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Just how good was Ray Leonard?
I noticed there are a few people that rate SRL very highly and those who think he is totally overated...So i wanted to see what the rest of the board think. IMO he is one of the best p4p fighters ever.
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Originally Posted by cockey cockney
I noticed there are a few people that rate SRL very highly and those who think he is totally overated...So i wanted to see what the rest of the board think. IMO he is one of the best p4p fighters ever.
Def a p4p great, but his career had flaws. Credit to him for winning the first fight with Hearns, but the first 13.5 rounds of that showed one of 2 things. How great Hearns was, ro that Leonards was 'slightly' overrrated. A fighter who is schooled in their prime raises question marks imo.
That said, he won the fight so what do I know!! ;)
p4p I would say...
Duran
Hagler
Leonard
Hearns
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Re: Just how good was Ray Leonard?
Very overrated. He was a good fighter. But not a great one. His constant retirements and ducking of fighters hurt him.
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Very overrated. He was a good fighter. But not a great one. His constant retirements and ducking of fighters hurt him.
wtf? he beat the greatest fighters of his generation and all hof
duran
hearns
benitez
hagler
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I can't let my emotions take over...but I couldn't stand the fwocker.
But he was one of the G.O.A.T.S.
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I can't let my emotions take over...but I couldn't stand the fwocker.
But he was one of the G.O.A.T.S.
Hey Wacko, for the unenlightened like myself what does that stand for?
I'd say he was def top 10 all time, maybe top 5. By the way I'd put Duran right up there as well.
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Very overrated. He was a good fighter. But not a great one. His constant retirements and ducking of fighters hurt him.
wtf? he beat the greatest fighters of his generation and all hof
duran
hearns
benitez
hagler
I'm well aware of who he beat. Like I said, he was good. But if you look close, you see he also lost to Duran, Hearns (draw, yeah sure) Hagler (without a doubt it was a lost) and Terry Norris. He refused to rematch Hearns and fight Hagler when they were in there prime. Instead waiting till when he taught they were shot. And he also ducked Aaron Pryor and Michael Nunn. Good fighter. Not great.
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Originally Posted by LawHoops
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Very overrated. He was a good fighter. But not a great one. His constant retirements and ducking of fighters hurt him.
wtf? he beat the greatest fighters of his generation and all hof
duran
hearns
benitez
hagler
I'm well aware of who he beat. Like I said, he was good. But if you look close, you see he also lost to Duran, Hearns (draw, yeah sure) Hagler (without a doubt it was a lost) and Terry Norris. He refused to rematch Hearns and fight Hagler when they were in there prime. Instead waiting till when he taught they were shot. And he also ducked Aaron Pryor and Michael Nunn. Good fighter. Not great.
Who do you think was the best of that era violent demise? Leaonard, Hagler, Hearns or Duran?
Personally for me it's Duran because he succeeded in so many weight divisions and over so long a time span. Absolutely awesome fighter.
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Very overrated. He was a good fighter. But not a great one. His constant retirements and ducking of fighters hurt him.
wtf? he beat the greatest fighters of his generation and all hof
duran
hearns
benitez
hagler
I'm well aware of who he beat. Like I said, he was good. But if you look close, you see he also lost to Duran, Hearns (draw, yeah sure) Hagler (without a doubt it was a lost) and Terry Norris. He refused to rematch Hearns and fight Hagler when they were in there prime. Instead waiting till when he taught they were shot. And he also ducked Aaron Pryor and Michael Nunn. Good fighter. Not great.
Who do you think was the best of that era violent demise? Leaonard, Hagler, Hearns or Duran?
Personally for me it's Duran because he succeeded in so many weight divisions and over so long a time span. Absolutely awesome fighter.
Hearns is my favorite, but I'll have to say Hagler. His wins over Hearns, Duran and Leonard (it was a win) are the reason why. Unlike Leonard he ducked nobody. Actually Hearns and Duran also never ducked anybody, either. Just Leonard.
