What do you think? 4 years of that stuff any good? or better of with boxing? or bjj, or muay thai?
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What do you think? 4 years of that stuff any good? or better of with boxing? or bjj, or muay thai?
TKD is useless. I'm not even an expert and know that. Take anything but. Those pretty kicks will get you nowhere.
Strongly consider Judo, which I've become a huge fan of recently. It has just as much of a ground game as BJJ, but this fact is very little-known. The only thing is that there are no leg-locks in judo competition, but they do practice them, along with chokes and arm submissions. Plus it has throws, which are great pseudo-takedowns for submissions and ground and pound.
Regardless of what anyone thinks, its not so much the art you learn, as the teacher that you learn it from. Any martial art can be deadly effective, as long as you have a teacher who knows what he's doing, and teaches it the way it was meant to be taught. The reason TKD has such a bad rep is that most dojos these days are run by people who really have no idea what they are doing, and are trying to make a quick buck by running people up the belt ladder as quickly as possible. A competent TKD teacher will make you a compentent TKD artist. No matter how awesome BJJ or Judo may be, a crappy teacher will create a crappy student, and no matter how crappy the art, an excellent teacher will make an excellent student.
All that being said, if you want to take TKD, go for it, just make sure you do youre research on the school, and more importantly, the teacher. Other less "mainstream" martial arts, such as Judo, tend to have higher quality teachers in general, making it easier to find a good school, but theres no reason you cant find a good one somewhere nearby.
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Originally Posted by Von Milash
Sorry, mate, but you are talking bollocks. Everyone knows that high kicks are not to be used in a real-life situation, but practising them makes your low kicks faster and more powerful.
Like any martial arts, TKD is as good as the teacher and the student are are, no better.
Then why not take muay thai? Kicks that are practical. Who gives a shit if you can spin around. When's the last time CroCop did that? Hell, you're better off kicking a soccer ball for a work out. It's free.
Muay Thai is good, very practical. But there are not many genuine Muay Thai gyms outside Thailand.
The lack of a standard 'MT' system/grade/belt/etc means that there is likely to be a lot of variance in quality among the different schools around the world. Some of the more 'standardised' (if I can use the expression) styles, like some Karates, have become more aligned in terms of quality.
The fact that Muay Thai is good does not have much relevance to your statement that TKD is shit though !!!!
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If you want to take it for self defense or to compete.........STAY THE HELL AWAY FROM IT!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoSFk...h=mma%20fights
(Yawn.)
A TKD guy got beaten up by someone who has a different style. That therefore automatically makes the entire style inferior to the MMA.
Good job life is not a series of axioms.
yeah i think that's a good point. i used to spar with a tkd kid and he explaned it to me that a lot of the techniques in tkd are long range to keep people at a distance. since he understood that he used it to avoid a clinch because he aparently had an instructor who taught him the appropriate strategy. that was also his argument for tkd as a self defense. hahaha he said they learned to use tkd's long range stuff to create seperation and then....... run! lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heavy D
but like missy said the "street effective" debate is kinda weak no matter where you're comming from. and from competition, i guess it's ineffective because you don't see it in mma events. but then again, mma doesn't mean mma anymore. it means that kickboxer/grappler style. which i'm not knocking because that's what i practice.
contrary to popular belief though, he didn't spin that much. and i only saw him jump if he was messing around.
i do know what people are talking about though when they say it has weaknesses, but heavy d made a good point about the instructor
Sorry Dude!!!! But if there are a choice of a few different arts I could take for SELF DEFENSE OR COMPETITION thats not the one!!!!!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by X
Maybe you should read 1st before you post....If you want to take it for forms or excercise or you want to do it for the acrobatic kicks I SAY GO FOR IT!!!!!!!!!!
But for self defense purposes I wouldn't especially coming from a JEET KUNE DO backround and MMA I spar with all kinds and Like someone posted its good at long range but not at any other......
The video was more a joke than anything and it was handy so lighten up socrities!!!!
Ha - good comeback with the Socrates stuff !!
I am not having a go at you, I am just disagreeing. I am not a TKD expert (but have done it for about 7 years) I have seen some people though who have used it extremely effectively in self defence and also mixed competition.
My point was, and I can't have made it clearly, that I don't think that one style is necessarily 'better' than another. That is a bit typical of our society where we want a 'crutch' or 'shortcut' to be able to beat people up more effectively.
