sam peter vs. james toney is in the works!

the fight will take place sometime in september and be telivised on showtime according to boxingtalk.com

i gotta give the edge to james toney if he can get his fat a** in half way decent shape

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Originally Posted by frozensolid_702

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i gotta give the edge to james toney if he can get his fat a** in half way decent shape

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until he gets hit.....he has never been hit by a true banger.....Rahman doesn't count....

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Originally Posted by bigragu

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Originally Posted by frozensolid_702

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i gotta give the edge to james toney if he can get his fat a** in half way decent shape

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until he gets hit.....he has never been hit by a true banger.....Rahman doesn't count....

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true, but..............
imo, i think toney is still a pretty slick hw and will be able to out box sam peter but that is contingent upon toney getting in decent shape

but again thats a big IF

We all know James is higly talented and gets by without much effort since he is so gifted...As he gets older he is gonna have to put more work into his conditioning or he is gonna be in serious trouble when he gets in there with a true power puncher he is gonna have to up his workrate and outbox these guys instead of lying on the ropes and getting tooled on

YES! I think Peter can take this one.

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Originally Posted by bigragu

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Originally Posted by frozensolid_702

according to boxingtalk.com

i gotta give the edge to james toney if he can get his fat a** in half way decent shape

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until he gets hit.....he has never been hit by a true banger.....Rahman doesn't count....

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What in the hell are you talking about, Rahman doesn't count... THat's all Rahman can do is punch...and he hit Toney with some big right hands... Peter basically sucks, imo... He is a sloth, Toney would make him look absolutely silly... I think if Wlad fought him again he could KO him fairly quickly, and I think that was a piss poor performance by Wlad in the first fight, people give him major props for that win... I see it as him almost being KOed by a total amatuer who had nowhere near the same physical tools, and isn't even on the same planet in terms of skill... I mean really, Wlad handled him just fine except for the 4 times Peter landed a punch on him, Toney can handle punches just fine, so he would beat him easier, imo, because he wouldn't have the mental baggage that Wlad did in that fight... I mean that may as well have been Wlads pro debut all over again he was just there to shake off his nerves and get comfortable.

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Originally Posted by jtrock

We all know James is higly talented and gets by without much effort since he is so gifted...As he gets older he is gonna have to put more work into his conditioning or he is gonna be in serious trouble when he gets in there with a true power puncher he is gonna have to up his workrate and outbox these guys instead of lying on the ropes and getting tooled on

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well said..............
i agree 100%

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Originally Posted by jtrock

We all know James is higly talented and gets by without much effort since he is so gifted...As he gets older he is gonna have to put more work into his conditioning or he is gonna be in serious trouble when he gets in there with a true power puncher he is gonna have to up his workrate and outbox these guys instead of lying on the ropes and getting tooled on

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well said..............
i agree 100%

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WOW!!!! We finally agree on something ;)

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We all know James is higly talented and gets by without much effort since he is so gifted...As he gets older he is gonna have to put more work into his conditioning or he is gonna be in serious trouble when he gets in there with a true power puncher he is gonna have to up his workrate and outbox these guys instead of lying on the ropes and getting tooled on

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well said..............
i agree 100%

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WOW!!!! We finally agree on something ;)

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that and meldrick taylor getting screwed (assuming youre talking about jcc)
that in my opinion was the biggest robbery of all time
and richard steele KNEW that round was going to end

I'll say it again if that fight ruined Taylor and he wasnt going to be the same, then he should have at least had a chance to finish the last few seconds and claim his much deserved victory...What a heart breaking robbery...The man earned it and went through hell and to have it ripped away from him is unexcusable IMO

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Originally Posted by frozensolid_702

according to boxingtalk.com

i gotta give the edge to james toney if he can get his fat a** in half way decent shape

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until he gets hit.....he has never been hit by a true banger.....Rahman doesn't count....

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true, but..............
imo, i think toney is still a pretty slick hw and will be able to out box sam peter but that is contingent upon toney getting in decent shape

but again thats a big IF

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he's slick I'll give you that....but once Peter drops one of those monster Hambones upside his head/body/arms....JFAT is going to be in serious trouble....

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I'll say it again if that fight ruined Taylor and he wasnt going to be the same, then he should have at least had a chance to finish the last few seconds and claim his much deserved victory...What a heart breaking robbery...The man earned it and went through hell and to have it ripped away from him is unexcusable IMO

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He wasn't fit to continue. He was clearly ou of it and it isn't worth it to risk those last seconds.

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Originally Posted by SecondRoundKO

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I'll say it again if that fight ruined Taylor and he wasnt going to be the same, then he should have at least had a chance to finish the last few seconds and claim his much deserved victory...What a heart breaking robbery...The man earned it and went through hell and to have it ripped away from him is unexcusable IMO

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He wasn't fit to continue. He was clearly ou of it and it isn't worth it to risk those last seconds.

