Winkys a damn baby

That was a great fight. All I see on this board is cry cry cry :'( winky didnt win. Then winky himself shows a classless act by cutting JT down so low and comparing him to the vargas fight. You've got to be kidding me. ??? JT, shows class and says how great a fighter winky is. I get tired of all this crap about JT. If winky or bhop had gotten decisions over JT, everyone would give all credit to them and say how great they are. All you JT haters kiss need to accept the MIDDLEWEIGHT CHAMP AND SHOW A LITTLE RESPECT! Winky dont even want to fight JT again. HMMM..... could it be because JT hurt winky like hes never been hurt in a fight before? I think so.

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That was a great fight. All I see on this board is cry cry cry :'( winky didnt win. Then winky himself shows a classless act by cutting JT down so low and comparing him to the vargas fight. You've got to be kidding me. ??? JT, shows class and says how great a fighter winky is. I get tired of all this crap about JT. If winky or bhop had gotten decisions over JT, everyone would give all credit to them and say how great they are. All you JT haters kiss need to accept the MIDDLEWEIGHT CHAMP AND SHOW A LITTLE RESPECT! Winky dont even want to fight JT again. HMMM..... could it be because JT hurt winky like hes never been hurt in a fight before? I think so.

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Winky's been hurt a lot worse than that.

You'd cry too if you were fighting for history & everything was on the line.

Yep. and it was like the Vargas fight. Winky won, they gave it to the unbeaten Olympian... go figure ;D

yup...j.t would of ran away with the win if it wasn't for his eye swelling up and not being able to see which was cause by headbutts...winky don't want j.t again because he had the advantage when taylors eye swell but he still couldn't capitalize...welcome j.t to p4p top rank...

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Yep. and it was like the Vargas fight. Winky won, they gave it to the unbeaten Olympian... go figure ;D

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that was nothing like vargas vs winky...winky fell to the fairy tale of bad decision...he knew it would happen and still didn't take it to taylor even when taylor had a swollen eye...winky didin't deserve the win...he should of capitalize on taylor not being able to see but he didn't so no he didn't win that fight...

Wacko with all respect if he was fighting for history he should have done a better job ;)

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That was a great fight. All I see on this board is cry cry cry :'( winky didnt win. Then winky himself shows a classless act by cutting JT down so low and comparing him to the vargas fight. You've got to be kidding me. ??? JT, shows class and says how great a fighter winky is. I get tired of all this crap about JT. If winky or bhop had gotten decisions over JT, everyone would give all credit to them and say how great they are. All you JT haters kiss need to accept the MIDDLEWEIGHT CHAMP AND SHOW A LITTLE RESPECT! Winky dont even want to fight JT again. HMMM..... could it be because JT hurt winky like hes never been hurt in a fight before? I think so.

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totally agree ;D

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Yep. and it was like the Vargas fight. Winky won, they gave it to the unbeaten Olympian... go figure ;D

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Taylor will never get respect on this board no matter what he does. If he would have KO'd winky, everyone would have said, LUcky shot. Winkys lucky JTs eye took the headbutt or he would have finished winky before the 12th

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That was a great fight. All I see on this board is cry cry cry :'( winky didnt win. Then winky himself shows a classless act by cutting JT down so low and comparing him to the vargas fight. You've got to be kidding me. ??? JT, shows class and says how great a fighter winky is. I get tired of all this crap about JT. If winky or bhop had gotten decisions over JT, everyone would give all credit to them and say how great they are. All you JT haters kiss need to accept the MIDDLEWEIGHT CHAMP AND SHOW A LITTLE RESPECT! Winky dont even want to fight JT again. HMMM..... could it be because JT hurt winky like hes never been hurt in a fight before? I think so.

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Winky's been hurt a lot worse than that.

You'd cry too if you were fighting for history & everything was on the line.

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dont know about that, winky looked great in this fight but cmon he was getting worn down by those blows. Even in the end he was a bit apprehensive to go inside after taylor challenged him in the corner.

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this board ???

what you on... try reading all the posts before you go off on a rant.

To all you in this thread giving taylor his due credit.....thankyou. It is good to see there are some here that acutally call it like it is.

