Couldnt copy and paste this one but its an interview from Boxingtalk.com
http://www.boxingtalk.com/pag/article8650.html
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Couldnt copy and paste this one but its an interview from Boxingtalk.com
http://www.boxingtalk.com/pag/article8650.html
Its painful to see a grown man cry.
he called j.t hbo golden boy? last time i chech winky is an hbo fighter too...he need to blame himself for the draw and want the rematch if he really believe he won...
Winky, stop being a bitch and make the rematch happen..
Everytime he lost he never wanted to fight them again, coward.
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Originally Posted by jtrock
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Before we could get a question in, Winky Wright told Boxingtalk.com, "I know I won that fight. It was a great fight and I showed the fans that I could beat HBO's Golden Child. But I had to show them that it ain't over and I'm still here."<BR><BR><STRONG>GL: Was there anything about Taylor that surprised you at all?</STRONG><BR><BR>Winky Wright: "He surprised me by how much he could take. How much he took surprised me. I gave it to him upstairs, downstairs and he was hurt but he sucked it up and came on back. He definitlely got heart."<BR><BR><STRONG>GL: How do you feel about the fight being scored a draw?</STRONG><BR><BR>WW: "That's ludicrous, absolutely ludicrous. Everyone knows I won the fight. If you want to give him the first round, but I won the next four, then ok, I'll probably give him the sixth. But then seven, eight, nine ten I'm winning. Well, he probably won ten. I won eleven and by the twelfth round I had to be up. No way in the world it was no draw. They know I won the fight, you see the look on their face when they got the draw. They were happy with it because they know they lost. We was in their hometown and they was happy to get a draw."<BR><BR><STRONG>GL: Personally I thought you won the fight seven rounds to five. Compare this fight to the Vargas fight. Do you feel you won this fight more cleanly than you believe you won the Vargas fight?</STRONG><BR><BR>WW: "I don't really know, that Vargas shit was so long ago, but I know I won this fight. I took the fight to him and I brought the fight to him from round one. I gave them what they wanted and before the fight they were talking about all my defense, but what about the offense that he saw. All that talking about who got the best jab, I want to hear him say who got the best jab now."<BR><BR><STRONG>GL: Wink, it becomes difficult for you to hear him say anything when you don't show up to the post-fight press conference. Why did you not show up?</STRONG><BR><BR>WW: "Because. I ain't nothing to say to them but a bunch of motherfuck you's so I figured I'd just keep it to myself."<BR><BR><STRONG>GL: It was a great fight and the rematch is the fight everyone wants to see, a rematch is very sellable right now. Do you feel you did yourself a disservice by not showing up to demand the rematch immediately with all of the press there?</STRONG><BR><BR>WW: "Nope. I don't feel like I had to do none of that. It was a good fight and he came and showed up, but I definitely won the fight and I'm tired of them continuing to steal shit from me. It's bullshit."<BR><BR><STRONG>GL: Most people I speak to feel the fight was very close. Did you expect him to give you such a fight after dominating Mosley and Trinidad?</STRONG><BR><BR>WW: "I expected him to be tougher because he's bigger and stronger. Plus he never lost so he doesn't know how it feels to get hit and get hurt. I knew it was going to be tough. But I gave him four rounds and then they going to complain about me about not doing nothing in the twelfth round, but what did he do? I didn't run, I stood right in front of him and he stood right in front of me. He ain't do shit, and I definitely didn't feel I was behind so why should I go do something? He should have been the one to do something."<BR><BR><STRONG>GL: You seemed to fight the twelfth round as though you thought you won the fight and had Taylor to something drastic. Compared to the way you fought in the previous eleven, you were fighting like someone who thought they had the fight won.</STRONG><BR><BR>WW: "Yeah I knew I had the fight won, but he didn't do nothing. What did he do in the twelfth round that gives it to him? He didn't do nothing. Who made that fight what it was? I went to him. If he would have had his way he probably would have tried to jab around all day. I brought the fight to him and I made that fight exciting. I got inside and wanted to trade because I was trying to knock him out. I was the one who hurt him, he ain't hurt me."