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Very overrated. He was a good fighter. But not a great one. His constant retirements and ducking of fighters hurt him.
wtf? he beat the greatest fighters of his generation and all hof
duran
hearns
benitez
hagler
I'm well aware of who he beat. Like I said, he was good. But if you look close, you see he also lost to Duran, Hearns (draw, yeah sure) Hagler (without a doubt it was a lost) and Terry Norris. He refused to rematch Hearns and fight Hagler when they were in there prime. Instead waiting till when he taught they were shot. And he also ducked Aaron Pryor and Michael Nunn. Good fighter. Not great.
Who do you think was the best of that era violent demise? Leaonard, Hagler, Hearns or Duran?
Personally for me it's Duran because he succeeded in so many weight divisions and over so long a time span. Absolutely awesome fighter.
Hearns is my favorite, but I'll have to say Hagler. His wins over Hearns, Duran and Leonard (it was a win) are the reason why. Unlike Leonard he ducked nobody. Actually Hearns and Duran also never ducked anybody, either. Just Leonard.
Yeah but Hagler only ever won at middleweight, Duran was unbeatable at lightweight, then won titles at light welter, welter, junior middle and middleweight. Plus he reigned for about 20 years, whereas Halger only ever won at middleweight if I remember and then quit after the Leanard fight.
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Very overrated. He was a good fighter. But not a great one. His constant retirements and ducking of fighters hurt him.
wtf? he beat the greatest fighters of his generation and all hof
duran
hearns
benitez
hagler
I'm well aware of who he beat. Like I said, he was good. But if you look close, you see he also lost to Duran, Hearns (draw, yeah sure) Hagler (without a doubt it was a lost) and Terry Norris. He refused to rematch Hearns and fight Hagler when they were in there prime. Instead waiting till when he taught they were shot. And he also ducked Aaron Pryor and Michael Nunn. Good fighter. Not great.
Who do you think was the best of that era violent demise? Leaonard, Hagler, Hearns or Duran?
Personally for me it's Duran because he succeeded in so many weight divisions and over so long a time span. Absolutely awesome fighter.
Hearns is my favorite, but I'll have to say Hagler. His wins over Hearns, Duran and Leonard (it was a win) are the reason why. Unlike Leonard he ducked nobody. Actually Hearns and Duran also never ducked anybody, either. Just Leonard.
Yeah but Hagler only ever won at middleweight, Duran was unbeatable at lightweight, then won titles at light welter, welter, junior middle and middleweight. Plus he reigned for about 20 years, whereas Halger only ever won at middleweight if I remember and then quit after the Leanard fight.
If you going by all there fights in other divisions, than I got no problem with saying Duran was the best. You got to remember Hearns won titles in mulitple division as well. He went from Welterweight all the way up to Light Heavyweight. Which is very impressive
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
I can't let my emotions take over...but I couldn't stand the fwocker.
But he was one of the G.O.A.T.S.
Hey Wacko, for the unenlightened like myself what does that stand for?
I'd say he was def top 10 all time, maybe top 5. By the way I'd put Duran right up there as well.
Greatest
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GOAT
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Very overrated. He was a good fighter. But not a great one. His constant retirements and ducking of fighters hurt him.
wtf? he beat the greatest fighters of his generation and all hof
duran
hearns
benitez
hagler
I'm well aware of who he beat. Like I said, he was good. But if you look close, you see he also lost to Duran, Hearns (draw, yeah sure) Hagler (without a doubt it was a lost) and Terry Norris. He refused to rematch Hearns and fight Hagler when they were in there prime. Instead waiting till when he taught they were shot. And he also ducked Aaron Pryor and Michael Nunn. Good fighter. Not great.
Who do you think was the best of that era violent demise? Leaonard, Hagler, Hearns or Duran?
Personally for me it's Duran because he succeeded in so many weight divisions and over so long a time span. Absolutely awesome fighter.
