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So Cotto is a banger.
Can he handle Hatton, Mayweather, Castillo? He has the power no doubt he has send the last two opponents to the hospital, but I still question if he has the skill or chin to compete with these guys.
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Can he handle Hatton, Mayweather, Castillo? He has the power no doubt he has send the last two opponents to the hospital, but I still question if he has the skill or chin to compete with these guys.
I think he might beat Hatton to death....Mayweather dances and pounds him for 8-9 rds then stops Cotto.....Castillo gets KTFO inside of 5 rds.....
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he is a banger...but iwould like to see him fight torres again considering that torres took the fight on short notice and wasn't in shape...and dropped cotto...every since then they've been putting him in with feater punchers...
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he is a banger...but iwould like to see him fight torres again considering that torres took the fight on short notice and wasn't in shape...and dropped cotto...every since then they've been putting him in with feater punchers...
maybe you're on to something there....Is Cotto's chin that suspect?....if so take away the Hatton remark I said earlier.....
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he is a banger...but iwould like to see him fight torres again considering that torres took the fight on short notice and wasn't in shape...and dropped cotto...every since then they've been putting him in with feater punchers...
maybe you're on to something there....Is Cotto's chin that suspect?....if so take away the Hatton remark I said earlier.....
I think it might be..he did recover in that fight..but I believe had Torres been in shape he would have finished cotto, because he hurt him badly it was not a flash cotto was also wobbled on a few occasions..and torres took the fight on nine days or something like that...
yeah since then he's been in with really light punchers...
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Id like to hear Ricky HAtton calling out Cottos name, real loud,
Non stop from now until it happens.
Deep inside he wont feel the total pinnacle of achievment until it does happen.
Just on balls power and heart its HAtton /Cotto for me as the choise fight and test at this point ,rather than Mayweather and whoever.
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Id like to hear Ricky HAtton calling out Cottos name, real loud,
Non stop from now until it happens.
Deep inside he wont feel the total pinnacle of achievment until it does happen.
Just on balls power and heart its HAtton /Cotto for me as the choise fight and test at this point ,rather than Mayweather and whoever.
Hatton should get Cotto now!! right now, i think Cotto struggles on the back foot and goes missing in rounds as we saw against the feather fisted Mallaganni who actully imposed himself quite well in close the difference was basically Cotto has more to his shots than Malli, i feel Hatton goes into this favourite wihout doubt after seeing these two guys in action, Hatton should get the fight on asap.
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Cotto will bang Hatton up? no chance Hatton would put in a supreme effort and stop him Cotto is too sqaure on cant hold a decent punch and only good for certain number of rounds !!
Cotto is not a counter puncher he needs to dig his feet in and if Tszyu couldnt get Hitman out of there what chance does Cotto have ?
People will say Ricky is to square id aggree but Ricky sets a frightening pace can take punishment and loves being met in the trenches.
Cotto's been found out well before true world level Ricky has been in with a far better quality of man and stormed through the breech Cotto looks fresh out of ideas after 5 rounds Ricky decoded a true master and beat him every department Cotto gets rocked by the likes of Corley and almost stopped against Torres .
Hatton would take the fight in a heartbeat .
Cotto is strong pressure fighter but not a banger .
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Cotto will bang Hatton up? no chance Hatton would put in a supreme effort and stop him Cotto is too sqaure on cant hold a decent punch and only good for certain number of rounds !!
Cotto is not a counter puncher he needs to dig his feet in and if Tszyu couldnt get Hitman out of there what chance does Cotto have ?
People will say Ricky is to square id aggree but Ricky sets a frightening pace can take punishment and loves being met in the trenches.
Cotto's been found out well before true world level Ricky has been in with a far better quality of man and stormed through the breech Cotto looks fresh out of ideas after 5 rounds Ricky decoded a true master and beat him every department Cotto gets rocked by the likes of Corley and almost stopped against Torres .
Hatton would take the fight in a heartbeat .
Cotto is strong pressure fighter but not a banger .
Good few points. cc
Im sorry but if he was such a banger Malli out of there, true he will without doubt have Hatton marked up and maybe badly but i am so certain after seeing Cotto in his last 3/4 fights, he aint world class far from it, look at Torres that guy came in at about 3/4 weeks notice and if he had been fitter probably would of taken Cotto out, Malli was all heart but Cotto could not keep up the pace against a guy who was basically picking his shots, maybe it was the weight issue, but for me Hatton taks Cotto, if Cotto cant take Malli out how the hell is he taking Hatotn out???
I really hope Hatton and his team press for this fight straight away, but i dont think Cotto's team would want any of it to be honest.
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Originally Posted by Swashbuckling Gordy
Cotto will bang Hatton up? no chance Hatton would put in a supreme effort and stop him Cotto is too sqaure on cant hold a decent punch and only good for certain number of rounds !!
Cotto is not a counter puncher he needs to dig his feet in and if Tszyu couldnt get Hitman out of there what chance does Cotto have ?
People will say Ricky is to square id aggree but Ricky sets a frightening pace can take punishment and loves being met in the trenches.
Cotto's been found out well before true world level Ricky has been in with a far better quality of man and stormed through the breech Cotto looks fresh out of ideas after 5 rounds Ricky decoded a true master and beat him every department Cotto gets rocked by the likes of Corley and almost stopped against Torres .
Hatton would take the fight in a heartbeat .
Cotto is strong pressure fighter but not a banger .
Good few points. cc
Im sorry but if he was such a banger Malli out of there, true he will without doubt have Hatton marked up and maybe badly but i am so certain after seeing Cotto in his last 3/4 fights, he aint world class far from it, look at Torres that guy came in at about 3/4 weeks notice and if he had been fitter probably would of taken Cotto out, Malli was all heart but Cotto could not keep up the pace against a guy who was basically picking his shots, maybe it was the weight issue, but for me Hatton taks Cotto, if Cotto cant take Malli out how the hell is he taking Hatotn out???
I really hope Hatton and his team press for this fight straight away, but i dont think Cotto's team would want any of it to be honest.
Look,I tried to stay away from this thread,I really did but I can't let my boy get dissed and not retaliate,what kind of fan would I be. Cotto has now shown he can fight front foot,back foot,with power punching bangers,with boxers,he is on his way up.It's funny,this is probably the only site where people are having such a big debate over the fight and surprise surprise,most of the people saying the negative stuff are Hatton fans.Bring Hatton @ 147,I'm certain Cotto would bust him up,Hatton's face ouwld be a crimson mask. Skel brother,to question Miguel's power is silly,look at his record,and you are forgeting that PAULIE has an incredible heart,but Cotto still practically broke his face!!That is power and remember Miguel hurt his hand after round 5 yet STILL did damage.
