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Joe Calzaghe or James Toney at SuperMiddleweight
Alright who Takes This fight in there primes at Supermiddleweight and Why????
I like James Power at SuperMiddleweight and his defense is legendary a real hard as nails throwback fighter then you got Joe Calzaghe who is a punching machine who is tough as well.
I gotta go with James on this one(not cause I am American Either) I just think his smarts and defense with superb boxing skills a good power would break Joe down over the long haul
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Re: Joe Calzaghe or James Toney at SuperMiddleweight
Yep James Toney was the only fighter I think who could rival Bernard in the defense/crafty category. THe young and in shape James Toney
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Re: Joe Calzaghe or James Toney at SuperMiddleweight
I reckon Calzaghe would outpoint him.
Toneys 'prime' at supermiddleweight wasn't that great, losses to Roy Jones and Montell Griffin, a draw with an ancient McCallum.
Toney never had the heart or dedication at middleweight.
Calzaghe UD.
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Re: Joe Calzaghe or James Toney at SuperMiddleweight
Calzaghe... and as a SM Toney's defence wasn't all that... look how he 'coped' with Roy Jones...
Calzaghe UD.
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Re: Joe Calzaghe or James Toney at SuperMiddleweight
Styles. Calzaghe takes this.
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Re: Joe Calzaghe or James Toney at SuperMiddleweight
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Originally Posted by bilbo
I reckon Calzaghe would outpoint him.
Toneys 'prime' at supermiddleweight wasn't that great, losses to Roy Jones and Montell Griffin, a draw with an ancient McCallum.
Toney never had the heart or dedication at middleweight.
Calzaghe UD.
The draw against McCallum was at middleweight, and the losses to Griffin were at Light Heavy.
I think this fight would wind up looking like Jirov-Toney. Calzaghe throws high volume, works hard throughout, but James' defense and counter-punching ability is such that he is bound to land at a brilliant connect-percentage, and tire the other guy out with his slipping and blocking.
Plus of course, at super-middle Toney was dazzling - his best performance ever was there (vs. Iran Barkley) and if that Toney fights Joe, he would be just as fast, and quite a bit more technically proficient.
Lights Out wins this one, folks.
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Re: Joe Calzaghe or James Toney at SuperMiddleweight
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Originally Posted by The_Mac10
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Originally Posted by bilbo
I reckon Calzaghe would outpoint him.
Toneys 'prime' at supermiddleweight wasn't that great, losses to Roy Jones and Montell Griffin, a draw with an ancient McCallum.
Toney never had the heart or dedication at middleweight.
Calzaghe UD.
The draw against McCallum was at middleweight, and the losses to Griffin were at Light Heavy.
I think this fight would wind up looking like Jirov-Toney. Calzaghe throws high volume, works hard throughout, but James' defense and counter-punching ability is such that he is bound to land at a brilliant connect-percentage, and tire the other guy out with his slipping and blocking.
Plus of course, at super-middle Toney was dazzling - his best performance ever was there (vs. Iran Barkley) and if that Toney fights Joe, he would be just as fast, and quite a bit more technically proficient.
Lights Out wins this one, folks.
Thats what I'm Talking bout :thumb:
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Re: Joe Calzaghe or James Toney at SuperMiddleweight
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Originally Posted by The_Mac10
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Originally Posted by bilbo
I reckon Calzaghe would outpoint him.
Toneys 'prime' at supermiddleweight wasn't that great, losses to Roy Jones and Montell Griffin, a draw with an ancient McCallum.
Toney never had the heart or dedication at middleweight.
Calzaghe UD.
The draw against McCallum was at middleweight, and the losses to Griffin were at Light Heavy.
I think this fight would wind up looking like Jirov-Toney. Calzaghe throws high volume, works hard throughout, but James' defense and counter-punching ability is such that he is bound to land at a brilliant connect-percentage, and tire the other guy out with his slipping and blocking.
Plus of course, at super-middle Toney was dazzling - his best performance ever was there (vs. Iran Barkley) and if that Toney fights Joe, he would be just as fast, and quite a bit more technically proficient.
Lights Out wins this one, folks.
Iran Barkely was never that hot truth be told. Knocked out in 1 round by a Nigel Benn who had been up all night snorting cocaine the night before and being outpointed and dropped by ancient lightweight Roberto Duran are black spots on his record that suggest to me at least that Calzaghe would have destroyed Barkely more emphatically than Toney.
Toney just was not active enough at middleweight, he struggled to make the weight and had little discipline. Calzaghe's workrate would be too much for him.
Minchael Nunn was kicking Toney's a** until he slowed down and got caught, and Calzaghe has a better chin, and more stamina than Nunn.
Calzaghe UD
Oh and Toney was not the skilful masterful defensive boxer he is today whilst at middleweight. I remember watching the Nunn fight, and the consensu before hand was that Toney would be too one dimensional to beat Nunn, and that is the way it looked for about 7 or 8 rounds.