Hard work and dedication, along with some natural talent, will make any style effective ...... even TKD !!!
when..you talk like this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
don't expect!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
anyone!!!!!!!!
to take you seriously!!!!!!!!
especially when saying you train in mma!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I couldn't stop laughing after that video...That guy looked like he was going to cry...If you want to see some more silly TKD stuff go find a video of their national or olympic stuff. Its the dumbest looking combat competition I've ever seen.
it more of a "Forms" martial art....all show and no go....what do want to do?...TKD is not designed for real fighting...it's more for tournaments.....if you want to get in awesome shape...boxing is the way...wanna be crazy go for Muay thai and deaden your nerves.....no feeling..lots of years and pain....BJJ is pretty cool...but I just watched the Matt Hughes /Gracie fight...not gonna go there.....Quote:
Originally Posted by neverscared
i want to stray so please check out the my new thread. i'll call it ground and poundQuote:
Originally Posted by bigragu
Actually, I took him very seriously!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by raleights
But seriously, TKD for self D? Come on. Who's ever got 15 feet to get a running start for an acrobatic kick in a crowded bar? If you had 15feet to begin with, chances are you wouldn't have pissed each other off in the first place!!!!!!!! lol. ;)
Why was that skinny punk in there with a guy who had easily 40pounds on him?
Nuh uh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TKD is great my son does it. But when he's old enough he'll train in judo with me so he can gain some real world useful skills ;D
Anyway here's my bit on self defence that i posted in another thread
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Can't believe no-one has mentioned Judo. Its pressure tested (competition), is adaptable and is widely known and recognised as the best support system in a fight should the fight get close in. Its what a lot of doorman train in. Geoff Thompson Renowned self protection expert and ex doorman) says judo is the best kept secret in martial arts. I used to know a couple of dan grades that worked the door and they literally OWNED every confrontation they found themselves in. Wing Chun is the biggest pile of shyte going (sorry all you wingchunners) I sparred full contact with a Wing Chun red sash and had him submitting 2 times in a couple of mins from two chokes. The 3rd time i threw him on the deck with a bastardised osotogari (grabbing the trachea and powering through) and funnily enough he didn't fancy anymore. Plus their strikes carry zero power (they punch fresh air in training) and under stressful conditions they recall sod all of their fancy straight line punches. (well thats my opinion anyway)
Self defence is so much more than learning to strike. Its all about awareness, situational control, body language, posturing.
I train in Judo and Urban Combatives which is just that. Urban combat. We train to strike pre emptively and cover all bases of combat. Judo is my support sustem.
My advice? Train 3 or 4 pre emptive strikes and drill them until they are second nature. Learn to hit fukcing hard and hit first. When you are faced with a real situation and adrenaline is a factor all your learned fancy training and targetting will go out the window. You will rely on a few gross motor strikes. Judo is the best support system because it is pressure tested in competition. Forget BJJ...if you go to the ground in a bar you are IN THE S*** and someone (anyone...not even someone involved in the altercation) will feel the need to play football with your head.
Look up F.A.S.T training. Fear and Adrenal Stress Training. A lot of martial artsist have had a bit of a shock when attending on of these course. Sudeenly their Karate 'death punches' don't do S*** under the infuelnce of adrenaline.
In summary train strikes (3 or 4)...my suggestion. Elbow,Hammerfist,tiger claw palm strike (you don't want to hit a skull with bare knuckles..learning open hand strikes will allow you to employ continuous attack rather than F****** your hand with the first punch) and chinjab.Traing them hard with full agression and if possible get your training partner to simualte adrenaline by calling you all sorts of names,getting in your face, spitting at you. Then train them pre-empotively hitting the pad with 110% agression and with all the force you can muster. We are looking for a one punch knockout here if that doesn't happen you wan't contiunous attack until the threat has gone.
Choose Judo as your support system should the fight get in close. It teaches you weight displacement and body mechanics. Enabling you to get back into a position to win the fight from a standup. Also you can slam the c*nt into the deck. Ever been thrown on concrete from a judoka? You aint getting up.
Minsdet also plays a huge part in self defence. Train agression 110% when you train. You need to be able to flick a swtich in your head and be at 110% agression and fight until there is f*ck all left to fight about.
Self defece/urban combat regardless of art is 80% aggression 20% technique. Ever seen squaddies fight? They are some of the most ferocious fighters i have ever seen yet they hardly have any formal training. Yet their mindset is second to none for out and out aggression.
Thats my two penneth anyway.
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JUDO CHOP!