You could say the same with Collazo,a guy who fighting people with 1-1 records a year ago,pitter patter shots,stood on front of Hatton and Ricky not only did not win convincingly but many thought deserved to lose and not only that,he's not even giving a rematch!! What does that tell you?"?
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cheers.
Its all about levels both mental and physical and Cotto has his flaws exposed before taking on anyone of serious note.
Ricky needs to take a leaf out of MAB book and start stealing rounds with his massively underated footwork and great jab, get off this macho bullplop .
Urkal would be the perfect fight for him to immpress.
I know Hatton can be a big player on the world scene for far longer than anyone gives him credit for but not the way he's fighting he needs a plan B but i know he knows this and the Boston fight .
I think Rick is a class above Cotto in every department.
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Originally Posted by Swashbuckling Gordy
Cotto will bang Hatton up? no chance Hatton would put in a supreme effort and stop him Cotto is too sqaure on cant hold a decent punch and only good for certain number of rounds !!
Cotto is not a counter puncher he needs to dig his feet in and if Tszyu couldnt get Hitman out of there what chance does Cotto have ?
People will say Ricky is to square id aggree but Ricky sets a frightening pace can take punishment and loves being met in the trenches.
Cotto's been found out well before true world level Ricky has been in with a far better quality of man and stormed through the breech Cotto looks fresh out of ideas after 5 rounds Ricky decoded a true master and beat him every department Cotto gets rocked by the likes of Corley and almost stopped against Torres .
Hatton would take the fight in a heartbeat .
Cotto is strong pressure fighter but not a banger .
Good few points. cc
Im sorry but if he was such a banger Malli out of there, true he will without doubt have Hatton marked up and maybe badly but i am so certain after seeing Cotto in his last 3/4 fights, he aint world class far from it, look at Torres that guy came in at about 3/4 weeks notice and if he had been fitter probably would of taken Cotto out, Malli was all heart but Cotto could not keep up the pace against a guy who was basically picking his shots, maybe it was the weight issue, but for me Hatton taks Cotto, if Cotto cant take Malli out how the hell is he taking Hatotn out???
I really hope Hatton and his team press for this fight straight away, but i dont think Cotto's team would want any of it to be honest.
Look,I tried to stay away from this thread,I really did but I can't let my boy get dissed and not retaliate,what kind of fan would I be. Cotto has now shown he can fight front foot,back foot,with power punching bangers,with boxers,he is on his way up.It's funny,this is probably the only site where people are having such a big debate over the fight and surprise surprise,most of the people saying the negative stuff are Hatton fans.Bring Hatton @ 147,I'm certain Cotto would bust him up,Hatton's face ouwld be a crimson mask. Skel brother,to question Miguel's power is silly,look at his record,and you are forgeting that PAULIE has an incredible heart,but Cotto still practically broke his face!!That is power and remember Miguel hurt his hand after round 5 yet STILL did damage.
You could say the same with Collazo,a guy who fighting people with 1-1 records a year ago,pitter patter shots,stood on front of Hatton and Ricky not only did not win convincingly but many thought deserved to lose and not only that,he's not even giving a rematch!! What does that tell you?"?
I can see what your saying The Game, but i wasnt over impressed and i like Cotto, i like his style of fighting thats what sort of fighters i love to watch, who bring it everytime, but i just wasnt that impressed, i had him winning by 2 rounds, obviosly you know im a big Hatton fan so there is maybe a tab of bias on my part but i am very very confident he would beat Cotto, much more than if he fought PBF or Margorito.
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Originally Posted by Swashbuckling Gordy
Cotto will bang Hatton up? no chance Hatton would put in a supreme effort and stop him Cotto is too sqaure on cant hold a decent punch and only good for certain number of rounds !!
Cotto is not a counter puncher he needs to dig his feet in and if Tszyu couldnt get Hitman out of there what chance does Cotto have ?
People will say Ricky is to square id aggree but Ricky sets a frightening pace can take punishment and loves being met in the trenches.
Cotto's been found out well before true world level Ricky has been in with a far better quality of man and stormed through the breech Cotto looks fresh out of ideas after 5 rounds Ricky decoded a true master and beat him every department Cotto gets rocked by the likes of Corley and almost stopped against Torres .
Hatton would take the fight in a heartbeat .
Cotto is strong pressure fighter but not a banger .
Good few points. cc
Im sorry but if he was such a banger Malli out of there, true he will without doubt have Hatton marked up and maybe badly but i am so certain after seeing Cotto in his last 3/4 fights, he aint world class far from it, look at Torres that guy came in at about 3/4 weeks notice and if he had been fitter probably would of taken Cotto out, Malli was all heart but Cotto could not keep up the pace against a guy who was basically picking his shots, maybe it was the weight issue, but for me Hatton taks Cotto, if Cotto cant take Malli out how the hell is he taking Hatotn out???
I really hope Hatton and his team press for this fight straight away, but i dont think Cotto's team would want any of it to be honest.
Look,I tried to stay away from this thread,I really did but I can't let my boy get dissed and not retaliate,what kind of fan would I be. Cotto has now shown he can fight front foot,back foot,with power punching bangers,with boxers,he is on his way up.It's funny,this is probably the only site where people are having such a big debate over the fight and surprise surprise,most of the people saying the negative stuff are Hatton fans.Bring Hatton @ 147,I'm certain Cotto would bust him up,Hatton's face ouwld be a crimson mask. Skel brother,to question Miguel's power is silly,look at his record,and you are forgeting that PAULIE has an incredible heart,but Cotto still practically broke his face!!That is power and remember Miguel hurt his hand after round 5 yet STILL did damage.
You could say the same with Collazo,a guy who fighting people with 1-1 records a year ago,pitter patter shots,stood on front of Hatton and Ricky not only did not win convincingly but many thought deserved to lose and not only that,he's not even giving a rematch!! What does that tell you?"?
Are you joking ?
Seriously against Paulie Jab and grab he looked utterly desperate at times.
Backfoot and Frontfoot ? Throwing single shots at a time getting tagged by a guy who did the same thing time and again and was well below world class .
Style over susbstance baby and as i have said its all about levels i'm a Hatton true but Ricky fought the master took everything and found the answers fact .
Are you honestly telling me Cotto has fought anyone on Kostya's level ?
Corely had him going and Torres had him not once but twice he needed 8 rounds to break up Branco 9 for Abudellev had it all his own way and never put the foot down or looked impressive all of these unproven at world class or well below it.
Ricky's last 4 fights Collazo he won moving up took alot but was never floored against a man who had dethroned a good champion in Riveria. Maussa dangerous fighter Ricky cut early but always on top made a number of mistakes calmed down adjusted and knocked his man out. Oliveria Ricky did what a previous number of champions couldnt come anywhere near to and ended his career.
and KT .
Need i say more ...?
Levels Levels Levels .
I'm not hating on Miguel i like him but i just dont think he is on a par with Ricky .