Still, tough as nails, seemingly infatiguable and a great finisher in the final rounds Toney would be a handful for anybody, but I think the cream at middleweight back then could beat him over the distance, Hopkins, Eubank, and Calzaghe (although I mean Calzaghe now not 15 years ago)
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Re: Joe Calzaghe or James Toney at SuperMiddleweight
i like james toney but i think calzaghe is too fast for him. calzaghe is the main boy
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Re: Joe Calzaghe or James Toney at SuperMiddleweight
I wasn't trying to convince you that Barkley was some glowering name on Toney's record. My point was how James' looked.
Toneys allround ability was never more on display than in that fight. Combination punching, speed, power, workrate, stamina, chin. Everything was firing. Remember, we're talking prime-for-prime here, so I would say it is that version of James who goes in against Joe in this mythical match-up. Therefore your points about Toney struggling at middleweight, and in his fight with Michael Nunn (which, on paper, Toney should have lost, as Nunn was a superb veteran and James was making a huge leap up in quality) are made redundant, so spare us.
True, Benn mugged Barkley. I've not watched that one in a while, but I recall the stoppage being a bit premature. Either way, Toney didn't go in to destroy Iran in a round, he went in to show the world he was the best pound-for-pound fighter in the world - and after such a magnificent display, few argued.
Why, let me ask, do you think Nunn 'slowed down'? Because of TONEY. Because of the Ann Arbour mans constant pressure, determination and hunting him down. Toney's gameplan was to take it late. Between rounds if you recall Toney was telling Bill Miller "He's tiring, he's breathing like a freight train, I'm going to take him out" and he made good on it. Besides, Nunn is a different fighter from Calzaghe. And the argument is ridiculous anyway, because as I said that was Toney's first fight at world title level, he was green, and up against a superstar-in-the-making. Plus it was at a weight he often struggled at. We're talking PRIME, super-middleweight James here, boss.
Calzaghe's style is such that he comes forward - he throws hundreds of punching, he walks in, he backs off, he surveys, he comes ploughing in again. He has terrific handspeed and sharpness. But Toney very very rarely gets hit with two shots in a row - he is a master craftsman. And don't doubt his chin.
Over twelve rounds, considering Toneys build-in clock where he often does his best work late (though in all truthness, the Toney who fought Iran would beat Calzaghe at any time in the round) and considering Calzaghe's balls-to-the-wall approach he's playing into James' hands. When have you ever seen a fighter come forward vs. Toney and win? Jones pot-shotted him, Griffin caught him at two of his worst stages (and I still had James winning the first fight) and 'boxed' - aggressive fighters simply don't beat James. You wont get many better aggressive fighters than Jirov, and incidently McCallum, who although a brilliant boxer, did take the role as aggressor for much of their fights, and it suited Toney down to a tee.
Be a counter-punching fest.
Toney UD
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Re: Joe Calzaghe or James Toney at SuperMiddleweight
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Originally Posted by jtrock
Alright who Takes This fight in there primes at Supermiddleweight and Why????
I like James Power at SuperMiddleweight and his defense is legendary a real hard as nails throwback fighter then you got Joe Calzaghe who is a punching machine who is tough as well.
I gotta go with James on this one(not cause I am American Either) I just think his smarts and defense with superb boxing skills a good power would break Joe down over the long haul
I think JT pulls a "Lights Out" against Joe C......Toney's power was almost unequalled at that weight.....and he has tremdous boxing skills to go with it....those that want to bring up the RJJ fight must not realize that at that time in his career RJJ whips anybody at 168 period....and Toney whips everybody else.......
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Re: Joe Calzaghe or James Toney at SuperMiddleweight
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Originally Posted by bigragu
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Originally Posted by jtrock
Alright who Takes This fight in there primes at Supermiddleweight and Why????
I like James Power at SuperMiddleweight and his defense is legendary a real hard as nails throwback fighter then you got Joe Calzaghe who is a punching machine who is tough as well.
I gotta go with James on this one(not cause I am American Either) I just think his smarts and defense with superb boxing skills a good power would break Joe down over the long haul
I think JT pulls a "Lights Out" against Joe C......Toney's power was almost unequalled at that weight.....and he has tremdous boxing skills to go with it....those that want to bring up the RJJ fight must not realize that at that time in his career RJJ whips anybody at 168 period....and Toney whips everybody else.......
Plus of course Toney had to lose 48Lbs in six weeks, which didn't help.
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Re: Joe Calzaghe or James Toney at SuperMiddleweight
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Originally Posted by The_Mac10
I wasn't trying to convince you that Barkley was some glowering name on Toney's record. My point was how James' looked.