<BR><BR><STRONG>GL: You guys were trading combinations throughout the whole fight. There were several times where you let off a combination and then decided to take your foot off the gas to see if he was holding back. Was that the case and why didn't you keep letting them go in certain situations when you had him on the ropes?</STRONG><BR><BR>WW: "It was just, in certain situations I was catching him and hurting him but I knew he was going to come back with his little barrage. I was just trying to watch out for him because he was winging his shots and I didn't want to get caught with no wild shots, so I kept myself in a composed zone. In the ninth round I know I hit him on the button with a left and for all the people who say I can't punch, I buckled their big middleweight and stopped him dead in his tracks."<BR><BR><STRONG>GL: After the fight you said no rematch. Do you still feel that way?</STRONG><BR><BR>WW: "Yep."<BR><BR><STRONG>GL: Why</STRONG>?<BR><BR>WW: "Let me get this right, I ain't mad at Taylor. I'm mad at the judges. It was bullshit and we worked too motherfucking hard to get where we're at and do what we do for some motherfuckers who never been in the ring and don't know what it feels like to dodge a punch show favoritism because of where we're at and who the fighter is. He's an HBO fighter with an HBO coach and we on HBO. They're not supposed to be biased their supposed to judge the fight for the fight."<BR><BR><STRONG>GL: If you're going to stay at middleweight what other options are out there?</STRONG><BR><BR>WW: "I don't know if I'm going to stay at middleweight, I don't know what I'm going to do yet. I know I won that fight and everyone should know I won that fight. It's just a matter of who I'm going to fight, where and when and how much."<BR><BR><STRONG>GL: If somebody out there wants to negotiate with Winky Wright for a Winky Wright fight. Who is authorized to negotiate fights on Winky Wright's behalf?</STRONG><BR><BR>WW: "Winky Wright. Winky Wright, Jim Wilkes and Chris Lighty. But no decisions will be made until I give the final say so, but the only people to talk to are Chris Lighty and Jim Wilkes."<BR><BR><STRONG>GL: And promotionally speaking, it's Winky promotions, correct?</STRONG><BR><BR>WW: "Winky Wright is promoted by Winky Promotions. Winky is his own man and own promoter right now period. I have nothing against Gary Shaw but I'm doing my own thing. We might use Gary Shaw to do some things but it's Winky Promotions point blank."<BR><BR><STRONG>GL: When would you like to return to the ring?</STRONG><BR><BR>WW: "By September or October. I'm in good health and my hands are good and nothing ain't wrong, so I'll be good."<BR><BR><STRONG>GL: Do you think you surprised a lot of people with how aggressively you brought the fight to him?</STRONG><BR><BR>WW: "Definitely. I definitely surprised a lot of people. They think I can't punch and I showed them that this was supposed to be their Superman, who is big, strong and young and he wasn't faster than me. He's throwing those wide shots with everything on them and I was picking all of that off man."<BR><BR><STRONG>GL: What did you and Jermain say to each other in the ring?</STRONG><BR><BR>WW: "I just told him it was a hell of a fight. Good fight. Then when they gave the score I left."<BR><BR><STRONG>GL: Everytime I speak to you, you make it clear that you want to make the biggest and best fights out there. Obviously, after last night the fight people want to see Winky Wright in is the rematch.</STRONG><BR><BR>WW: "Well if they want to see the rematch and that's what they want and HBO brings that money to the plate they could have it. If not, then it ain't going to happen. They're going to bring it or it ain't going to happen."<BR><BR><STRONG>GL: Do you feel that having a draw with Jermain Taylor hurts your chances of getting a fight with Oscar?</STRONG><BR><BR>WW: "I don't know, but I don't think Oscar wants to fight me anyway. If Oscar wants to fight we'll fight, if not he could fight Floyd. I fight who wants to fight me, if he don't want to fight me so be it."<BR><BR>
:coolclick: Good Looking out for the computerly challenged, like I am.Quote:
Originally Posted by SalTheButcher
Have you ever boxed???? have you ever been Robbed??? If no then dont talk stupid...Quote:
Originally Posted by The_One77
I box and i have been robbed against a guy I beat 2 times.....it makes you feel like sh it when you hear the crowd cheering for you and then he gets the decision ( he gets to keep the belt in winky's case) It makes you want to go home and never box again...You feel like it just aint right that he is a favorite and you fight your heart out and then he gets the fight...
You dont know what you are talking about...Winky worked hard came from nothing and beat Jermaine...
Jermaine had everything from the Get go and now got another bullshit decision so he doesnt care...
good article....Winky has every right to be upset and he said the right things...he's not mad at Taylor...it was the judges fault.....the odds were against him and he overcame them...until the judges handed their cards in......Quote:
Originally Posted by jtrock
cc...I feel ya brother......you can control everything but the judges....Quote:
Originally Posted by Salhadin
Anyone...& I mean ANYONE that can't recognize why Wright is so upset has fallen prey to 2 things in boxing...marketing & blind devotion.
Both will come back to bite Taylor & HBO in the ass.
I'm a fan of Taylor...but I'm not blind to his faults or what just happened.
Wacks I have to agree with another post someone had "Jermain fights the fights he dosent judge them" or some shit like thatQuote:
Originally Posted by wacko3205
So basically, anyone who agrees with the outcome is blindly devoted? And I don't see how marketing could sway anyones opinion since Winky has been on the good end of the marketing stick for a long time. I think Hopkins won the first match, but since that fight Taylor can do nothing right in the public eye.Quote:
Originally Posted by wacko3205
Winky isn't doing himself any good by crying foul to the media, there are actual organizations that he can cry to where it might make a difference. I like Winky a lot, but he and his promoters are being jackasses by blaming Memphis, blaming the judges who aren't even from Memphis, and blaming HBO who he's happy to accept his paycheck from. I'll a $20 bet that says his next fight will also be on HBO. If he thinks he done such a good job, then why not take the rematch to Florida?
good read, jtrock :coolclick:
I think Winky won the fight, but it was close...he edged it 115:113 by my reckoning....if he really thinks he won all except 3 of the rounds then I think winky must be somewhat misguided...
Thanks brutha have one back :coolclick:Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
Honestly...yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by tuckwopat
There are too many people out there that refuse to acknowledge the fact that Jermain is a bit of a honey pot to HBO. The network is often notorious for pulling some WACK ass decisions that we are all suseptible to agreeing with just because they are the big boys.
What's funny is that everyone get's in an uproar over things for example like Augustus losing & Oscar losing but when a fighter that clearly lost & fell apart twice...no one cries over it. Then no one can take a bit of criticism over the kid...they can't even acknowledge his flaws. That's being blindly devoted.
Said it once...say it 1000+ times...the kid has the goods...he just don't know how to use them...hence the fact that he is not worthy to have those titles if he can't fight for them effectively.
Winky is far from the good end of marketing...read up on Wright...listen to the fans & listen to the media & you will here it...Quote:
Originally Posted by tuckwopat
Winky needs to good fighter across from him to look good & draw a crowd & blah blah blah.
Marketing has a lot to do with it.
If a few judges can sway a crowd over a few million screens...yeah...media has a lot to do with it.
Yeah...I think that Hopkins won the first match...but Taylor has done a lot in his fan's eyes.Quote:
Originally Posted by tuckwopat
The entire crowd was behind him against Wright till they saw him start to fall apart again in the late rounds.
Again...until you fight your best & get robbed...it's easy to say something like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by tuckwopat
Where else is Wright supposed to go? FNF's? Showtime?Quote:
Originally Posted by tuckwopat
I could be wrong...but I never heard Winky blame HBO. Again...I could be wrong...but one thing is for sure...Winky outlanded Taylor 103 of 335 jabs (31%) while Taylor landed 41 of 308 (13%). From a fighter that was to dominate with his jab...he didn't.
He didn't dominate period.
Throughout the entire fight Taylor landed 163 of 703 punches thrown (23%), & Wright landed 226 of 643 (35%).
I'm sorry...but throwing shots & being on the low end of the percentages thrown or punching a man's defense does not win a fight.
It's the same distinction that he was happy to accept from the first Hopkins fight.
You can call that a champion & a legit decision if you want to...but the judges were swayed & so were the fan's that refuse to accept the fact that Wright was the dominating force of the evening.
