Do I dare say F*XES are in??? YOU DECIDE!!!

OK... I am Still Steaming about Ben-Rabah v. Urango...

What a robbery! Urango jumped up and down at the final bell, like he knew what others didn't. You don't win a fight on 19% accuracy w/o a KO! (Is it me or was this fight a copy of the C.Quintana v J.Julio fight... only more defense???)

But as I reflect on 2006 boxing, this is now happening every other week, isn't it?

Winky just got robbed (please watch the fight WITHOUT sound!)

Before that, Rocky Juarez got robbed v. Barrera
(which was a Golden Boy card...)

Before that, Luis Collazo lost a closer but very controversial decision. (Hatton's parents were crying in the corner over his loss that was then awarded to him...)

I can go on and on with this year alone. But what I want to know is--

Are they getting that blatant about fixing fights?

How do you feel about the sport if this consistent 'home cooking' is seemingly becoming the norm?


??? ??? ??? O0 O0 O0 ??? ??? ??? >:mad >:mad >:mad ??? ??? ???

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Originally Posted by ArawakWarria

OK... I am Still Steaming about Ben-Rabah v. Urango...

What a robbery! Urango jumped up and down at the final bell, like he knew what others didn't. You don't win a fight on 19% accuracy w/o a KO! (Is it me or was this fight a copy of the C.Quintana v J.Julio fight... only more defense???)

But as I reflect on 2006 boxing, this is now happening every other week, isn't it?

Winky just got robbed (please watch the fight WITHOUT sound!)

Before that, Rocky Juarez got robbed v. Barrera
(which was a Golden Boy card...)

Before that, Luis Collazo lost a closer but very controversial decision. (Hatton's parents were crying in the corner over his loss that was then awarded to him...)

I can go on and on with this year alone. But what I want to know is--

Are they getting that blatant about fixing fights?

How do you feel about the sport if this consistent 'home cooking' is seemingly becoming the norm?


??? ??? ??? O0 O0 O0 ??? ??? ??? >:mad >:mad >:mad ??? ??? ???

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I won't call them fixes, but shitty decisions. Now that being said the judges are appointed to these fights by the alphabet groups and I can see them feeling swayed to vote for the home guy.

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OK... I am Still Steaming about Ben-Rabah v. Urango...

What a robbery! Urango jumped up and down at the final bell, like he knew what others didn't. You don't win a fight on 19% accuracy w/o a KO! (Is it me or was this fight a copy of the C.Quintana v J.Julio fight... only more defense???)

But as I reflect on 2006 boxing, this is now happening every other week, isn't it?

Winky just got robbed (please watch the fight WITHOUT sound!)

Before that, Rocky Juarez got robbed v. Barrera
(which was a Golden Boy card...)

Before that, Luis Collazo lost a closer but very controversial decision. (Hatton's parents were crying in the corner over his loss that was then awarded to him...)

I can go on and on with this year alone. But what I want to know is--

Are they getting that blatant about fixing fights?

How do you feel about the sport if this consistent 'home cooking' is seemingly becoming the norm?


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Hatton lost ??? Which fight did you watch????

The problem was that most people expected Hatton to be much more dominant but he was not that dominant as expected and you people like you turn things around and makes his performance a loseing one. No, he did clearly did win, but not the way people expected, but he still won with comfort.

Hatton is another perfect example of a fight you should watch without the sound!

Even Hatton knew he lost!

Listen to his corner in the 11th & 12th Round... are you kidding me?

Only your pride would make you say he won the fight. He knew, his family knew... Besides, I did say that it was a closer fight, but Hatton LOST!

Now back to the subject.

If the so-called judges are picked by the sanctioning body, and the pool of judges come from the ABC, then why can't there be some type of review and discipline for ridiculous decisions like the one in Florida?

Even a seasoned veteran like Teddy Atlas (who came in saying that he knew Urango was the favorite) was calling Ben Rabah in control of the fight.

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Hatton is another perfect example of a fight you should watch without the sound!

Even Hatton knew he lost!

Listen to his corner in the 11th & 12th Round... are you kidding me?

Only your pride would make you say he won the fight. He knew, his family knew... Besides, I did say that it was a closer fight, but Hatton LOST!

Now back to the subject.

If the so-called judges are picked by the sanctioning body, and the pool of judges come from the ABC, then why can't there be some type of review and discipline for ridiculous decisions like the one in Florida?

Even a seasoned veteran like Teddy Atlas (who came in saying that he knew Urango was the favorite) was calling Ben Rabah in control of the fight.

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Pride?

Actually, I do not care about Hatton I just think he won the fight. :)

A fix is a serious accusation to make.

Many of the fights stated in this thread do not even hit the robbery level IMO. They were merely close fights that went to the wrong person in someone's opinion.

To my knowledge there has not been a top level fight fixed since Escalera/Everett in the mid 70s.

The only two since then that have a whiff of fix about them were IMO Whitaker/RamirezI and Coggi/GonzalesI.

Are some judges incompetent in my opinion? Yes, but there is a big difference between being incompetent and being corrupt... ;)

i don't think its fixed but they rules about neutral sites

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A fix is a serious accusation to make.

Many of the fights stated in this thread do not even hit the robbery level IMO. They were merely close fights that went to the wrong person in someone's opinion.

To my knowledge there has not been a top level fight fixed since Escalera/Everett in the mid 70s.

The only two since then that have a whiff of fix about them were IMO Whitaker/RamirezI and Coggi/GonzalesI.

Are some judges incompetent in my opinion? Yes, but there is a big difference between being incompetent and being corrupt... ;)

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Your missing Chavez Vs Whitaker which was worse than the Ramirez fight, I am not a Hatton fan but alot of expectation has been put on his shoulders, specially from the British public, I scored a victory in his favour 7 rounds to 5 but he looked like trash and was almost knocked out. But a close fight which can go either way is not a robbery. A robbery is a clear cut victory that was given to another fighter

Ramirez Vs Whitaker
Chavez Vs Whitaker (Draw)
De La Hoya Vs Whitaker
Holyfield Vs Lewis 1 (Draw)
Hearns Vs Leonard 2
Those are robberies

Fix is a overstatement, especially for some of those fights you mentioned.

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxing_fo...c,33972.0.html

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OK... I am Still Steaming about Ben-Rabah v. Urango...

What a robbery! Urango jumped up and down at the final bell, like he knew what others didn't. You don't win a fight on 19% accuracy w/o a KO! (Is it me or was this fight a copy of the C.Quintana v J.Julio fight... only more defense???)

But as I reflect on 2006 boxing, this is now happening every other week, isn't it?

Winky just got robbed (please watch the fight WITHOUT sound!)

Before that, Rocky Juarez got robbed v. Barrera
(which was a Golden Boy card...)

Before that, Luis Collazo lost a closer but very controversial decision. (Hatton's parents were crying in the corner over his loss that was then awarded to him...)

I can go on and on with this year alone. But what I want to know is--

Are they getting that blatant about fixing fights?

How do you feel about the sport if this consistent 'home cooking' is seemingly becoming the norm?


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Well calm down cus it ain't as bad as you are makin it out to be:
1. Rabah didn't do shat himself. Copy of the Julio fight? Where Julio was rocked, outboxed, hit CLEANLY, and Consisitently, I think not. Rabah just ran for his life, SURVIVED, landed more slaps and pitter patt shots and hoped he could win a world title that way, I think not.
2. Being a hater of both Winky and Taylor I feel I am an unbias judge, and I saw it as a close fight. A draw wasn't a terrible robbery, although I feel Winky probably deserved it 115-113. Taylor certainly didn't win.
3. I don't care for Barrera, and he looked bad against Juarez, but honeslty you have to do more than what Juarez did to take the title from a great champ like Barrera. A draw is what it should have remained. Juarez came on late and did pretty well for himself, but he didn't convincingly beat Barrera.
4. I agree with ya here. Collazo outboxed, and hit Hatton with solid punches, completely differnt from the Rabah vs Urango borefest. He deserved to get the W against the troll but was robbed.

