winkys blocking of j.t punches still hurts...
winky defence with both his hands up to block j.t punches didn't help him...those punches got threw no matter if you had your gloves in the way...the impact still reaches the back of your head...and j.t threw a lot of them plus the body punches...look at winkys face...he hasn't been hit that much all of his career...and winky doesn't have enough power to worry taylor...
winky played it off that night...j.t is the toughest his been in with...give some credit to taylor...it was a great fight...but if it wasn't for j.t getting headbutt...taylor would of stop or gotten the ud...
lets put it to rest because really winky should of won that fight, he had taylor where he wanted him, taylor with a close eye and despret for one round, but winky didn't capitalize winky didn't listen to his corner to fight and finish strong in the 12...
winky don't want a rematch i think because he knows taylor is tough and is the first to rock him...plus j.t is still young he'll learn not to fight on the ropes and beat winky in the middle for the rematch...
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Julio Cesar Vasquez rocked Winky, knocking him down 5 times in one fight!!
I had Winky ahead by one round, although there were a few debatable ones.
I think the draw calling was justified only because Winky did not control the fight.
If he had the energy to blaze JT in the 12th he would have got a MD or SD.
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Originally Posted by killersheep
Julio Cesar Vasquez rocked Winky, knocking him down 5 times in one fight!!
I had Winky ahead by one round, although there were a few debatable ones.
I think the draw calling was justified only because Winky did not control the fight.
If he had the energy to blaze JT in the 12th he would have got a MD or SD.
true...cc for it
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Originally Posted by babyboNe
winky played it off that night...j.t is the toughest his been in with...give some credit to taylor...it was a great fight...but if it wasn't for j.t getting headbutt...taylor would of stop or gotten the ud...
You say that like it's some sort of fact ::** THE FIGHT WASN'T EVEN GOING TAYLOR'S WAY DURING THE HEADBUTT. And you seem to forget that Wright lost a round because of a headbutt.
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Originally Posted by babyboNe
winky don't want a rematch i think because he knows taylor is tough and is the first to rock him...plus j.t is still young he'll learn not to fight on the ropes and beat winky in the middle for the rematch...
Winky thought he won the fight, you have to understand that he had reached this big time stage before...in 1998. He fought Fernando Vargas and in a fight similar to this one (but with Wright winning more rounds), he lost the decision in favor of an HBO fighter ;) Now it takes him 6 years to get back on the top, he beats Mosley twice and Trinidad. He fights an HBO fighter and....well it's de ja vu. He's still pretty dejected right now, and I think the no rematch thing was heat of the moment. He doesn't want to put himself through that again. But since there are really no bigger and better fights out there....I envision them going again.
Now I'm not saying HBO pulled any strings, but I bet a lot of people, even a few people within the Winky camp think so.
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Originally Posted by killersheep
Julio Cesar Vasquez rocked Winky, knocking him down 5 times in one fight!!
I had Winky ahead by one round, although there were a few debatable ones.
I think the draw calling was justified only because Winky did not control the fight.
If he had the energy to blaze JT in the 12th he would have got a MD or SD.
my friend, i believe you're the second to claim this avatar.
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Originally Posted by SecondRoundKO
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Originally Posted by babyboNe
winky played it off that night...j.t is the toughest his been in with...give some credit to taylor...it was a great fight...but if it wasn't for j.t getting headbutt...taylor would of stop or gotten the ud...
You say that like it's some sort of fact ::** THE FIGHT WASN'T EVEN GOING TAYLOR'S WAY DURING THE HEADBUTT. And you seem to forget that Wright lost a round because of a headbutt.
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Originally Posted by babyboNe
winky don't want a rematch i think because he knows taylor is tough and is the first to rock him...plus j.t is still young he'll learn not to fight on the ropes and beat winky in the middle for the rematch...
Winky thought he won the fight, you have to understand that he had reached this big time stage before...in 1998. He fought Fernando Vargas and in a fight similar to this one (but with Wright winning more rounds), he lost the decision in favor of an HBO fighter ;) Now it takes him 6 years to get back on the top, he beats Mosley twice and Trinidad. He fights an HBO fighter and....well it's de ja vu. He's still pretty dejected right now, and I think the no rematch thing was heat of the moment. He doesn't want to put himself through that again. But since there are really no bigger and better fights out there....I envision them going again.
Now I'm not saying HBO pulled any strings, but I bet a lot of people, even a few people within the Winky camp think so.
Have you watched the Vagras-Winky fight?