Hearns is my favorite, but I'll have to say Hagler. His wins over Hearns, Duran and Leonard (it was a win) are the reason why. Unlike Leonard he ducked nobody. Actually Hearns and Duran also never ducked anybody, either. Just Leonard.
Yeah but Hagler only ever won at middleweight, Duran was unbeatable at lightweight, then won titles at light welter, welter, junior middle and middleweight. Plus he reigned for about 20 years, whereas Halger only ever won at middleweight if I remember and then quit after the Leanard fight.
If you going by all there fights in other divisions, than I got no problem with saying Duran was the best. You got to remember Hearns won titles in mulitple division as well. He went from Welterweight all the way up to Light Heavyweight. Which is very impressive
Yeah agreed, although he was big even for a middleweight and simply should not have been allowed to fight at 147!
I liked Tommy but his chin and the fact that he was physically the most gifted makes me favour Duran. He wasn't very big but just was hard as nails.
I remember watching him fight Barkely, he looked about 50 years old and I thought there was no way on earth he would win but he was awesome. One round he got caught flush, back on the jaw whilst thowing a punch, the sort that Castillo KO'd Coralles with, Duran barely even staggered. Probably top 4 or 5 all time I reckon.
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I can't let my emotions take over...but I couldn't stand the fwocker.
But he was one of the G.O.A.T.S.
Hey Wacko, for the unenlightened like myself what does that stand for?
I'd say he was def top 10 all time, maybe top 5. By the way I'd put Duran right up there as well.
Greatest
Of
All
Time
GOAT
Ahh pretty obvious really! :-[ ;D
For some reason I had in mind that GOATSE image that you see on the net :o
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Re: Just how good was Ray Leonard?
Duran was overrated at lightweight imo
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How can someone say SRL is overated. The only reason he lost to Duran the first time was because he wanted to trade with him instead of boxing, we have seen fighters make that mistake before (Meldric Taylor). But he came back and clearly outboxed Duran in the second fight, you could see who the better boxer was. Second off it does not matter if Tommy Hearns was up on the scorecard, KO's count in boxing, it's the goal of every fighter to KO their opponent. It was a mega fight and for Leonard to score a KO is simply brilliant, specially over someone the caliber of Hearns (Undefeated). Third is the Hagler fight where niether fighter was impressive, it was a lackluster fight that did not live up to the hype. Hagler dominated that division in even though I scored the fight in favor of Hagler in a close decision his performance in that fight was poor and he should have dominated. Leonard beat every legion in that generation (Near his weight) so whoever believes that he was not a great fighter should not even be debating on this forum because their knowledge of fighting his very poor. Like Wacko said don't let your emotions take over, call it like you see it not what you want it to be.
One last thing, Leonard Vs Hearns 2 took place years beyond their prime, and the fight was built on the two boxer's legacy. Hearns should have one on points, but why is it such a big deal. You saw what happened in their prime. If Roy Jones fought Evander Holyfield and outboxed him but lost a decision would it make a difference. NO!
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:coolclick: gbrandon.
Good post...but I still think that Hagler did enough to win. ;D ;)
Heh heh heh.
Fwock emotions!!! SRL can suck my balls! Heh heh heh heh.
GOAT my ass!!! ;D
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:coolclick: gbrandon.
Good post...but I still think that Hagler did enough to win. ;D ;)
Heh heh heh.
Fwock emotions!!! SRL can suck my balls! Heh heh heh heh.
GOAT my a**!!! ;D
CC back, and for the record I believe Hagler should have one a close decision, it upset me when he left boxing because the only people he hurt by doing that was himself and his fans.
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Originally Posted by cockey cockney
I noticed there are a few people that rate SRL very highly and those who think he is totally overated...So i wanted to see what the rest of the board think. IMO he is one of the best p4p fighters ever.