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Originally Posted by ArawakWarria

OK... I am Still Steaming about Ben-Rabah v. Urango...

What a robbery! Urango jumped up and down at the final bell, like he knew what others didn't. You don't win a fight on 19% accuracy w/o a KO! (Is it me or was this fight a copy of the C.Quintana v J.Julio fight... only more defense???)

But as I reflect on 2006 boxing, this is now happening every other week, isn't it?

Winky just got robbed (please watch the fight WITHOUT sound!)

Before that, Rocky Juarez got robbed v. Barrera
(which was a Golden Boy card...)

Before that, Luis Collazo lost a closer but very controversial decision. (Hatton's parents were crying in the corner over his loss that was then awarded to him...)

I can go on and on with this year alone. But what I want to know is--

Are they getting that blatant about fixing fights?

How do you feel about the sport if this consistent 'home cooking' is seemingly becoming the norm?


??? ??? ??? O0 O0 O0 ??? ??? ??? >:mad >:mad >:mad ??? ??? ???

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Well calm down cus it ain't as bad as you are makin it out to be:
1. Rabah didn't do shat himself. Copy of the Julio fight? Where Julio was rocked, outboxed, hit CLEANLY, and Consisitently, I think not. Rabah just ran for his life, SURVIVED, landed more slaps and pitter patt shots and hoped he could win a world title that way, I think not.
2. Being a hater of both Winky and Taylor I feel I am an unbias judge, and I saw it as a close fight. A draw wasn't a terrible robbery, although I feel Winky probably deserved it 115-113. Taylor certainly didn't win.
3. I don't care for Barrera, and he looked bad against Juarez, but honeslty you have to do more than what Juarez did to take the title from a great champ like Barrera. A draw is what it should have remained. Juarez came on late and did pretty well for himself, but he didn't convincingly beat Barrera.
4. I agree with ya here. Collazo outboxed, and hit Hatton with solid punches, completely differnt from the Rabah vs Urango borefest. He deserved to get the W against the troll but was robbed.

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CC for ya Hulk, this is the best explaination yet....

I would probably add this...

When in a Championship Bout and you feel you are the Champ, you better fight like one and knock your opponents ass out or put one hell of an ass whoopin on that person..The main thing is, if you have to leave it to the judges, then do it where there is no doubt you won the fight....

I seen the Rabah fight in the way of Rabah winning it, but HULK gives the best explaination to the whole thing....Doesnt change my mind, but makes me look at it from different views....

Winky won a close fight IMHO, but I feel that if he felt he was the Champ, then he should not have ran the last two rounds, he should have stayed in there and done what he did for the first ten rounds....

Hatton Definately looked horrible in the Collazo fight, I actually had Collazo with the win on my cards, but a very close win...Nothing to stir the waters....

Good Luck,

Coach

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Originally Posted by ArawakWarria

OK... I am Still Steaming about Ben-Rabah v. Urango...

What a robbery! Urango jumped up and down at the final bell, like he knew what others didn't. You don't win a fight on 19% accuracy w/o a KO! (Is it me or was this fight a copy of the C.Quintana v J.Julio fight... only more defense???)

But as I reflect on 2006 boxing, this is now happening every other week, isn't it?

Winky just got robbed (please watch the fight WITHOUT sound!)

Before that, Rocky Juarez got robbed v. Barrera
(which was a Golden Boy card...)

Before that, Luis Collazo lost a closer but very controversial decision. (Hatton's parents were crying in the corner over his loss that was then awarded to him...)

I can go on and on with this year alone. But what I want to know is--

Are they getting that blatant about fixing fights?