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You could say the same with Collazo,a guy who fighting people with 1-1 records a year ago,pitter patter shots,stood on front of Hatton and Ricky not only did not win convincingly but many thought deserved to lose and not only that,he's not even giving a rematch!! What does that tell you?"?
It tells me that Don King didn't build a rematch clause into the contract so his fighter got better paid
It tells me boxing is a business and Collazo has nothing to offer Hatton. Zilch. A Collazo rematch means Urkal has to step aside again and WBA and HBO have to sanction it (it'll never happen!)
As for Cotto-Hatton, I reckon watch this space for a big announcement
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At 140,I would agree(as much as I hate to admit it!)Hatton would beat on Cotto but at 147,I favour Cotto,I didn't see anything from Hatton at all in the Collazo fight which would suggest he can be a big player there.
I'll be honest,I'll be the first to diss Cotto if he did badly but he didn't,he worked the body,used the jab and landed good combos,powerful shots,and just banged Paulie.Paulie survived...JUST!People are confusing surviving and heart for other things!
Hahaha,as for Hatton Margarito,remember that thread once which said"Hatton v Margarito" and we were arguing over who would win,well,I'd bet my house that Margarito would KO Hatton,I mean seriously walk through him and at 147,I think PBF would win too. Ricky had time to prepare for Collazo,Collazo didn't box and still Ricky did not look impressive.
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Originally Posted by The Game
You could say the same with Collazo,a guy who fighting people with 1-1 records a year ago,pitter patter shots,stood on front of Hatton and Ricky not only did not win convincingly but many thought deserved to lose and not only that,he's not even giving a rematch!! What does that tell you?"?
It tells me that Don King didn't build a rematch clause into the contract so his fighter got better paid
It tells me boxing is a business and Collazo has nothing to offer Hatton. Zilch. A Collazo rematch means Urkal has to step aside again and WBA and HBO have to sanction it (it'll never happen!)
As for Cotto-Hatton, I reckon watch this space for a big announcement
It does offer him something,the chance to answer critics and prove he belongs at 147,like I said,he was fighting a guy who has pitter patter shots,didn't box,and still could not hurt him or anything.Collazo had him out on his feet.What does fighting Urkal prove? What happened to wanting to cement his legacy???
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I was worried before Rickys last fight i knew it was a hard fight nobody seemed to be bigging up Luis and he delivered he didnt win but he can and will come again.
He'd beat Magarito .
Well thats what i think Magarito is so overated its not funny anyone who dont stand in front of him gives him a whupping after seeing Daniel Santos lead him a merry dance with a southpaw jab id give Luis at least 50 50 .
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At 140,I would agree(as much as I hate to admit it!)Hatton would beat on Cotto but at 147,I favour Cotto,I didn't see anything from Hatton at all in the Collazo fight which would suggest he can be a big player there.
I'll be honest,I'll be the first to diss Cotto if he did badly but he didn't,he worked the body,used the jab and landed good combos,powerful shots,and just banged Paulie.Paulie survived...JUST!People are confusing surviving and heart for other things!
Hahaha,as for Hatton Margarito,remember that thread once which said"Hatton v Margarito" and we were arguing over who would win,well,I'd bet my house that Margarito would KO Hatton,I mean seriously walk through him and at 147,I think PBF would win too. Ricky had time to prepare for Collazo,Collazo didn't box and still Ricky did not look impressive.
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Originally Posted by The Game
You could say the same with Collazo,a guy who fighting people with 1-1 records a year ago,pitter patter shots,stood on front of Hatton and Ricky not only did not win convincingly but many thought deserved to lose and not only that,he's not even giving a rematch!! What does that tell you?"?
It tells me that Don King didn't build a rematch clause into the contract so his fighter got better paid
It tells me boxing is a business and Collazo has nothing to offer Hatton. Zilch. A Collazo rematch means Urkal has to step aside again and WBA and HBO have to sanction it (it'll never happen!)
As for Cotto-Hatton, I reckon watch this space for a big announcement
It does offer him something,the chance to answer critics and prove he belongs at 147,like I said,he was fighting a guy who has pitter patter shots,didn't box,and still could not hurt him or anything.Collazo had him out on his feet.What does fighting Urkal prove? What happened to wanting to cement his legacy???
Actully The Game Hatton had just over 6 weeks to fight at Welterweight after originally thinking he was fighting at 140 when he started camp, im not making excuses for his perfromance at 147, but it wasnt exactly ideal preperation.
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Cotto will bang Hatton up? no chance Hatton would put in a supreme effort and stop him Cotto is too sqaure on cant hold a decent punch and only good for certain number of rounds !!
Cotto is not a counter puncher he needs to dig his feet in and if Tszyu couldnt get Hitman out of there what chance does Cotto have ?
People will say Ricky is to square id aggree but Ricky sets a frightening pace can take punishment and loves being met in the trenches.
Cotto's been found out well before true world level Ricky has been in with a far better quality of man and stormed through the breech Cotto looks fresh out of ideas after 5 rounds Ricky decoded a true master and beat him every department Cotto gets rocked by the likes of Corley and almost stopped against Torres .
Hatton would take the fight in a heartbeat .
Cotto is strong pressure fighter but not a banger .
Good few points. cc
Im sorry but if he was such a banger Malli out of there, true he will without doubt have Hatton marked up and maybe badly but i am so certain after seeing Cotto in his last 3/4 fights, he aint world class far from it, look at Torres that guy came in at about 3/4 weeks notice and if he had been fitter probably would of taken Cotto out, Malli was all heart but Cotto could not keep up the pace against a guy who was basically picking his shots, maybe it was the weight issue, but for me Hatton taks Cotto, if Cotto cant take Malli out how the hell is he taking Hatotn out???
I really hope Hatton and his team press for this fight straight away, but i dont think Cotto's team would want any of it to be honest.
Look,I tried to stay away from this thread,I really did but I can't let my boy get dissed and not retaliate,what kind of fan would I be. Cotto has now shown he can fight front foot,back foot,with power punching bangers,with boxers,he is on his way up.It's funny,this is probably the only site where people are having such a big debate over the fight and surprise surprise,most of the people saying the negative stuff are Hatton fans.Bring Hatton @ 147,I'm certain Cotto would bust him up,Hatton's face ouwld be a crimson mask. Skel brother,to question Miguel's power is silly,look at his record,and you are forgeting that PAULIE has an incredible heart,but Cotto still practically broke his face!!That is power and remember Miguel hurt his hand after round 5 yet STILL did damage.
You could say the same with Collazo,a guy who fighting people with 1-1 records a year ago,pitter patter shots,stood on front of Hatton and Ricky not only did not win convincingly but many thought deserved to lose and not only that,he's not even giving a rematch!! What does that tell you?"?
Are you joking ?