It's sad.
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
no disrespect to the great wacko but..............
it really depends on how you score a fight ie:
taylor was more active but hit a lot harder when his punches landed, and the ones that didnt land were smashing up his arms, remember pre-fight when his strategy was revealed saying he would hit him where ever arms, chest, shoulders, elbows, face, body.....just as long as he was getting hit.
am i the only one to notice winky dropping his arms a bit as the fight pressed on?? so jt's strategy was effective, which probably explains why winky ran the last round
on the other hand........some people will score based on accuracy and a higher percentage
compubox numbers mean absolutely JACK!!! unless it is horribly lopsided. if those numbers could determine the outcome of the fight then we wouldnt need judges at all, anybody could score a fight
also.........
jt did better with wright that hatton did in his last fight....but nobody says anything about that
if youre a winky fan be satisfied with a draw.....it was a very close fight and this was no robbery 8)
I don't have blind devotion. If I did I would say that Taylor won the first Hopkins fight, he didn't. Its about as simple as that. You can have an assumption about another person's opinion, but you can also be wrong, like you are.Quote:
Originally Posted by wacko3205
And if you think that Taylor is a such a marketers dream, how come he half fills the arena beside his hometown?
You must have been watching that fight with hopeful eyes, because Winky was a dominating force "half of the time". The other half had Taylor slamming hard shots to the body and past his guard. Taylor was never hurt and never broken down in that fight. He fought all 12 rounds, which Winky should have done. Taylor acts the way he does because he's an extremely modest kid.
You talk about shots and percentages. What gave Taylor any kind of chance was his power shots, which equalled Wright in output, but were much harder. That's why there was a draw. I don't think Taylor won, I'm with Harold Ledderman, the 3 judges combined, and most of the media who believe the fight was a draw.
You speak as if everybody knows there's some sorta conspiracy, but they just won't admit it. Maybe there is no conspiracy, maybe not everyone saw the fight with Wacko's eyes.
I think you were influenced by Wright's bravado and sulking.
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Originally Posted by tuckwopat
ohhhhhh.......well said, remind me to cc you when i have the power to do so
I thought it was a close fight and it could've gone either way, but.......... (and this should be beaten into the skull of every fighter out there)........
YOU DON'T COAST ON THE LAST ROUND(S) OF A CLOSE FIGHT, THINKING THAT YOU HAVE IT WON!! YOU GO OUT THERE AND FIGHT THE WHOLE 12 ROUNDS. OK, WINKY?
agreed. no fighter has the luxury of pulling the break off the throttle going into the final rounds....its suicide and can shoot you in the face...Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
winky just squeezed a result IMO....but he could have made victory very, very decisive had he kept up the pressure just a little longer...
I dont buy any HBO conspiracy, I saw the fight without Korean commnetary for the first time last night and I have no problems with what I was hearing....
It was a close fight and not everyone sees the same fight in exactly the same way....thats why we have 3 judges instead of 1....
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Originally Posted by frozensolid_702
jt did better with wright that hatton did in his last fight....but nobody says anything about that
What???????? it's obvious that you are way too new on this site to make a comment like that.......I got over half of my sc's because of that fight.....I STILL THINK COLLAZO WAS ROBBED!!!!!!!! This fight was the talk of the site for over a week......quit talking out of you're A** and just say what you know....we'll respect you more.....Winky won that fight ...give it up....:)
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Originally Posted by bigragu
if he won that fight it wouldnt be a draw.....look how long ago i regestered before you start calling me new......and i was looking long before that.
i dont care about sad clicks........i come to share my passion for the sport and debate with people who know whats up (suprisingly a lot on this site) even if they dont share my opinions
and lastly............the hatton fight was closer than this one (i scored that a draw btw)and meldrick taylor was ROBBED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;)
Winky also said that Julio Cesar Vasquez didn't knock him down and the five knock down were "slips"... has anybody seen that fight?... he's full of shit! ;)
Stiffle!!! And thats the first time I'm saying it to you!!! Everyone thats ever beaten Wright he tried to get immediate rematches with!!! Never make a blanket statement like that bout Winky Wright!! you're a much better poster then that ;) And anyway, Wright would beat Taylor again and they would rob him again, its a waste of his time. He beat Taylor the first time, if he fought him again it would be the same fight same result, Winky getting robbed.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_One77
there were more slips then knockdowns ;) Tells you how Winky dominated that fight to be down 5 times and only lose by a point ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by steady_E
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Originally Posted by steady_E
1994-08-21
allow me.
