I was wondering if the flicker punch/jab is true. If anyone knows the boxer who created it or have any tips on how to use it please teach me.
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I was wondering if the flicker punch/jab is true. If anyone knows the boxer who created it or have any tips on how to use it please teach me.
What is it?
SOunds like Roy Jones 's snapping semi backhand styled jab from down low to me ???
The flicker from Ippo Road to Glory, Performed by Ryo Mashiba from the same boxing anime series?
If that is the question that is merely whipping jabs from your hip instead of at a set position.
Anime over-exaggerates
Keeping your front hand down is a flaw, prior to popular belief you dont need to protect your hip. ;)
Also the shoulder shrug should/could be avoided at most times by haveing your front hand up in the set position.
DependsQuote:
Originally Posted by AverageJoe
When you have your hands low, your opponents dont know what to expect. This was a vital key in Chris Eubanks victory over Nigel Benn in 1990, an orthodox straight mill boxer would of been blasted out in 1 or 2 rounds like so many of Benns previous opponents, but Chris Eubank was able to go against the grain and beat him down like he was after his world title, which he was.
Its not about protectig your hip .Its about winning/showing off to the judges and degrading your opponent who isnt fast enough to even strike at a free opening.
Just look at RJJ 's style over the years, he mastered it ,he would lean down low wavering about with his lead arm down and as soon as he saw the opening come it would whip up like a backhanded snapping jab which would always score.
You seriously think RJJ would not have a better defense if he kept his hands up?
Watch Jones vs. Tarver.
It is easier to hit to the body if your hand is down, it is also easier to switch between shots to the head and body. But in most cases it is not worth half of your defense.
Would you really tell someone to keep their lead hand down in a fight?
He wouldnt be Roy Jones then though would he. and Tarver managed to get in a good shot on Roy as he threw his punch, it happened to Lennox against McCall.Quote:
Originally Posted by AverageJoe
You dont tell people to keep their hands down, for some its natural. Its their style.
I think for those who master it, its devasting against opponents who dont know how to judge it. Really there is no way to judge an arm if its just hanging down to the side - this is the positive for those who are using it. But I think if u dont know how to use it - it could be ur downfall
Of course not,that is not the point of the exersize, but like any sport or art, the great moves come from unexpected angles ,so really we're just saying dont rule anything out.Quote:
Originally Posted by AverageJoe
Everything works at certain times,and brilliance comes from knowing when and where to do those moves.
There are thousands of mug boxers in the world and only so few champions and thats why.
IF you are to be the Champ in anything even business or love you have to know ((when)) to take the risk.
If you dont know how to judge an opponent they are of course more "dangerous" to you. Those you can analyze you have a better time against. It is why those people who are unprepared do worse. Like so many rightys in their first couple of spars against a lefty.Quote:
Originally Posted by bksposterchild
If you dont know how to do something or dont think you know how to use something effectively. Try to get it worked out before you enter the ring if at all possible. If that is not possible, try it as few a times as possible when in the ring so there is less of a chance for you to end up in a bad "position".
Oh I dont rule keeping your front hand down as a given. I have seen people use it effectively, but for most who try they fail. RJJ is a master at this though, he has the option to bend. The majority cant do this.
Andre, what is the point of the excersize?
Also what is a mug boxer?
*I have a fair idea what this is but I am still uncertain*
I am not trying to be an ass, if that is what you think. These are genuine questions.
Well bro, the point of the exersize in here, is that we are all in the same boat just throwing around ideas that work or sometimes dont; it's up to the individual to take onboard whatever they want to or chuck whatever they want to.
Thats what I ment when I answered "thats not the point of the exersize to this question; (You seriously think RJJ would not have a better defense if he kept his hands up?)
No one in here will take offence if one thing works for some and not for others,thats all I ment.
A mug boxer is just a bend of the saying "its a mugs game". Most boxers dont make it,thats an unfortunate fact in a very tough sport, they are mugs thinking they ever could let alone trying with just the basics behind them, ;unfortunate but true.
I was just saying it because to really make it, you have to have absolutley everything going for you,luck ,skill ,balls ,vision,natuaral ability,the right trainer,the right managment the right timing in and out of the ring.You need the correct opponents to build up on and not be used for someone else to climb the ladder on your losses. You need to stand out from the crowd to attract the attention to get the breaks and that means a ko power or a skillfull ringmaster or both,theres no great breaks, for a normal stand up boxer! its long hard road that doesnt always lead to the top. Thats why people say "it a mugs game".