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there was like 2 SECONDS left (or something like that)
and i may be wrong but was jcc's promoter don king back then? cuz i remember in that period of boxing you could have A LOT of stuff go your way if he was promoting you.
not so much anymore though

WHAT?!?! Hell yeah, this is a fight that I wanna see. I'm sorry guys but Peter is gonna KO Toney. Yeah, Toney is great blocking and slipping punches with his shoulders, but when you have arguably the hardest hitter P4P hitting you on your shoulders, Toney will wear down and get caught.

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I'll say it again if that fight ruined Taylor and he wasnt going to be the same, then he should have at least had a chance to finish the last few seconds and claim his much deserved victory...What a heart breaking robbery...The man earned it and went through hell and to have it ripped away from him is unexcusable IMO

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He wasn't fit to continue. He was clearly ou of it and it isn't worth it to risk those last seconds.

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exactly...risking death for that is not worth it.....

Easy fight for Toney, Peter has one chance and I dont believe he'll get it against Toney even if he comes in the same shape he did against Rahman. I pick Toney to win an easy UD.

Doubt that this happens...but if it does...JFAT probably wins this one.

NOOOOO!!!!!! ...james is taking too much risk for it not being a title shot

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Originally Posted by means2184

NOOOOO!!!!!! ...james is taking too much risk for it not being a title shot

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Turn about's fair play.

I'd laugh my ass if Peter dropped him.

I think Peter is going to fight Valv here in the States in Dec at MGM*

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I think Peter is going to fight Valv here in the States in Dec at MGM*

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i havent heard that yet but its possible
source?

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I'll say it again if that fight ruined Taylor and he wasnt going to be the same, then he should have at least had a chance to finish the last few seconds and claim his much deserved victory...What a heart breaking robbery...The man earned it and went through hell and to have it ripped away from him is unexcusable IMO

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He wasn't fit to continue. He was clearly ou of it and it isn't worth it to risk those last seconds.

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Sorry not buying it>>>I understand either argument BUT there was only a few seconds left very,very remote chance that anything would have happened

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I'll say it again if that fight ruined Taylor and he wasnt going to be the same, then he should have at least had a chance to finish the last few seconds and claim his much deserved victory...What a heart breaking robbery...The man earned it and went through hell and to have it ripped away from him is unexcusable IMO

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He wasn't fit to continue. He was clearly ou of it and it isn't worth it to risk those last seconds.

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it was a gift for jcc
steele, im sure heard the 10 second notification and probably knew the difference between 1 second going by and 8 seconds going by
im sure he was rewarded for his brilliant and fair stoppage of the fight

I started a new thread on this topic for everyones opinions

LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO are we talking about the same Samuel Peter thats he throws shots from the side angle which is where James blocks the punches? You beat James Toney with straight shots not looping ones ;D

peter hasnt shown any real development since the wlad fight and toney is just too slick and able to overcome peters lack of skills....

a one sided toney decision IMO....

Toney is 37 years old, and never been known for his discipline. He ain't coming into this fight in shape. I think Peter's gonna walk straight through his punches, via Byrd/Ibeabuchi.

He'll get caught being off balance.

IF Toney can come in in half way decent shape then he boxes Peters ears off. But if he comes in like he did against Rahman then its a toss up with the edge going to Toney. Peter just does not have the skills to stay with anybody with good movement and defense.

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Originally Posted by TyBuff

IF Toney can come in in half way decent shape then he boxes Peters ears off. But if he comes in like he did against Rahman then its a toss up with the edge going to Toney. Peter just does not have the skills to stay with anybody with good movement and defense.

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That's a rather large "If".

Go James!

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Originally Posted by frozensolid_702

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i gotta give the edge to james toney if he can get his fat a** in half way decent shape

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until he gets hit.....he has never been hit by a true banger.....Rahman doesn't count....

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What in the hell are you talking about, Rahman doesn't count... THat's all Rahman can do is punch...and he hit Toney with some big right hands... Peter basically sucks, imo... He is a sloth, Toney would make him look absolutely silly... I think if Wlad fought him again he could KO him fairly quickly, and I think that was a piss poor performance by Wlad in the first fight, people give him major props for that win... I see it as him almost being KOed by a total amatuer who had nowhere near the same physical tools, and isn't even on the same planet in terms of skill... I mean really, Wlad handled him just fine except for the 4 times Peter landed a punch on him, Toney can handle punches just fine, so he would beat him easier, imo, because he wouldn't have the mental baggage that Wlad did in that fight... I mean that may as well have been Wlads pro debut all over again he was just there to shake off his nerves and get comfortable.

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Besides totally bagging on Peter too much, I tend to agree. James Toney does have a great chin and Wlad does get a little too much credit for that win. Peteri is one dimensional that is for sure, but he has great power, chin and heart. Unless he improves his fundamentals he is probably gonna be a Tua or Shavers type of guy in the HW divsion for the next few years. The kind of guy who could KO anyone, but can be outboxed. I think this is a dumb move for Peter, he needs a guy like Mccline, Maskeav(after he fights Rahman), or Lance Whitaker or someone. Maybe Monte Barret. But James Toney is a master boxer and it's gonna be a tuff fight for Peter, less James comes in at 300 lbs or some ridiculous fukin thing.