Toneys allround ability was never more on display than in that fight. Combination punching, speed, power, workrate, stamina, chin. Everything was firing. Remember, we're talking prime-for-prime here, so I would say it is that version of James who goes in against Joe in this mythical match-up. Therefore your points about Toney struggling at middleweight, and in his fight with Michael Nunn (which, on paper, Toney should have lost, as Nunn was a superb veteran and James was making a huge leap up in quality) are made redundant, so spare us.
True, Benn mugged Barkley. I've not watched that one in a while, but I recall the stoppage being a bit premature. Either way, Toney didn't go in to destroy Iran in a round, he went in to show the world he was the best pound-for-pound fighter in the world - and after such a magnificent display, few argued.
Why, let me ask, do you think Nunn 'slowed down'? Because of TONEY. Because of the Ann Arbour mans constant pressure, determination and hunting him down. Toney's gameplan was to take it late. Between rounds if you recall Toney was telling Bill Miller "He's tiring, he's breathing like a freight train, I'm going to take him out" and he made good on it. Besides, Nunn is a different fighter from Calzaghe. And the argument is ridiculous anyway, because as I said that was Toney's first fight at world title level, he was green, and up against a superstar-in-the-making. Plus it was at a weight he often struggled at. We're talking PRIME, super-middleweight James here, boss.
Calzaghe's style is such that he comes forward - he throws hundreds of punching, he walks in, he backs off, he surveys, he comes ploughing in again. He has terrific handspeed and sharpness. But Toney very very rarely gets hit with two shots in a row - he is a master craftsman. And don't doubt his chin.
Over twelve rounds, considering Toneys build-in clock where he often does his best work late (though in all truthness, the Toney who fought Iran would beat Calzaghe at any time in the round) and considering Calzaghe's balls-to-the-wall approach he's playing into James' hands. When have you ever seen a fighter come forward vs. Toney and win? Jones pot-shotted him, Griffin caught him at two of his worst stages (and I still had James winning the first fight) and 'boxed' - aggressive fighters simply don't beat James. You wont get many better aggressive fighters than Jirov, and incidently McCallum, who although a brilliant boxer, did take the role as aggressor for much of their fights, and it suited Toney down to a tee.
Be a counter-punching fest.
Toney UD
Hey I ain't hating on the man, check my avatar he's my favourite non British fighter!
I just think at middleweight he never had the discipline to truly shine, hence his move up through the weights.
Great fighter though, one of the top 5 of the past 15 years imo, just he ain't beating Calzaghe at supermiddleweight.
Now 175 lb on the other hand..........................
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Re: Joe Calzaghe or James Toney at SuperMiddleweight
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Originally Posted by bilbo
I reckon Calzaghe would outpoint him.
Toneys 'prime' at supermiddleweight wasn't that great, losses to Roy Jones and Montell Griffin, a draw with an ancient McCallum.
Toney never had the heart or dedication at middleweight.
Calzaghe UD.
;D ;D As someone else stated, the losses to Griffin came at LH and the McCallum fight was at MW. Also there is absolutely no shame in losing to a prime Roy at SMW. Roy would have KO'd Calzaghe. Just as I feel Toney probably would have. Toney hit nearly as hard as Lacy at Super Middle and was a master defensive fighter. Calzaghe would probably win some rounds simply by being active at times, but would suffer a late TKO, or 116-112 loss IMO.
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Re: Joe Calzaghe or James Toney at SuperMiddleweight
People are on here like Calzaghe is the best thing since sliced bread when he did have a great performance against Jeff Lacy but that is about it!
Toney would not only make him look bad, but KO his azz before the 10th
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Re: Joe Calzaghe or James Toney at SuperMiddleweight
Toney had tremendous power with the skill to match!
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Re: Joe Calzaghe or James Toney at SuperMiddleweight
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Originally Posted by NorthSideX4
People are on here like Calzaghe is the best thing since sliced bread when he did have a great performance against Jeff Lacy but that is about it!
Toney would not only make him look bad, but KO his azz before the 10th
Hahahaha ;D
Calzaghe would decision Toney would be a very competitive fight though...
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Re: Joe Calzaghe or James Toney at SuperMiddleweight
I think Toney at middleweight would definitely beat Calzaghe or how he fought when he initially moved up to super middleweight then Calzaghe doesn't stand a chance, but how he fought Jones he would lose a closer fight.
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Re: Joe Calzaghe or James Toney at SuperMiddleweight
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Originally Posted by miles
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Originally Posted by NorthSideX4
People are on here like Calzaghe is the best thing since sliced bread when he did have a great performance against Jeff Lacy but that is about it!
Toney would not only make him look bad, but KO his azz before the 10th
Hahahaha ;D
Calzaghe would decision Toney would be a very competitive fight though...