Winky was crying like a damn baby. He was acting like he won convincingly, when IMO it was either a draw or a Taylor win.

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this board ???

what you on... try reading all the posts before you go off on a rant.

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Whos ranting? and have you read these threads lately. All I have seen is Taylor hate

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To all you in this thread giving taylor his due credit.....thankyou. It is good to see there are some here that acutally call it like it is.

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Your'e welcome. ::**

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this board ???

what you on... try reading all the posts before you go off on a rant.

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Whos ranting? and have you read these threads lately. All I have seen is Taylor hate

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re read this thread ;)

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this board ???

what you on... try reading all the posts before you go off on a rant.

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Whos ranting? and have you read these threads lately. All I have seen is Taylor hate

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I'm not hating on Taylor...he didn't win that fight or the first Hopkins fight convincingly & just because people are discussing the pros & cons of the "Middleweight Championship of the World" doesn't equate to hate.

they robbed winky...i saw it first hand ringside....but now i'll watch the tape since many of you think otherwise...but ringside winky clearly won..i had it 116-112....and i was saying while standing there watching it..."they're going to rob him like they did against vargas" and what do you i come home and someone say's "it was just like vargas"

well i watch the tape..and see for sure if wink was robbed...but again ringside it looked like he was robbed...

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this board ???

what you on... try reading all the posts before you go off on a rant.

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Whos ranting? and have you read these threads lately. All I have seen is Taylor hate

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re read this thread ;)
I made this thread because of all the taylor hate and winky love in all the other threads thats all. I appreciate you and some of the others in this thread calling it like it is, thats me too. I think it was a great fight, I think they should do it again. I like winky too. But I dont like to see him cry like a baby when he should be happy with a re match that jermaine clearly offered him or anyone else in the ring during larry merchants interview.

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they robbed winky...i saw it first hand ringside....but now i'll watch the tape since many of you think otherwise...but ringside winky clearly won..i had it 116-112....and i was saying while standing there watching it..."they're going to rob him like they did against vargas" and what do you i come home and someone say's "it was just like vargas"

well i watch the tape..and see for sure if wink was robbed...but again ringside it looked like he was robbed...

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Winky was not robbed. I had Taylor by a point. The only way this fight is similar to the Vargas fight is that Wright again allows himself to be out worked in the final rounds.

The only person robbed was Taylor. He deserved the win. Winky had his chance in the last two rounds with taylor damaged, and he chose not to take it to him. He sat back and didn't throw many punches. His own fault for not grasping the brass ring when it was in his control to do so.

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Originally Posted by sexydarin

The only person robbed was Taylor. He deserved the win. Winky had his chance in the last two rounds with taylor damaged, and he chose not to take it to him. He sat back and didn't throw many punches. His own fault for not grasping the brass ring when it was in his control to do so.

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Exactly. Winky was being a baby last night. First, not being professional enough to stay in the ring and do an interview and making HBO go back to his locker room to interview him and then calling this fight equal to the Vargas fight and whining about the result when everyone (including me) had Winky by one point going into the last round, a round that he decided to take off for some reason. That's the problem with great boxers, sometimes they try and score the fight in their heads, instead of trying to fight all 12 rounds. If Winky doesn't wanna rematch then he should go fight JoeCal.

It was a very close fight, closer than both the Hopkins Taylor fights in my opinion but a draw was fair.

I do think the swelling clearly affected Jermain in the last couple rounds so I'd favour him to beat Winky in a rematch.

Winky did a great job though, and it was probably the best and most competative fight of the year so far.

10/10 for excitment, gotta see it again.

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Originally Posted by jman

That was a great fight. All I see on this board is cry cry cry :'( winky didnt win. Then winky himself shows a classless act by cutting JT down so low and comparing him to the vargas fight. You've got to be kidding me. ??? JT, shows class and says how great a fighter winky is. I get tired of all this crap about JT. If winky or bhop had gotten decisions over JT, everyone would give all credit to them and say how great they are. All you JT haters kiss need to accept the MIDDLEWEIGHT CHAMP AND SHOW A LITTLE RESPECT! Winky dont even want to fight JT again. HMMM..... could it be because JT hurt winky like hes never been hurt in a fight before? I think so.

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he was interviewed after a tremendous fight.....If you weren't emotional after a fight like that you're not just wrong you're dead....he was just frustrated....he won the fight...and he was frustrated...

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they robbed winky...i saw it first hand ringside....but now i'll watch the tape since many of you think otherwise...but ringside winky clearly won..i had it 116-112....and i was saying while standing there watching it..."they're going to rob him like they did against vargas" and what do you i come home and someone say's "it was just like vargas"

well i watch the tape..and see for sure if wink was robbed...but again ringside it looked like he was robbed...

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I think you had 1 too many mojitos at ringside. 116 to 112 is just nonsense. Were you judging on how many times they flinch or something?

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The only person robbed was Taylor. He deserved the win. Winky had his chance in the last two rounds with taylor damaged, and he chose not to take it to him. He sat back and didn't throw many punches. His own fault for not grasping the brass ring when it was in his control to do so.

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Exactly. Winky was being a baby last night. First, not being professional enough to stay in the ring and do an interview and making HBO go back to his locker room to interview him and then calling this fight equal to the Vargas fight and whining about the result when everyone (including me) had Winky by one point going into the last round, a round that he decided to take off for some reason. That's the problem with great boxers, sometimes they try and score the fight in their heads, instead of trying to fight all 12 rounds. If Winky doesn't wanna rematch then he should go fight JoeCal.

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Don't think moving up again would be good 4 Winky, He looked bothered by Taylor's power and JC a big supermiddle weight, I think he should take the rematch and probably will when he's time to calm down and look back at the whole thing. It was a great fight, I thought the draw was a fair result so lets see it again!!

Winky is a baby, he's damn lucky he got the draw considering Taylor is the champion and did enough to win...He got outworked, simple as.
And the fight with Vagras wasn't robbery and could of gone either way

Thats a decent point you've made ONE, I always feel it us up to the challenger to take the belts off the champion to some degree. I still feel the result was a pretty decent one as it was a close contest and a cracking one at that. With the point about taking the belts off the champion I reckon that is why Hopkins was pretty unlucky to lose the first fight with Taylor and in an very similar second contest the result was right. Good old boxing eh - youve got to love it.

Winky is a baby. i bet he was so shocked to realise how good a boxer/puncher taylor is!
excellent skill man!
At times WINKY was getting out jabbed, even his own crowd looked worried towards the end!
winky even got rocked a couple of timez. I REALLY DONT KNOW WHAT IN THE BLUE MOON MADE HIM THINK HE WAS WINNING IN THE 12TH that made him start dancing around like a little girl. WATCH JEFF LACY IN THE BACK GROUND TELLING HIM TO FINISH IT, COS HE KNEW THE SCORE!

Ever since Taylor beat hopkins, i knew he was special, especially after the hopv tarver, no matter how boring the fight, i knew taylor had the brains of a boxer, and could fight etc, he will make a lot of defenses of the title in the future.

by the way it was nice to see LACY in the crowd (he was infront of mayweather jr) does anyone know whats happening with him, there is hardly any mention of him. has he changed his style a little, is he improving? has he improved?

Taylor made it look like more of a fight than it actually wasm by staying in the corners too much. Winky totally dominated the corner action, while taylor totally dominated in the center of the ring. If there is a rematch, i would suggest Taylor stay the hell out of the corners and keep those damn hands up.

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Winky is a baby. i bet he was so shocked to realise how good a boxer/puncher taylor is!
excellent skill man!
At times WINKY was getting out jabbed, even his own crowd looked worried towards the end!
winky even got rocked a couple of timez. I REALLY DONT KNOW WHAT IN THE BLUE MOON MADE HIM THINK HE WAS WINNING IN THE 12TH that made him start dancing around like a little girl. WATCH JEFF LACY IN THE BACK GROUND TELLING HIM TO FINISH IT, COS HE KNEW THE SCORE!

Ever since Taylor beat hopkins, i knew he was special, especially after the hopv tarver, no matter how boring the fight, i knew taylor had the brains of a boxer, and could fight etc, he will make a lot of defenses of the title in the future.

by the way it was nice to see LACY in the crowd (he was infront of mayweather jr) does anyone know whats happening with him, there is hardly any mention of him. has he changed his style a little, is he improving? has he improved?

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The last I heard he was going back into the gym in May after a vacation and he will fight in October. This was all from a March interview. Dying to hear more.

Taylor's good points:

has a high workrate
good power
fast

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sloppy and wild
bad defense
maybe a stamina issue, via the last few rounds where he seems to be gassed

You could be right about the stamina issue but I don't think the state of his swollen eye gave him much chance in the last couple of rounds. You need to be fully functioning when you are in against guys as good as winky. Think Taylor did well in the last couple of rounds considering his lack of vision.

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You could be right about the stamina issue but I don't think the state of his swollen eye gave him much chance in the last couple of rounds. You need to be fully functioning when you are in against guys as good as winky. Think Taylor did well in the last couple of rounds considering his lack of vision.

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yeah, that's true...
I think the swollen eye was contributed by Taylor's defense, should of kept his hands up higher.

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It was a very close fight, closer than both the Hopkins Taylor fights in my opinion but a draw was fair.

I do think the swelling clearly affected Jermain in the last couple rounds so I'd favour him to beat Winky in a rematch.

Winky did a great job though, and it was probably the best and most competative fight of the year so far.

10/10 for excitment, gotta see it again.

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Let me just say this...I like both fighters...but I wanted Wright to win...& I think that he did.

Watch the fight again & check out that first headbutt. It totally took Wright out of his game. Wright still came back & did what he does...effective aggression. Wright backed Taylor up the entire fight...maybe a few rounds he took off to rest...but that should not have happened against the Undisputed Middleweight Champion of the World...hence the reason that Taylor's position is so disputed.

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It was a very close fight, closer than both the Hopkins Taylor fights in my opinion but a draw was fair.

I do think the swelling clearly affected Jermain in the last couple rounds so I'd favour him to beat Winky in a rematch.

Winky did a great job though, and it was probably the best and most competative fight of the year so far.

10/10 for excitment, gotta see it again.

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Let me just say this...I like both fighters...but I wanted Wright to win...& I think that he did.

Watch the fight again & check out that first headbutt. It totally took Wright out of his game. Wright still came back & did what he does...effective aggression. Wright backed Taylor up the entire fight...maybe a few rounds he took off to rest...but that should not have happened against the Undisputed Middleweight Champion of the World...hence the reason that Taylor's position is so disputed.

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Wright came forward half the fight, and fought in center half the fight. Winky dominated on the ropes, Taylor dominated in the center. Personally, if Winky would have kept the steady output for the last few rounds, he might have won. But I think he was nearly gassed himself, and couldn't keep up the pressure. Taylor was actually punching his way off the ropes the last few rounds.

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You could be right about the stamina issue but I don't think the state of his swollen eye gave him much chance in the last couple of rounds. You need to be fully functioning when you are in against guys as good as winky. Think Taylor did well in the last couple of rounds considering his lack of vision.

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He is right about the defense.

I've long been a fan of Taylor's...but to be a fan I think that you have to look at everything that makes or breaks your fighter.

Taylor concentrates on his power too much...he relies on it. It will be his downfall. Taylor's got an open defense as he always jabs & drops his guard to marvel at what his piston like jab did to the opponent. He's grown accustomed to hearing what a machine he is & he's been believing in the hype for the last 2-3 years.

You can't get set in your ways because anything can & will happen.

Stamina is another prob for Taylor as is relying on the power...it kind of goes hand in hand. The power that doesnt work results in the lack of stamina because he's waiting on power to take over & do the job when he is outmatched skill for skill.

Wright won that fight.

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It was a very close fight, closer than both the Hopkins Taylor fights in my opinion but a draw was fair.

I do think the swelling clearly affected Jermain in the last couple rounds so I'd favour him to beat Winky in a rematch.

Winky did a great job though, and it was probably the best and most competative fight of the year so far.

10/10 for excitment, gotta see it again.

