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I dont know but im really starting to think hes overhyped as a trainer, tonight with Julio he had NO effective advice for the kid all he said all night was stick the jab and stay focused ...Duhhh i was not impressed what he did with Tarver nor Gatti lately i dont know maybe im missing something but i dont think hes all that great
yea i notice he suck as a trainier lately too...........
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Originally Posted by ThA BrOnX BuLL
Yeah and don't forget what he did for the career of Jimmy Lange?
McGirt gave the right advice, Joel just didn't do it, he tries to be precise with every punch
McGirt is a little overhyped, but so are his fighters (most). What really blew me away was in the Tarver Hopkins fight he never tolt Tarver that he needed a knock out but instead kept the original gameplan though the final round even though Tarver was getting his @ss handed to him.
But the worst was when he tried to have Gatti outbox PBF. Freddie Roach is the best trainer today
Personally...to an extent...all trainers are over hyped unless theyv'e been with a fighter for the duration of his career.
Think about fighters like Tyson & Ali.
Cus D'Amato took Tyson offa the streets. Cus was there for the duration. He turned Tyson around & more or less...this sounds terrible...tamed the animal that Tyson was to where ti could actually function.
Angelo Dundee was with Muhammad Ali for twenty or twenty one years...that's a trainer that knows the man as the fighter. 21 year's over a few months makes the difference in the mental relationship of the trainer, the ring, & the fighter.
Hopkins or Wright of late.
Bouie knew & refined the Nard like the back of his hand after he came out of the joint. Hopkins had a gameplan...but Bouie made it materialize. You could often see Bouie literally thinking for the Nard in the corner. He was the brain that drove the arm.
Same with Birmingham & Wright.
That type of relationship I can see working...but these trainers that are thrown in for 5 or 6 fights don't make a new fighter. Not McGirt...& not the glorious Manny Stewart...who I do feel is overratted.
I truly think that they stretch themselves to thin over so many fighters.
I believe that it's all in the fighter & his abilities.
Know what I mean?
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Originally Posted by BoomBoom
To be honest Tarver and McGirt knew once he was in the ring with Hopkins that he just didn't have it, probably too much weight loss, not as good a training camp as Tarver seemed to think, he was just fighting for survival.
As for Gatti, it would have taken a miracle, even Moses couldn't couldn't have gotten him through that fight ;D
I truly think that they stretch themselves to thin over so many fighters.
I believe that it's all in the fighter & his abilities.
Know what I mean?
[/quote]exactly.....how can you put your full attention and heart into a fighter if you have like 20 more that you're training.....now if all you had were like 2 or 3 I could see it happening....heck, maybe as much as 5.....but not 20..........something would be missing.....
exactly.....how can you put your full attention and heart into a fighter if you have like 20 more that you're training.....now if all you had were like 2 or 3 I could see it happening....heck, maybe as much as 5.....but not 20..........something would be missing.....Quote:
Originally Posted by bigragu
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I don't know I mean all 20 arnt' in training camp all at the same time, and I'm sure McGirt and other trainers have pretty well worked out schedules so that each fighter gets full attention when needed.
I expect these trainers don't come on their own as well, McGirt probably has two or more assistants who help oversea training and to whom tasks can be delegated.
I've been asking myself the same question, it seems like everytime McGirt is in a fighter's corner as of late they lose. He's been on a pretty crappy run lately.
yea, kind of messed up the way Bouie said that there was no way Hopkins would ever beat Tarver ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by wacko3205
The thing is , a trainer is only going to be able to do so much for a fighter . Unless the trainer has brought them up from a pup , the fighter will have his way of doing things , which was instilled in him by previous trainers, some good and some bad, . Here is the thing Julio is a one dimensional fighter not unlike most huge punchers , who can easily be out boxed ,Julio is a fighter that is accustomed to mowing foes down in 3 or 4 rounds , What happens to fighters like this is they get discouraged and fatigued when forced to fight hard and long over a duration of 12 rounds. . , Very important to remember Julio was in there with another undefeated fighter who boxed and counterpunched well and was a southpaw to boot.Quote:
Originally Posted by ThA BrOnX BuLL
he had other advice,Quote:
Originally Posted by ThA BrOnX BuLL
"DRINK THE WATER BABY!!!"
I am sorry, but, I feel McGirt was entirely wrong with the advice he gave to Julio...Quote:
Originally Posted by Starr
Julio was behind, he didnt need to tell his fighter to NOT worry about the knock out, just keep working the jab...THE FUCKIN JAB WASNT WORKING!!! Also, if your fighter is behind and you tell him that, yeah, go for the knockout....
WTF McGirt?? I really like the guy, but he threw me off course last night listening to him in Julio's corner...
Gratz to Quintana for a well fought fight!! Very Impressive...
BTW, Brock lost a little credibility with me last night...
He was cheating like crazy in the ring last night....Alot of that came from the fact that he couldnt woop up on the guy like he wanted to....Why as a pro do you have to stoop to that level as a fighter??? Shame on Brock for that kind of fighting...
I think in a rematch Timur would knock his ass out....
Good Luck all,
Coach
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Originally Posted by BoxingCoachBW
Good point.Quote:
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Good point.Quote:
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Er...... let's not get carried away.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoxingCoachBW
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You make some excellent points about the Julio Corner ,Quote:
Originally Posted by BoxingCoachBW
That Heavyweight fight set the already lack luster division back even more ! What absolutely boring fight that was . I would say they both looked like amateurs except amateurs are a hell of allot busier and more accurate with their punches , like you said all the illegal tactics, made it even more painful to watch
CC Coach
i agree
Steward>RoachQuote:
Originally Posted by BoomBoom
So far I have not been to impressed with McGirt. From what I have seen and heard with him am not sure he can really take a fighter places. His between round info/speeches seem like he is lost at thinking any alternatives to what is happening to his fighters. It seems like as long as his figher is doing well then he is OK, but if they encounter any trouble then he gets shaky.
Enlighten me why :)Quote:
Originally Posted by BoxingCoachBW
But you fail to realise that Julio had been goin for the knockout since the third round. And he went for the knockout and Quintana would switch around and hit him with hard counters and have Julio backpeddling, Julio was looking for the knockout the whole fight and Quintana was countering him with hard shots. McGirt wanted Julio to settle down and try to go to the body and breakj Quintana down instead of stop him with one shot, which is what Julio was trying to do(stop him with one shot) and he got countered every time.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoxingCoachBW
if Timor could have beaten Brock he would have done it. But once Brock clocked him he decided to hold. Timor doesn't have it either, Brock is WIDE open for Right hands whenever he lunges, and when Timor used his right hand he was effective but he decided not to do it and landed no more then 5 punches a round, if anyone lost credibility it was Timor. I understand your points on Brock but Timor should have been able to do something about it but he neglected and thats why his corner was on himQuote:
Originally Posted by BoxingCoachBW
Watched the fight Last nite and it seemed like Julio wasnt listnening to Buddy at all seemed like he was loading up all nite...Obvious language barrier I only know English so I couldnt tell you if anything buddy was saying could have gotten lost in the translation...The kid just looked like he was hell bent on staying with the same thing regardless of what Buddy was telling him which is a maturity thing(I know he is only 21)....
Prince Badju the dude fighting Roy Jones next month is trained by Buddy...Curious to see if Roy will lose 3 straight to Fighters McGirt trains..
http://www.thesweetscience.com/image...230_092805.jpg
I GAVE HIM GREAT ADVICE
http://www.thesweetscience.com/image...230_040105.jpg
ITS NOT MY FAULT THAT HE COULDNT UTILIZE IT
http://www.boxnews.com.ua/photos/76/BuddyMcGirt3.jpg
HE JUST WOULDNT DRINK THAT WATER, BABY!!!
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Originally Posted by SalTheButcher
:lol: :lolhaha: RIDICULOUSLY FUNNY!!! :coolclick: Always loved those RUN-DMC glasses he wears
Thats what I was saying, Julio wouldn't listenQuote:
Originally Posted by jtrock
I agree julio wouldn't listen...maybe McGirt needs to become a more "in your face" kinda guy ala Atlas...but for the most part Buddy's still one of the very best, imo...
nah....the translator was SPOT ON........everything buddy said...the translator said perfectly.....Quote:
Originally Posted by jtrock
unlike hbo's ray torres.....that guy f*cking sucks....he butchers everything said by a spanish speaking corner.....seriously....dont trust a word that comes from that guys translations
that guy is the best, i dont care if he just makes up what he says, i like the way he talks, i allways find it funnyQuote:
Originally Posted by LIQUID6
Ray Torres sounds like a Shitty narrator for some discovery channel show
actually Emanuel Steward is still the best trainer today, Roach is in a very close second placeQuote:
Originally Posted by BoomBoom
I think I'll pass, if those two get together again... I'm not so sure that HWs, outdoors in the middle of the summer heat is such a great idea, anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoxingCoachBW