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How Good is Calzaghe ?
Personally i think he is the most underated Champion in the world today!
I think he has been unlucky with injuries but has shown all the attributes of a great champion.
Lacy was the crowning Glory Joe would have mashed Tarver into next week and would have too much power and speed for Kessler whom i rate and has a good defence but not enough to fend of Calzaghe who would out box and out punch him .
Amazing to think that Winky Wright is rated higher than Joe Calzaghe and yet cant get a grip on Sam Soliman who came right at him .
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Originally Posted by Swashbuckling Gordy
Personally i think he is the most underated Champion in the world today!
I think he has been unlucky with injuries but has shown all the attributes of a great champion.
Lacy was the crowning Glory Joe would have mashed Tarver into next week and would have too much power and speed for Kessler whom i rate and has a good defence but not enough to fend of Calzaghe who would out box and out punch him .
Amazing to think that Winky Wright is rated higher than Joe Calzaghe and yet cant get a grip on Sam Soliman who came right at him .
Calzaghe is a great fighter mate, and i agree with most points, i think Joe is to big for Winky, i hear WInky has said hed move up for Joe if he beat Taylor, but for me Joe would beat Winky, and it looks like Joe has that only option of a big world fight now with Tarver being exposed last week and B-Hop retiring, i think Joe should take Kessler and winner of Winky/Taylor and call it a day, but maybe he could of done more in his career to get more defining fights.
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Lacy was overrated imo
But yeah, Joe is a very good champion.....I would like to see him fight a big name though like Hopkins or Tarver
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The guy is a natural super talent. Not those stupid pumping muscles as a lot of American fighters like to build on their bodies - just a pure athlete. One of the biggest differences between euro guys and the counter Americans is that euro guys does a lot of roadwork to built up stamina and lung capacity. A lot of American fighters use their time lifting iron instead and gets bodies not like a boxer but like bodybuilders.
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Originally Posted by zinmex
The guy is a natural super talent. Not those stupid pumping muscles as a lot of American fighters like to build on their bodies - just a pure athlete. One of the biggest differences between euro guys and the counter Americans is that euro guys does a lot of roadwork to built up stamina and lung capacity. A lot of American fighters use their time lifting iron instead and gets bodies not like a boxer but like bodybuilders.
ROYALS BACK BOYS!!!
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Originally Posted by The_One77
Lacy was overrated imo
But yeah, Joe is a very good champion.....I would like to see him fight a big name though like Hopkins or Tarver
yeah...I think ole Joe is really good but Tarvers stock is in the tank and B-HOP is retired....he'll probably wind up fighting Kessler though...not going to help his cause much but Kessler is a decent fighter.....
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Originally Posted by Swashbuckling Gordy
Personally i think he is the most underated Champion in the world today!
I think he has been unlucky with injuries but has shown all the attributes of a great champion.
Lacy was the crowning Glory Joe would have mashed Tarver into next week and would have too much power and speed for Kessler whom i rate and has a good defence but not enough to fend of Calzaghe who would out box and out punch him .
Amazing to think that Winky Wright is rated higher than Joe Calzaghe and yet cant get a grip on Sam Soliman who came right at him .
While he is a great fighter I am afraid he might not reach his biggest audience and money (America) due to injuries.... Real fight fans know he is a great champion but its the overall perception of the masses that make your legend.....
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Originally Posted by zinmex
The guy is a natural super talent. Not those stupid pumping muscles as a lot of American fighters like to build on their bodies - just a pure athlete. One of the biggest differences between euro guys and the counter Americans is that euro guys does a lot of roadwork to built up stamina and lung capacity. A lot of American fighters use their time lifting iron instead and gets bodies not like a boxer but like bodybuilders.
Dude shut the hell up for the UPTEENTH TIME!!!!! yes us Americans are bodybuiling boxing trash and Euro's are superior to us....Well for nothing else But THERE EURO'S.....
HEY ZINMEX!! HEY OVER HERE!! I GOT SOMETHING FOR YOU.....HOLD ON I KNOW ITS HERE SOMEWERE IN MY POCKET.. WAIT, WAIT.....OH HERE IT IS :fyou:
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I agree with most of whats been said. Joe is great champion. Shame about his hand injuries but hopefully he will still have some big fights ahead. Could be argued that he has never had any major tests, but I am of the opinion he has more than proven himself as every man he has faced in the ring he has beaten. Thats not bad going for a man who has had so many fights and defended his Belts for so long.
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Originally Posted by skel1983
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Originally Posted by zinmex
The guy is a natural super talent. Not those stupid pumping muscles as a lot of American fighters like to build on their bodies - just a pure athlete. One of the biggest differences between euro guys and the counter Americans is that euro guys does a lot of roadwork to built up stamina and lung capacity. A lot of American fighters use their time lifting iron instead and gets bodies not like a boxer but like bodybuilders.
ROYALS BACK BOYS!!!
Similar theme, but it didn't come back to Kessler being the best and the grammar was a bit better... ;) possibly... if he's trying really hard to fool us :D
But wasn't you who spotted 'big dawg 27' or what ever he was called? ;)
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Originally Posted by AdamGB
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Originally Posted by skel1983
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Originally Posted by zinmex
The guy is a natural super talent. Not those stupid pumping muscles as a lot of American fighters like to build on their bodies - just a pure athlete. One of the biggest differences between euro guys and the counter Americans is that euro guys does a lot of roadwork to built up stamina and lung capacity. A lot of American fighters use their time lifting iron instead and gets bodies not like a boxer but like bodybuilders.
ROYALS BACK BOYS!!!
Similar theme, but it didn't come back to Kessler being the best and the grammar was a bit better... ;) possibly... if he's trying really hard to fool us :D
But wasn't you who spotted 'big dawg 27' or what ever he was called? ;)
Thats what i was thinig but since he has been gone i guessed he has been working on his disguise, maybe this explains it??
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Originally Posted by skel1983
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Originally Posted by Swashbuckling Gordy
Personally i think he is the most underated Champion in the world today!
I think he has been unlucky with injuries but has shown all the attributes of a great champion.
Lacy was the crowning Glory Joe would have mashed Tarver into next week and would have too much power and speed for Kessler whom i rate and has a good defence but not enough to fend of Calzaghe who would out box and out punch him .
Amazing to think that Winky Wright is rated higher than Joe Calzaghe and yet cant get a grip on Sam Soliman who came right at him .
i think Joe should take Kessler and winner of Winky/Taylor and call it a day, but maybe he could of done more in his career to get more defining fights.
Joe's wanted kessler for a long time, kessler wont step into the ring with him for anything less than a stupid payday he aint worth. As for doing more for a career defining fight. Im not sure what more he could of done. There are only two people he coulda got in the ring with, b-hop and RJJ. Hopkins got the 3 mill he wanted, got the fight in the usa, then when all he wanted was offerd, he wanted more... (not turning this into a hop ducked jc thread) the only other option was RJJ. RJJ never expessed an interest in fighting calzaghe, + he was at a different w8. RJJ made it clear he would not fight out of the USA, and god knows i don't blame Jc for calling him out to fight in the usa, i mean IF it was a very close 12 round fight, and i think it would have been, i highly doubt a welsh guy would get the call over the american golden boy... same goes if the fight was held in the UK.
Joe beat everyone who was put in front of him.
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I met Joe in London honestly he is such a cool guy loves being champ ( and the attention ) but was really quick with the one liners he is the best fighter on the planet for me .
Everybody said before the Lacy fight he was a joy to be around really laid back and utterly confident i think he is somebodyn with that genuine x factor confidence by the bucket load .
Met Carl Froch as well what a nice bloke he is had my photo taken with him i think all fighters like being in the limelight .
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Originally Posted by Swashbuckling Gordy
I met Joe in London honestly he is such a cool guy loves being champ ( and the attention ) but was really quick with the one liners he is the best fighter on the planet for me .
Everybody said before the Lacy fight he was a joy to be around really laid back and utterly confident i think he is somebodyn with that genuine x factor confidence by the bucket load .
Met Carl Froch as well what a nice bloke he is had my photo taken with him i think all fighters like being in the limelight .
Carl Froch nice bloke :-\
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Joe Calzaghe is pure class! If you didn't think so before, surely he showed in the Lacy fight. That was the greatest boxing performance for years, he punched and rolled off him every shot. Think he is class and a great champ!
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Joe Calzaghe is pure class! If you didn't think so before, surely he showed in the Lacy fight. That was the greatest boxing performance for years, he punched and rolled off him every shot. Think he is class and a great champ!
Brian or Eammon??
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Originally Posted by skel1983
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Originally Posted by Swashbuckling Gordy
I met Joe in London honestly he is such a cool guy loves being champ ( and the attention ) but was really quick with the one liners he is the best fighter on the planet for me .
Everybody said before the Lacy fight he was a joy to be around really laid back and utterly confident i think he is somebodyn with that genuine x factor confidence by the bucket load .
Met Carl Froch as well what a nice bloke he is had my photo taken with him i think all fighters like being in the limelight .
Carl Froch nice bloke :-\
Yup, I'm gonna have to back him up on this one, I met Calzo in Pizza Hut in Cardiff, and he was just an absolute gent, though I didn't have the johnson's to go up to his table and interrupt his meal, so I joined him for a wall to the salad bar when he got up :p
As for his fighting skills, anyone who reads my posts knows that I think he is a great fighter, and that I would love to see him unify the big four in the super-middle division to prove what many people think already, that he is the greatest in this generation of SM fighters.
The Tarver fight must surely be a no-go after his dreadful showing against b-hop, and Johnson has now gone for a tear-up with Clinton Woods, so the natural fights will be Kessler and Bayer, unless Winky Wright does step up, and that would be a massive fight.
And as for making a great fighter from a good fighter, then surely a lot of it is down to the talent around in the division, and also, possibly more importantly, how much is the manager/promoter willing to expose his meal ticket to, becase Frank Warren makes Calzo's fights, and I'm sure he makes a fair turnover on even minor fights like Evans Ashira, which might not be so big if Calzo loses, but now he's into the final stretch of his career, in his own words, then he has to push FW to come through with some massive fights for him to secure his legacy.
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Originally Posted by AdamGB
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Originally Posted by skel1983
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Originally Posted by zinmex
The guy is a natural super talent. Not those stupid pumping muscles as a lot of American fighters like to build on their bodies - just a pure athlete. One of the biggest differences between euro guys and the counter Americans is that euro guys does a lot of roadwork to built up stamina and lung capacity. A lot of American fighters use their time lifting iron instead and gets bodies not like a boxer but like bodybuilders.
ROYALS BACK BOYS!!!
Similar theme, but it didn't come back to Kessler being the best and the grammar was a bit better... ;) possibly... if he's trying really hard to fool us :D
But wasn't you who spotted 'big dawg 27' or what ever he was called? ;)
If you are so much into correct grammar then you might be better off to find another forum solely for posters, who has English as their mother tongue.
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Originally Posted by skel1983
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Originally Posted by Swashbuckling Gordy
I met Joe in London honestly he is such a cool guy loves being champ ( and the attention ) but was really quick with the one liners he is the best fighter on the planet for me .
Everybody said before the Lacy fight he was a joy to be around really laid back and utterly confident i think he is somebodyn with that genuine x factor confidence by the bucket load .
Met Carl Froch as well what a nice bloke he is had my photo taken with him i think all fighters like being in the limelight .
Carl Froch nice bloke :-\
Froch IS a good bloke, dead down to earth and hilarious - and more to the point, he does rate calzaghe as a fighter, totally - he loved the Lacy fight.
I think Froch was just a tad frustrated with Joe's opponents and excuses last year plus the comments about Ricky Hatton's win over Tszyu being 'average' compared to himself and how 'Warren is the best promoter in the world and Hatton has made a terrible mistake' blah blah - and then fought Ashira!
It certainly frustrated me given Joe's talent.
Hennesey were just building hype and interest into a possible match-up before Lacy delivered Joe his golden ticket to the big time.
So long as Joe's hand dosen't go mid-fight, i reckon he has the capability of fighting anyone in and around his weight.
I would like to see him travel though if i'm honest.
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Originally Posted by skel1983
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Originally Posted by zinmex
The guy is a natural super talent. Not those stupid pumping muscles as a lot of American fighters like to build on their bodies - just a pure athlete. One of the biggest differences between euro guys and the counter Americans is that euro guys does a lot of roadwork to built up stamina and lung capacity. A lot of American fighters use their time lifting iron instead and gets bodies not like a boxer but like bodybuilders.
ROYALS BACK BOYS!!!
haha! royal must have 800 email addresses. although his english is a little different(better). anyway zinmex how do you know what the top guys in any weight class are doing for training?
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Originally Posted by zinmex
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Originally Posted by AdamGB
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Originally Posted by skel1983
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Originally Posted by zinmex
The guy is a natural super talent. Not those stupid pumping muscles as a lot of American fighters like to build on their bodies - just a pure athlete. One of the biggest differences between euro guys and the counter Americans is that euro guys does a lot of roadwork to built up stamina and lung capacity. A lot of American fighters use their time lifting iron instead and gets bodies not like a boxer but like bodybuilders.