Def a p4p great, but his career had flaws. Credit to him for winning the first fight with Hearns, but the first 13.5 rounds of that showed one of 2 things. How great Hearns was, ro that Leonards was 'slightly' overrrated. A fighter who is schooled in their prime raises question marks imo.
That said, he won the fight so what do I know!! ;)
p4p I would say...
Duran
Hagler
Leonard
Hearns
In boxing there are always some fighters who give problems to some fighters, its how you adjust to them that shows your greatness. Leonard was getting schooled by Hearns because of his height, his quick long jab and his power and he didn't want to leave the fight for a rematch and in the end Koed hearns. I think that kind of defies the notion that he was overrated plus Hearns is no slouch, the only other fighter who did that to hearns was hagler.
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SRL overrated??? Heck no..... ONe of the G O A T.
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The first Lenoard Hearns fight ,listening to people talk about it Makes me wonder If I was watching the same fight. Jesus this dates me Id been a coach for 14 years then. took 5 of my boxers to watch it. For 4 rounds Hearns pissed it, from then on Lenoard was the Guvnor making Hearns do what He wanted Him to do. Making Him work When He wanted to rest, He walked Him down in every facet of the game.He executed the perfect way to beat Hearns Yes he was just behind on points, but coming on strong.For anybody who hasnt seen the fight get it its an education on Boxing at its best. Who on the night were the best 2 Welterweights Ive ever seen, both at their peak. Im a big fan of both they were special
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SRL took over the middle rounds and once Hearns was hurt, basically he was just on his bike for the rest of the fight.
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Duran was overrated at lightweight imo
WHAT?
Explain to me how Duran was not top 2 in the Lightweight divsion, I can see no reason how Duran can be anything but; my list:
10 Sammy Angott
9 Julio Cesar Chavez
8 Bob Montgomery
7 Ike Williams
6 Battling Nelson
5 Joe Gans
4 Pernell Whitaker
3 Henry Armstrong
2 Benny Leonard
1 Roberto Duran
Mentions: Jack McAuliffe, George Lavigne, Frank Erne, Tony Canzoneri, Barney Ross, Lou Ambers, Beau Jack, Jimmy Carter, Carlos Ortiz, Ken Buchanan, Esteban DeJesus, Guts Ishimatsu (Ishimatsu Suzuki), Alexis Arguello, Edwin Rosario, Jose Luis Ramirez, Hector Camacho Snr, Oscar de la Hoya, Shane Mosley, Steve Johnson, Jose Luis Castillo and Floyd Mayweather Jr
As for Leonard, I loathe the bloke with a passion, but even I can accept he is one the 15 finest fighters ever; sadly.
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Duran fought only 2 world champions at lightweight out of 70 something fights...the rest were mediocre.
If that's not overrated i don't know what is
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Duran fought only 2 world champions at lightweight out of 70 something fights...the rest were mediocre.
If that's not overrated i don't know what is
Going into the Leonard rematch, Duran had met Buchanan, DeJesus, Suzuki (Guts Ishimatsu), Mamby, Palomino and Leonard, and had a 7-1 record against World title holders, including avenging the one defeat (against DeJesus) Twice! ;)
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Duran fought only 2 world champions at lightweight out of 70 something fights...the rest were mediocre.
If that's not overrated i don't know what is
Going into the Leonard rematch, Duran had met Buchanan, DeJesus, Suzuki (Guts Ishimatsu), Mamby, Palomino and Leonard, and had a 7-1 record against World title holders, including avenging the one defeat (against DeJesus) Twice! ;)
This is what i mean, Duran only fought a handful of guys who were actually world caliber (world champions)....and he lost against one of them. The Ken Buchacan fight was also contreversial aswell.
Imo, it's not exactly impressive to have 70 fights and fight only 4 world champions and lose to one of them.
Anyway he fought SRL at WW
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Duran fought only 2 world champions at lightweight out of 70 something fights...the rest were mediocre.
If that's not overrated i don't know what is
Going into the Leonard rematch, Duran had met Buchanan, DeJesus, Suzuki (Guts Ishimatsu), Mamby, Palomino and Leonard, and had a 7-1 record against World title holders, including avenging the one defeat (against DeJesus) Twice! ;)
This is what i mean, Duran only fought a handful of guys who were actually world caliber (world champions)....and he lost against one of them. The Ken Buchacan fight was also contreversial aswell.
Imo, it's not exactly impressive to have 70 fights and fight only 4 world champions and lose to one of them.
Anyway he fought SRL at WW
He fought six, when there was a maximim of two world champs in each division. And because he dominated the Lightweights; himself, DeJesus and Suzuki (Guts Ishimatsu) were the only champs between 73 and 78, and Duran was 3-0 against them two fighters in that period. As well as beating 140lbs World title holder Mamby...
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Duran was something else,The length of his career says it all Much better Boxer than people give him credit for a predator in the finest mold, If anybody talks about fighting men, his is the first name that comes into my head
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Even though SRL was before my time..I always thought of him as a GOAT then I seen a special on a Guy called the HAWK , I watched the HAWK call SRL out while they both were HOT commodities and SRL totally ignored him..as of that moment (in my mind) the GREAT SRL was a coward... I could see him as nothing more after that.... Can someone shed any light on this for me?
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Even though SRL was before my time..I always thought of him as a GOAT then I seen a special on a Guy called the HAWK , I watched the HAWK call SRL out while they both were HOT commodities and SRL totally ignored him..as of that moment (in my mind) the GREAT SRL was a coward... I could see him as nothing more after that.... Can someone shed any light on this for me?
I suspect 'The Hawk' you are talking about is Aaron Pryor. Pryor was a superb Lightweight, who had to move up to 140lbs to get his title shot. By the time he peaked, Leonard had retired (after the Finch fight), and by the time Leonard had comeback sadly Pryor was a hopeless crack addict, who was losing to journeyman Bobby Joe Young...
I am no Leonard fan, but Ray never avoided a Pryor fight IMO, timing meant, it just was never considered a serious fight on the table.
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Duran fought only 2 world champions at lightweight out of 70 something fights...the rest were mediocre.
If that's not overrated i don't know what is
Going into the Leonard rematch, Duran had met Buchanan, DeJesus, Suzuki (Guts Ishimatsu), Mamby, Palomino and Leonard, and had a 7-1 record against World title holders, including avenging the one defeat (against DeJesus) Twice! ;)
This is what i mean, Duran only fought a handful of guys who were actually world caliber (world champions)....and he lost against one of them. The Ken Buchacan fight was also contreversial aswell.
Imo, it's not exactly impressive to have 70 fights and fight only 4 world champions and lose to one of them.
Anyway he fought SRL at WW
He fought six, when there was a maximim of two world champs in each division. And because he dominated the Lightweights; himself, DeJesus and Suzuki (Guts Ishimatsu) were the only champs between 73 and 78, and Duran was 3-0 against them two fighters in that period. As well as beating 140lbs World title holder Mamby...
It dosen't take away the fact that he fought countless bums and defended his crown against average fighters with 25-4-0 records....The best guys he beat (Mamby etc) weren't exactly worldbeaters too, as far as i can see.
He was a great champion in a mediocre era imo
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It dosen't take away the fact that he fought countless bums and defended his crown against average fighters with 25-4-0 records....The best guys he beat (Mamby etc) weren't exactly worldbeaters too, as far as i can see.
He was a great champion in a mediocre era imo
Duran fought the best there was in a strong division, even non title fights, he fought the calibre of Mamby, Virut and Palomino. The likes of Lampkin, Suzuki (Ishimatsu), DeJesus and Buchanan would be top notch contenders at 135lbs IMO today, and Duran beat them all.
Duran and Benny Leonard were easily the finest fighters ever at 135lbs IMO.