Keeping your front hand down is a flaw, prior to popular belief you dont need to protect your hip.
To get back to the crux of the matter; I wasnt baging what you said up there; as we know it would be stupid to go there if you were a standard fighter,
i just pointed out why Roy and others use it and their reasoning behind its avantage for them.
Aside from the stamping of Authority, It can force some opponents to overcommit when comming in, it can distract their vision downwards slightly too which they are not used to when they are comming forwards .It can also create openings that dont usuallly occur.
Roy was not in that position when Tarver caught him.
Thanks for awnsering my questions Andre.
I wonder how are young freind Ippo is handleing this.
Besides my own personal questions that is.
A few more questions though *I hope you dont mind*, Andre have you seen Ippo's Road to Glory?
It is a fun anime*cartoon* to watch. Though over-exaggerated, I think this is what are young freind with the moniker Ippo was refering too. The "flicker jab" of Ryo Mashiba. If you have not, and you are interested I will try to get you an episode where he performs this technique so you too can base the credibility of this maneuver.
RJJ is for real, what he does and how he performs is authentic. Ryo Mashiba however.*shakes head*
I dont want this young man, to have the impression that it is going to be worthwhile to keep his hand down.
Next question.
Can an individual still perform well in proffessional without a amateur career?
*If so how much of a negative effect is there when you dont have an amateur career?*
What is the little book that other boxers have told me about that they must keep with them at all times and what does it do?
Why are proffessional "tomato-cans" allowed on the proffessional circuit? I am talking about the guys that fight and are 0-40-0-0. Is it just a matter of money?
*I'll stop here, I dont think you want to waste that much time on me. I have alot of questions, maybe I should make a thread myself.*
I have no idea exactly whats in the book mate, although their is a pro record and licence,just recently there has been moves in some states for boxers to have compulsory brain scans each year ,so i suppose the books will then have to have that stamped in them too, for those states. Australia has it as law now.
I suppose in truth the cans are just tee offs for better fighters really (there are tomato cans in all sports ,its up to them if they keep trying i suppose) my grounding is in martial arts although i reached a stage where we were told, now go and study all the rest of the styles out there as a pelimenary to the final grading,so my view is broad enough but not strictly just western boxing although as a fight fan that is where my heart now lies.
Things in here just seem to have evolved into me as being the one here long enough and with enough boxing friends around to have some of the answers... since the real Trainer Howard Rainey either decided against it, or his computer melted or something ,we have no idea ???
IT has evolved into a more share your info board for everyone which I think is great and the only way to go forward .
Im really just a moderator (which means I get to delete any rasict stuff or things the general public wont like)on a front board.
On the amature thing , some pros have done great with no or little amature carears.
Anthony Mundine for one, fights like an amature and never was one Hahahaha, Im funny ,
he turned pro straight out of playing rugby. Im joking about him fighting like an amature,
He is a very polished fighter and holds his own with some real pro talent. He just lacks a chin maybe?it hasnt been really tested because his skill keeps him safe mostly.He got ko'd once fighting for the world title against Spen Okktte but that was a temple shot as he got cocky and turned side on... he was way ahead on points.
I havent seen Ippos road to glory ,
Is it a serious styled cartoon?
Well it is dramatic.
But it over empathises technique and fighting spirit, they believe guts can conquer skill. Which does happen, but rarely. It is no common thing, and it comes hard damn it!
The fights where the people dont have techniques are the most intrigueing. It is fairly logical. But when they use their "skills" they are most often in another world.
Ryo Mashiba is a feather weight and he is probably 5'10" to six feet tall. Thats a hell of alot of height on a feather weight if I am not mistaken!
The techniques for the most part that they perform on their behalf is done in a over-dramatic fashion. The flicker jab is seen as a ton of "lights" floating between your head and body, as you are left confused by the whipping motions that are takeing place.
There is a fighter called Ryuhi in the series that can punch you twenty six times, in the period it takes a fighter to go from falling*the last punch he used to knock his opponent down * to hitting the mat. :o
The fighters have weakness's in the show. But they are over shadowed by their incredible strenghts for the most part. They have a bad time of showing how rough training gets when you give your charachters "super powers".
If I can find it and you want me to I will send you that episode via computer with Mashiba so you can take a look see.
My opinion might be biased on if this is a good show though. I like anime, ecspecially those that have to do with martial arts.
I wouldnt get it all mate ,thanks anyway, Im on dial up.
Dial up, thats to bad. :(
Well maby when you get an upgrade at some point or another.
THOMAS HEARNS
That is what they "say" they base the flicker jab on In Ippo. It is based off Hearns then blown way out of proportion.
Check out their version of the Dempsey Roll, or Peek'a' boo style boxing. Ryuhais shotgun/pistol punch.
whats dial up?
Dial up connection mate. His access to the internet is 56k if I am not mistaken. The connection is not "good".Quote:
Originally Posted by JDYgamer
technically the flicker jab is a real punch, and a hard one to block against, being that it is a quick jab thrown below the eye level so it may come from your opponents blind spot, but very difficult to use, since it is hard to throw a quick bunch in a stance such as the "Hitman" style. So the legend of the strike can or cant be true, depending on who throws the punch.
OMG try downloaidng hajimeno ippo its like a boxing anime based on styles form world war 2 in japan , and ippos road to glory is the movie part its still cool :) you should see andre. i have whole episodes and movie but its gonna be hard to find on torret sites because most of them are being out casted
Think of it this way, u hav ur hnds up u still gt boxed in the head body etc. when u hav a hand down low u hav to watch two different hands ratha thn two aligned elbows. If u thnk it is too risky thn dnt do it. ppl hav their own style and thts y they bcome champs. plus u can move ur high glove to both sides of ya face, or dodge. i hav one hand lower than the otha, my lead left. i find it easier 2 dodge and slip punches. or a cheeky duck and punch 2 da side and thn to the top. If ya dnt attack then ya dnt win, also lower hand means they r naturally gona go for the open side!
I love the using flicker jab it is so fast.
Hitman or open style stance But it hard to learn them. But I master it.
Many- I would venture to say most- of boxing's great defensive fighters fought with a low left hand and in terms of "proper" technical boxing using the shoulder to defend against the right hand is the superior technique as it provides better counter-punchingopportunities and it leaves both hands free to counter. Also there is less damage done tan there is when putting one's left glove against one's head and blocking the right. The idea is to avoid or to deflect as much impact as is possible.
If you watch tpe of Charley Burley, Archie Moore, Walcott, Charles, even James Toney they jab from the hip and it is anything but a light flicking punch. Eddie Futch was discussing the great Holman Williams in an interview and made reference to his rising jab, which hedescribed as a sort of "back handed uppercut." Tape of the fighters that utilized this punch will show that while the left was low they carried their chins well behind the left houlder, fought out of a semi-crouch and had their left hip and shoulder so far forward- towards their opponent- as to be almost sideways.
This makes one very hard to hit with right hands, and makes an opponent walk around and into your right hand if he tries to land his hook. The 'rising jab' comes into play as the opponent jabs; either slip or parry so that his jab goes over your left shoulder, stepping in with the left foot by slightly pushing off the right. The left glove, the left arm straight, comes straight u7p from the hip, timed to meet the foe's cin as he steps in behind the jab you made him miss. This is a very jolting blow, and over time causes considerable damage.
I would also argue that , if done in the manner described above it makes one less vulnerable to right hands, due to the stance and the crouch. In fact it lends itself to drawing and countering the right with a return right to head or body.
fighting with your left hand low has its ups and downs. 1 of the good things is that it confuses an opponent. this is because when your standing in a "proper" stance your not in a fighting position, your in a blocking position.
It was originally created by Thomas 'Hitman' Hearns
He used it in alot of his fights
open style stance is nice to use and you swing is a lot Faster. but do your right sit on your chin i do not know.
its easy u just have to know how to do it right ...most people who try tend to move there shoulder then the arm and then the hand like a whip THIS IS WRONG and if you look in the mirror youll notice its easy to see coming ....u need to move your hand 1st in an inward motion upwards almost like an upper cut (flicking jab only works when you let that left hand hang low otherwise its just a normal jabQuote:
Originally Posted by Ippo
anyway b4 u try doing this look in the mirror and make sure its not a punch u can see a mile away ....if u just watch to see how it LOOKED when ali did it youll do it wrong ;)
The key to this punch is that you don't snap it; you put the left arm out stiffly and let it rise. Holman Williams, Archie Moore, Charley Burley, Cocoa Kid, Eddie Booker, Joe Walcott, there were dozens if not hundreds of fighters in the 1920s, 1930s and 1940s who fought with the low eft utilizing this type of jab.
Watch the way Thomas Hearns jabs thats a flicker jab.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre