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I am going to give Oscar De La Hoya a break today. Sure he had plenty of suspect victories but he lost a couple of suspect one's also (Mosley 2). But I have to give my nod to Riddick Bowe, specially after I just read the thread on how he could beat a prime Tyson (NOT). I guess his impressive victories over Holyfield made his career, but after Golata ripped him up I knew he was overated.
Jeff "left hook" Lacy
Hector Camancho
Vernon Forrest
Antonio Tarver
Virgil Hill
Micheal Moore
are all honorable mentions
How could I forget Nasseem "Prince" Hamed.
That big guy in the gold mask in Gladiator. Somebody 'the Gaul' I think.
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Or what about the big Russian from Rocky 4, or maybe even the Kirate Kid
yeah, the Karate Kid - I hated that skinny little fucker and always wanted to stab him in the face.
He was definitely overrated.
Also the guy with the knives instead of a hand in 'Enter the Dragon' (Mr Han) - he had this big build up and beat up the black guy and everything .. then he turned into a wimp against Lee.
Plus, as all these were documentaries and therefore true, does anyone know how I can contact Agent Smith on the internet?
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Agent Smith is like the CIA, you can't contact him he will contact you.
dude...he had 15 straight title defenses....so not over hyped... Audley Harrison....now that's overrated...Quote:
Originally Posted by gbrandon
15 strait is very impressive, but going into the Barrera fight he had so much star power, almost as much as Oscar (but not quite). He loses the fight horribly and does not redeem himself at all, not just against Barrera but any of the top fighters in his weight class, he falls off of the map. I was a big Naz fan and I remember many of the fights during that 15 defenses, he was so fast he would keep his hands down by his waist when fighting (he was that good). And then stiff competition came and he collapsed. With all the hype surrounding him with the HBO contract, endorsements, ESPN highlights, antics in the ring he did not live up. By the way I agree with the Harrison quoteQuote:
Originally Posted by bigragu
15 strait is very impressive, but going into the Barrera fight he had so much star power, almost as much as Oscar (but not quite). He loses the fight horribly and does not redeem himself at all, not just against Barrera but any of the top fighters in his weight class, he falls off of the map. I was a big Naz fan and I remember many of the fights during that 15 defenses, he was so fast he would keep his hands down by his waist when fighting (he was that good). And then stiff competition came and he collapsed. With all the hype surrounding him with the HBO contract, endorsements, ESPN highlights, antics in the ring he did not live up. By the way I agree with the Harrison quote
[/quote]cool...I see where you're coming from but NAZ won a title again before he retired...and wins against Kevin Kelly(who's still fighting good fights) and Wayne McCullogg were against stiff competition...
From a Sanctioning Body stand point I would say
John Ruiz comes to mind. how in the hell he could be hanging around the #1 spot after losing to Jones. and Toney, and have the opportunities to keep fighting for the Championship is beyond me . I thought Golota was robbed in that boring fight with Ruiz. John had a lot of questionable decisions fall his way . In the rankings Ruiz should have been cold soup. Limited boxing Skills. punch and grab technique was hard to watch from a fight fan stand point. If Don King didn’t have him in the pocket he would have been way down in the charts in my opinion .
True statement but I dont think any boxing fan overhyped him. He was a pathetic excuse for a champion.Quote:
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The worst of all time, in my opinion.Quote:
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The way of boxing is you win the title in the ring, and the only place you can lose it is in the ring. Ruiz all you need is a lawyer to get a title. And for Lennox Lewis all you need is a lawyer and a court to get a title shot ;D
EVANDER HOLYFIELD
LENNOX LEWIS
its probably ODH
PLUTO I never saw him win a fight, and yet Popeye was always the underdog
BLUTO I never saw him win a fight, and yet Popeye was always the underdog
I disagree with Holyfield. Evander was 100% thrill ride no matter who he fought. He made his opponents get into real fighting condition because they knew they need to be at their best in order to beat Evander. not like today’s Heavyweights that have no desire and seem to have signed a contract that says lets not get in shape for the fight 250-260lbs absolute ridiculous weights now days , None effective weight I might add.Quote:
Originally Posted by frozensolid_702
I also disagree with Lewis, However I find Lennox an interesting addition although Lewis avenged his dismantles, he was not really consistent through his career. kind of bored me to watch a lot of the time. He seemed to have an attitude of just do enough to win, without taking any real chances. then in some fights he brought his A game . I liked Lewis before he put on all that weight. When he was 227 lbs against Ruddock .
