Roy jones had the physical Capability to do what B-hop did to tarver

Jones just maybe really thought he was invincable and found out otherwise ...Roy is gunshy now ,soft chin or not!!,

Jones has Less fight in him now

agree or disagree??

ps -didnt it feel good to see b-hop take it to Tarver like that ...Tarver alwasy talks big like hes gonna come in and do sothin special ...he talks a great fight ..then goes and fights coutiously ...he deserved a loss ...maybe Tarver will start to fight harder

Roy seemed to have little heart, its a shame, because we need to remember Roy for what he was. Never liked him as a person, but you cant ignore the fact he has been one of the greatest fighters ever, he said himself he is struggling to find the desire within himself...

Marvis frazier said to me ( i train at 2917 broad st now in philly) ...Marvis said you cant let the fight fight itself ..so many naturally good boxers will let the fight play itself out ..and you cant win that way u have to take everything u get ...RJJ stopped taking and started lettin the fight fight itself ...(like glen johnson RJJ is a perfect example) ...RJJ is much too defensive ....he usued be able to beat on people w/ out getting touched ...now he just doesnt get touched 2much after the KOs

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arvis frazier said to e ( i train at 2917 broad st now in philly) ...Marvis said you cant let the fight fight itself ..so many naturally good boxers will let the fight play itself ouy ..and you cant win that way u have to take everything u get ...RJJ stopped taking and started lettin the fight fight itself ...(like glen johnson RJJ is a perfect example) ...RJJ is much too defensive ....he usued be able to beat on people w/ out getting touched ...now he just doesnt get touched 2much after the KOs

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im inclined to agree with that, means :coolclick:

both jones and hopkins could have stopped tarver IMO if they had let the hands go somewhat more....

hopkins still has the belief in himself and so he was able to impose himself over 12 rounds...

jones jr had tarver hurt in their last fight but wasnt able to let it all hang out in an effort to stop tarver....

hopkins did me proud last weekend, watched the fight again tonight....an excellent job!!! :D

the ko's of roy did what they do to a lot of fighters..which is make them doubt themselves, and they sometimes don't respond well to punches after a devastating KO...

But it's getting quite ridiculous for many to think because after 16 years and 50 fights, when roy finally gets hit with what Manny steward called

"a perfect left hand that ROy never saw"

That he can't take a punch. If roy jones went 16 years and 50 fights without getting hit..then he's even better than his fans must've thought...

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the ko's of roy did what they do to a lot of fighters..which is make them doubt themselves, and they sometimes don't respond well to punches after a devastating KO...

But it's getting quite ridiculous for many to think because after 16 years and 50 fights, when roy finally gets hit with what Manny steward called

"a perfect left hand that ROy never saw"

That he can't take a punch. If roy jones went 16 years and 50 fights without getting hit..then he's even better than his fans must've thought...

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i see yoru point and agree to an extent ...but it is a fact once u get KOd ...your "brain glue" if u will lol gets unstick along w/ ur brain stem and you are easier to KO if youve been knocked cold before ...(notice how Tarvers punch really messed RJJ up ...THEN glen johnson knocked him cold ...anyway i'm sure your right its ostly phsycological but that is a fact about being easier to KO

BUT yes your right in RJJs case...RJJ is so skilled it is all in his head cause he used to never eaven lose rounds ...and he could still box in & out and land his shots and get out but hes too unsure now or scared of gettinghit

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BUT yes your right in RJJs case...RJJ is so skilled it is all in his head cause he used to never eaven lose rounds ...and he could still box in & out and land his shots and get out but hes too unsure now or scared of gettinghit

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you're right he doesn't repsond well to punches anymore..but i was speaking about the people who say

"no wonder roy never fought anyone, he couldn't take a punch"

That is by far one of the most biased and dumbest statements about a boxer....

I just want roy to fight prince then get the fuck out with his 50th win...

Or Hopkins whupped on a weight drained fighter that is not busy anyway, and his style (with lead right hands) was perfect to that to him. ie He did to Tarver what Tarver did to Roy

nah roy won the weight drained fight...and tarver won third fight by knocking roy out in the second fight...he completely got in his head...much like the korean judges screwed him up so badly that he didn't want to fight overseas anymore..much like he stopped really mixing it up after he saw G-MAN injured against Benn...Roy Jones has always been carried by his brain power, and once that was shattered on anything he never gets over it....

roy could have done tarver much much worse than hop--takingnothing from hop--but a focused, even remotely close to prime RJJ would pick apart tarver and kayo him easy

tarver bever had great stamina to begin with and roy was always in great shape--after draining down to 175 afetr dismantling ruiz he was and is just done--period............sad but true--it happens to everyone if u hang aroung too long which is why i commend hop for walking away at this point

remeber Tarver saying "does Roy think hes the only fighter who ever had to sweat down??"

lol atleast antonio was smart enough not to be a hypocrit

I think the few times in the third fight Roy did throw punches at Tarver he completely overwhelmed Antonio with speed and power... no doubt in my mind he is physically capable of beating still most of the fighters out there, but without his mind truly confident he might not even beat fringe contenders because he isn't what he once was... he's still very fast, and strong, but not quite at the level he was.

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Jones just maybe really thought he was invincable and found out otherwise ...Roy is gunshy now ,soft chin or not!!,
Jones has Less heart

agree or disagree??

ps -didnt it feel good to see b-hop take it to Tarver like that ...Tarver alwasy talks big like hes gonna come in and do sothin special ...he talks a great fight ..then goes and fights coutiously ...he deserved a loss ...maybe Tarver will start to fight harder

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sometime it is heart that makes a fighter great ....Roy got lucky that his chin was never tested early....Roy now is like Tommy hearns-minus the heart......he mioght have the physical gifts but the mental is gone....

Jones has the physical ability to beat anyone middleweight, SMW or LH in the history of the sport....he was a phenomenon in his hay day.

No roy would have never been able to beat tarver like hop did. Not saying roy can't beat him but people must understand it wasn't just the right hands that beat tarver. It was the way that hop was roughing him up that won that fight. Tarver wasn't ready for that type of fight. Once he saw how rough hop was i think he got scared. Imo tarver would have never been able to beat hop no matter when they fought. Roy would never fight that type of fight and thats what gave tarver the confidence to fight him the way he did. People try to descredit the win by saying tarver didn't show up. He showed up. Listen to the commentators in the beginning of the fight. Tarver showed up but i think he thought hop would run and fight him like he did eastman and taylor but when he started to come in on him in the 1st round he didn't know what to do.

Roy Jones Jr was arguably the best boxer to ever lace them up, Hopkins and Tarver are not on the same level as Jones Jr was in his prime.

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Jones just maybe really thought he was invincable and found out otherwise ...Roy is gunshy now ,soft chin or not!!,
Jones has Less heart

agree or disagree??

ps -didnt it feel good to see b-hop take it to Tarver like that ...Tarver alwasy talks big like hes gonna come in and do sothin special ...he talks a great fight ..then goes and fights coutiously ...he deserved a loss ...maybe Tarver will start to fight harder

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STRONGLY DISAGREE!!!!

How did Roy Jones Jr lack heart?

You all seem to forget that Roy actually FOUGHT at Heavyweight anc came back down and fought the light heavyweight champ at the guys weight class... AND WON.

And tarver filmed a movie, not even a real fight at heavyweight and came back down to fight a middleweight moving up to that weight class. And loses every single round.

Roy got more heart then he ever got credit for ;)

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Roy Jones Jr was arguably the best boxer to ever lace them up, Hopkins and Tarver are not on the same level as Jones Jr was in his prime.

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Bernard is just a handful short as many knockouts as Jones & against fighters that were a bit more legit IWO.

I love both men...but both were great fighters & Hopkins accomplished more.

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Roy Jones Jr was arguably the best boxer to ever lace them up, Hopkins and Tarver are not on the same level as Jones Jr was in his prime.

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Bernard is just a handful short as many knockouts as Jones & against fighters that were a bit more legit IWO.

I love both men...but both were great fighters & Hopkins accomplished more.

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let's see

ROY JONES: MW, SMW, LHW, & HW champion. voted fighter of the decade in 1999, fighter of the year in 1994, first in over 100 years to move from MW to HW and win the title. (7) notable accomplishments

BERNARD: MW & LHW champion. Most consecutive defenses of the MW crown. (3) notable accomplishments

So who was it that accomplished more?

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Roy Jones Jr was arguably the best boxer to ever lace them up, Hopkins and Tarver are not on the same level as Jones Jr was in his prime.

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Bernard is just a handful short as many knockouts as Jones & against fighters that were a bit more legit IWO.

I love both men...but both were great fighters & Hopkins accomplished more.

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let's see

ROY JONES: MW, SMW, LHW, & HW champion. voted fighter of the decade in 1999, fighter of the year in 1994, first in over 100 years to move from MW to HW and win the title. (7) notable accomplishments

BERNARD: MW & LHW champion. Most consecutive defenses of the MW crown. (3) notable accomplishments

So who was it that accomplished more?

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Bernards is more recent. So of course its gonna be strong votes for him ;)

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Roy Jones Jr was arguably the best boxer to ever lace them up, Hopkins and Tarver are not on the same level as Jones Jr was in his prime.

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Bernard is just a handful short as many knockouts as Jones & against fighters that were a bit more legit IWO.

I love both men...but both were great fighters & Hopkins accomplished more.

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let's see

ROY JONES: MW, SMW, LHW, & HW champion. voted fighter of the decade in 1999, fighter of the year in 1994, first in over 100 years to move from MW to HW and win the title. (7) notable accomplishments

BERNARD: MW & LHW champion. Most consecutive defenses of the MW crown. (3) notable accomplishments

So who was it that accomplished more?

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Well if were talking about notable acomplishments then we really should only be talking about titles and records.Why? In 100 years nobody gonna care if roy jones was fighter of the year in 94,or if hop was fighter of the year in in 01. But they will talk about the titles and the records. When you look at it like that it might look a little different:

Roy Jones
-MW Titleholder,SMW Titleholder,HW title holder( I will only count this as 1 accomplishment being that he was never the true champ in these divisions)
-Universally Recognized LHW Champ
-First man to win a title at heavyweight after being middleweight champ in over 100 years

Bernard Hopkins
-Universally Recognized MW Champ
-Universally Recognized LHW Champ
-Most defenses of the the MW title EVER
-First man in over in a 100 years to go from MW to win LHW title

Now we could say 4 to 3 Hop or 5 to 4 for Roy. But either way you look its pretty close.

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Roy Jones Jr was arguably the best boxer to ever lace them up, Hopkins and Tarver are not on the same level as Jones Jr was in his prime.

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Bernard is just a handful short as many knockouts as Jones & against fighters that were a bit more legit IWO.

I love both men...but both were great fighters & Hopkins accomplished more.

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let's see

ROY JONES: MW, SMW, LHW, & HW champion. voted fighter of the decade in 1999, fighter of the year in 1994, first in over 100 years to move from MW to HW and win the title. (7) notable accomplishments

BERNARD: MW & LHW champion. Most consecutive defenses of the MW crown. (3) notable accomplishments

So who was it that accomplished more?

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Well if were talking about notable acomplishments then we really should only be talking about titles and records.Why? In 100 years nobody gonna care if roy jones was fighter of the year in 94,or if hop was fighter of the year in in 01. But they will talk about the titles and the records. When you look at it like that it might look a little different:

Roy Jones
-MW Titleholder,SMW Titleholder,HW title holder( I will only count this as 1 accomplishment being that he was never the true champ in these divisions)
-Universally Recognized LHW Champ
-First man to win a title at heavyweight after being middleweight champ in over 100 years

Bernard Hopkins
-Universally Recognized MW Champ
-Universally Recognized LHW Champ
-Most defenses of the the MW title EVER
-First man in over in a 100 years to go from MW to win LHW title

Now we could say 4 to 3 Hop or 5 to 4 for Roy. But either way you look its pretty close.

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whoa in hundred years the books will read...roy was four time- four division world champion fighter of the decade in the nineties...and beat bernard hopkins....

hopkins' will read two time two division world champ most defenses of middleweight title..and lost to roy jones...

Answer me this question.

Who did Hopkins beat thats as good as James Toney was ;)

That is all ;D

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Answer me this question.

Who did Hopkins beat thats as good as James Toney was ;)

That is all ;D

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or even as good himself....other than the smaller tito and oscar....

and btw, Roy went up to beat James Toney just as bernard went up to beat Tarver ;) And if you can tell me any other guy that was recognized as the universal champ at 168 other then James Toney before Roy beat him please tell me ::**

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Jones just maybe really thought he was invincable and found out otherwise ...Roy is gunshy now ,soft chin or not!!,
Jones has Less heart

agree or disagree??

ps -didnt it feel good to see b-hop take it to Tarver like that ...Tarver alwasy talks big like hes gonna come in and do sothin special ...he talks a great fight ..then goes and fights coutiously ...he deserved a loss ...maybe Tarver will start to fight harder

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STRONGLY DISAGREE!!!!

How did Roy Jones Jr lack heart?

You all seem to forget that Roy actually FOUGHT at Heavyweight anc came back down and fought the light heavyweight champ at the guys weight class... AND WON.

And tarver filmed a movie, not even a real fight at heavyweight and came back down to fight a middleweight moving up to that weight class. And loses every single round.

Roy got more heart then he ever got credit for ;)

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i know he had heart back in the day .and he took his losses so i'm sure he still has heart YOUR RIGHT i' gonna modify what i said ....its just that RJJ doenst look like he wants to be there when he fights now

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and btw, Roy went up to beat James Toney just as bernard went up to beat Tarver ;) And if you can tell me any other guy that was recognized as the universal champ at 168 other then James Toney before Roy beat him please tell me ::**

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So toney moves up and beats iran barkley for the ibf strap and that made him universally recognized champ? Are you serious?