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i dont think Brock could beat sam peter or James toney for that matter
i was more impressed by brocks prefight documentary then the preformance lol
Brock would get out played by toney,and KTFO out6 by peter
other than that he seems like a great guy and Well rounded so i do like him but i wanna see him in a super fight where he needs to go to the trenches and come back out again ;D
anyway do my saddo bro's and Siss's agree or disagree?? ::**
I agree, especially with the statement "Brock is good of everything, but not great at anything"
I think he should get a title shot though, but he still needs a little work.
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Originally Posted by means2184
If you ask'd Calvin Brock he would prob say that was the McCline fight. HA!
I agree, I think toney is too experienced for brock and brock has very weak defence , so if peter lands a huge shot, brock could be in trouble
I'd take Brock over Peter, but not over an inshape Toney right now.
Brock is as good as his opponent...which makes him pretty bad at times. Zuri Lawrence gave him hell for a while.
I think Brock's power is more legit than Sam Peter's because the big punches he has landed have been technically sound and just good short punches. Sam swings like a wild man.
The problem the division has is we have too many title holders who won't fight each other for 1 reason or another which basically gives us 4 different divisions IBF, WBC, WBA, WBO. And the same people keep getting title shots, I'm sure Ruiz and Toney will get some soon, and the young stars aren't able to climb the ladder like they need they are inexperienced when they get to the big time contenders and title holders.
The division does need fights like Brock-Peter though...it needs to seperate the good from the bad and the ugly
and not as a Wlad fan, but objectively I can tell you Wlad would humiliate Calvin Brock. Cal likes being on the inside too much and he's too short to fight on the outside and honestly Brock doesn't like being hit, his chin is a HUGE question mark because McCline knocked him down.
I'll favor Brock to outbox Peter then Peter catches him with power in the middle rounds and end the fight
As I keep saying over & over & over...I want to be a believer in Brock...but he's got several weaknesses & thus far proven...his chin aint one of 'em...then again...he hasn't been hit by any punchers with knockout power other than McCline & Etienne.
I like Calvin he's from my homestate but he seems VERY average when he fights...I think it's due to Yankello who did the same thing with Paul Spadafora
calvin brock is another heavyweight joke we have we have to suffer watching...I DON'T EVER WANT TO SEE ANOTHER OF HIS FIGHTS...unless his getting his a$s whipped by wlady...
Yeah...I'll agree that he's a bit on the average side...but he does entertain & does the best he can do & that's good enough for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
He aint one of my favs...but I like to see him compete.
Brock seems like a nice guy.......humble etc. Problem is that once again, the boxing media was blowing this dude up a bit and then when I see him, its a little bit of a let down. His power is good but he has no jab to speak of, he's not very fast and his defence needs work.
I would like to see him fight Briggs, I also wouldn't mind seeing him in the ring with Brewster but I really don't think that this guy is ready to be a top level contender.
As Lyle said above, he would outbox Peter and then get caught somewhere in the middle rounds.
I agree with everything expect wanting to see him fight again. I would rather watch golf in slow motion , then sit through another one of his fights again.. That was the most boring heavyweight match ever !Quote:
Originally Posted by means2184
Samuel Peter would look a little awkward for a while against Brock, but then would catch him and win by TKO or KO. ;)
I would have to agree with you.....Brock doesn't seem to have the "KILLER INSTINCT" like the Foremans, Tysons or any other dominant HW of any era....Quote:
Originally Posted by means2184
Brocks fight saturday night looked horrible, but I see a lot more in him then I do Peter, Peter has power but he couldn't take out Klitchko, between those two my pick would be Brock, and I pick Toney to beat both of them although I think Brock would have a better shot against Toney then Peter. Opinions don't mean anyhting, I just hope to see the fights.
peter went 12 rounds with wlady...and almost took wlady out...brock won't even get past 6 rounds...peter has a great chin and can punch but got outbox but wlady...peter would kill this clown brock...brocks chin would get eff up by peter and wlady...forget this clown brock...he ain't it...peter will k.o him and wlady would eff him up...Quote:
Originally Posted by stebs
peter went 12 rounds with wlady...and almost took wlady out...brock won't even get past 6 rounds...peter has a great chin and can punch but got outbox but wlady...peter would kill this clown brock...brocks chin would get eff up by peter and wlady...forget this clown brock...he ain't it...peter will k.o him and wlady would eff him up...Quote:
Originally Posted by stebs
and one more thing toney is another clown...wlady will eff him up too...out of toney brock and peter I'd go with peter the nigerian nightmare has more appeal then those two clowns put together...and peter can take a punch and take you out...and his still young...
i have to disagree w/ you on this one . James "lights out' Toney IMO is 100 times more appealing then Brock or Peter. he might not be in the best of shape in his fights, but i would still prefer to see Toney (fight and talk) anyday over Brock or Peter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Legend KilleR
toney was entertaining how he act hard and talk bullshyt...but now his just annoying...but we all have our oppinions...
i agree, he is extremely annoying, and thats what makes him appealing IMO. ppl either want to see him lose because of his mouth or win because of his great skills. (if hes in shape)Quote:
Originally Posted by Legend KilleR
James "Two Ton" Toney might be old, fat, and annoying but he wouldn't be beat by Sam Peter
Brock would give him a harder fight because he throws straight punches and so on.
Sam Peter is/was the biggest hype job since Domonick Guinn....everyone sees the good but no one sees the flaws
I disagree. Sam Peter is extremely explosive, natural power, all he needs is a little head movement and he owns this division. Hell he had Klitshco’s a** until Wlad started that punch and grab B.S.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
I think he would physically beat down Toney. Toney is to short and fat to run, so he has to stay in the pocket, Peter wins in a Middle to Late Round Stoppage .
As for Brock , Last Saturday nights performance sums that up. As for the flaws, sure Peter has some flaws, but who don’t especially in this division?. , Hell they all flawed. ! Peter at least brings it !
Brock would get bombed by Samuel Peter. Brock, a good fighter, would not be able to handel that unbridled aggression and onslaught. :P
exactly how i see itQuote:
Originally Posted by Raeder
cc you two...brock is a bum...peter would destroy him...toney is to fat can't run his blown up...peter with his aggression power if improve with some head movements and more often jabs he'll rule the division...the nigerian nightmare last 12 with wlady and almost took wlady out...brock will get killed by wlady in less then 6 rounds toney will too...peter will k.o brock too...Quote:
Originally Posted by Lords Gym
WTF?????? What's he supposed to do? Let the shorter fighter come inside and pound away??Quote:
Originally Posted by Lords Gym
Yeah sure Peter's always going to look promising as long as he's fighting D level opponents.
Ali used to hold when the stockier fighter came in too close but somehow Wlads tactics were cheap?? Bullsh!t. The only thing that's not over hyped about Peter is his power. Skill wise...there's not much there.
Wlad got hit in the back of the head 2 times.....got knocked down once legitimatley, and still did enough of a paint job on Peter to win the fight with lots of cushion on the scorecards.
Peter's eyes were practically closed for :jesus: sakes.
What’s he supposed to do ? He supposed to Move and Box. Not Hold ! that’s an illegal tactic, check out the rule book, in fact the short fighter should hit the tall fighter in the nuts the min he starts the holding crap. In the Ali days they at least gave the shorter fighter an opportunity to fight out of the clinch , now days they just run in and break the fight up real fast and push the action a part. . . It’s absolute B.S the way they let these tall fighter continue to hold and break hold and break. If your going to let them hold at least make them fight out of it ! .Quote:
Originally Posted by mucho testosterone
Your right about Peter's D level opponents ! Wait come to think of it the Heavyweight division is all D level opponents ! Who you gonna fight that would give you respect? ;D
Holyfield vs Tyson......Ali vs Frazier...........loads of holding. If you're going to call Klitschko on it then be fair!
As far as movement goes Klitschko was dancing around Peter. He moved a lot more than Peter did with much better footwork......and when Peter started to tire out in about the eighth, he really didn't seem to mind some of that holding too much!
How bout someone, just one fighter in the top 20. Right now for Peter, that would be a step up from his last 2.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lords Gym
Its not just Wlad - its the whole Heavyweight division in general. last Saturday night fight for example, it was a non event if they were not holding they were posing, nobody wants to get in and fight anymore. its kind of pathetic .Quote:
Originally Posted by mucho testosterone
That’s why one gets excited about the David tua's Sam Peter’s and the Mike Tysons they come to fight. . Example Ike Ibauchie -vs. Daivd Tua now that’s a good Heavyweight fight ! Very few clinches and lots of punches.
I hear ya ! that last fighter Peter fought was a suck A$$. a 7"2 puss ! it was great to see him hammer that Tall SOB tho ! LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by mucho testosterone
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I enjoyed the discussion ! CCQuote:
Originally Posted by mucho testosterone
If Peter develops his skill some, no one will beat him. He's still going to be the one to unify IMO.
Sam Peter is extremely explosive, natural power, all he needs is a little head movement -- Lord's Gym
I'm behind Sam Peter 100%, but his natural build is his best friend and worst enemy. I agree that he needs head movement, but unless he grows a neck it's not happening. It helped him absorb Wlad's punch, but it makes his head a stationary target.
They should call him Sam "Head & Shoulders" Peter
You're absolutely right on those points and the thing about him that really worries me is that his body doesn't look like an easy one to maintain. He's gonna have to stay focused and stay on top of his game as far as keeping in shape.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoxingGorilla
Likewise.........CC back at you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lords Gym
Actually no neck is good for a stocky fighter. Ray Mercer, David Tua, ext, you can withstand the onslaught of the taller fighter better. ,the problem with long necked fighters is they exaggerate the punch when they get hit. Judges can easily see a landed punch on the long necks. Plus long necks tend to get knocked out more because of the rotation of the spine / brain when they get hit good. The only thing good about a long neck is if you talking about beer !Quote:
Originally Posted by BoxingGorilla
Now I think what makes Peter a stationary target is his massive waist line. If he come in at 227-230lbs, he would rule ! CC- thanks for the reply Boxing G