Harold Leddermen had the fight 2 points ahead for Winky, and imo the fight could of gone either way
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Originally Posted by babyboNe
winky defence with both his hands up to block j.t punches didn't help him...those punches got threw no matter if you had your gloves in the way...the impact still reaches the back of your head...and j.t threw a lot of them plus the body punches...look at winkys face...he hasn't been hit that much all of his career...and winky doesn't have enough power to worry taylor...
winky played it off that night...j.t is the toughest his been in with...give some credit to taylor...it was a great fight...but if it wasn't for j.t getting headbutt...taylor would of stop or gotten the ud...
lets put it to rest because really winky should of won that fight, he had taylor where he wanted him, taylor with a close eye and despret for one round, but winky didn't capitalize winky didn't listen to his corner to fight and finish strong in the 12...
winky don't want a rematch i think because he knows taylor is tough and is the first to rock him...plus j.t is still young he'll learn not to fight on the ropes and beat winky in the middle for the rematch...
NO SHIT that still hurts!!!!!!especially from a puncher like taylor!!!!I think if Jermain went to the body more it would have paid dividents it would of slowed winky down and he would start dropping his guard
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Originally Posted by SecondRoundKO
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Originally Posted by babyboNe
winky played it off that night...j.t is the toughest his been in with...give some credit to taylor...it was a great fight...but if it wasn't for j.t getting headbutt...taylor would of stop or gotten the ud...
You say that like it's some sort of fact ::** THE FIGHT WASN'T EVEN GOING TAYLOR'S WAY DURING THE HEADBUTT. And you seem to forget that Wright lost a round because of a headbutt.
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Originally Posted by babyboNe
winky don't want a rematch i think because he knows taylor is tough and is the first to rock him...plus j.t is still young he'll learn not to fight on the ropes and beat winky in the middle for the rematch...
Winky thought he won the fight, you have to understand that he had reached this big time stage before...in 1998. He fought Fernando Vargas and in a fight similar to this one (but with Wright winning more rounds), he lost the decision in favor of an HBO fighter ;) Now it takes him 6 years to get back on the top, he beats Mosley twice and Trinidad. He fights an HBO fighter and....well it's de ja vu. He's still pretty dejected right now, and I think the no rematch thing was heat of the moment. He doesn't want to put himself through that again. But since there are really no bigger and better fights out there....I envision them going again.
Now I'm not saying HBO pulled any strings, but I bet a lot of people, even a few people within the Winky camp think so.
yea a bad decision has happened to him before...it was against vargas...he should of been smart enought to not let it happen again...not finishing strong like what his corner told him to do going out for the 12 was winkys fualt...plus this was a draw a fair decision...a win wasn't taken from winky nor a lose was given to him by the judges...it was that he didn't capitalize at the advantage he had that night with j.t thats why it was a draw...
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I think if Jermain was what he was supposed to be then hed beat a light middle weight non puncher like a supposedly heavy handed middle is supposed to do
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Originally Posted by The_One77
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Originally Posted by SecondRoundKO
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Originally Posted by babyboNe
winky played it off that night...j.t is the toughest his been in with...give some credit to taylor...it was a great fight...but if it wasn't for j.t getting headbutt...taylor would of stop or gotten the ud...
You say that like it's some sort of fact ::** THE FIGHT WASN'T EVEN GOING TAYLOR'S WAY DURING THE HEADBUTT. And you seem to forget that Wright lost a round because of a headbutt.
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Originally Posted by babyboNe
winky don't want a rematch i think because he knows taylor is tough and is the first to rock him...plus j.t is still young he'll learn not to fight on the ropes and beat winky in the middle for the rematch...
Winky thought he won the fight, you have to understand that he had reached this big time stage before...in 1998. He fought Fernando Vargas and in a fight similar to this one (but with Wright winning more rounds), he lost the decision in favor of an HBO fighter ;) Now it takes him 6 years to get back on the top, he beats Mosley twice and Trinidad. He fights an HBO fighter and....well it's de ja vu. He's still pretty dejected right now, and I think the no rematch thing was heat of the moment. He doesn't want to put himself through that again. But since there are really no bigger and better fights out there....I envision them going again.
Now I'm not saying HBO pulled any strings, but I bet a lot of people, even a few people within the Winky camp think so.
Have you watched the Vagras-Winky fight?
Harold Leddermen had the fight 2 points ahead for Winky, and imo the fight could of gone either way
No way fella - a clear win for Winky - and that is a totally neutral opinion
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Blocked punches still hurt, but blocked punches still aren't landed punches to get you a point. Because they were blocked.
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Originally Posted by killersheep
Julio Cesar Vasquez rocked Winky, knocking him down 5 times in one fight!!
I had Winky ahead by one round, although there were a few debatable ones.
I think the draw calling was justified only because Winky did not control the fight.
