitchell and Zab Judah - neither of whom are exactly Bernard Hopkins.
That said, my opinion is based on history only - Floyd could have enough tricks up his sleeve to pull off a points win - but no way would he stop De La Hoya (that we can all agree on).
Floyds chances increase with every pound lost under 154 too i add.
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Mosley, Hopkins, and Sturm are all bigger and or stronger than ODH. PBF isn't, and he is fighting someone that is bigger, stronger, and fast enough to land punches on him. PBF is the smaller man here. He is overmatched period. Doesn't matter if he fights a great fight, eventually ODH will get him. Just like ODH with BHOP. It was just a matter of time.
And people saying that Hopkins wasn't hitting ODH? He was starting to land that straight right and you could see ODH was feeling it. He was just to big and strong.
Mosely moved up to fight delahoya both times that they fought...first from 135 to 147 then 147 to 154 so he (oscar) the bigger man in both losses....and when was the last time that oscar beat a real A-rated fighter?
Yeah Oscar looked good against a wide swinging bar fighter who'd been on a long layoff himself and got ruined by tito...but let's not get carried away...floyd's defense is far superior to shane mosely's and oscar couldn't land a flush punch on him and that was when oscar was much faster...oscar's only chance is if this fight takes place at 154...that'll be more so due to pbf thinking that gaining weight means you punch harder which cause him to stay still long enough to get hit...at 147 floyd moves around all night and will out point delahoya..because floyd is not stupid and knows that oscar can hurt him...pbf has never been arrogant in the ring....he concedes the other fighters advantages much like he did against chico...understanding that chico could hurt him he moved all night..the same thing he will do against oscar..
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For every member on this forum who has ever had a loser father Floyd Jr will join us. His father is a deadbeat and if I was PBF I would ignore his existense.
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Mosley, Hopkins, and Sturm are all bigger and or stronger than ODH. PBF isn't, and he is fighting someone that is bigger, stronger, and fast enough to land punches on him. PBF is the smaller man here. He is overmatched period. Doesn't matter if he fights a great fight, eventually ODH will get him. Just like ODH with BHOP. It was just a matter of time.
And people saying that Hopkins wasn't hitting ODH? He was starting to land that straight right and you could see ODH was feeling it. He was just to big and strong.
Mosely moved up to fight delahoya both times that they fought...first from 135 to 147 then 147 to 154 so he (oscar) the bigger man in both losses....and when was the last time that oscar beat a real A-rated fighter?
Yeah Oscar looked good against a wide swinging bar fighter who'd been on a long layoff himself and got ruined by tito...but let's not get carried away...floyd's defense is far superior to shane mosely's and oscar couldn't land a flush punch on him and that was when oscar was much faster...oscar's only chance is if this fight takes place at 154...that'll be more so due to pbf thinking that gaining weight means you punch harder which cause him to stay still long enough to get hit...at 147 floyd moves around all night and will out point delahoya..because floyd is not stupid and knows that oscar can hurt him...pbf has never been arrogant in the ring....he concedes the other fighters advantages much like he did against chico...understanding that chico could hurt him he moved all night..the same thing he will do against oscar..
Mosely may be smaller, but he is stronger than ODH and definitely PBF. Also Mosley has a great chin. ODH landed MANY solid punches on Mosley. Mosley just landed more and took them well. The bottom line is ODH can hurt PBF, and PBF can't hurt ODH. Plus ODH isn't a stalking wide swinging brawler. He is a technically sound boxer with good speed and power. PBF hasn't faced anyone with good skills AND who is bigger and stronger. And because of that he won't be able to outrun ODH all night, and avoid getting hit. Eventually he is going to take some punches, and ODH hits harder than Zab. If ODH is in shape, he will win the fight.
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Mosley, Hopkins, and Sturm are all bigger and or stronger than ODH. PBF isn't, and he is fighting someone that is bigger, stronger, and fast enough to land punches on him. PBF is the smaller man here. He is overmatched period. Doesn't matter if he fights a great fight, eventually ODH will get him. Just like ODH with BHOP. It was just a matter of time.
And people saying that Hopkins wasn't hitting ODH? He was starting to land that straight right and you could see ODH was feeling it. He was just to big and strong.