ROYALS BACK BOYS!!!
Similar theme, but it didn't come back to Kessler being the best and the grammar was a bit better... ;) possibly... if he's trying really hard to fool us :D
But wasn't you who spotted 'big dawg 27' or what ever he was called? ;)
If you are so much into correct grammar then you might be better off to find another forum solely for posters, who has English as their mother tongue.
hmmm, might not be royal after all. perhaps he hired a person "who has English as their mother tongue" to post for him? anyway , his theme is the same. god bless demark!!! ;)
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Originally Posted by CityOfGod
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Originally Posted by skel1983
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Originally Posted by Swashbuckling Gordy
I met Joe in London honestly he is such a cool guy loves being champ ( and the attention ) but was really quick with the one liners he is the best fighter on the planet for me .
Everybody said before the Lacy fight he was a joy to be around really laid back and utterly confident i think he is somebodyn with that genuine x factor confidence by the bucket load .
Met Carl Froch as well what a nice bloke he is had my photo taken with him i think all fighters like being in the limelight .
Carl Froch nice bloke :-\
Froch IS a good bloke, dead down to earth and hilarious - and more to the point, he does rate calzaghe as a fighter, totally - he loved the Lacy fight.
I think Froch was just a tad frustrated with Joe's opponents and excuses last year plus the comments about Ricky Hatton's win over Tszyu being 'average' compared to himself and how 'Warren is the best promoter in the world and Hatton has made a terrible mistake' blah blah - and then fought Ashira!
It certainly frustrated me given Joe's talent.
Hennesey were just building hype and interest into a possible match-up before Lacy delivered Joe his golden ticket to the big time.
So long as Joe's hand dosen't go mid-fight, i reckon he has the capability of fighting anyone in and around his weight.
I would like to see him travel though if i'm honest.
Down to earth nice bloke??
I have read about 3/4 disrespectful interviews he has given in Boxing Monthly, the guy is a fucking tit, he needs to learn to have some fucking mannors and respect, the guy shouts his mouth off without actully thinking, i think he is one of the biggest knobs in boxing. No class what so ever cant wait to see his arse knocked out.
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Why are you guys attacking my English? I know that I am very bad writing English and especially her grammar, but you guys must be horrified when you hear your minorities speaking and especially watch spelling English. An average black person in USA is much poorer at English than an average euro guy, who has English as her 3. Tongue…. ….. – So if you attack me then you must also have a hard time against with your minorities…..
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Originally Posted by zinmex
Why are you guys attacking my English? I know that I am very bad writing English and especially her grammar, but you guys must be horrified when you hear your minorities speaking and especially watch spelling English. An average black person in USA is much poorer at English than an average euro guy, who has English as her 3. Tongue…. ….. – So if you attack me then you must also have a hard time against with your minorities…..
Listen mate keep ur with your racist shit and you will be history.
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Originally Posted by skel1983
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Originally Posted by zinmex
Why are you guys attacking my English? I know that I am very bad writing English and especially her grammar, but you guys must be horrified when you hear your minorities speaking and especially watch spelling English. An average black person in USA is much poorer at English than an average euro guy, who has English as her 3. Tongue…. ….. – So if you attack me then you must also have a hard time against with your minorities…..
Listen mate keep ur with your racist S*** and you will be history.
Why, you told me I was a bad grammar guy and I just agreed, so what......?
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Originally Posted by zinmex
Why are you guys attacking my English? I know that I am very bad writing English and especially her grammar, but you guys must be horrified when you hear your minorities speaking and especially watch spelling English. An average black person in USA is much poorer at English than an average euro guy, who has English as her 3. Tongue…. ….. – So if you attack me then you must also have a hard time against with your minorities…..
"An average black person in USA is much poorer at English than an average euro guy, who has English as her 3."
wow! it might be royal after all (hating blacks). Euros have English as their #3? ummmmm, no. where do you live , the "north pole"?
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Yes, it might be Royal cause it is true - most black people is criminal so what is your point? 33 procent of an average black guy is averge to be criminal - less than 3 % is whites is likely to be honest.
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Yes, it might be Royal cause it is true - most black people is criminal so what is your point? 33 procent of an average black guy is averge to be criminal - less than 3 % is whites is likely to be honest.
:fyou: :flush: :isthatthetime: Saddo you no what time it is!!