I buy that, a judo hip toss onto concrete would be horribly painful and more than likely fight ending. The little judo training I've had is very useful, makes total sense, and worked perfectly on people who were much bigger than me. One thing that has to be taken into consideration though, what physical gifts do you have? None of this is said in bragging but I personally have alot of natural speed, power, and coordination in my hands/feet, so everything I do is gonna revolve around that. And maybe this is just because I have limited training in Judo but to get in close, it seems like you take a chance on getting clawed, bitten, hell even someone attempting to grab ahold of your groin area which would probably be the end of you if they get the right grip. I'm not down with facial scars :). But say theres 3 people surrounding you, and they're bigger, very tough, and like to throw down. Once again this may be because of limited training in Judo but it would seem like all that stuff goes out the window when 3 people coming at you from all angles throwing strikes and trying to wrestle you to the ground. In a situation like that what makes sense to me is to create distance, actually start running away and seperate all the attackers from each other. Turn around then strike, create more distance and strike again. Of course you better be one for cardio excercises if you plan on using this tactic, but still just assuming the worst Judo doesn't seem like the best bet. Maybe 1 on 1 but unfortunately alot of real situations aren't fair.
Dude thats the funniest thing I have read all Week Cool Click to youQuote:
Originally Posted by Von Milash
Munky I asked you this before, but do you know of any good Judo instructional books that are with out the GI
Im guessing capoeira sucks for fighting too then?
Also Shaolin...
In TKD, they don't even let you punch to the face, only kick. That's retarded, because in a real life situation, you're going to be hit in the face, and if they're not treaching you to block to fhe face, it does you NO good whatsoever. TKD is mainly about fancy stuff, that's it. ::**Quote:
Originally Posted by neverscared
Where do you get this info from?Quote:
Originally Posted by Vodka
I think you are talking about WTF Taekwondo, which is only an olympic sport. ITF style allows blows to the head and face.
Do you take Judo at the moment. If you don't any sort of instructional book highlighting adapting judo throws without a gi would be absolutely useless if you havent even learnt the throws with the gi in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by VanChilds
If you do take judo then the answer is i don't know of any to be honest. Best bet is it ask your instructor if they will train an extra session with no gi. if not find a different club and ask if they train gi only.
What do you want to train no gi for? Is it self defence or strictly MMA? If its self defence then gi throws can be adapted easily. Most people have some for of clothing on for you to grab. Not only this the chokes can be aplied nicely with someone wearing just a T shirt or a light shirt/jacket. Katah ha jimme is a killer.
Mate if you are facing 3 people then run like F***! Don't stand and bang it out with them unless there is no other option. DON'T go to ground or you will have pieces kicked off you. Best bet is to flank so you always keep them in line with eachother. IE they don't get the opportunity to surround you. If one is talking to you and his friend movs to your right then flank the person talking to his right hence putting the two of them in a straight line. Then don't think act. Hit the first one pre-emptively and then you are in a much better position to deal with the other. make sure your first hit is a devastating shot that carries KO power.Quote:
Originally Posted by raleights
Judo is a backup system for me when in close. My primary tools are striking with open hands to the head. Best form of defence is attack. Hit first and keep hitting til there is f*ck all to hit. When facing multiples and in the S*** just hit anything and everything that moves. Bites, gouge, rip. Be very very nasty ;D
Wonder if it has the old classic taught in many sh*t self defence classes. The old "twist arm bhind the back and then push to the floor"
What a crock ;D
actually I've just remembered a great gi-less set of books http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/096...lance&n=283155
Bas is a fukcing legend and a natrually funny guy. Have you seen his street combat instructional video? Damn its funny
well the arm up the back is used in schools both in the playground and by the staff & the police, so it does work to some degree but not with a push to the floor I prefer a stomp to the back of their knee ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Munky
not seen it yet, it's on a long list of things to buy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Munky
I would quite happily let myself be a target for your practice. I'm betting any money you could not get my arm up behind my back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Missy
The police use it on semi compliant people (ie people who are just gobbing off but only offer 'face saving' resistance) or when they have numbers. Yes its used in the playground by 12 year olds ::**
Try it on a 14 stone bloke in the boozer who wants to disconnect your head from your body.
I see your point though ;)
well yes of course, wouldn't touch it if they're a wriggler or on some monster :)
Missy the DVD's are a fiver off ebay. Get one it will be the best fiver you spent. Not for the content particularly but more for his delivery and humour. Fukcing classQuote:
Originally Posted by Missy
many of the great hilarious scenes are free from sites like myspace and youtube
"don't do that, don't do that..."
Classic!