Mosely moved up to fight delahoya both times that they fought...first from 135 to 147 then 147 to 154 so he (oscar) the bigger man in both losses....and when was the last time that oscar beat a real A-rated fighter?
Yeah Oscar looked good against a wide swinging bar fighter who'd been on a long layoff himself and got ruined by tito...but let's not get carried away...floyd's defense is far superior to shane mosely's and oscar couldn't land a flush punch on him and that was when oscar was much faster...oscar's only chance is if this fight takes place at 154...that'll be more so due to pbf thinking that gaining weight means you punch harder which cause him to stay still long enough to get hit...at 147 floyd moves around all night and will out point delahoya..because floyd is not stupid and knows that oscar can hurt him...pbf has never been arrogant in the ring....he concedes the other fighters advantages much like he did against chico...understanding that chico could hurt him he moved all night..the same thing he will do against oscar..
Mosely may be smaller, but he is stronger than ODH and definitely PBF. Also Mosley has a great chin. ODH landed MANY solid punches on Mosley. Mosley just landed more and took them well. The bottom line is ODH can hurt PBF, and PBF can't hurt ODH. Plus ODH isn't a stalking wide swinging brawler. He is a technically sound boxer with good speed and power. PBF hasn't faced anyone with good skills AND who is bigger and stronger. And because of that he won't be able to outrun ODH all night, and avoid getting hit. Eventually he is going to take some punches, and ODH hits harder than Zab. If ODH is in shape, he will win the fight.
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how can you say that shane has a great chin and floyd doesn't? and by what theory do you say that oscar hits hard enough to drop pbf...esp giving the fact pbf has never been dropped, and can take it on the chin....i sometimes wonder where this notion that young great fighters that dominate can't take a punch...it was a given that gatti would ko pbf had he landed, but he didn't...it was a given that chico would ko pbf had he landed but he didn't...and being that oscar has one of the most accurate right hands in the history of the sport i seriously doubt that roger & floyd would overlook this tremendous weapon that oscar has...trust me floyd won't stay still long enough to be hit and oscar won't have has much power after 6 or eight rounds of chasing and eating..he'll tire just enough for floyd to bicycle his way to a UD or late stoppage...
so who hits harder, OLDH or Vernon forrest?
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Mosley, Hopkins, and Sturm are all bigger and or stronger than ODH. PBF isn't, and he is fighting someone that is bigger, stronger, and fast enough to land punches on him. PBF is the smaller man here. He is overmatched period. Doesn't matter if he fights a great fight, eventually ODH will get him. Just like ODH with BHOP. It was just a matter of time.
And people saying that Hopkins wasn't hitting ODH? He was starting to land that straight right and you could see ODH was feeling it. He was just to big and strong.
Mosely moved up to fight delahoya both times that they fought...first from 135 to 147 then 147 to 154 so he (oscar) the bigger man in both losses....and when was the last time that oscar beat a real A-rated fighter?
Yeah Oscar looked good against a wide swinging bar fighter who'd been on a long layoff himself and got ruined by tito...but let's not get carried away...floyd's defense is far superior to shane mosely's and oscar couldn't land a flush punch on him and that was when oscar was much faster...oscar's only chance is if this fight takes place at 154...that'll be more so due to pbf thinking that gaining weight means you punch harder which cause him to stay still long enough to get hit...at 147 floyd moves around all night and will out point delahoya..because floyd is not stupid and knows that oscar can hurt him...pbf has never been arrogant in the ring....he concedes the other fighters advantages much like he did against chico...understanding that chico could hurt him he moved all night..the same thing he will do against oscar..
