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Kostya Tszyu and others who just didn't get shots at the GREATS
So it has been rumored for a LONG time that Oscar De la Hoya, Shane Mosely, Floyd Mayweather Jr. etc. ducked Kostya Tszyu. The power punching Russian/Australian(put that there just for you Snakey) just plain old didn't get a shot at the big boys, this got me wondering:
1) What BIG match ups could he have made during his era?
2) How would he do in those match ups?
3) Would the boxing world be a better place had those fights happened?
4) Why weren't those match ups made?
Other fighters to consider for The Kostya Tszyu award of "Most Ducked Fighter" (and the opponents they COULD have had) are:
Aaron Pryor: JC Chavez, Camacho, Duran
that's all I can think of at the time...what about your opinions
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Right now we could make cases for
Antonio Margarito: Floyd Mayweather Jr., Oscar De la Hoya, Shane Mosley, Zab Judah, etc
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Bernard Hopkins: Gerald McClellan, James Toney, Nigel Benn, Joe Calzaghe, Chris Eubank, Steve Collins
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Originally Posted by Lyle
Bernard Hopkins: Gerald McClellan, James Toney, Nigel Benn, Joe Calzaghe, Chris Eubank, Steve Collins
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Originally Posted by Lyle
Bernard Hopkins: Gerald McClellan, James Toney, Nigel Benn, Joe Calzaghe, Chris Eubank, Steve Collins
When did any of them guys "duck" Hopkins?
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When was Hopkins ever a Super Middle Weight when he was worth fighting?
Joe would be a skeleton at Middle Weight... he just makes Super.
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A Prime Kostya Tszyu would Knock Joe Calzaghe TFO... No offence... I love Joe but A prime Kostya would role over the light flurrying Calzaghe :-\
True he would be undersized but just for argument's sake
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A super middle weight versus a light Welter Weight?
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Originally Posted by "PRIDE OF PROVIDENCE"
A Prime Kostya Tszyu would Knock Joe Calzaghe TFO... No offence... I love Joe but A prime Kostya would role over the light flurrying Calzaghe :-\
A prime Kosta tszyu does not weigh 168 pounds..
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i know this, guys... but kind of like a p4p... I know that classes they're in... I used to watch kostya in his prime and also in his decline... loved the Judah Shuffle
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If we're talking P4P are u telling me that a prime KT wouldnt rank higher then Calzaghe... If any of you think Calzaghe should be higher you're off your rocker
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Originally Posted by Fenster
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Originally Posted by Lyle
Bernard Hopkins: Gerald McClellan, James Toney, Nigel Benn, Joe Calzaghe, Chris Eubank, Steve Collins
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Originally Posted by Lyle
Bernard Hopkins: Gerald McClellan, James Toney, Nigel Benn, Joe Calzaghe, Chris Eubank, Steve Collins
When did any of them guys "duck" Hopkins?
Finally I get people to reply to this post!
They didn't really "duck" him but he didn't get a chance to fight them at 160 or higher
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Originally Posted by Lyle
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Originally Posted by Fenster
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Originally Posted by Lyle
Bernard Hopkins: Gerald McClellan, James Toney, Nigel Benn, Joe Calzaghe, Chris Eubank, Steve Collins
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Originally Posted by Lyle
Bernard Hopkins: Gerald McClellan, James Toney, Nigel Benn, Joe Calzaghe, Chris Eubank, Steve Collins
When did any of them guys "duck" Hopkins?
Finally I get people to reply to this post!
They didn't really "duck" him but he didn't get a chance to fight them at 160 or higher
Well thats Hopkins fault he should of moved up then shouldn't he?
The only fight I know was in the works was Hopkins Calzaghe and it was Hopkins that "ducked" that one.
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Michael Moorer didn't get to fight anyone good after Holyfield beat him...he really didn't fight anyone good before then either.
Understood Fenster but the Hopkins thing goes with the topic does it not? Hopkins didn't get to fight some of his peers whether it was because he stayed at 160 or not is not the issue the issue is he didn't get to fight those guys!
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Michael Moorer didn't get to fight anyone good after Holyfield beat him...he really didn't fight anyone good before then either.
Understood Fenster but the Hopkins thing goes with the topic does it not? Hopkins didn't get to fight some of his peers whether it was because he stayed at 160 or not is not the issue the issue is he didn't get to fight those guys!
Yes fair enough
Fights that should of or could of happened then Hopkins has plenty of top fighters around his weight he could of or should of fought.
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If McClellan stays at middleweight and fights Hopkins who wins you got a juggernaut of speed and power in the G-man against a well skilled slick Philly fighter who was a premier defender
watcha thinking personal feelings aside
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Originally Posted by "PRIDE OF PROVIDENCE"
A Prime Kostya Tszyu would Knock Joe Calzaghe TFO... No offence... I love Joe but A prime Kostya would role over the light flurrying Calzaghe :-\
True he would be undersized but just for argument's sake
He'd even fight him in Wales because he would simply walk over the water to get there.
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Forgive me, but didn't B-hop start as a light-heavy and also at super-middle before finding his niche?
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Originally Posted by Lyle
Bernard Hopkins: Gerald McClellan, James Toney, Nigel Benn, Joe Calzaghe, Chris Eubank, Steve Collins
er, was a fact Calzaghe was meant to go to the usa to fight him, hopkins was going to be getting $3, this was right after he beat tito, hopkins at last moment wanted $6mill full well knowing he wouldn't get it, then went on to fight 2 bums in his home town of Pa for money nowhere even close to $3...
Now im not going to say hopkins 'ducked' calzaghe, everyone will have their own opinion on that... but as far as the facts go, hopkins has NO claim that calzaghe ducked him, and calzaghe, a damn good one...
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Forgive me, but didn't B-hop start as a light-heavy and also at super-middle before finding his niche?
Started at Lh, lost then went to middle
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Roy Jones avoided Benn, Collins and Eubank like the plaugue
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Forgive me, but didn't B-hop start as a light-heavy and also at super-middle before finding his niche?
Nope. Actually was a middle weight champ in the pen, got out & made pro debut at 175, lost, went to middle, dominated, lost, dominated, lost, moved to 175, won, retired...I hope.
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Roy Jones avoided Benn, Collins and Eubank like the plaugue
...I know that's the popular belief that he avoided Eubank but if you look at Chris' career you'll see it's much like the argument for a Prime Tyson to Fight Lennox Lewis...Roy was too young to fight a Prime Eubank and Eubank was too old to fight a Prime Roy.
As for Benn, I'm surprised that any American went to England to fight him after the McClellan fiasco...I don't blame Roy for not fighting Nigel, Benn took advantage of the home cooking and it almost killed one of Roy's good friends.
Collins! COLLINS!!!! Give me a break