Seriously against Paulie Jab and grab he looked utterly desperate at times.
Backfoot and Frontfoot ? Throwing single shots at a time getting tagged by a guy who did the same thing time and again and was well below world class .
Style over susbstance baby and as i have said its all about levels i'm a Hatton true but Ricky fought the master took everything and found the answers fact .
Are you honestly telling me Cotto has fought anyone on Kostya's level ?
Corely had him going and Torres had him not once but twice he needed 8 rounds to break up Branco 9 for Abudellev had it all his own way and never put the foot down or looked impressive all of these unproven at world class or well below it.
Ricky's last 4 fights Collazo he won moving up took alot but was never floored against a man who had dethroned a good champion in Riveria. Maussa dangerous fighter Ricky cut early but always on top made a number of mistakes calmed down adjusted and knocked his man out. Oliveria Ricky did what a previous number of champions couldnt come anywhere near to and ended his career.
and KT .
Need i say more ...?
Levels Levels Levels .
I'm not hating on Miguel i like him but i just dont think he is on a par with Ricky .
Palease brother,apart from KT,Miguel has fought the better opponents and let us not get into the whole dirty fighting,time zone difference etc about the Kostya fight. Miguel was throwing combos against Paulie so........and Torres knockdown was a push,he took 15 clean from a guy with 96% KO ratio,and still was not legitimately knocked down,wat does that say? Corley also shook PBF badly too,and the Cotto shot was on the temple sooooo......
Cotto beat Maussa quicker than Hatton.....and it does not matter how quickly you beat someone in my humble opinion,it does not show anything. Remind me again,Collazo had Hatton out on his feet but how many KO's does he have??
And not once did i bring who Cotto and Hatton have fought into this but like I said,you take out Tszyu,Hatton has fought....Cotto has fought game hungry fighters,no A star names yet but when he beats Castillo,that will change.
Jeeeez,people,I feel I have taken on every member at Saddo's i the last 2 days and I'm still here!! Great feeling! ;D Naw,you all (on this thread anyway)make your points well.
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At 140,I would agree(as much as I hate to admit it!)Hatton would beat on Cotto but at 147,I favour Cotto,I didn't see anything from Hatton at all in the Collazo fight which would suggest he can be a big player there.
And why should Cotto be a big player? Just because hes struggling with weight doesnt mean he's superman at WW. I love Cotto, and he will mark up Ricky bad, but Ricky will keep going and maybe knock Cotto out. If it goes to the cards, no doubt Ricky wins, Cotto's defense isnt amazing.
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Actully The Game Hatton had just over 6 weeks to fight at Welterweight after originally thinking he was fighting at 140 when he started camp, im not making excuses for his perfromance at 147, but it wasnt exactly ideal preperation.
Exactly
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Originally Posted by The Game
At 140,I would agree(as much as I hate to admit it!)Hatton would beat on Cotto but at 147,I favour Cotto,I didn't see anything from Hatton at all in the Collazo fight which would suggest he can be a big player there.
I'll be honest,I'll be the first to diss Cotto if he did badly but he didn't,he worked the body,used the jab and landed good combos,powerful shots,and just banged Paulie.Paulie survived...JUST!People are confusing surviving and heart for other things!
Hahaha,as for Hatton Margarito,remember that thread once which said"Hatton v Margarito" and we were arguing over who would win,well,I'd bet my house that Margarito would KO Hatton,I mean seriously walk through him and at 147,I think PBF would win too. Ricky had time to prepare for Collazo,Collazo didn't box and still Ricky did not look impressive.
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Originally Posted by The Game
You could say the same with Collazo,a guy who fighting people with 1-1 records a year ago,pitter patter shots,stood on front of Hatton and Ricky not only did not win convincingly but many thought deserved to lose and not only that,he's not even giving a rematch!! What does that tell you?"?
It tells me that Don King didn't build a rematch clause into the contract so his fighter got better paid
It tells me boxing is a business and Collazo has nothing to offer Hatton. Zilch. A Collazo rematch means Urkal has to step aside again and WBA and HBO have to sanction it (it'll never happen!)
As for Cotto-Hatton, I reckon watch this space for a big announcement
It does offer him something,the chance to answer critics and prove he belongs at 147,like I said,he was fighting a guy who has pitter patter shots,didn't box,and still could not hurt him or anything.Collazo had him out on his feet.What does fighting Urkal prove? What happened to wanting to cement his legacy???
The Gane Ricky has just over six weeks to prepare for a fight at 147 after origianally setting up camp to be fighting at 140, so it wasnt exactly the best training camp ever, not making excuses but considering it was his first fight at a new weight class, it wasnt ideal.
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I was worried before Rickys last fight i knew it was a hard fight nobody seemed to be bigging up Luis and he delivered he didnt win but he can and will come again.
He'd beat Magarito .
Well thats what i think Magarito is so overated its not funny anyone who dont stand in front of him gives him a whupping after seeing Daniel Santos lead him a merry dance with a southpaw jab id give Luis at least 50 50 .
To say Hatton would beat Margarito is a joke and even the biggest Ricky nuthugger will tell you that which is also why pre CollazoHatton mentioned Tony,after the Collazo fight,it's now Urkal and the like.Oh...me confused,do you mean Haton or Luis would beat Tony?
Anyhow,the Tony Santos fight has no relevance,it's a stylistic nightmare for Tony and still I had the fight as his by 1 point and a knockdown which was not scored.Santos weighed 170 plus pounds and everytime Marg tried to attack,he got headbutted(I counted at least 7) and even then Tony was coming on strong in that fight. Collazo's pitter patter shots would not hurt Tony,he would walk through him.
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Palease brother,apart from KT,Miguel has fought the better opponents and let us not get into the whole dirty fighting,time zone difference etc about the Kostya fight. Miguel was throwing combos against Paulie so........and Torres knockdown was a push,he took 15 clean from a guy with 96% KO ratio,and still was not legitimately knocked down,wat does that say? Corley also shook PBF badly too,and the Cotto shot was on the temple sooooo......
Mayweather is no way to back up the arguement, his chin is hardly granite.
:coolclick: to ya though bruv, you otherwise defend your fighter well and make good points at least, unlike the guys on this site who are just plain nuthuggers
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And not once did i bring who Cotto and Hatton have fought into this but like I said,you take out Tszyu,Hatton has fought....Cotto has fought game hungry fighters,no A star names yet but when he beats Castillo,that will change
Game hungry fighters is one way of putting it. But I believe Phillips, Tackie, Magee and Olivera cancel out Abdullaev, Branco, Torres on a few days notcie etc.
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I was worried before Rickys last fight i knew it was a hard fight nobody seemed to be bigging up Luis and he delivered he didnt win but he can and will come again.
He'd beat Magarito .
Well thats what i think Magarito is so overated its not funny anyone who dont stand in front of him gives him a whupping after seeing Daniel Santos lead him a merry dance with a southpaw jab id give Luis at least 50 50 .
To say Hatton would beat Margarito is a joke
Thats true, I love Hatton but Margarito is uber powerful for a WW, Hatton would really struggle and would need the fight of his life to win that one.
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I thought you had to watch a fight to know what was happening .
Are you saying Muhammed 1 loss and Gianluca 'Parttime extornionist and money lender ' Branco Corley 12 losses and Ricardo Torres are actually on a par with Maussa a world champion coming of his biggest win and with 7 weeks notice ( compared to Cotto fight 2 weeks ), Oliviera world rated neverstopped wins over then champions Collazo legit world champ and KT ...?
Different time zones ? Paulie jab and grab , beat Maussa quicker ........... what ?
Maussa was cut against Miguel come on take them blinkers orf .
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At 140,I would agree(as much as I hate to admit it!)Hatton would beat on Cotto but at 147,I favour Cotto,I didn't see anything from Hatton at all in the Collazo fight which would suggest he can be a big player there.
I'll be honest,I'll be the first to diss Cotto if he did badly but he didn't,he worked the body,used the jab and landed good combos,powerful shots,and just banged Paulie.Paulie survived...JUST!People are confusing surviving and heart for other things!
Hahaha,as for Hatton Margarito,remember that thread once which said"Hatton v Margarito" and we were arguing over who would win,well,I'd bet my house that Margarito would KO Hatton,I mean seriously walk through him and at 147,I think PBF would win too. Ricky had time to prepare for Collazo,Collazo didn't box and still Ricky did not look impressive.
Hatton was in court leading up to this fight, was supposed to fight Lazcano and ended up fighting Collazo at 6 weeks notice. How is that enough time to move up a weight against a World Champion in a different country/timezome??
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It does offer him something,the chance to answer critics and prove he belongs at 147 like I said,he was fighting a guy who has pitter patter shots,didn't box,and still could not hurt him or anything.Collazo had him out on his feet.What does fighting Urkal prove? What happened to wanting to cement his legacy???
Will you be saying he isn't cementing his legacy when he fights Cotto next?? Would he command a bit of respect then?? Ricky could move back down and take Cotto at LWelter but I bet my house he will take the fight with Cotto at Welter
As for the remtach with Collazo, I'll say it again, he has Don King to blame. Boxing is a business. Collazo got well paid AND It's not just up to Ricky Hatton. HBO/WBA et all won't sanction the fight. He has a rematch against Collazo and he has to relinquish the belt - future purses would be lower because he doesn't have any belts, no World title, he gave up two LWelter belts, you can't expoect him to give up this one aswell!!!! It will never happen. He has no critics to answer, there will always be naysayers but 41-0 (30) stands up there with anyone's record. If half of them were hand picked bums, the very same could be said of Cotto.
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I was worried before Rickys last fight i knew it was a hard fight nobody seemed to be bigging up Luis and he delivered he didnt win but he can and will come again.
He'd beat Magarito .
Well thats what i think Magarito is so overated its not funny anyone who dont stand in front of him gives him a whupping after seeing Daniel Santos lead him a merry dance with a southpaw jab id give Luis at least 50 50 .
To say Hatton would beat Margarito is a joke and even the biggest Ricky fan will tell you that which is also why pre CollazoHatton mentioned Tony,after the Collazo fight,it's now Urkal and the like.Oh...me confused,do you mean Haton or Luis would beat Tony?
Anyhow,the Tony Santos fight has no relevance,it's a stylistic nightmare for Tony and still I had the fight as his by 1 point and a knockdown which was not scored.Santos weighed 170 plus pounds and everytime Marg tried to attack,he got headbutted(I counted at least 7) and even then Tony was coming on strong in that fight. Collazo's pitter patter shots would not hurt Tony,he would walk through him.
Id give Collazo 50 50 Hatton should stay well away from Magarito for now -styles .
Hattons a lightwelter.
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I thought you had to watch a fight to know what was happening .
Are you saying Muhammed 1 loss and Gianluca 'Parttime extornionist and money lender ' Branco Corley 12 losses and Ricardo Torres are actually on a par with Maussa a world champion coming of his biggest win and with 7 weeks notice ( compared to Cotto fight 2 weeks ), Oliviera world rated neverstopped wins over then champions Collazo legit world champ and KT ...?
Different time zones ? Paulie jab and grab , beat Maussa quicker ........... what ?
Maussa was cut against Miguel come on take them blinkers orf .
I agree the fighters cancel each other out, but you cant say Miguel is much worse than Hatton, or even any worse. Everyone wants this fight to come off because it will be so exciting and matches up TWO world class fighters who are very close in terms of experience, acheivements and skill, and their styles make a great fight.
I still think Hatton will win though :P
P.S. The Game :coolclick: coming in 24 hours man, wont let me now
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AC,using PBF as an example was to show that Corley shook him but no-one said his chin was bad and I'd disagree with you,I think he has a very very good chin. I also totally disagree with you on the points about their resume,apart from Kostya Tszyu,Cotto has in my humble opinion fought by far and away the better opposition,you have guys who can bang(tOrres,Pinto),Amatuer specialists who beat him(Abdullaev),powerhouses(Ndou) and now boxers(Paulie) plus other game fighters like Demarcus etc,whereas apart from Collazo and Maussa(who Cotto also beat),the rest of the guys on Hatton's cv were old or no bodies.
Glad to see you agree with me about Margarito,he would crush anyone at 147 in my opinion.Hmmm,oh and as to your other point,Miguel will be a big player at 147 because he won't kill himself to make the weight ergo punch resistance shall not be compromised and he will feel more comfortable,hence better performances and as I am already impressed with him,it leads me to believe that he will be a mjor player.
Cool Click back brother,I am quite enjoying this! and to be honest,you make valid points too and like I said,at 140,I'd say Hatton wins.Yeah,I'm no nuthugger and I don't argue for arguments sake like some people on this site.
Thanks Skel,I didn't know Hatton only had 6 weeks to prepare but he still looked 1 dimensional to me and he still did not carry his power up.
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Yeah enjoying this too, I have to disagree with Mayweather though, he doesnt get hit so doesnt get wobbled, if he does get hit, and its a big puncher hes in trouble. Thats why I think Margarito has a great chance against him at WW. Margarito at WW is like Cotto at JW, a huge puncher shrinking himself down from the weight above where his power wouldnt be as overwhelming. (Cotto would still be powerful but the disparity wouldnt be as great when facing WW's)
The way Ricky won his fights before KT also has to come into play. Ray Olivera had never ever been stopped and hed been in many champoionship fights, Ricky stopped his ass. Vince Phillips was game, Magee was a good fighter before his accident, Ben Tackie was always known as a tough bastard above anything else. Abdullev shouldnt of been any trouble for Cotto, true he beat him in the amateurs but when I saw Abdullev fight in the pros, well he still looked like an amateur. And Paulie wasnt a boxer, he was just a speed merchant but I take the point.