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Yes, it might be Royal cause it is true - most black people is criminal so what is your point? 33 procent of an average black guy is averge to be criminal - less than 3 % is whites is likely to be honest.
Your Mom.... FUKKER!!!!!!!!
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Yes, it might be Royal cause it is true - most black people is criminal so what is your point? 33 procent of an average black guy is averge to be criminal - less than 3 % is whites is likely to be honest.
Dude WTF is wrong with you,this is boxing site,don't come here and talk about your racist S***
Saddo ban this idiot please >:mad
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Yes, it might be Royal cause it is true - most black people is criminal so what is your point? 33 procent of an average black guy is averge to be criminal - less than 3 % is whites is likely to be honest.
holy f! ole royal just wont stop. royal? please come to the USA, go to detroit , NYC , atlanta , etc...and bring that crazy talk with you. Make sure you say good bye to your wife and all! :tombstone:
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new movie! "royal meets some black guys"... O0 "sup g"..."u black , u criminal!"..... :jabbing: :knock_out: :tdo13: :badass: :badass: :badass:................ :plzdie: :tombstone: :tombstone: :tombstone:
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Facker left??? WTF was that all racist s*** about??? I am friking white European with bad grammar ;D but I don't come here and insult people with all that S***.I am in Chicago and most of my friends are blacks and spanish.This is friking boxing site and you argue about BOXING. Make me so mad >:mad when I heard idiots like that dude. Anyway JC is great fighter and person,RESPECT and CREDIT. He show as everything in fight with JL,he can addapt to any style really,great job,I would love to see him fighting Winky,B-HOP and RJJ but last two IMO is not going to happen. I just hope he can overcome his hands injuries and continue to fight.
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Originally Posted by zinmex
The guy is a natural super talent. Not those stupid pumping muscles as a lot of American fighters like to build on their bodies - just a pure athlete. One of the biggest differences between euro guys and the counter Americans is that euro guys does a lot of roadwork to built up stamina and lung capacity. A lot of American fighters use their time lifting iron instead and gets bodies not like a boxer but like bodybuilders.
What are you talking about look at Hopkins, Mayweather, Diego Corrales, and hte list goes on... many American boxers are in very good shape.
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Originally Posted by sillent killer
Facker left??? WTF was that all racist s*** about??? I am friking white European with bad grammar ;D but I don't come here and insult people with all that S***.I am in Chicago and most of my friends are blacks and spanish.This is friking boxing site and you argue about BOXING. Make me so mad >:mad when I heard idiots like that dude. Anyway JC is great fighter and person,RESPECT and CREDIT. He show as everything in fight with JL,he can addapt to any style really,great job,I would love to see him fighting Winky,B-HOP and RJJ but last two IMO is not going to happen. I just hope he can overcome his hands injuries and continue to fight.
Mr.Royal came her right around the Joe vs jeff fight. his post were just as racist. at first it was funny because he sounded (via posts) so damn stupid. then he posted pics of his wife. it was really funny (at his expence). :LOLATYOU:
anyway, i think joe should call it day. im sure he could win some of those fights, but how long will it take to get a RJJ, etc to comes to "terms" for it to happen. long time. joe isnt getting younger and speed is his gift.
Long live Denmark! hey royal? got any nude pics of your wife? post them!
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Originally Posted by Swashbuckling Gordy
Personally i think he is the most underated Champion in the world today!
Personally...I agree. He is one of the most underratted champs in the world...
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Originally Posted by Swashbuckling Gordy
Amazing to think that Winky Wright is rated higher than Joe Calzaghe and yet cant get a grip on Sam Soliman who came right at him .
Then again...I can't believe that you just posted that thread. Wright kicked Soliman's ass. You should pay attention to the numbers & not the volume.
Wright outlanded & outhustled Soliman all night long.
Either way...welcome to the forum & have the Obligatory Wacko Welcome Wagon :coolclick:
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Joe Calzaghe is one of the best super middle's of all time, period.
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Originally Posted by cockey cockney
Joe Calzaghe is one of the best super middle's of all time, period.
yes, but how high up? 5 or above i would guess.
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Originally Posted by cockey cockney
Joe Calzaghe is one of the best super middle's of all time, period.
yes, but how high up? 5 or above i would guess.
Id say top 3.
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Originally Posted by skel1983
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Originally Posted by 1st rd ko
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Originally Posted by cockey cockney
Joe Calzaghe is one of the best super middle's of all time, period.
yes, but how high up? 5 or above i would guess.
Id say top 3.
the other two being (in their prime)???
