CAN ANY OF THE AMERICANS BRING IT BACK TO AMERICA??????????
:P i don't think so.......
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CAN ANY OF THE AMERICANS BRING IT BACK TO AMERICA??????????
:P i don't think so.......
Buy "own" do you mean bought and paid for?
not really that impressed with any of them atm
Sergio is good, but Wlad is chinny
i think wlad chin is okay...he has a brutal offense his oppenent have to survive and a jab thats hard to past by and now his able to last 12 rounds...i think wlad is the best heavyweight out there right now...he was knock around by sanders but sanders can knock any one out...and wlad was drop by sam peter but again sam has a strong punch...the knock out lost to brewster i think that was due to wlad getting drug or just wasn't in condition but weird how he got tired all of a sudden in that fight...Quote:
Originally Posted by The_One77
in the brewster fight he punched himself out, basically as you said he wasn't in condition.Quote:
Originally Posted by babyboNe
But im not covinced about his chin, it seems whenever he gets hit he dosen't seem to take a good punch at all.
The greatest Russian Heavyweight of all time was Drago from Rocky 4 and he is of course a fictional character, but even though fictional he can beat all those bums.
I think there are a few American HW comming up....
Tye Fields 36-1 33KOs, Big guy, hard hitter with KO power....Needs a few solid fights to establish himself, but if he goes like he is now, could be our next American HW...
The big problem we have had over the years with our HW has been people like Don King fucking up their heads and careers....
If you look at most of the HW that have come from US and have been managed by Don King, all end up with legal battles, either with Law Suits or Criminal Cases...
I think we need to look deeper in America, and look at some of the HW comming up, get them more chances at fights and maybe, just maybe it will happen...
**NOT WANTING TO SOUND RASCIST, so please understand what I am saying atm**
As I was told by a promoter at a fight about a year ago, the big push for a good lookin white HW is what everyone is lookin for atm....Just about when there could be one, he gets smashed...
So what is happening is this, not alot of Black HW are getting many chances and Unless the white HW has some PR credibility(looks, sellable features, etc...), he just aint going to get a fight...NO MATTER HOW STRONG OR GOOD THEY ARE!!!!
So what happens??
The US Promoters look overseas at people like Wlad and Vitali...
Good Looking, Good PR projects and very sellable in the USA....
Whay dont you think noone has jumped on getting Valuev to the states??? Can you imagine him in a Coke commercial??? NOT!! But yet, he is holding a belt, has beat some reputable fighters and could be the toughest guy out there...Is he going to be marketted like a champ??? NOPE, not by a long shot!!!
So when you wonder why there arent any American HW champs, look at the bigger picture...
The promoters dont give a shit about the American fighters out there....As long as they get that almighty dollar, they are happy with just what they can use....
cool click for the coach ;D
Personally, I think tjhat i fit in with the good-looking white HW question. Granted, I may have never boxed, or have the quality matching Shannon Briggs;' recent opponents, but beating the sugar out of 30 bags of pawder standing in front of me might give me areasoinable reputation with very little work :p
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Originally Posted by BoxingCoachBW
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Personally, I think tjhat i fit in with the good-looking white HW question. Granted, I may have never boxed, or have the quality matching Shannon Briggs;' recent opponents, but beating the sugar out of 30 bags of pawder standing in front of me might give me areasoinable reputation with very little work :p
nice record superheavy...28-0 huh maybe u are the next heavyweight white america is looking for...ahahah
I disagree....Quote:
Originally Posted by BoxingCoachBW
I'm sure there are loads of commercial possibilities for Valuev, he could feature as a special on bags of Monster Munch for example. Or maybe star in a commercial where he steals Sugar Puffs from the Honey Monster, you just need to use your imagination.
I'm fine with whoever the hell we get & no matter where he hails from...I'll suport him as long as he's legit.
i guess with comments like that is how you can get nearly 2000 cool clicks huh...haha but i agree with you doode...Quote:
Originally Posted by wacko3205
In the end...you gotta look at it like this...if the man keeps winning & besting champs & former champs & he makes waves...who gives a shat about country or race.Quote:
Originally Posted by babyboNe
Props to Lyle...he told me to believe in Wlad. All it takes is a little faith. Wlad is impressive & he's going to be the future. Can't wait for Klitschko vs Briggs in November.
wlad will k.o briggs come november...briggs only looks good against bum...wlad is no bum his the best heavyweight right now...so yea i agree with you again wlad is impressive and he is the future...well actually his time is now...Quote:
Originally Posted by wacko3205
Agreed. Briggs is on a winning streak...but against fwockin who?Quote:
Originally Posted by babyboNe
Wlad will drop him about the 9th round.
I also think Wlad will humilate Briggs. Last year Briggs stuggled to beat a 44 year old Ray Mercer. I was praying Mercer would win that fight. I was let down of course. Twice, really. Tua was suppposed to fight that night but he couldn't fight because of some sort of dental work he had done... RAAAAAAH-DICULOUS
I think the original thread was "Russian" fighters. The Eastern fighters are coming; they will dominate. My best friend played in the NFL. He said when they start playing American football, we have had it. The people have great strenghth and determination; ask Napoleon and Hitler. :P
Wladimir is best heavy going.
valuev is the only russian HW champ
and sultan is the only other russian born good HW
klitschkos = unkranian, wladimir = born in kazakhstan
sergei = belarus
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Originally Posted by SalTheButcher
WHAT???
Do you realize what all these use to be?
Good Luck,
Coach
yeah, NOT russian, they used to be soviet, belarus too, but NEVER were they russianQuote:
Originally Posted by BoxingCoachBW
That means you are British, Coach !Quote:
Originally Posted by BoxingCoachBW
If there was no NFL then ALL the HW champs would be from the USA and most of the top 100 as well.
i doubt that...if there was no nfl...america would be the fattest country no america is already the fattest country...those kids who wanted to be football players would either be basketball player or just another fat american...or worst in prison...if boxing had more attraction and if boxers got paid most then any other sport...then yes more americans would get in shape and be boxers...americans rather get paid then be proven great...football is more popular and football player earn more money then boxer and boxing...so americans rather get into team sports...Quote:
Originally Posted by 1st rd ko
other country don't have much team sports so they are dedicated in boxing...plus boxing is a tradition in lots of countrys...phillipines mexico italy germany etc...not in america...football is the tradition in america not boxing much anymore...so is baseball and basketball...here in america boxing is barely news on sports channel...its always basketball baseball football...hell even college sports get more attention then pro boxing in america...in other countrys its only boxing that is talked about...
the reason the NFL is more popular then NBA is because like 2 football teams have as many players as the whole NBA, there are ALOT of people in the NFL, and its the easiest sport to find a place on a pro team, NBA has to be the hardest, theres like under 20 on a team
its bigger then baseball cuz in the NFL you dont gotta spend 5 years playing consistentley for 100K a year in the minor league system
A bit off point but...Quote:
Originally Posted by SalTheButcher
One of the main reasons for the NFL's greatness is that every game counts. You play 16 regular season games and the playoffs are win or out. It's also what makes boxing great. 12 rounds...make them count.
Why is all this russian talk of the Heavyweight division? Whats the big deal who has the belt?
by popular i mean with people who are considering a career in sports, they go for football cuz they have the best chance at making moneyQuote:
Originally Posted by BoxingGorilla
That fight will not see the light of the fifth round, Klitschko by Ko and a scary moment for him in the latter part of the first.Quote:
Originally Posted by wacko3205
Ummmm...I think it is quite a big deal who has the main four belts.....that is what everyone is in boxing for after all, to win championships. And 95% of the time, who has the belts does indicate who are in the top tier of each division.Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
Or were you being sarcastic? (is there a sarcastic smiley?)
russians arnt jus taking over in boxing,
UFC champ was arlovski who is gonna be champ again in a few weeks.
he's russian, this guy dominated the mma in america like no other!
in PRIDE FC, has the best fighters and fights in the world...FEDOR who is also a russian, is the heavyweight champ! infact this guys undefeated too. Best mmartist eva. he is the equivlant to a mike tyson 88' .
its not jus happening in boxing!
It's the most downtrodden of people that become the best fighters. I always had a secret plan to go to the Ozarks and find the meanest, dirtiest, ugliest, kid you can find, and make him a champion. Some child whose mother never bounced him on her knee, whose father beat him like a borrowed mule, who never got a Christmas present and never had a birthday cake.
Take him and lock him in your basement with weights, heavy and speed bags, gloves, and a TV that shows nothing but fight footage 24 hrs a day. Then when he is ready bring him out and let him clean house...
WTF IS GOIN ON HERE?
THERE IS ONLY 1 RUSSIAN HW CHAMP, AND ONLY ONE OTHER RUSSIAN BORN DECENT HW
Truth is his chin is horrible and he has problems with fighters who move a lot. His offense is very good and he throws his punches perfect but he has to do everything mechanicaly. Problem is there is a difference between knowing how to get past him and actually doing it. If Wlad ever learns how to deal with pressure and guys who come at him hard the way sanders did he could have a long reignQuote:
Originally Posted by Legend KilleR
Truth is...his chin has proven to be more than durable...watch his fights...it aint his chin...it's his stamina.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
A man that get's clocked by one of the harder hitters (Sanders/Peter/Brewster) with flush shots & still get's up does not have a bad chin...a man that throws more punches than most 200+ pounders & then gasps for air until he falls to the canvas has a stamina problem.
Truth is that Wlad is the MAN in weak HWD for now.Who is next??? :)
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Originally Posted by X
LOL, you got that X!!!
Well, I feel they are all the same....
I just watched that Witherspoon kid fight last night....I like that kid, he looked good in a ring that was obviously hard for lighter fighters to fight in....
I like the kids personal history with fighting and Weight issues...
He seems to be well disciplined and presents himself well in the ring, Oh yeah, HE LISTENS EXTREMELY WELL!!!!
He might have a good future in the division...
they are all SOVIET, not russian, that would be like calling someone from kansas a new yorker
Since the collapse of the Soviet Union, we have seen two things:
- the Eastern European states have been opened up to the west much more than under the Soviets
- economic bankruptcy has led to the creation of a new underclass. In the UK now (especially in the South) nearly every low paid menial job is filled by an eastern european. That is not because they are any worse, or more stupid than anyone else, but simply that they come from a poorer background.
This means that we will see more and more eastern europeans in sports. The great Soviet and eastern bloc tradition of sport will help this, but the main contributor is that poor desperate people and immigrants tend to dominate sports like boxing (see: the Irish and the Jews in 1900 London and the states a bit later on, american black people after that, and now the Eastern Europeans?)
I suspect that we will get to see some great fighters in the next ten years who are Eastern European.
What do people think?