One thing about if this fight came off at 147 man that Cotto would have to be careful of. Obviously its going to be less of a challenge getting under the weight, many fighters struggle in this situation as their training is therefore less intense. Cotto would have to be careful of this and should maybe take a warm up fight at WW to iron that problem out.
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Yeah,owe you in 24 too bro and Gordy,to diss Cotto's opponents would be doing likewise to Hatton ;D
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Yeah enjoying this too, I have to disagree with Mayweather though, he doesnt get hit so doesnt get wobbled, if he does get hit, and its a big puncher hes in trouble. Thats why I think Margarito has a great chance against him at WW. Margarito at WW is like Cotto at JW, a huge puncher shrinking himself down from the weight above where his power wouldnt be as overwhelming. (Cotto would still be powerful but the disparity wouldnt be as great when facing WW's)
The way Ricky won his fights before KT also has to come into play. Ray Olivera had never ever been stopped and hed been in many champoionship fights, Ricky stopped his ass. Vince Phillips was game, Magee was a good fighter before his accident, Ben Tackie was always known as a tough bastard above anything else. Abdullev shouldnt of been any trouble for Cotto, true he beat him in the amateurs but when I saw Abdullev fight in the pros, well he still looked like an amateur. And Paulie wasnt a boxer, he was just a speed merchant but I take the point.
One thing about if this fight came off at 147 man that Cotto would have to be careful of. Obviously its going to be less of a challenge getting under the weight, many fighters struggle in this situation as their training is therefore less intense. Cotto would have to be careful of this and should maybe take a warm up fight at WW to iron that problem out.
Diagree with Margarito,he does not struggle to make the weight at all,you'd think that but it's not the case and I think Cotto has the power to hurt anyone at 147,his beatings he hands out are just ferocious,but I do 10000000% agree with you about Margarito and FLoyd,I think my boy tony can and will hurt him,which is why Floyd does not want to fight..yet...Agreed,Cotto should take a warm up fight at 147 first,just to adapt but I have so much faith in the boy,he is a star in the making and with his MAssVE following,he ill get bigger and better. Hatton did beat those guys and they were tough but they(most) were old,Cotto's opponents were younger and hungrier and against Abdullaev,you could tell Miguel was enjoying the fight,lettin Mohaamed come in,fighting back foot,great counters and picking him off.
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AC,you should come on more often bro,you make you points well and don't resort to foul language or weak points,all your points have relevance and are based on fact. By tHE way,please don't let my statements decieve you,I am a Hatton fan,I just like Cotto more and I was not impressed with Ricky's last performance but I still respect him and I merely use some of these points to defend Miguel,they are evenly matched but I can see Cotto picking him off,delightful counters,I just want Miguel to become more active.Also,the thread title,I don't think he's a pure banger as he likes to box too,just in the last few fights,he hs taken the role of te aggresor,before that,he was more of a thinking boxer.
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I hate that everyone is talking down Cotto!
Cotto's chin? He has one, it's damn good too! His defense is what is suspect.
Why does he have a good chin? Look at the times he has been knocked down 1) It's always been MORE THAN ONE PUNCH 2) The punches have been absolutely FLUSH 3) He has never been KO'd 4) He comes back to KO the guys that hurt him or knocked him down
Cotto's offense might be onesided if you put him in with a runner but he hits hard and he hits often and at 147 he'll have better stamina.
His power is undenyable! He stopped Branco, he has fought more consistant top level competition than Hatton.
Hatton fought Tszyu.....and???? I don't want to hate on Hatton but hehas fought more old top level fighters. I'd like to see him fight Torres.
Hatton has power, a chin, stamina, his offense is one sided too as we saw vs Collazo.
Cotto-Hatton is a good even match and anyone who says 1 or the other will absolutely dominate is just crazy!
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I hate that everyone is talking down Cotto!
Cotto's chin? He has one, it's damn good too! His defense is what is suspect.
Why does he have a good chin? Look at the times he has been knocked down 1) It's always been MORE THAN ONE PUNCH 2) The punches have been absolutely FLUSH 3) He has never been KO'd 4) He comes back to KO the guys that hurt him or knocked him down
Cotto's offense might be onesided if you put him in with a runner but he hits hard and he hits often and at 147 he'll have better stamina.
His power is undenyable! He stopped Branco, he has fought more consistant top level competition than Hatton.
Hatton fought Tszyu.....and???? I don't want to hate on Hatton but hehas fought more old top level fighters. I'd like to see him fight Torres.
Hatton has power, a chin, stamina, his offense is one sided too as we saw vs Collazo.
Cotto-Hatton is a good even match and anyone who says 1 or the other will absolutely dominate is just crazy!
CC brother,great posting.It's mainly Hatton nuthuggers and people who are arguing for arguments sake that are trying to down play Cotto's win.
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I mean I like Hatton and all but his trouble doesn't come from being outslugged but being outboxed. Then again Collazo did seem to hurt him and I think if anyone was going to drop Hatton it would be Cotto.
And why is it that if someone has never been hurt in 40+ fights people just assume he has the heart and skill to deal with it. Cotto has tasted the canvas, and he always gets back up, he's had his heart tested and he has passed. In his 27 fights I think he has done more in proving himself than Ricky has done in his 40+ fights.
I like Hatton, I like the way he fights but like Calzaghe his level of opposition makes me worry and hesitate to pick him to beat other fighters.
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Hatton's fast pace would be too much for Cotto.
Mayweather boxes rings around Cotto.
Cotto stops Castillo late on.
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Yeah enjoying this too, I have to disagree with Mayweather though, he doesnt get hit so doesnt get wobbled, if he does get hit, and its a big puncher hes in trouble. Thats why I think Margarito has a great chance against him at WW. Margarito at WW is like Cotto at JW, a huge puncher shrinking himself down from the weight above where his power wouldnt be as overwhelming. (Cotto would still be powerful but the disparity wouldnt be as great when facing WW's)
The way Ricky won his fights before KT also has to come into play. Ray Olivera had never ever been stopped and hed been in many champoionship fights, Ricky stopped his ass. Vince Phillips was game, Magee was a good fighter before his accident, Ben Tackie was always known as a tough bastard above anything else. Abdullev shouldnt of been any trouble for Cotto, true he beat him in the amateurs but when I saw Abdullev fight in the pros, well he still looked like an amateur. And Paulie wasnt a boxer, he was just a speed merchant but I take the point.
One thing about if this fight came off at 147 man that Cotto would have to be careful of. Obviously its going to be less of a challenge getting under the weight, many fighters struggle in this situation as their training is therefore less intense. Cotto would have to be careful of this and should maybe take a warm up fight at WW to iron that problem out.