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Let me just say this...I like both fighters...but I wanted Wright to win...& I think that he did.

Watch the fight again & check out that first headbutt. It totally took Wright out of his game. Wright still came back & did what he does...effective aggression. Wright backed Taylor up the entire fight...maybe a few rounds he took off to rest...but that should not have happened against the Undisputed Middleweight Champion of the World...hence the reason that Taylor's position is so disputed.

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I think Taylor was more affected by the headbutt that was responsible for his eye ballooning up, watch him pawing at it immediatley after the clash.

As far as him backing Taylor up, Wright's style is to come forward so I don't see the big deal there. Taylor's punches looked by far the more powerful, a few times Winky looked hurt and discourage whereas apart from the swollen eye, which was caused by a butt Taylor never looked hurt at all.

Still, great fight though, I think a rematch is inevitable and should be the most eagerly awaited fight this winter.

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You could be right about the stamina issue but I don't think the state of his swollen eye gave him much chance in the last couple of rounds. You need to be fully functioning when you are in against guys as good as winky. Think Taylor did well in the last couple of rounds considering his lack of vision.

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He is right about the defense.

I've long been a fan of Taylor's...but to be a fan I think that you have to look at everything that makes or breaks your fighter.

Taylor concentrates on his power too much...he relies on it. It will be his downfall. Taylor's got an open defense as he always jabs & drops his guard to marvel at what his piston like jab did to the opponent. He's grown accustomed to hearing what a machine he is & he's been believing in the hype for the last 2-3 years.

You can't get set in your ways because anything can & will happen.

Stamina is another prob for Taylor as is relying on the power...it kind of goes hand in hand. The power that doesnt work results in the lack of stamina because he's waiting on power to take over & do the job when he is outmatched skill for skill.

Wright won that fight.

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Taylor has been known jabs rather than power punches throughout his career. Wright just negated his jab. As for his stamina, Winky looked gassed way earlier than Taylor. He was fighting for all 12 rounds without taking rounds off. I don't understand talking about Taylor believing the hype. There isn't a more modest boxer in the sport. He didn't say I won, he said good fight.

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You could be right about the stamina issue but I don't think the state of his swollen eye gave him much chance in the last couple of rounds. You need to be fully functioning when you are in against guys as good as winky. Think Taylor did well in the last couple of rounds considering his lack of vision.

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He is right about the defense.

I've long been a fan of Taylor's...but to be a fan I think that you have to look at everything that makes or breaks your fighter.

Taylor concentrates on his power too much...he relies on it. It will be his downfall. Taylor's got an open defense as he always jabs & drops his guard to marvel at what his piston like jab did to the opponent. He's grown accustomed to hearing what a machine he is & he's been believing in the hype for the last 2-3 years.

You can't get set in your ways because anything can & will happen.

Stamina is another prob for Taylor as is relying on the power...it kind of goes hand in hand. The power that doesnt work results in the lack of stamina because he's waiting on power to take over & do the job when he is outmatched skill for skill.

Wright won that fight.

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You make a lot of good points there. I can't argue one way or the other about the decision as if Winky got it I don't think it would have been an injustice but equally so for Taylor as it was a really close good fight. I agree Taylor does rely heavilly on his power and I reckon this is a lot of the reason the guy is good to watch as he is vulnerable as well. I am a big fan of both these guys and pretty much all the decent fighters in the game today. One things for sure it was a great fight and there are lot of good match ups we have already this year and it looks like it will keep going in the right direction for boxing.

Who was the Promoters fighter, just curiuos

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To all you in this thread giving taylor his due credit.....thankyou. It is good to see there are some here that acutally call it like it is.

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Your'e welcome. ::**

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Thing is we ARE giving Taylor his due credit, he still lost the fight all credit given ;)

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To all you in this thread giving taylor his due credit.....thankyou. It is good to see there are some here that acutally call it like it is.

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Your'e welcome. ::**

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Thing is we ARE giving Taylor his due credit, he still lost the fight all credit given ;)

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I don't think its Taylor that needs due credit, its the judges. It was a good close fight, and couldn't have been scored any better. It could have easily gone either way.