How do you feel about the sport if this consistent 'home cooking' is seemingly becoming the norm?


??? ??? ??? O0 O0 O0 ??? ??? ??? >:mad >:mad >:mad ??? ??? ???

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Well calm down cus it ain't as bad as you are makin it out to be:
1. Rabah didn't do shat himself. Copy of the Julio fight? Where Julio was rocked, outboxed, hit CLEANLY, and Consisitently, I think not. Rabah just ran for his life, SURVIVED, landed more slaps and pitter patt shots and hoped he could win a world title that way, I think not.
2. Being a hater of both Winky and Taylor I feel I am an unbias judge, and I saw it as a close fight. A draw wasn't a terrible robbery, although I feel Winky probably deserved it 115-113. Taylor certainly didn't win.
3. I don't care for Barrera, and he looked bad against Juarez, but honeslty you have to do more than what Juarez did to take the title from a great champ like Barrera. A draw is what it should have remained. Juarez came on late and did pretty well for himself, but he didn't convincingly beat Barrera.
4. I agree with ya here. Collazo outboxed, and hit Hatton with solid punches, completely differnt from the Rabah vs Urango borefest. He deserved to get the W against the troll but was robbed.

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CC for ya Hulk, this is the best explaination yet....

I would probably add this...

When in a Championship Bout and you feel you are the Champ, you better fight like one and knock your opponents ass out or put one hell of an ass whoopin on that person..The main thing is, if you have to leave it to the judges, then do it where there is no doubt you won the fight....

I seen the Rabah fight in the way of Rabah winning it, but HULK gives the best explaination to the whole thing....Doesnt change my mind, but makes me look at it from different views....

Winky won a close fight IMHO, but I feel that if he felt he was the Champ, then he should not have ran the last two rounds, he should have stayed in there and done what he did for the first ten rounds....

Hatton Definately looked horrible in the Collazo fight, I actually had Collazo with the win on my cards, but a very close win...Nothing to stir the waters....

Good Luck,

Coach

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Yeah, thanks.

Thanks all for your responses. I do understand that there is a difference between robbery and fix. I was trying to make the point that if you already know you will win before the fight starts, then it is as good as a fix. Really liked what was said about casino fights...

To give regard to Hulk's comments, Rabah did have the opportunity to put Urango's a** on the canvas so that the decision could not come in Urango's favor, but who didn't know that Rabah is a volume, action, unorthodoxed fighter? Sweet Pea used to do the same thing, except his movement was more fluid. He really had no power, and simply outboxed MANY a power puncher.

Now HULK, I gave you props, but I have to also say this: You keep judging the fight on what you didn't like about Rabah, but no one can deny that Urango landed under 20%! This is a championship fight, and Rabah was landing 3, 4 and 5 punch combinations, then getting out of there before Urango could even touch him. At the end (8-12), Rabah slowed down, but that doesn't mean Urango did any better! Neither man was a champion, so they had to TAKE the title. Rabah won with his head, his fists and his feet. Urango simply could not get the job done--I had it 117-111 or 116-112 (two viewers) for Rabah.

And yes... there should be some way to review decisions when the commentators, experienced boxers & FANS of the hometown winner are booing the decision.

Bad descision and Fix are different beasts in my book !

Lennox Lewis Vs Holyfield 1 was a draw, yet Lewis clearly won and it even made front page NY news that Lweis was robbed and it was an embarrasment to the sport.

Hatton Vs Collazo was a much closer affair with Hatton scoring the knock-down in round 1 probably helping him edge it. Hatto landed more leather and threw more leather and got the knockdown...wheras Collazo threw less, landed less and got NO knockdown.

If luis didn't wobble Hatton in the 12th there wouldn't be any fuss about this fight.

Although that said, Hatton should oblige the rematch in Manchester as Collazo asked for, to seal any doubter's minds.

But even after saying that = Collazo won the belt himself amid much split-descision controversy didn't he?? and didn't offer a rematch.