Well done Miles, :coolclick: we must make a stand against these ignorant Yank fools. :army:
Ah Karma's telling me to wait, I'll click you later Miles ;)
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Re: Joe Calzaghe or James Toney at SuperMiddleweight
Joe Calzaghe, pure class!
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Re: Joe Calzaghe or James Toney at SuperMiddleweight
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Originally Posted by bilbo
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Originally Posted by miles
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Originally Posted by NorthSideX4
People are on here like Calzaghe is the best thing since sliced bread when he did have a great performance against Jeff Lacy but that is about it!
Toney would not only make him look bad, but KO his azz before the 10th
Hahahaha ;D
Calzaghe would decision Toney would be a very competitive fight though...
Well done Miles, :coolclick: we must make a stand against these ignorant Yank fools. :army:
Ah Karma's telling me to wait, I'll click you later Miles ;)
lol bilbo you and your condascending snooty Yank comments :)
I'm a yank and I feel Calzaghe would of been entirely too quick for lazy JFat. You have to be fucking braindead to believe Calzaghe would play into the little traps Toney makes.
UD, just not as embarassing as Lacy's UD. And I bet you Joe would be enough of a gentlemen to buy him a big mac after the fight
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Originally Posted by raleights
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Originally Posted by bilbo
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Originally Posted by miles
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Originally Posted by NorthSideX4
People are on here like Calzaghe is the best thing since sliced bread when he did have a great performance against Jeff Lacy but that is about it!
Toney would not only make him look bad, but KO his azz before the 10th
Hahahaha ;D
Calzaghe would decision Toney would be a very competitive fight though...
Well done Miles, :coolclick: we must make a stand against these ignorant Yank fools. :army:
Ah Karma's telling me to wait, I'll click you later Miles ;)
lol bilbo you and your condascending snooty Yank comments :)
I'm a yank and I feel Calzaghe would of been entirely too quick for lazy JFat. You have to be F****** braindead to believe Calzaghe would play into the little traps Toney makes.
UD, just not as embarassing as Lacy's UD. And I bet you Joe would be enough of a gentlemen to buy him a big mac after the fight
Hey raleights, glad you didn't take my Yank-biting to heart. Just for the record I also exhibit signs of smug superiority over the Canadians, Germans, French, Italians Scottish and Welsh.
All the other nations are not important enough even to think about. :thumb:
All Hail Great Britannia :britain:
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Re: Joe Calzaghe or James Toney at SuperMiddleweight
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Originally Posted by bilbo
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Originally Posted by raleights
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Originally Posted by bilbo
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Originally Posted by miles
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Originally Posted by NorthSideX4
People are on here like Calzaghe is the best thing since sliced bread when he did have a great performance against Jeff Lacy but that is about it!
Toney would not only make him look bad, but KO his azz before the 10th
Hahahaha ;D
Calzaghe would decision Toney would be a very competitive fight though...
Well done Miles, :coolclick: we must make a stand against these ignorant Yank fools. :army:
Ah Karma's telling me to wait, I'll click you later Miles ;)
lol bilbo you and your condascending snooty Yank comments :)
I'm a yank and I feel Calzaghe would of been entirely too quick for lazy JFat. You have to be F****** braindead to believe Calzaghe would play into the little traps Toney makes.
UD, just not as embarassing as Lacy's UD. And I bet you Joe would be enough of a gentlemen to buy him a big mac after the fight
Hey raleights, glad you didn't take my Yank-biting to heart. Just for the record I also exhibit signs of smug superiority over the Canadians, Germans, French, Italians Scottish and Welsh.
All the other nations are not important enough even to think about. :thumb:
All Hail Great Britannia :britain:
You jealous Basterd!!!!!! Its only cause those countries have a better cuisine than yours...Ham, Coleslaw blood pudding ,Bread and butter LOL!!!!!
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Re: Joe Calzaghe or James Toney at SuperMiddleweight
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Originally Posted by bilbo
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Originally Posted by miles
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Originally Posted by NorthSideX4
People are on here like Calzaghe is the best thing since sliced bread when he did have a great performance against Jeff Lacy but that is about it!
Toney would not only make him look bad, but KO his azz before the 10th
Hahahaha ;D
Calzaghe would decision Toney would be a very competitive fight though...
Well done Miles, :coolclick: we must make a stand against these ignorant Yank fools. :army:
Ah Karma's telling me to wait, I'll click you later Miles ;)
Mr Bilbo....As much as I am aligned with you in terms of a purple passport, im not against Northside as part of any nationalist agenda...
calzaghe is welsh for fucks sake!!! ;D
Maybe Northside has the nationalist agenda....but I just think the welshman kicks Toneys big bottom....or lesser sized bottom at that weight...
And indeed, a CC for you to when karma relents ;)
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Originally Posted by jtrock
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Originally Posted by bilbo
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Originally Posted by raleights
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Originally Posted by bilbo
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Originally Posted by miles
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Originally Posted by NorthSideX4
People are on here like Calzaghe is the best thing since sliced bread when he did have a great performance against Jeff Lacy but that is about it!