Peter is tailor-made for Toney.

Even a lazy Toney, like the one who fought Rahman, would probably beat Samuel. He comes forward and presses the action, and has little or no defence. James will have a field day.

Of course, some might say well Rahman went forward with Toney and had success, but Rahman is a very fit, very athletic heavyweight, and he was determined as hell. Peter can't maintain that kind of workrate.

And of course I doubt Toney will come in to this bout in as bad shape as he was for Rock.

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Originally Posted by The_Mac10

Peter is tailor-made for Toney.

Even a lazy Toney, like the one who fought Rahman, would probably beat Samuel. He comes forward and presses the action, and has little or no defence. James will have a field day.

Of course, some might say well Rahman went forward with Toney and had success, but Rahman is a very fit, very athletic heavyweight, and he was determined as hell. Peter can't maintain that kind of workrate.

And of course I doubt Toney will come in to this bout in as bad shape as he was for Rock.

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i gotta feeling that toney trys to get into some kind of shape (besides round) for this fight
he has to realize how important this fight is and he has to know that he needs to BOX well for 12 rounds cuz if sam peter catches him with a good shot hes gonna go down.
i like toney by lopsided ud

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Originally Posted by The_Mac10

Peter is tailor-made for Toney.

Even a lazy Toney, like the one who fought Rahman, would probably beat Samuel. He comes forward and presses the action, and has little or no defence. James will have a field day.

Of course, some might say well Rahman went forward with Toney and had success, but Rahman is a very fit, very athletic heavyweight, and he was determined as hell. Peter can't maintain that kind of workrate.

And of course I doubt Toney will come in to this bout in as bad shape as he was for Rock.

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i gotta feeling that toney trys to get into some kind of shape (besides round) for this fight
he has to realize how important this fight is and he has to know that he needs to BOX well for 12 rounds cuz if sam peter catches him with a good shot hes gonna go down.
i like toney by lopsided ud

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Everybody thought that with the Rahman fight too, and he still came in FAT. I am not sure that Toney has the discipline anymore to stay in good fighting shape.

They said that when he balloned upto 200Lbs the first time, but he got back down.

His weight has fluctuated widely his whole career, especially after the Jones Jr. loss.

168 to 175 to God knows what, back down, Cruiser, heavy...

He knows he was fortunate not to lose the Rahman fight, and hopefully he'll get back on track. I know what you mean though. As he ages it must be getting tougher for him. And now that he's a HW he doesn't HAVE to make a specific weight, so while he will train to bring it down, in the back of his mind he must be thinking 'I don't need to hit a target, I'm a heavyweight'

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They said that when he balloned upto 200Lbs the first time, but he got back down.

His weight has fluctuated widely his whole career, especially after the Jones Jr. loss.

168 to 175 to God knows what, back down, Cruiser, heavy...

He knows he was fortunate not to lose the Rahman fight, and hopefully he'll get back on track. I know what you mean though. As he ages it must be getting tougher for him. And now that he's a HW he doesn't HAVE to make a specific weight, so while he will train to bring it down, in the back of his mind he must be thinking 'I don't need to hit a target, I'm a heavyweight'

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true, but......................
i think james knows that for this fight he needs to worry about NOT getting hit
toney has it in him and he has to know how important this fight is for him cuz if he loses, he gets knocked down a few rungs on the heavyweight ladder
this is make it or break it for fat boy
hes not gonna win this fight if he comes in looking the way he did in the rahman fight

One thing I hate about Toney is that he is good enough to take over the division if he got his weight back down to 220lbs or lower. He has tremendous skills and can outbox 99% of the heavies out there.

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Originally Posted by TyBuff

One thing I hate about Toney is that he is good enough to take over the division if he got his weight back down to 220lbs or lower. He has tremendous skills and can outbox 99% of the heavies out there.

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True.. He's just been lazy. Even at his age, Toney could beat them.

I really don't see Toney taking this fight.

This would be a stupid move on his part.

He has way more talent than Baby Huey, which isn't saying a lot, but he doesn't have the power to knock Baby Huey out and he can't allow himself to get hit once or else he will go to sleep!

Totally dumb matchup for Toney.

Peter's just gotta throw a lot of punches and go to the body, hit Toney's arms, shoulders, sides, anywhere and then maybe James will gas out and get caught late. But otherwise its a good style matchup for James, Peter doesn't have a jab like Rahman's that can win him rounds just on activity, and he only throws looping punches, and usually one at a time. If he just headhunts with one punch at a time he'll be missing all night.

As far as Toney coming in at a lighter weight, I'll believe it when I see it. Being a big Toney fan its just tiresome how little he cares about his career in between bouts.