If he had the energy to blaze JT in the 12th he would have got a MD or SD.
Vazquez fought a smaller Wright with a totally different more hit and move technique.
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Originally Posted by babyboNe
winky defence with both his hands up to block j.t punches didn't help him...those punches got threw no matter if you had your gloves in the way...the impact still reaches the back of your head...and j.t threw a lot of them plus the body punches...look at winkys face...he hasn't been hit that much all of his career...and winky doesn't have enough power to worry taylor...
winky played it off that night...j.t is the toughest his been in with...give some credit to taylor...it was a great fight...but if it wasn't for j.t getting headbutt...taylor would of stop or gotten the ud...
lets put it to rest because really winky should of won that fight, he had taylor where he wanted him, taylor with a close eye and despret for one round, but winky didn't capitalize winky didn't listen to his corner to fight and finish strong in the 12...
winky don't want a rematch i think because he knows taylor is tough and is the first to rock him...plus j.t is still young he'll learn not to fight on the ropes and beat winky in the middle for the rematch...
didn't you see Winky's face after the Soliman fight....He looked every bit as bad it not worse that after the Taylor fight.....He just swells up when he gets hit...and the verdict is still out on the rematch....
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Taylor won the fight and he would have won it by more if he kept out of the corners and didn't lose sight in the left eye. He would have knocked winky out.
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Originally Posted by sexydarin
Taylor won the fight and he would have won it by more if he kept out of the corners and didn't lose sight in the left eye. He would have knocked winky out.
i sooooooo............. agree with you. youre gonna get at least 1 cc from me
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Originally Posted by SecondRoundKO
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Originally Posted by babyboNe
winky played it off that night...j.t is the toughest his been in with...give some credit to taylor...it was a great fight...but if it wasn't for j.t getting headbutt...taylor would of stop or gotten the ud...
You say that like it's some sort of fact ::** THE FIGHT WASN'T EVEN GOING TAYLOR'S WAY DURING THE HEADBUTT. And you seem to forget that Wright lost a round because of a headbutt.
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Originally Posted by babyboNe
winky don't want a rematch i think because he knows taylor is tough and is the first to rock him...plus j.t is still young he'll learn not to fight on the ropes and beat winky in the middle for the rematch...
Winky thought he won the fight, you have to understand that he had reached this big time stage before...in 1998. He fought Fernando Vargas and in a fight similar to this one (but with Wright winning more rounds), he lost the decision in favor of an HBO fighter ;) Now it takes him 6 years to get back on the top, he beats Mosley twice and Trinidad. He fights an HBO fighter and....well it's de ja vu. He's still pretty dejected right now, and I think the no rematch thing was heat of the moment. He doesn't want to put himself through that again. But since there are really no bigger and better fights out there....I envision them going again.
Now I'm not saying HBO pulled any strings, but I bet a lot of people, even a few people within the Winky camp think so.
Did I even watch the Vargas fight? I wouldn't be commenting on the Vargas fight if I had never seen the Vargas fight ;)
I'm not saying anything about anything about Lampley or Merchant, but Vargas was an HBO fighter. And the fight was Winky's. No dobt about it. I don't care about Lampley or Merchant, they are just commentators who don't have any strings to pull. I'm not even saying that any strings were pulled, or if there are any strings :o But in Winky's mind, you know he is thinking about HBO. And that's what I was talking about.
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Bottom line is that no matter what...punch stats do not lie.
Taylor lost...agian...but got the decision.
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
Bottom line is that no matter what...punch stats do not lie.
Taylor lost...agian...but got the decision.
stop with your weak ass punch stats....
winky out landed taylor in 3 rounds alone by 30 of those punches.
winky outlanded taylor by like 60 that whole night.
i gve those 3 rounds to winky (with some others)
so if you break down the other 9 ROUNDS winky avraged barely over 3 punches ahead per round
are you telling me that those few shots by winky each round were more effective than jts shots?
seriously??
thought so.
theres your punch stat bs ;D
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
Bottom line is that no matter what...punch stats do not lie.
Taylor lost...agian...but got the decision.
Agreed. But it's not like punch stats tell the whole story. The fight is scored on a round to round basis and the fight is judged round to round but even then, Winky won the fight imo. And if Winky didn't win, it was a draw. No way he won the fight though, which is why it's so hard to make sense of the 115-113 scorecard from Giampa. Like I think you said...it wasn't the biggest robbery in the world, but I think it was one of the more meaningful ones.
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There have been worse decisions by far....I just dont see how people can say Taylor actually won the fight though, seriously a draw is the only the worst possible result Winky could have been given by a mediocre judge...
I still favour Winky in a rematch....