Toney would not only make him look bad, but KO his azz before the 10th
Hahahaha ;D
Calzaghe would decision Toney would be a very competitive fight though...
Well done Miles, :coolclick: we must make a stand against these ignorant Yank fools. :army:
Ah Karma's telling me to wait, I'll click you later Miles ;)
lol bilbo you and your condascending snooty Yank comments :)
I'm a yank and I feel Calzaghe would of been entirely too quick for lazy JFat. You have to be F****** braindead to believe Calzaghe would play into the little traps Toney makes.
UD, just not as embarassing as Lacy's UD. And I bet you Joe would be enough of a gentlemen to buy him a big mac after the fight
Hey raleights, glad you didn't take my Yank-biting to heart. Just for the record I also exhibit signs of smug superiority over the Canadians, Germans, French, Italians Scottish and Welsh.
All the other nations are not important enough even to think about. :thumb:
All Hail Great Britannia :britain:
You jealous Basterd!!!!!! Its only cause those countries have a better cuisine than yours...Ham, Coleslaw blood pudding ,Bread and butter LOL!!!!!
try living in korea ;) british food is top notch!!!!
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Originally Posted by miles
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Originally Posted by jtrock
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Originally Posted by bilbo
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Originally Posted by raleights
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Originally Posted by bilbo
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Originally Posted by miles
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Originally Posted by NorthSideX4
People are on here like Calzaghe is the best thing since sliced bread when he did have a great performance against Jeff Lacy but that is about it!
Toney would not only make him look bad, but KO his azz before the 10th
Hahahaha ;D
Calzaghe would decision Toney would be a very competitive fight though...
Well done Miles, :coolclick: we must make a stand against these ignorant Yank fools. :army:
Ah Karma's telling me to wait, I'll click you later Miles ;)
lol bilbo you and your condascending snooty Yank comments :)
I'm a yank and I feel Calzaghe would of been entirely too quick for lazy JFat. You have to be F****** braindead to believe Calzaghe would play into the little traps Toney makes.
UD, just not as embarassing as Lacy's UD. And I bet you Joe would be enough of a gentlemen to buy him a big mac after the fight
Hey raleights, glad you didn't take my Yank-biting to heart. Just for the record I also exhibit signs of smug superiority over the Canadians, Germans, French, Italians Scottish and Welsh.
All the other nations are not important enough even to think about. :thumb:
All Hail Great Britannia :britain:
You jealous Basterd!!!!!! Its only cause those countries have a better cuisine than yours...Ham, Coleslaw blood pudding ,Bread and butter LOL!!!!!
try living in korea ;) british food is top notch!!!!
By the way how do you eat your dogs, with chips or in a burger bap?
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Originally Posted by miles
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Originally Posted by jtrock
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Originally Posted by bilbo
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Originally Posted by raleights
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Originally Posted by bilbo
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Originally Posted by miles
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Originally Posted by NorthSideX4
People are on here like Calzaghe is the best thing since sliced bread when he did have a great performance against Jeff Lacy but that is about it!
Toney would not only make him look bad, but KO his azz before the 10th
Hahahaha ;D
Calzaghe would decision Toney would be a very competitive fight though...
Well done Miles, :coolclick: we must make a stand against these ignorant Yank fools. :army:
Ah Karma's telling me to wait, I'll click you later Miles ;)
lol bilbo you and your condascending snooty Yank comments :)
I'm a yank and I feel Calzaghe would of been entirely too quick for lazy JFat. You have to be F****** braindead to believe Calzaghe would play into the little traps Toney makes.
UD, just not as embarassing as Lacy's UD. And I bet you Joe would be enough of a gentlemen to buy him a big mac after the fight
Hey raleights, glad you didn't take my Yank-biting to heart. Just for the record I also exhibit signs of smug superiority over the Canadians, Germans, French, Italians Scottish and Welsh.
All the other nations are not important enough even to think about. :thumb:
All Hail Great Britannia :britain:
You jealous Basterd!!!!!! Its only cause those countries have a better cuisine than yours...Ham, Coleslaw blood pudding ,Bread and butter LOL!!!!!
try living in korea ;) british food is top notch!!!!
I was in the mother land a few years back..I have relatives in Coventry,London I had a great time and would love to go back soon,The food was killing me though..When we got to London we found this awsome Italian resteraunt and the Hard Rock Cafe amoungst others...Finally some good Food LOL!!!!!
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Originally Posted by bilbo
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Originally Posted by miles
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Originally Posted by jtrock
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Originally Posted by bilbo
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Originally Posted by raleights
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Originally Posted by bilbo
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Originally Posted by miles
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Originally Posted by NorthSideX4
People are on here like Calzaghe is the best thing since sliced bread when he did have a great performance against Jeff Lacy but that is about it!