Diagree with Margarito,he does not struggle to make the weight at all,you'd think that but it's not the case and I think Cotto has the power to hurt anyone at 147,his beatings he hands out are just ferocious,but I do 10000000% agree with you about Margarito and FLoyd,I think my boy tony can and will hurt him,which is why Floyd does not want to fight..yet...Agreed,Cotto should take a warm up fight at 147 first,just to adapt but I have so much faith in the boy,he is a star in the making and with his MAssVE following,he ill get bigger and better. Hatton did beat those guys and they were tough but they(most) were old,Cotto's opponents were younger and hungrier and against Abdullaev,you could tell Miguel was enjoying the fight,lettin Mohaamed come in,fighting back foot,great counters and picking him off.
I am inclined to believe you that Cotto could hurt anyone at 147, but I made a lot of points before Hatton jumped up saying he would do this and that. Since then, Im more cautious and recognise the effect a weight class, even at the lower or middle end can have. If I had to say so, Id agree with you, just wanna reserve my judgement until he actually fights at WW.
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AC,you should come on more often bro,you make you points well and don't resort to foul language or weak points,all your points have relevance and are based on fact. By tHE way,please don't let my statements decieve you,I am a Hatton fan,I just like Cotto more and I was not impressed with Ricky's last performance but I still respect him and I merely use some of these points to defend Miguel,they are evenly matched but I can see Cotto picking him off,delightful counters,I just want Miguel to become more active.Also,the thread title,I don't think he's a pure banger as he likes to box too,just in the last few fights,he hs taken the role of te aggresor,before that,he was more of a thinking boxer.
Thanks man, Ive always thought you make great points as well. The way you focus on watching past fights and learning everything you dont know about rather than just spouting about it with no knowledge is a good thing to see. Im similar, a Hatton fan because I love his style and my fierce patriotism towards British fighters that arent named Audley. I like Cotto just as much as you probably like Hatton, hes a blood and guts fighter and thats what I love. The only thing Id like to see him change is his tendency to coast in middlish rounds. It didnt cost him last night in the end, but it could do in the future.
As a side note, Im no Mayweather hater, I admire and recognise every one of his acheivements. However I believe Hatton, Cotto and Margarito all have GREAT chances of beating Mayweather. All three have a better chance than ODLH IMO. Margarito is rangy and powerful and therefore Floyd will have problems even when on the perceived outside. Cotto's heart and power is matched with boxing skills that while not as good as Mayweather's, is close enough that his advantages power and heart can more than make up for that. And I still believe Ricky's relentless pressure, lion heart and style could undo Floyd. Of course Floyd could beat them all, no way am I discounting him, but these three all have good chances to beat him, definitely better than anyone else out there.
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Yeah enjoying this too, I have to disagree with Mayweather though, he doesnt get hit so doesnt get wobbled, if he does get hit, and its a big puncher hes in trouble. Thats why I think Margarito has a great chance against him at WW. Margarito at WW is like Cotto at JW, a huge puncher shrinking himself down from the weight above where his power wouldnt be as overwhelming. (Cotto would still be powerful but the disparity wouldnt be as great when facing WW's)
The way Ricky won his fights before KT also has to come into play. Ray Olivera had never ever been stopped and hed been in many champoionship fights, Ricky stopped his ass. Vince Phillips was game, Magee was a good fighter before his accident, Ben Tackie was always known as a tough bastard above anything else. Abdullev shouldnt of been any trouble for Cotto, true he beat him in the amateurs but when I saw Abdullev fight in the pros, well he still looked like an amateur. And Paulie wasnt a boxer, he was just a speed merchant but I take the point.
One thing about if this fight came off at 147 man that Cotto would have to be careful of. Obviously its going to be less of a challenge getting under the weight, many fighters struggle in this situation as their training is therefore less intense. Cotto would have to be careful of this and should maybe take a warm up fight at WW to iron that problem out.
Diagree with Margarito,he does not struggle to make the weight at all,you'd think that but it's not the case and I think Cotto has the power to hurt anyone at 147,his beatings he hands out are just ferocious,but I do 10000000% agree with you about Margarito and FLoyd,I think my boy tony can and will hurt him,which is why Floyd does not want to fight..yet...Agreed,Cotto should take a warm up fight at 147 first,just to adapt but I have so much faith in the boy,he is a star in the making and with his MAssVE following,he ill get bigger and better. Hatton did beat those guys and they were tough but they(most) were old,Cotto's opponents were younger and hungrier and against Abdullaev,you could tell Miguel was enjoying the fight,lettin Mohaamed come in,fighting back foot,great counters and picking him off.
I am inclined to believe you that Cotto could hurt anyone at 147, but I made a lot of points before Hatton jumped up saying he would do this and that. Since then, Im more cautious and recognise the effect a weight class, even at the lower or middle end can have. If I had to say so, Id agree with you, just wanna reserve my judgement until he actually fights at WW.
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AC,you should come on more often bro,you make you points well and don't resort to foul language or weak points,all your points have relevance and are based on fact. By tHE way,please don't let my statements decieve you,I am a Hatton fan,I just like Cotto more and I was not impressed with Ricky's last performance but I still respect him and I merely use some of these points to defend Miguel,they are evenly matched but I can see Cotto picking him off,delightful counters,I just want Miguel to become more active.Also,the thread title,I don't think he's a pure banger as he likes to box too,just in the last few fights,he hs taken the role of te aggresor,before that,he was more of a thinking boxer.
Thanks man, Ive always thought you make great points as well. The way you focus on watching past fights and learning everything you dont know about rather than just spouting about it with no knowledge is a good thing to see. Im similar, a Hatton fan because I love his style and my fierce patriotism towards British fighters that arent named Audley. I like Cotto just as much as you probably like Hatton, hes a blood and guts fighter and thats what I love. The only thing Id like to see him change is his tendency to coast in middlish rounds. It didnt cost him last night in the end, but it could do in the future.
As a side note, Im no Mayweather hater, I admire and recognise every one of his acheivements. However I believe Hatton, Cotto and Margarito all have GREAT chances of beating Mayweather. All three have a better chance than ODLH IMO. Margarito is rangy and powerful and therefore Floyd will have problems even when on the perceived outside. Cotto's heart and power is matched with boxing skills that while not as good as Mayweather's, is close enough that his advantages power and heart can more than make up for that. And I still believe Ricky's relentless pressure, lion heart and style could undo Floyd. Of course Floyd could beat them all, no way am I discounting him, but these three all have good chances to beat him, definitely better than anyone else out there.
Shucks,thanks for the compliments bro and ditto for you,you use evidence,I like that and CC from earlier. I always thought Cotto could carry the weight better than Hatton,Cotto struggles more with 140 and I think it affects his stamina and punch resistance,I mean he looks ghoulish at weigh ins and that cannot be good!! I know it's a bold statement but I believe he can carry the weight well but like you said earlier,I'd advise him to take a warm up first,to see how he handles the weight.
Depending on if Ricky can handle 147,I still think PBF would beat him. His best bet would be to get Floyd@140 but I don't see that happeneing anymore. At the moment,I think PBF would dance around Cotto all night and win,although give Miguel a year and I'd give him a bigger chance and as for Tony,I will always maintain that he can give PBF hell.
Back to Cotto,I agree,I want to see him up his work rate,improve his stamina and land more sumptous combos.I think he will always coast,that's what he does,it's like Hatton always get head forward,you're never going to see the Hitman take a backward step even if it would be for his benefit"!
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Yeah enjoying this too, I have to disagree with Mayweather though, he doesnt get hit so doesnt get wobbled, if he does get hit, and its a big puncher hes in trouble. Thats why I think Margarito has a great chance against him at WW. Margarito at WW is like Cotto at JW, a huge puncher shrinking himself down from the weight above where his power wouldnt be as overwhelming. (Cotto would still be powerful but the disparity wouldnt be as great when facing WW's)
The way Ricky won his fights before KT also has to come into play. Ray Olivera had never ever been stopped and hed been in many champoionship fights, Ricky stopped his a**. Vince Phillips was game, Magee was a good fighter before his accident, Ben Tackie was always known as a tough B****** above anything else. Abdullev shouldnt of been any trouble for Cotto, true he beat him in the amateurs but when I saw Abdullev fight in the pros, well he still looked like an amateur. And Paulie wasnt a boxer, he was just a speed merchant but I take the point.
One thing about if this fight came off at 147 man that Cotto would have to be careful of. Obviously its going to be less of a challenge getting under the weight, many fighters struggle in this situation as their training is therefore less intense. Cotto would have to be careful of this and should maybe take a warm up fight at WW to iron that problem out.
Diagree with Margarito,he does not struggle to make the weight at all,you'd think that but it's not the case and I think Cotto has the power to hurt anyone at 147,his beatings he hands out are just ferocious,but I do 10000000% agree with you about Margarito and FLoyd,I think my boy tony can and will hurt him,which is why Floyd does not want to fight..yet...Agreed,Cotto should take a warm up fight at 147 first,just to adapt but I have so much faith in the boy,he is a star in the making and with his MAssVE following,he ill get bigger and better. Hatton did beat those guys and they were tough but they(most) were old,Cotto's opponents were younger and hungrier and against Abdullaev,you could tell Miguel was enjoying the fight,lettin Mohaamed come in,fighting back foot,great counters and picking him off.
I am inclined to believe you that Cotto could hurt anyone at 147, but I made a lot of points before Hatton jumped up saying he would do this and that. Since then, Im more cautious and recognise the effect a weight class, even at the lower or middle end can have. If I had to say so, Id agree with you, just wanna reserve my judgement until he actually fights at WW.
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AC,you should come on more often bro,you make you points well and don't resort to foul language or weak points,all your points have relevance and are based on fact. By tHE way,please don't let my statements decieve you,I am a Hatton fan,I just like Cotto more and I was not impressed with Ricky's last performance but I still respect him and I merely use some of these points to defend Miguel,they are evenly matched but I can see Cotto picking him off,delightful counters,I just want Miguel to become more active.Also,the thread title,I don't think he's a pure banger as he likes to box too,just in the last few fights,he hs taken the role of te aggresor,before that,he was more of a thinking boxer.
Thanks man, Ive always thought you make great points as well. The way you focus on watching past fights and learning everything you dont know about rather than just spouting about it with no knowledge is a good thing to see. Im similar, a Hatton fan because I love his style and my fierce patriotism towards British fighters that arent named Audley. I like Cotto just as much as you probably like Hatton, hes a blood and guts fighter and thats what I love. The only thing Id like to see him change is his tendency to coast in middlish rounds. It didnt cost him last night in the end, but it could do in the future.
As a side note, Im no Mayweather hater, I admire and recognise every one of his acheivements. However I believe Hatton, Cotto and Margarito all have GREAT chances of beating Mayweather. All three have a better chance than ODLH IMO. Margarito is rangy and powerful and therefore Floyd will have problems even when on the perceived outside. Cotto's heart and power is matched with boxing skills that while not as good as Mayweather's, is close enough that his advantages power and heart can more than make up for that. And I still believe Ricky's relentless pressure, lion heart and style could undo Floyd. Of course Floyd could beat them all, no way am I discounting him, but these three all have good chances to beat him, definitely better than anyone else out there.
Shucks,thanks for the compliments bro and ditto for you,you use evidence,I like that and CC from earlier. I always thought Cotto could carry the weight better than Hatton,Cotto struggles more with 140 and I think it affects his stamina and punch resistance,I mean he looks ghoulish at weigh ins and that cannot be good!! I know it's a bold statement but I believe he can carry the weight well but like you said earlier,I'd advise him to take a warm up first,to see how he handles the weight.
Depending on if Ricky can handle 147,I still think PBF would beat him. His best bet would be to get Floyd@140 but I don't see that happeneing anymore. At the moment,I think PBF would dance around Cotto all night and win,although give Miguel a year and I'd give him a bigger chance and as for Tony,I will always maintain that he can give PBF hell.
Back to Cotto,I agree,I want to see him up his work rate,improve his stamina and land more sumptous combos.I think he will always coast,that's what he does,it's like Hatton always get head forward,you're never going to see the Hitman take a backward step even if it would be for his benefit"!
Without Cotto carrys the weight better you can see he much the bigger man his frame is huge, look at him compared to Paulie on saturday they looked 2/3 weight classes apart, but Hatton is stronger than Paulie by a country mile and Cotto may well be better at 147, but Cotto hasnt impressed me that much so far, also when the hell is Torres going to fight again?? So then we can really get a better idea of torres becasue i'll be honest i think he isnt as good as he looked in that fight against Cotto, just a gut feeling, but i really would love to see Cotto and Hatton fight it would be awesome.
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Back to Cotto,I agree,I want to see him up his work rate,improve his stamina and land more sumptous combos.I think he will always coast,that's what he does,it's like Hatton always get head forward,you're never going to see the Hitman take a backward step even if it would be for his benefit"!
Good points man, maybe its something in them you cant really change, it will always be an instinct thing, what theyre comfortable with. Maybe Cotto is actually bursting a lung to get those shots off early and needs to take a breather before he can go at it with those punches solid for a round. If he take that breather whilst staying on the outside and still outboxing the other fighter, he would never lose and never have to change his style, maybe the idea is to work with this flaw rather than against it (this could be what hes already doing, I dont know)
Would CC you back for all these points, but if I keep saying CC in 24, Id be going for weeks so far... ; ;)
