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With Oscar gone, Mosley and Vargas shot, Winky moving up, and Mayorga pretty much done who is the next star of this division. At this point I believe the winner of Quartey Vs Forrest will be the next major champ of this division. In my opinion I believe Quartey will be victorious even though he is far beyond his prime and so is Vernon. But the division is that wide open.
If PBF does not give Margarito a shot then Tony should move up, he would easily be the champ at 154.
The boy can't even beat Daniel Santos who was one of boxing's weakest Champions. I agree with the first poster, Ike Quartey can clean up this division.Quote:
Originally Posted by gbrandon
Kassim Ouma is pretty slick, though not much of a puncher. The winner of Karmazin Spinks will probably have a chance at becoming undisputed too.
Floyd may move up soon, Joel Julio will fill into the weight over the next year or so, and hopefully he will have gained some experivence by then.
A bit weak at present, but I see this division getting hotting in 2007
True statement but people have been hyping Tony so much after the Cintron KO. It does not look like he is going to get his shot at PBF, so this is the most ideal for him because the other boxers in the division are just as weak as Santos. But I like QuarteyQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
I also thought Julio would be the future, but his last fight almost has me jumping off the bandwagon. Floyd is small at 147 so I don't see him moving to 154, Spinks does not scare anybody but we will seeQuote:
Originally Posted by bilbo
154's not that bad, look at Jr. Fly apart from Brian Viloria it's a wasteland. 154 has some good fights Mosley/Vargas 2, Forrest/ Quartey, Karmazin/Spinks. Also has good fighters like DLH, Ouma, Jose Rivera & Alex Garcia. How many top guys do you want in a division
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Originally Posted by gbrandon
im not so sure that fernando is all that shot yet (i'll know for sure by the end of next week ;))
i also think that karmazin shouldnt be taken lightly (based on his destruction of ouma)
and i also feel that ouma shouldnt be counted out yet
so to answer your question, no.......... i think 154 is pretty solid and is only to get better
Kassim Ouma Cory Spinks Roman Karmazin, Daniel Santos, some peopl eayt 160 that could come down to 147 and vice versa you have Vargas too, Vernon Forrest, Ike Quartey and some prospect like Paul Williams who can fight up there Andre Dirrel, Anthony Dirrel and Berto all probably going to grow into that frame. I seems that 154 is about to be one of the premiere divisions in boxing in the coming years.
Is Sergio Mora in this division? I was hoping that he could create some excitement in this division, needs to train on strength to add power to his punches. Same goes with Ouma.
Mora could probably make 154 if he wanted to.
I think 154 is pretty solid, and only going to get better
Yep. I think it is one of the best divisions in all of boxing. Mayorga ain't done yet so don't count him out till he offically retires, he can still be a player at 154. I mean ya got Forrest, Quartey, Ouma, Rivera just arrived beating Garcia who has tons of heart, Oscar is at 154, Vargas is still around, Mosley too if only for one fight. So regardless of your theories on their future, as of now you got: Oscar, Mayorga, Vargas, Quartey, Ouma, Karmizin, Spinks :-X, Rivera, and Garcia. Doesnt look weak to me at all. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by galaxy76
Yeah bro, there heaps of potential there for big fightsQuote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
I find LMW quite good. LHW is weak IMO.
:o Im with you Hulk! Weakest devision whats that person drinking decafe I was at ringside for the Vargas fight I could almost feel them shots just from the sound. I believe if not for the eye closed Vargas would of won that fight it was pretty much even when stopped. Bottom line it was stopped and should have been now Fernando gets his second chance and will stop Mosley! Who by the way didn't want a rematch either did Oscar he thought he could stop it from happening. But the commision forced Shane. :-[ Just my take ;D Just love easy money :lickish: 8) 8) 8) One more thing Oscar don't even want Margarito :laugh:
I don't know what you mean, let's do the run downQuote:
Originally Posted by Rick_Rack
De La Hoya- If he fights again it will only be one more time (his words) and it will probably be at 147 against PBF
Vargas- Has not looked good since he fought Tito and has showed signs of slowing down after that not including his back injury which made it worse
Mosley- He has not looked good since early 2002 before the Forrest fight and is no where near the stature of a P4P top 10
Mayorga- Was very exciting during his heyday but after the Tito fight he has given us some poor performances
Quartey- One of my favorite fighters in the 90's but only 2 fights since 2000
Forrest- Similiar to Quartey and a huge inactive period after 2002 plus a serious arm injury
Honorable mentions are- Spinks (hahaha), Karmazin (Paper), Castillo (Please). I think you are the one on decaf. I hope you get another chance to sit at ringside so you can spectate more
without a doubt hw division is the weakest not lm
8) Yea well Mayorga really showed it in his latest fight. Oscar vs Mayweather think about it? It will just be about the big money and more than likely a fixed one use your head. I wont go to that one just behind whos behind the behind!!! ::**
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Originally Posted by Rick_Rack
RickRack I am going to give you a CC. I don't know what the hell your talking about but I am glad you have the time to debate.
8) Sorry I ment to say Mayweather vs De La Hoya not Mosley! 8)
Hello stranger where you been and did you bring a note ;D
Good to see your OK mate ;)
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I dont see how Mosely is shot ??? In his past 9 fights he has fought one scrub and has faced some good top flight competition.I dont see the shame of losing to Winky2x
Vernon just had Shanes number..It happens in this game were style matchups are key
I mean he has a pretty damn good resume and looked good against a bigger Vargas and will beat him again
I agree with about 60% of what you said. He has a damn good resume, but Shane has never looked the same after that first Forrest fight when he recieved the headbutt. He had a fight after the Forrest debacle which ended in a technical stoppage for cuts, he looked very poor in that fight when a young Mosley would have creamed that journeyman. He fought De La Hoya for a second time and looked no where near as good as he did in the first De La Hoya fight where he won 8 rounds out of twelve, to be honest he recieved a gift decision. He won 2 rounds out of twelve in the first Winky fight, then came back and won 4 rounds out of twelve in the second Winky fight. The 2000 or 2001 Shane would have not been dominated like that (I think he would have won). After the two losses he came back down to Welterweight to face two irrelevant fighters and did not score a KO in any of those fights (Young Shane would have killed those guy's). Then he get's a fight against Vargas (another shot fighter) and the fight was about even, Mosley was not dominating in any kind of way. I can't see how you could think this guy was the same fighter. One more thing, in the first Forrest fight he was creaming Vernon in the first round and buckled his legs twice. Then came the second round and the headbutt and that's the last time we saw the real Sugar Shane Mosley.Quote:
Originally Posted by jtrock
I like Mosley too, but he looks to have definately slowed down at least a half step or more. And he hasnt been taking any big risks since losin to Wright the second time which was a very close fight. I mean Estrada, Cruz especially and recently an almost shot Vargas. Why didn't he stay at 147 and seek a title shot against Zab Judah or Margarito? And now he refuses to fight PBF. I mean it is looking like he just does not want to risk another loss on his record period.Quote:
Originally Posted by jtrock
Someone please ban this guy, this is the second time he has posted this exact same irrelevant garbage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kahn
Why would someone get a kick out of posting racial slurs over the internet. I just to get it. I would be out having a drink trying to pickup a young hottie, this asshole comes to a boxing forum to post racial comments, you have to be a complete loser with no life and a small penis. You can tell someone like this is broke, alone, miserable, and ugly. I don't care if your a racist, but why come to a boxing forum to talk about it, lucky me this guy post on my thread. Intelligence my friend, and you posted the wrong user name, you did not mean Khan you meant Klan. KKKQuote:
Originally Posted by Kahn
8) THERE ARE STILL ALOT OF TOP NAMES IN THIS DIVISION! 8)
And I agree the heavy weight divission is the weekest of the way I see it bunch of no names no fighting except for a few that have moved up! ! ! ::**
So far nobody mentioned Sergiy Dzinziruk,so I do... ;D
Pretty good boxer,but has a low profile,needs to step it up...
Its not he greatest division right now(and probably will never be),but its okay...
And yeah...I also think the Light Heavyweights are pretty weak right now...
Look out for Salford's own Jamie Moore, he has a fight with WBC #2 Michele Piccarilo in the pipeline, is hungry, experienced and very exciting. He's a fighter's fighter and I think the world would enjoy watching him, I think he's capable of capturing something in the division.
If you count the people who move up from 147 and down from 160...I'd say that 154 is pretty solid.
I think the super middle weights are the weakest right now. Thats if the Straw weights didn't exist. The super middle weights have the most cuddled champ in history of the division.
Its not one of the very top divisions but I don't think anything's as bad as LH. At least Chad Dawson looks interesting but still a weak division.
Id say 130 is no better than 154 right now.
Not that thats a bad thing.
YOu have it wrong Mosley is gone back down to 147, and he is anything but shot. Vargas and Mayorga aren't even contenders in the division. THere is still Simms who is very good, Oscar Dela Hoya, P4P champ Mayweather, Spinks, Quartey(if he moves back down), I also haven't heard anything about Quartey vs. FOrrest.Quote:
Originally Posted by brazilianbomber
And Karmazin
There are several pretty crap divisions right now. Featherweight is empty, lightweight has potential for a good couple title matches in the coming months but no real exceptional talent. Junior welterweight has Hatton, Castillo and........well that's it. 154 is pretty weak as well, as are the lightheavyweight and cruiserweight divisions.
Heavyweight is weak but I still think its interesting, which is more than you can say for featherweight, lightheavy and crusierweight.
For me the hot divisions are super featherweight, welterweight, middleweight, super middle weight and despite the lack of talent, the heavies.
Well there is Travis Simms he KOed el Gallo Rivera whitch I think he was very strong he Koed Terra Garcia one of the knock downs was with a jab but this guy Travis Simms looked great very fast and with Power i want to see more of him.
He fights in June again , well that is what it sayd in Boxrec http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=022453
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