Toney would not only make him look bad, but KO his azz before the 10th
Hahahaha ;D
Calzaghe would decision Toney would be a very competitive fight though...
Well done Miles, :coolclick: we must make a stand against these ignorant Yank fools. :army:
Ah Karma's telling me to wait, I'll click you later Miles ;)
lol bilbo you and your condascending snooty Yank comments :)
I'm a yank and I feel Calzaghe would of been entirely too quick for lazy JFat. You have to be F****** braindead to believe Calzaghe would play into the little traps Toney makes.
UD, just not as embarassing as Lacy's UD. And I bet you Joe would be enough of a gentlemen to buy him a big mac after the fight
Hey raleights, glad you didn't take my Yank-biting to heart. Just for the record I also exhibit signs of smug superiority over the Canadians, Germans, French, Italians Scottish and Welsh.
All the other nations are not important enough even to think about. :thumb:
All Hail Great Britannia :britain:
You jealous Basterd!!!!!! Its only cause those countries have a better cuisine than yours...Ham, Coleslaw blood pudding ,Bread and butter LOL!!!!!
try living in korea ;) british food is top notch!!!!
By the way how do you eat your dogs, with chips or in a burger bap?
I eat hot dogs but never the canine variety!!! ;D
Been here 3 years and never eaten the dog....Im a proud man!!! ;D
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Originally Posted by miles
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Originally Posted by bilbo
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Originally Posted by miles
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Originally Posted by jtrock
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Originally Posted by bilbo
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Originally Posted by raleights
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Originally Posted by bilbo
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Originally Posted by miles
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Originally Posted by NorthSideX4
People are on here like Calzaghe is the best thing since sliced bread when he did have a great performance against Jeff Lacy but that is about it!
Toney would not only make him look bad, but KO his azz before the 10th
Hahahaha ;D
Calzaghe would decision Toney would be a very competitive fight though...
Well done Miles, :coolclick: we must make a stand against these ignorant Yank fools. :army:
Ah Karma's telling me to wait, I'll click you later Miles ;)
lol bilbo you and your condascending snooty Yank comments :)
I'm a yank and I feel Calzaghe would of been entirely too quick for lazy JFat. You have to be F****** braindead to believe Calzaghe would play into the little traps Toney makes.
UD, just not as embarassing as Lacy's UD. And I bet you Joe would be enough of a gentlemen to buy him a big mac after the fight
Hey raleights, glad you didn't take my Yank-biting to heart. Just for the record I also exhibit signs of smug superiority over the Canadians, Germans, French, Italians Scottish and Welsh.
All the other nations are not important enough even to think about. :thumb:
All Hail Great Britannia :britain:
You jealous Basterd!!!!!! Its only cause those countries have a better cuisine than yours...Ham, Coleslaw blood pudding ,Bread and butter LOL!!!!!
try living in korea ;) british food is top notch!!!!
By the way how do you eat your dogs, with chips or in a burger bap?
I eat hot dogs but never the canine variety!!! ;D
Been here 3 years and never eaten the dog....Im a proud man!!! ;D
Wow after a night on the piss I eat anything. I had a kebab the other night, don't know what it was made of but it certainly wasn't meat from any animal I've encountered before.........
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Re: Joe Calzaghe or James Toney at SuperMiddleweight
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Originally Posted by bilbo
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Originally Posted by raleights
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Originally Posted by bilbo
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Originally Posted by miles
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Originally Posted by NorthSideX4
People are on here like Calzaghe is the best thing since sliced bread when he did have a great performance against Jeff Lacy but that is about it!
Toney would not only make him look bad, but KO his azz before the 10th
Hahahaha ;D
Calzaghe would decision Toney would be a very competitive fight though...
Well done Miles, :coolclick: we must make a stand against these ignorant Yank fools. :army:
Ah Karma's telling me to wait, I'll click you later Miles ;)
lol bilbo you and your condascending snooty Yank comments :)
I'm a yank and I feel Calzaghe would of been entirely too quick for lazy JFat. You have to be F****** braindead to believe Calzaghe would play into the little traps Toney makes.
UD, just not as embarassing as Lacy's UD. And I bet you Joe would be enough of a gentlemen to buy him a big mac after the fight
Hey raleights, glad you didn't take my Yank-biting to heart. Just for the record I also exhibit signs of smug superiority over the Canadians, Germans, French, Italians Scottish and Welsh.
All the other nations are not important enough even to think about. :thumb:
All Hail Great Britannia :britain:
Holy shnikeys this guy believes he's superior to Canada.... The King of all Mexicans and Canada would strongly disagree
And I understand your feeling of superiority, as I too feel the same way torward you and your country, being born with stunning features and perfect teeth that I'd be mugged for having if I came to that part of the world
All Hail... fuck it I'm not very witty
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Re: Joe Calzaghe or James Toney at SuperMiddleweight
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People are on here like Calzaghe is the best thing since sliced bread when he did have a great performance against Jeff Lacy but that is about it!
Toney would not only make him look bad, but KO his azz before the 10th
Hahahaha ;D
Calzaghe would decision Toney would be a very competitive fight though...
Well done Miles, :coolclick: we must make a stand against these ignorant Yank fools. :army:
Ah Karma's telling me to wait, I'll click you later Miles ;)
lol bilbo you and your condascending snooty Yank comments :)
I'm a yank and I feel Calzaghe would of been entirely too quick for lazy JFat. You have to be F****** braindead to believe Calzaghe would play into the little traps Toney makes.
UD, just not as embarassing as Lacy's UD. And I bet you Joe would be enough of a gentlemen to buy him a big mac after the fight
Hey raleights, glad you didn't take my Yank-biting to heart. Just for the record I also exhibit signs of smug superiority over the Canadians, Germans, French, Italians Scottish and Welsh.
All the other nations are not important enough even to think about. :thumb:
All Hail Great Britannia :britain:
You jealous Basterd!!!!!! Its only cause those countries have a better cuisine than yours...Ham, Coleslaw blood pudding ,Bread and butter LOL!!!!!
try living in korea ;) british food is top notch!!!!
By the way how do you eat your dogs, with chips or in a burger bap?
I eat hot dogs but never the canine variety!!! ;D
Been here 3 years and never eaten the dog....Im a proud man!!! ;D
Wow after a night on the piss I eat anything. I had a kebab the other night, don't know what it was made of but it certainly wasn't meat from any animal I've encountered before.........
I got shitfaced over in Galway Ireland as well after clubbing, there was a fastfood place that sold Lamb gyro's I remember standing there with some good looking Irish Bird I had met thinking to myself as it was cooking in the rotessiure "I have never seen a Lamb like that before"
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Re: Joe Calzaghe or James Toney at SuperMiddleweight
Who gives a fook where a fighter is from u racist europeans, stop hating on the US cuz u cant be us! The fighter is who makes the person not where he is from! Toney's skill & accomplishments are 50 times better than what Joe has ever done! Hate Toney & the US all you want, but he is a great fighter!!!!
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Who gives a fook where a fighter is from u racist europeans, stop hating on the US cuz u cant be us! The fighter is who makes the person not where he is from! Toney's skill & accomplishments are 50 times better than what Joe has ever done! Hate Toney & the US all you want, but he is a great fighter!!!!
I dont hate the US, northside. In fact toney is one of my very favourite fighters. Its just that I happen to think that Calzaghe can beat him.
In fact, Northside its your very last post that reeks of racial superiority ;)
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Who gives a fook where a fighter is from u racist europeans, stop hating on the US cuz u cant be us! The fighter is who makes the person not where he is from! Toney's skill & accomplishments are 50 times better than what Joe has ever done! Hate Toney & the US all you want, but he is a great fighter!!!!
Well I'm a Brit and you were us once, until you all decided our religion wasn't good enough for you and so decided to leave and move to another bigger island to set up your own little community there.
And then once there, you all decided you didn't want to play sports with the rest of the world so you all had to invent your own and host World Series' events that consist of America verus......erm America.
Then you all build nucleur weapons, but don't like it when the other countries build them so you invade to stop them so you can be the only ones with big weapons.
Then you decide that other countries histories are better than yours so you invent cinema where you can make films and rewrite their history, so that now Ben Afleck a proud American wins the Battle of Britain for England, and Mel Gibson, a proud American leads the Scottish to victory and freedom, then Steve McQueen, a proud American leads the British prisoners in their great escape from a POW camp, and Tom Hanks and his fellow proud Americans single handedly defeat the Germans at Normandy.
:P
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Who gives a fook where a fighter is from u racist europeans, stop hating on the US cuz u cant be us! The fighter is who makes the person not where he is from! Toney's skill & accomplishments are 50 times better than what Joe has ever done! Hate Toney & the US all you want, but he is a great fighter!!!!
Well I'm a Brit and you were us once, until you all decided our religion wasn't good enough for you and so decided to leave and move to another bigger island to set up your own little community there.
And then once there, you all decided you didn't want to play sports with the rest of the world so you all had to invent your own and host World Series' events that consist of America verus......erm America.
Then you all build nucleur weapons, but don't like it when the other countries build them so you invade to stop them so you can be the only ones with big weapons.
Then you decide that other countries histories are better than yours so you invent cinema where you can make films and rewrite their history, so that now Ben Afleck a proud American wins the Battle of Britain for England, and Mel Gibson, a proud American leads the Scottish to victory and freedom, then Steve McQueen, a proud American leads the British prisoners in their great escape from a POW camp, and Tom Hanks and his fellow proud Americans single handedly defeat the Germans at Normandy.