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Oh Bollocks
I have read your post before, and I am just waiting for somebody to say Zab so you can explode.Quote:
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I liked your joke, Scrap - even if it took 2 attempts.Quote:
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The 'oh bollocks' actually did make me laugh out loud !!
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Why?Quote:
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Never knew That Popeye had problems with Mickey's dog. Spongebob ;DQuote:
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Why?Quote:
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he lost to a lot of weak competition..........im not saying he was a terrible fighter or anything, he just got beat a lot and i have heard people regard him as one of the best of all time
lacy
&
Valuev
I can't believe somebody put Holyfeild in there....no way!
Valuev
Bordrey Harrison are very overated.
This is a joke right, he is a 6 weight champion, what is wrong with you, seriously?Quote:
Originally Posted by gbrandon
How can anyone who has been a World Champion be "Over-Rated".
You go into a sport aiming to be the best a "World Champion" if you succeed you are not "Over-Rated"...
Seriously some of you guys ask so much from these men, It makes me wonder if you actua.lly think they should die in the ring just to please you?
John Ruiz ia a bum.
Although that might be unkind to bums.
I can see that debating with you is going to be difficult because we have to break it down in elementary terms for you. Let me give you a basketball analogy.Quote:
Originally Posted by B@rr3r@
Many people believe that Micheal Jordan is the greatest basketball player of all time. When he retired the first time Scottie Pippen (His sidekick) tookover the main role as team leader. People put him on the same level with Micheal Jordan thinking he would duplicate the same success, he didn't. So people screamed that he was over rated. Does not mean that he was a bum, it does not mean he was not successful (Great Player) it means that people expected more out of him than he produced. That is what overated is. Champions can be overated, it does not mean that they are not successful.
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wouldn't you say that he stayed longer then he should have? Wasn't it then that he lost to the competition?Quote:
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he lost to bowe twice and moore once...IN HIS PRIME
he wasnt even the best heavyweight when he was in his prime, and just because he continued to fight and get beat by nobodies is a moot point because if that were true then he had a very short "prime" period.
again, starr................not saying he wasnt a good and entertaining fighter, but he was VERY far from being considered an all time great
time will tell on these two...what lacy does after the Calzaghe fight will be his path and once Valuev fights real hw champs he will be in deep water....Quote:
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people think zab sucks, so he isnt even a candidate,Quote:
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ODH lost all his fights with people who were all time greats in thier prime, and people say he is top 10 ww/lw all time
names Sal....gimme some names...don't even try the Trinidad bs...you know ODLH won that one....who else....Quote:
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trinidad is one dimentionalQuote:
Originally Posted by bigragu
b-hop and mosley
he also made a name for himself beating up on old man chavez
riddick bowe
okay.................as long as you acknowledge that evander was even more over-rated, seeing as how riddick OWNS evanderQuote:
Originally Posted by The_One77
PBF. Great fighter but he has fought had picked guys whos styles work in his favor. He hasnt impressed me since he moved to 140. Bring on the sad clicks
evander did however beat riddick and in the third fight he was suffering from hepatitis...so..for evander not to be a natural HW he was damn good..and just had problems with larger guys...bowe,lewis..(although i think prime evander kicks lennox's ass) he was the second HW to win the HW weight crown three times..the first to win it 4 times..so there's no way in hell that evander is overrated...In fact Evander need to have a HW training camp so he teach these pucci heavyweights now how not to be scared of getting into a fight...Quote:
Originally Posted by frozensolid_702
but IMO most overrated
Vargas, ODH, TYSON