He is a marketers dream, he didn't sell out THIS arena because they upped the ticket prices to unheard of values ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by tuckwopat
He may be modest outside the ring but it doesn't matter in the ring because he lost that fight. and Winky DID fight all 12 rounds, I don't know why everyone things he coasted from Taylor. The only time in the 12th he took a backwards step was in the last 30 seconds where he knew he won the round and Taylor tried to come in and do something and Wright hit him with a straight left hand to back him up. But I guess you missed that hearing lampley and them saying that Winky was running when Lennox was saying Winky was switching it up on Taylor and had him confused. But you missed that didn't you?Quote:
You must have been watching that fight with hopeful eyes, because Winky was a dominating force "half of the time". The other half had Taylor slamming hard shots to the body and past his guard. Taylor was never hurt and never broken down in that fight. He fought all 12 rounds, which Winky should have done. Taylor acts the way he does because he's an extremely modest kid.
So if it was by who landed the harder punches, are you saying then if a fighter lands 20 soft shots in the round and his opponent lands one hard shot that does more damage then the previous 20 that the other fighter should get the round ??? Please, if that were so would Hopkins have lost the 12th to the same Jermain Taylor?Quote:
You talk about shots and percentages. What gave Taylor any kind of chance was his power shots, which equalled Wright in output, but were much harder. That's why there was a draw. I don't think Taylor won, I'm with Harold Ledderman, the 3 judges combined, and most of the media who believe the fight was a draw.
And maybe not everyone saw it in your eyes.Quote:
You speak as if everybody knows there's some sorta conspiracy, but they just won't admit it. Maybe there is no conspiracy, maybe not everyone saw the fight with Wacko's eyes.
What you need to realise is that Wright DID NOT coast in the 12th round. Since everyone wants to talk about Birmingham telling Wright to fight in the 12th but he also told him to back away after firing because Jermain can't get to him.
Here's the 12th
They stand off from each other and Winky is going forward and taylor is going backwards, Winky is throwing shots at Taylor who is backing up, at about the 2 minute mark taylor hasn't thrown a punch and Winky has been backing him, Winky lands some hard shots and Taylro swings and Winky grabs him to get close and Taylor doesn't do anything.. now Winky boxes from the outside and is hitting Taylor who swings and is having an issue hitting Winky, Wright is circling around Taylor and spinning him and hitting him to the body, less then a minute left and Taylor throws 3 shots at Wright all of which hit his gloves and Wright presses Taylor to the ropes with his own combination, and then he follows Jermain and hits him, and then Winky is circling and circling and Jermain still hasn't done anything of significace yet and now Winky is boxing around and Jermain is frustrated and tries to lunge in and Winky hits him with a hard lead left hand as he falls in and then holds him, the ref seperates them and Winky moves away and circles until the bell rings and Winky holds his hands in the air.
So how can anyone say that Winky "coasted" the 12th is beyond me unless
A) you've only seen it once
or
B) you are mesmorized by the commentary!!
I'm not sure about this case, but Winky has been screwed.
Just felt the need to add my 2 cents.
I think a draw was exactly the way it should have been. There should be a rematch, this was a great fight and much better than I expected. I scored it the same as Lederman for once. Usually I agree that the HBO team is very slanted, and often end up muting the tv cause they annoy me so bad. I didn't find it to be that bad this fight. I actually felt it was decent commentary.
No way this was a robbery. It was extremely close. They traded rounds back and forth. And by the way I am not a fan of either fighter. Usually Winky is a bore to watch, and J.T. got a gift in the first Hopkins fight, and the second one BHOP gave away cause he knew he wasn't gonna win a decision but fought the exact same fight.
There's no way possible that I can sit and convince a handful of people that my opinion wasn't swayed by Lampley's commentating, and also convince you it was a draw. But...Quote:
Originally Posted by Starr
Maybe if you hate Lampley so much, maybe your opinion was swayed the other way? If I can be swayed positively by his assessment, then you can be swayed to disagree with him.
I've watched the fight twice now, and even drug out a pen and pad and scored the fight myself. So to the crazies in the asylum, Taylor had to have won because:
A.) The hometown crowd of 9,000 people influenced the three judges opinion to sway rounds for Taylor.
B.) He's HBO's darling, and I guess they influence the judges also?
...and not because you just might be wrong.
Oh and about the power punching assessment. You are right to say that 1 power punch does not equal 20 jabs. But hard hook or uppercut does equal about 5 jabs in my book.
I too agree with Wright winning by a round, but how he fought in the 12th deserved him the draw since he had plenty left in the tank. One thing people have said all along, Winky has no heart and always fights safe, well look what fighting safe caused. Now of course he has heart, but bottom line he got lazy, and he got lazy with a style of fighting most people don't like in the first place. Should of known better Winky...
Another thing that stuck out to me though, Winky's shots had little to no effect on Jermaine, even though he was committing to them, a feather punch is a feather punch and when someone lacks power it should be taken into consideration when scoring a fight. Maybe Taylor's punches weren't getting in as cleanly as Wright's, but they were real power shots and I can see how the judges would score that.
So yes Winky won, but I honestly think if Taylor keeps trying to work his problems out he can become what Hopkins was to the middleweight division, so the draw was good for boxing in the long run. Ya gotta feel sorry for Wright to a point (partly just cause he's ugly), but he chose the style that isn't crowd pleasing. He chose not to go in for the kill in the 12th when Taylor was nearly gassed out. I'm not saying it's fair for exciting marketable fighters to have judges leaning their way, but it's the way it is and Wright should of stepped up, maybe even try to end the fight instead of purposely going after yet another decision. Maybe just maybe if he didn't always leave it in the judges hands this wouldn't of happend ???
The best thing that could happen besides a rematch is JT staying at middleweight, and Winky moving up to 168 for a Calzaghe fight. Joe IMO would slaughter both of these guys but it'd be a little worse for Taylor, hopefully he'll stay at middleweight.
Winky is a natural light-middle. It would be silly for him to go up to 168. Rematch or bust. Winky vs. Sturm and Taylor v. Abraham wouldn't be terrible though.Quote:
Originally Posted by raleights
Don't forget Edison Miranda. He's green, but green looks pretty good.
He came in 170+ against Soliman, forgot what he was last weekend but 8 extra pounds wouldn't hurt himQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Bob
Im sorry if i came a little strong in my post, it was wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Salhadin
However, to your question to whether i have boxed before...The answer is yes i have, and it's true that when a fighter losses it's demoralising.
But the problem i have with Winky Wright is that unlike great fighters before him, he decides not to avenge his losses. That show's true strenght in your character, because it shows you have the qualities to accept the loss (in this case a draw), overcome it and return in the rematch to win.
All the great fighters of the past did this (Hopkins with Taylor), so why must Winky be an exception....and i don't just mean this fight, everytime the guy lost he never came back to prove that he was the better fighter by having a rematch.
And Wacko, just because you think Winky won the fight dosen't mean that we are blind devoted fans...Judges don't have compubox because they are judges, a boxing match isn't based on how many punches were landed and how many were thrown.
Thought he tried to fight Vargas again and Vargas ducked him. He tried to fight Simon again and Harry wanted no part of him. Who else beat him? The dude that knocked him down 5 times?
I think Taylor would get the UD in a rematch. First of all Winky scored virtually all of his points on the ropes and dont think manny wouldnt correct that. JT was dominating in the center of the ring. I think this alone would be enough to get him an easy UD.Quote:
Originally Posted by Starr
I think its a bit dumb that people say you shouldn't criticize something because you haven't experianced it. I've never won a boxing match, but I'm pretty sure it doesn't feel worse than cancer or something. I'll bet it feels pretty good. Oh, am I out of line for sayig that? I've never boxedQuote:
Originally Posted by The_One77
Winky can act and feel any way he chooses, but the way you conduct yourself in public is a passport for criticism.