:P
And seeing as I live in Korea, I might as well get in a nuclear argument. Why are the North Koreans not allowed to develop nuclear arms for self defence and yet the US has enough nuclear stockpiles to wipe out every nation on earth one by one...
the word hypocrisy springs to mind!!!
A boxer with nuclear arms would be a very hard puncher. Possibly unstoppable. :P
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Who gives a fook where a fighter is from u racist europeans, stop hating on the US cuz u cant be us! The fighter is who makes the person not where he is from! Toney's skill & accomplishments are 50 times better than what Joe has ever done! Hate Toney & the US all you want, but he is a great fighter!!!!
Well I'm a Brit and you were us once, until you all decided our religion wasn't good enough for you and so decided to leave and move to another bigger island to set up your own little community there.
And then once there, you all decided you didn't want to play sports with the rest of the world so you all had to invent your own and host World Series' events that consist of America verus......erm America.
Then you all build nucleur weapons, but don't like it when the other countries build them so you invade to stop them so you can be the only ones with big weapons.
Then you decide that other countries histories are better than yours so you invent cinema where you can make films and rewrite their history, so that now Ben Afleck a proud American wins the Battle of Britain for England, and Mel Gibson, a proud American leads the Scottish to victory and freedom, then Steve McQueen, a proud American leads the British prisoners in their great escape from a POW camp, and Tom Hanks and his fellow proud Americans single handedly defeat the Germans at Normandy.
:P
And seeing as I live in Korea, I might as well get in a nuclear argument. Why are the North Koreans not allowed to develop nuclear arms for self defence and yet the US has enough nuclear stockpiles to wipe out every nation on earth one by one...
the word hypocrisy springs to mind!!!
A boxer with nuclear arms would be a very hard puncher. Possibly unstoppable. :P
As I said on another post, the Americans are the equivalent of the spoilt brat at school who doesn't like the other kids playing football so he kicks it on to the roof to stop them playing and goes and plays swingball on his own.
They were the sad, moaning, whiny, sanctimonius Brits who thankfully got in their little boats and fucked off to the other side of the world.
Shortly followed by the theiving, low life riff raff that we kicked out and sent to another island on the other side of the world again!
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Re: Joe Calzaghe or James Toney at SuperMiddleweight
Toney is powerful just like Lacy. Calzhage would have danced around him all night and outboxed him. Toney would have to get in close, not much chance of that. Calzhage would have to stay out and show his skills. I doubt Toney would have the speed and or stamina to catch or keep up with Joe. It would go the distance with Calzhage clear winner. The way Toney would win would be by fairly early KO, if he could corner Joe.
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Toney is powerful just like Lacy. Calzhage would have danced around him all night and outboxed him. Toney would have to get in close, not much chance of that. Calzhage would have to stay out and show his skills. I doubt Toney would have the speed and or stamina to catch or keep up with Joe. It would go the distance with Calzhage clear winner. The way Toney would win would be by fairly early KO, if he could corner Joe.
Toney wasn't the same as Lacy.
Sure, power wise, yeah. That's were the similar ends really.
Toney is a master defensive fighter. Lacy ain't. Toney is a brilliant counter puncher. Lacy ain't. Toney at super-middle was shrewd, cunning, craft, smart, Lacy was/is still quite a green fighter.
You make it sound like Joe could just totally dominate Toney, and that's really unlikely, IMO.
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Toney is powerful just like Lacy. Calzhage would have danced around him all night and outboxed him. Toney would have to get in close, not much chance of that. Calzhage would have to stay out and show his skills. I doubt Toney would have the speed and or stamina to catch or keep up with Joe. It would go the distance with Calzhage clear winner. The way Toney would win would be by fairly early KO, if he could corner Joe.
Toney wasn't the same as Lacy.
Sure, power wise, yeah. That's were the similar ends really.
Toney is a master defensive fighter. Lacy ain't. Toney is a brilliant counter puncher. Lacy ain't. Toney at super-middle was shrewd, cunning, craft, smart, Lacy was/is still quite a green fighter.
You make it sound like Joe could just totally dominate Toney, and that's really unlikely, IMO.
Yep, pretty much. CC
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Re: Joe Calzaghe or James Toney at SuperMiddleweight
As much as I don't like Toney, I'd have to give him the nod over Calzaghe at that weight. I still think he has no business being in the heavyweight division, and the only reason he's still around is the garbage that abounds in the heavies nowadays. A good heavyweight from past years would've knocked his fat a$$ into the cheap seats.
But at superMiddleweight, he must be given his just dues. Of course, that's all academic, since Toney would be both unable and unwilling to go back there. That was MANY pounds ago.
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