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Every great fights mediocre oppenents during their reign, look at JCC and the cab drivers he fought ;D
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It dosen't take away the fact that he fought countless bums and defended his crown against average fighters with 25-4-0 records....The best guys he beat (Mamby etc) weren't exactly worldbeaters too, as far as i can see.
He was a great champion in a mediocre era imo
Duran fought the best there was in a strong division, even non title fights, he fought the calibre of Mamby, Virut and Palomino. The likes of Lampkin, Suzuki (Ishimatsu), DeJesus and Buchanan would be top notch contenders at 135lbs IMO today, and Duran beat them all.
Duran and Benny Leonard were easily the finest fighters ever at 135lbs IMO.
I think Pernell Whitaker would have beat Duran and Benny Leonard IMO at 135, they would have not hit Whitaker
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Very overrated. He was a good fighter. But not a great one. His constant retirements and ducking of fighters hurt him.
wtf? he beat the greatest fighters of his generation and all hof
duran
hearns
benitez
hagler
Lets look at that list.....
Duran-Roberto Duran won the first of the three fights, bout #2- Look into the reasons he really quit that fight....I believe him...Bout #3-Two old guys scrapping it out for 12 rounds...
Hearns- If SRL would have fought Hearns five years earlier when Hearns wanted the fight, do you actually believe SRL would have won then??? Me, HELL NO!! Hearns would have knocked him out like everyone else...
Benitez-Only credible win out of the 4
Hagler-GOT RIPPED OFF!!!!! I fell you have to fight the whole fight to win a fight....30 second bursts just dont cut it in my book....There is 3 mins in a round!!
So yeah, I agree that SRL was overated, A good fighter, but overated...He cared more about the money than he did the fights, this is why he ducked fighters in their prime to later take them out when they were out of their prime....
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Minus the first Duran fight, the best P4P from 1979-82. After that the constant retirements and comeback just sucked as he went 4-2-1. IMO
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Very overrated. He was a good fighter. But not a great one. His constant retirements and ducking of fighters hurt him.
wtf? he beat the greatest fighters of his generation and all hof
duran
hearns
benitez
hagler
Lets look at that list.....
Duran-Roberto Duran won the first of the three fights, bout #2- Look into the reasons he really quit that fight....I believe him...Bout #3-Two old guys scrapping it out for 12 rounds...
Hearns- If SRL would have fought Hearns five years earlier when Hearns wanted the fight, do you actually believe SRL would have won then??? Me, HELL NO!! Hearns would have knocked him out like everyone else...
Benitez-Only credible win out of the 4
Hagler-GOT RIPPED OFF!!!!! I fell you have to fight the whole fight to win a fight....30 second bursts just dont cut it in my book....There is 3 mins in a round!!
So yeah, I agree that SRL was overated, A good fighter, but overated...He cared more about the money than he did the fights, this is why he ducked fighters in their prime to later take them out when they were out of their prime....
Cc for not being blind to the facts. Unlike some of these other Leonard groupies.
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Im not a groupie, Had a pro licence longer than youve lived. Were talking about a bunch of fighters and 1 in particular who we might not see the like of again. you werent there to see it shame for you.
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Im not a groupie, Had a pro licence longer than youve lived. Were talking about a bunch of fighters and 1 in particular who we might not see the like of again. you werent there to see it shame for you.
I seen Leonards fights. I stand by my opinion. The fact that you once fought dosn't really impress me since I learn to box at 7 years old and have fought in a ring as well. Leonard was good. But not great
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Even though SRL was before my time..I always thought of him as a GOAT then I seen a special on a Guy called the HAWK , I watched the HAWK call SRL out while they both were HOT commodities and SRL totally ignored him..as of that moment (in my mind) the GREAT SRL was a coward... I could see him as nothing more after that.... Can someone shed any light on this for me?
I think the description of coward is a bit harsh. No one who fights Duran, Hearns and Hagler can ever
be called a coward. As for the Hawk, i think as a welter he would have struggled with Ray,Tommy and
Roberto imo.