Anyway, this will debated for ever..back to thread: FIX? -not that fight, Luis was a Don King fighter and still lost!! ;D

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Fix is a overstatement, especially for some of those fights you mentioned.

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look...I'm not going on the record as saying Teddy Atlas is one of the greatest judges in the world but when someone scores the fight 15 POINTS different than Atlas there is a PROBLEM!!!!!!!!! I would investigate that Judge to eliminate the possibility of a fix......I might not agree with Atlas on some of the scorings but the most our cards have differed was by 2-3 points...NOT 15!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Bad descision and Fix are different beasts in my book !

Lennox Lewis Vs Holyfield 1 was a draw, yet Lewis clearly won and it even made front page NY news that Lweis was robbed and it was an embarrasment to the sport.

Hatton Vs Collazo was a much closer affair with Hatton scoring the knock-down in round 1 probably helping him edge it. Hatto landed more leather and threw more leather and got the knockdown...wheras Collazo threw less, landed less and got NO knockdown.

If luis didn't wobble Hatton in the 12th there wouldn't be any fuss about this fight.

Although that said, Hatton should oblige the rematch in Manchester as Collazo asked for, to seal any doubter's minds.

But even after saying that = Collazo won the belt himself amid much split-descision controversy didn't he?? and didn't offer a rematch.

Anyway, this will debated for ever..back to thread: FIX? -not that fight, Luis was a Don King fighter and still lost!! ;D

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couple of things... I agreed that there is a difference. Ben Rabah could have KO'd Urango, then there's no robbery.

Hatton v. Collazo--you need to check your facts. Collazo landed more punches and at the better percentage. Just watch the results on the fight. Look at Hatton's face; listen to his corner. Everyone knew he lost that fight.

As for the knockdown... JM Marquez got knocked down 3x in one round, but demonstrated that he could still earn a draw against Pacquiao (my #1 P4P), so the flash knockdown shoudn't have influenced it that much--although I see your point.

now i love boxing and have done since i was a kid and never do i like to think fights are fixed but when you see fighters get the nod when they've been clearly beaten kind of makes you feel angry, i've lost count over the last few years the nimber of times i've felt there was something not right about that points win.

i think that it must be made law that if a judge, promoter, fighter is found guilty of a fix, they serve a jail sentence no shorter then 25 years no parol no let out early for good behaviour 25 stright as it comes, beacuse boxers risk there lives in the ring and once they retire there quality of life is below average due to the damage there limbs, bodys and most importently brains recieve so to blantly rob them is not on

jeff fench was robed against azuma nelson and he was never the same again

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A fix is a serious accusation to make.

Many of the fights stated in this thread do not even hit the robbery level IMO. They were merely close fights that went to the wrong person in someone's opinion.

To my knowledge there has not been a top level fight fixed since Escalera/Everett in the mid 70s.

The only two since then that have a whiff of fix about them were IMO Whitaker/RamirezI and Coggi/GonzalesI.

Are some judges incompetent in my opinion? Yes, but there is a big difference between being incompetent and being corrupt... ;)

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My reply was supposed to say "I agree." Damn Computer! or maybe it's the damn operator??!!!

Worst robbery I've seen lately was Kirilov vs. Perez. I was absolutely appalled when I heard the decision. What made it even worse was the fact that it was a majority decision. One judge had Perez up by 7 points. I'm not sure if I'd call it a fix but I fail to see how Perez could have even been given a draw on the cards never mind being 7 points ahead. Definately one of the worst I've seen.

Look its simple really, if the Judges dont side with the House Fighter and piss the Promoter off[ because its the housefighter whose put bums on seats] they dont get much work come their way in the future.No more weekends away, all paid for. No invites to the conventions, no money put away for this years Holidays. No thats not what happens surely, Im afraid

Only recent FIX was Spinks vs Karmazin. That was a fukin disgrace. 3, count em, THREE gift decisions now for Spinks. :o