Mosely may be smaller, but he is stronger than ODH and definitely PBF. Also Mosley has a great chin. ODH landed MANY solid punches on Mosley. Mosley just landed more and took them well. The bottom line is ODH can hurt PBF, and PBF can't hurt ODH. Plus ODH isn't a stalking wide swinging brawler. He is a technically sound boxer with good speed and power. PBF hasn't faced anyone with good skills AND who is bigger and stronger. And because of that he won't be able to outrun ODH all night, and avoid getting hit. Eventually he is going to take some punches, and ODH hits harder than Zab. If ODH is in shape, he will win the fight.
how can you say that shane has a great chin and floyd doesn't? and by what theory do you say that oscar hits hard enough to drop pbf...esp giving the fact pbf has never been dropped, and can take it on the chin....i sometimes wonder where this notion that young great fighters that dominate can't take a punch...it was a given that gatti would ko pbf had he landed, but he didn't...it was a given that chico would ko pbf had he landed but he didn't...and being that oscar has one of the most accurate right hands in the history of the sport i seriously doubt that roger & floyd would overlook this tremendous weapon that oscar has...trust me floyd won't stay still long enough to be hit and oscar won't have has much power after 6 or eight rounds of chasing and eating..he'll tire just enough for floyd to bicycle his way to a UD or late stoppage...
so who hits harder, OLDH or Vernon forrest?
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For some reason the Oscar fans on this site think that a De La Hoya Vs PBF fight will be similiar to the Mayorga fight and that PBF is going to stand there and trade with Oscar!!!!!!! Wrong. PBF will not be there to hit like Mayorga, and instead of looking for one big blow he will pelt Oscar with shot after shot all night long. If you want an example watch the Whitaker Vs De La Hoya fight where Oscar could not find Pernell all night long. Picture that but with alot more offense from his opponent. Another thing is that Oscar's greatest victories came against Mayorga and Vargas, two fighters that were beaten half to death against Trinidad and both showed signs of slowing down before they lost to Oscar. Now this great punching power I hear about Oscar did not work against
Trinidad- who he hit with his best shot's and could not finish nor wobble
Mosley 1 and 2- Mosley was never in trouble of being knocked out and almost knocked Oscar out in the 9th round of the second fight.
Hopkins- Could not even come close to hurting
Sturm- Never Hurt
Whitaker- Never could hit him
Quartey- Had him in trouble in the 12th and hit him with his best shots wide open and could not finish him (judges robbed quartey)
These are the fighters that he faced at their peak's and never showed signs of slowing down yet his punching power was not a factor, so what's this myth about his punching power. Floyd would have beaten Oscar in his prime yet alone now.
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For some reason the Oscar fans on this site think that a De La Hoya Vs PBF fight will be similiar to the Mayorga fight and that PBF is going to stand there and trade with Oscar!!!!!!! Wrong. PBF will not be there to hit like Mayorga, and instead of looking for one big blow he will pelt Oscar with shot after shot all night long. If you want an example watch the Whitaker Vs De La Hoya fight where Oscar could not find Pernell all night long. Picture that but with alot more offense from his opponent. Another thing is that Oscar's greatest victories came against Mayorga and Vargas, two fighters that were beaten half to death against Trinidad and both showed signs of slowing down before they lost to Oscar. Now this great punching power I hear about Oscar did not work against
Trinidad- who he hit with his best shot's and could not finish nor wobble
Mosley 1 and 2- Mosley was never in trouble of being knocked out and almost knocked Oscar out in the 9th round of the second fight.
Hopkins- Could not even come close to hurting
Sturm- Never Hurt
Whitaker- Never could hit him
Quartey- Had him in trouble in the 12th and hit him with his best shots wide open and could not finish him (judges robbed quartey)
These are the fighters that he faced at their peak's and never showed signs of slowing down yet his punching power was not a factor, so what's this myth about his punching power. Floyd would have beaten Oscar in his prime yet alone now.
excellent post but...
i don't think PBF would of beaten Mosely at 147 six years ago and probably wouldn't today. Mosely jumped straight from lightweight to welter carrying his timing, speed, power and combinations into the 1st Oscar fight at 147. It was a very close fight and I don't believe Floyd would of faired any better than Oscar infact I think he would of done worse. You really think lil'Floyd would of actually done better in any of those fights?
Floyd v Trinidad (undeafeted 1999 version) 147lb
Floyd v Mosely (undefeated 2000 version) 147lb
Floyd v Hopkins (undisputed MW Champ) 160lb
Floyd v Sturm (undefeated MW Champ) 160lb
Floyd v Whitaker (40-1 WBC Champ) 147lb
Floyd v Quartley (34-0 WBA Champ) 147lb
Floyd has only fought 2 fights at 147lb against 2 very good 140lb boxers that have both previously been destroyed in the ring physically and mentally in a lower division! PBF has shown me nothing at 147lb to convince me he could win any of the above fights when Oscar fought them. I suppose you think Floyd could of destroyed Mayorga at 154lb like Oscar did too?
I' am 100% sure Oscar could beat PBF at 147 but I got a gut feeling he will lose the decision and you watch the controversy after the fight.
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Anybody still think I'm crazy or been watching too many Kung Fu movies ::** Told you ;)
What you told us was a little more sensational than that ... you said that he said that he had programmed a flaw into PBF's style, that it was hidden and no one knew about it but him, and it was lying there waiting for him to exploit like a secret weapon. What daddy says here is a bit more credible than that.
not that i doubt you one little bit.
I really like what Sr said - i taught him everything he knows, but i didn't teach him everything i know. That's a great line, just great!
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Re: Floyd Sr. Says that Delahoya will knock his son out!
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Originally Posted by gbrandon
For some reason the Oscar fans on this site think that a De La Hoya Vs PBF fight will be similiar to the Mayorga fight and that PBF is going to stand there and trade with Oscar!!!!!!! Wrong. PBF will not be there to hit like Mayorga, and instead of looking for one big blow he will pelt Oscar with shot after shot all night long. If you want an example watch the Whitaker Vs De La Hoya fight where Oscar could not find Pernell all night long. Picture that but with alot more offense from his opponent. Another thing is that Oscar's greatest victories came against Mayorga and Vargas, two fighters that were beaten half to death against Trinidad and both showed signs of slowing down before they lost to Oscar. Now this great punching power I hear about Oscar did not work against
Trinidad- who he hit with his best shot's and could not finish nor wobble
Mosley 1 and 2- Mosley was never in trouble of being knocked out and almost knocked Oscar out in the 9th round of the second fight.
Hopkins- Could not even come close to hurting
Sturm- Never Hurt
Whitaker- Never could hit him
Quartey- Had him in trouble in the 12th and hit him with his best shots wide open and could not finish him (judges robbed quartey)
These are the fighters that he faced at their peak's and never showed signs of slowing down yet his punching power was not a factor, so what's this myth about his punching power. Floyd would have beaten Oscar in his prime yet alone now.
excellent post but...
i don't think PBF would of beaten Mosely at 147 six years ago and probably wouldn't today. Mosely jumped straight from lightweight to welter carrying his timing, speed, power and combinations into the 1st Oscar fight at 147. It was a very close fight and I don't believe Floyd would of faired any better than Oscar infact I think he would of done worse. You really think lil'Floyd would of actually done better in any of those fights?
Floyd v Trinidad (undeafeted 1999 version) 147lb
Floyd v Mosely (undefeated 2000 version) 147lb
Floyd v Hopkins (undisputed MW Champ) 160lb
Floyd v Sturm (undefeated MW Champ) 160lb
Floyd v Whitaker (40-1 WBC Champ) 147lb
Floyd v Quartley (34-0 WBA Champ) 147lb
Floyd has only fought 2 fights at 147lb against 2 very good 140lb boxers that have both previously been destroyed in the ring physically and mentally in a lower division! PBF has shown me nothing at 147lb to convince me he could win any of the above fights when Oscar fought them. I suppose you think Floyd could of destroyed Mayorga at 154lb like Oscar did too?
I' am 100% sure Oscar could beat PBF at 147 but I got a gut feeling he will lose the decision and you watch the controversy after the fight.
PBF, other than moving up too fast, would have beaten the shit out of all them except mosely...tito got outboxed by delahoya and oscar can't box like PBF...and of those seven fights oscar lost 4...the other three where extremely controversial victories...
point is oscar has never beaten a prime A-rated fighter and it won't happen against PBF unless the planets line up, pigs fly, snow in june in miami, or some miraculous anotonio tarver eyes closed lucky punch lands on pbf...other than that he will be beaten and quite easily at that....
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Re: Floyd Sr. Says that Delahoya will knock his son out!
You should se the other interview with Floyd Sr. Its somewhere on the first page... and its shocking.. I think its beyong hyping a fight
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Re: Floyd Sr. Says that Delahoya will knock his son out!
First off there is no such thing as a lucky punch in boxing. They are trying to punch each other, so it wouldn't be luck.
Second, I don't know if Forrest of ODH hits harder, but both hit harder than PBF.
Third, I said Mosley has a great chin, I didn't say PBF doesn't. To be honest I don't know about PBF, but he looked a little shook by Judah, and ODH hits harder than Judah.
Fourth PBF will not be able to spend the whole fight without getting hit. If he throws punches he will take some as well. I am not a ODH fan, I just know when a fighter is over matched. PBF isn't big enough for this weight class and when he fights a complete fighter he will lose. As much as I have disliked ODH he is a complete fighter.
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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
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Originally Posted by Hairdoo
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Originally Posted by gbrandon
For some reason the Oscar fans on this site think that a De La Hoya Vs PBF fight will be similiar to the Mayorga fight and that PBF is going to stand there and trade with Oscar!!!!!!! Wrong. PBF will not be there to hit like Mayorga, and instead of looking for one big blow he will pelt Oscar with shot after shot all night long. If you want an example watch the Whitaker Vs De La Hoya fight where Oscar could not find Pernell all night long. Picture that but with alot more offense from his opponent. Another thing is that Oscar's greatest victories came against Mayorga and Vargas, two fighters that were beaten half to death against Trinidad and both showed signs of slowing down before they lost to Oscar. Now this great punching power I hear about Oscar did not work against
Trinidad- who he hit with his best shot's and could not finish nor wobble
Mosley 1 and 2- Mosley was never in trouble of being knocked out and almost knocked Oscar out in the 9th round of the second fight.
Hopkins- Could not even come close to hurting
Sturm- Never Hurt
Whitaker- Never could hit him
Quartey- Had him in trouble in the 12th and hit him with his best shots wide open and could not finish him (judges robbed quartey)
These are the fighters that he faced at their peak's and never showed signs of slowing down yet his punching power was not a factor, so what's this myth about his punching power. Floyd would have beaten Oscar in his prime yet alone now.
excellent post but...
i don't think PBF would of beaten Mosely at 147 six years ago and probably wouldn't today. Mosely jumped straight from lightweight to welter carrying his timing, speed, power and combinations into the 1st Oscar fight at 147. It was a very close fight and I don't believe Floyd would of faired any better than Oscar infact I think he would of done worse. You really think lil'Floyd would of actually done better in any of those fights?
Floyd v Trinidad (undeafeted 1999 version) 147lb
Floyd v Mosely (undefeated 2000 version) 147lb
Floyd v Hopkins (undisputed MW Champ) 160lb
Floyd v Sturm (undefeated MW Champ) 160lb
Floyd v Whitaker (40-1 WBC Champ) 147lb
Floyd v Quartley (34-0 WBA Champ) 147lb
Floyd has only fought 2 fights at 147lb against 2 very good 140lb boxers that have both previously been destroyed in the ring physically and mentally in a lower division! PBF has shown me nothing at 147lb to convince me he could win any of the above fights when Oscar fought them. I suppose you think Floyd could of destroyed Mayorga at 154lb like Oscar did too?
I' am 100% sure Oscar could beat PBF at 147 but I got a gut feeling he will lose the decision and you watch the controversy after the fight.
PBF, other than moving up too fast, would have beaten the S*** out of all them except mosely...tito got outboxed by delahoya and oscar can't box like PBF...and of those seven fights oscar lost 4...the other three where extremely controversial victories...
point is oscar has never beaten a prime A-rated fighter and it won't happen against PBF unless the planets line up, pigs fly, snow in june in miami, or some miraculous anotonio tarver eyes closed lucky punch lands on pbf...other than that he will be beaten and quite easily at that....
:rofmaoal:
fact is every A-rated fighter Oscar has shared the ring with has never out boxed him. He held his own against everyone of them. What A-list fighters has Floyd hung with? Zab Judah... or maybe Luis Castillo at 135lb...
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First off there is no such thing as a lucky punch in boxing. They are trying to punch each other, so it wouldn't be luck.
Second, I don't know if Forrest of ODH hits harder, but both hit harder than PBF.
Third, I said Mosley has a great chin, I didn't say PBF doesn't. To be honest I don't know about PBF, but he looked a little shook by Judah, and ODH hits harder than Judah.
Fourth PBF will not be able to spend the whole fight without getting hit. If he throws punches he will take some as well. I am not a ODH fan, I just know when a fighter is over matched. PBF isn't big enough for this weight class and when he fights a complete fighter he will lose. As much as I have disliked ODH he is a complete fighter.
well said.
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:rofmaoal:
fact is every A-rated fighter Oscar has shared the ring with has never out boxed him. He held his own against everyone of them.
right... its the B-rated fighters like Sturm that outbox him. And the A-plus fighters like Hopkins that knocked him out ;)
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:rofmaoal:
fact is every A-rated fighter Oscar has shared the ring with has never out boxed him. He held his own against everyone of them.
right... its the B-rated fighters like Sturm that outbox him. And the A-plus fighters like Hopkins that knocked him out ;)
thanks for the imput my jagged little pill ;D
just out of interest how do you think lil'Floyd would fair against Sturm and Hopkins?
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Originally Posted by Hairdoo
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Originally Posted by Starr
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Originally Posted by Hairdoo
:rofmaoal:
fact is every A-rated fighter Oscar has shared the ring with has never out boxed him. He held his own against everyone of them.
right... its the B-rated fighters like Sturm that outbox him. And the A-plus fighters like Hopkins that knocked him out ;)
thanks for the imput my jagged little pill ;D
just out of interest how do you think lil'Floyd would fair against Sturm and Hopkins?
Sturm and Hopkins are waaaaaaay bigger than PBF, how can you compare the two. That's like saying how would Pacman fair against Margarito.
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Originally Posted by gbrandon
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Originally Posted by Hairdoo
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Originally Posted by Starr
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Originally Posted by Hairdoo
:rofmaoal:
fact is every A-rated fighter Oscar has shared the ring with has never out boxed him. He held his own against everyone of them.
right... its the B-rated fighters like Sturm that outbox him. And the A-plus fighters like Hopkins that knocked him out ;)
thanks for the imput my jagged little pill ;D
just out of interest how do you think lil'Floyd would fair against Sturm and Hopkins?
Sturm and Hopkins are waaaaaaay bigger than PBF, how can you compare the two. That's like saying how would Pacman fair against Margarito.
it wasn't really a question i'm just having a dig at starr ;)
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Originally Posted by luvfightgame
First off there is no such thing as a lucky punch in boxing. They are trying to punch each other, so it wouldn't be luck.
Second, I don't know if Forrest of ODH hits harder, but both hit harder than PBF.
Third, I said Mosley has a great chin, I didn't say PBF doesn't. To be honest I don't know about PBF, but he looked a little shook by Judah, and ODH hits harder than Judah.
Fourth PBF will not be able to spend the whole fight without getting hit. If he throws punches he will take some as well. I am not a ODH fan, I just know when a fighter is over matched. PBF isn't big enough for this weight class and when he fights a complete fighter he will lose. As much as I have disliked ODH he is a complete fighter.
It's luck if your eyes are closed...like tarver in the second RJJ fight...
And Delahoya's power is extremely overrated...believe he only got the KO's over Vargas and Mayorga because they were ruined by tito trinidad...
Proof is in the fact that Vernon forrest dropped shane mosely twice but couldn't drop mayorga even when mayorga gave him free shots...
According to you Delahoya did land good shots on Shane but shane was never hurt...Forrest dropped him twice but couldn't drop Mayorga...Oscar couldn't drop shane but KO'ed Mayorga only after Ricardo got ruined by Tito...So Oscar got to display his power on Mayorga only after tito cleaned up vargas and Mayorga...
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Originally Posted by Hairdoo
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Originally Posted by gbrandon
For some reason the Oscar fans on this site think that a De La Hoya Vs PBF fight will be similiar to the Mayorga fight and that PBF is going to stand there and trade with Oscar!!!!!!! Wrong. PBF will not be there to hit like Mayorga, and instead of looking for one big blow he will pelt Oscar with shot after shot all night long. If you want an example watch the Whitaker Vs De La Hoya fight where Oscar could not find Pernell all night long. Picture that but with alot more offense from his opponent. Another thing is that Oscar's greatest victories came against Mayorga and Vargas, two fighters that were beaten half to death against Trinidad and both showed signs of slowing down before they lost to Oscar. Now this great punching power I hear about Oscar did not work against
Trinidad- who he hit with his best shot's and could not finish nor wobble
Mosley 1 and 2- Mosley was never in trouble of being knocked out and almost knocked Oscar out in the 9th round of the second fight.
Hopkins- Could not even come close to hurting
Sturm- Never Hurt
Whitaker- Never could hit him
Quartey- Had him in trouble in the 12th and hit him with his best shots wide open and could not finish him (judges robbed quartey)
These are the fighters that he faced at their peak's and never showed signs of slowing down yet his punching power was not a factor, so what's this myth about his punching power. Floyd would have beaten Oscar in his prime yet alone now.
excellent post but...
i don't think PBF would of beaten Mosely at 147 six years ago and probably wouldn't today. Mosely jumped straight from lightweight to welter carrying his timing, speed, power and combinations into the 1st Oscar fight at 147. It was a very close fight and I don't believe Floyd would of faired any better than Oscar infact I think he would of done worse. You really think lil'Floyd would of actually done better in any of those fights?
Floyd v Trinidad (undeafeted 1999 version) 147lb
Floyd v Mosely (undefeated 2000 version) 147lb
Floyd v Hopkins (undisputed MW Champ) 160lb
Floyd v Sturm (undefeated MW Champ) 160lb
Floyd v Whitaker (40-1 WBC Champ) 147lb
Floyd v Quartley (34-0 WBA Champ) 147lb
Floyd has only fought 2 fights at 147lb against 2 very good 140lb boxers that have both previously been destroyed in the ring physically and mentally in a lower division! PBF has shown me nothing at 147lb to convince me he could win any of the above fights when Oscar fought them. I suppose you think Floyd could of destroyed Mayorga at 154lb like Oscar did too?
I' am 100% sure Oscar could beat PBF at 147 but I got a gut feeling he will lose the decision and you watch the controversy after the fight.
PBF, other than moving up too fast, would have beaten the S*** out of all them except mosely...tito got outboxed by delahoya and oscar can't box like PBF...and of those seven fights oscar lost 4...the other three where extremely controversial victories...
point is oscar has never beaten a prime A-rated fighter and it won't happen against PBF unless the planets line up, pigs fly, snow in june in miami, or some miraculous anotonio tarver eyes closed lucky punch lands on pbf...other than that he will be beaten and quite easily at that....
:rofmaoal:
fact is every A-rated fighter Oscar has shared the ring with has never out boxed him. He held his own against everyone of them. What A-list fighters has Floyd hung with? Zab Judah... or maybe Luis Castillo at 135lb...
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Originally Posted by luvfightgame
First off there is no such thing as a lucky punch in boxing. They are trying to punch each other, so it wouldn't be luck.
Second, I don't know if Forrest of ODH hits harder, but both hit harder than PBF.
Third, I said Mosley has a great chin, I didn't say PBF doesn't. To be honest I don't know about PBF, but he looked a little shook by Judah, and ODH hits harder than Judah.
Fourth PBF will not be able to spend the whole fight without getting hit. If he throws punches he will take some as well. I am not a ODH fan, I just know when a fighter is over matched. PBF isn't big enough for this weight class and when he fights a complete fighter he will lose. As much as I have disliked ODH he is a complete fighter.
well said.
If by held his own you mean he lost? Then yeah he really held his own....And PBF doesn't hold his own against A-rated fighters he beats them, because he's A++...
And if Castillo is A-RATED then certainly Chico is A-rated and so is hernadez and chavez and floyd beat them all.....and if you want to come back say that only Castillo is the only a-rated fighter then floyd still beat him twice and those are 2 victories over A-rated competition whereas Oscar has ZERO wins over A-rated competition....OSCAR HAS NEVER BEATEN PRIME A-RATED COMPETITION...NEVER...and to think that all of a sudden he will beat an A++ fighter in floyd is just silly...he has about as much of a chance of beating PBF as Mayorga did of beating him which is to hope to land a hard shot and wish that PBF can't take it....other than that OSCAR will be beaten soundedly...
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We shall soon see if Floyd Sr. is correct. This fight has been set for September 16 of this year. Can't wait.
