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A common saying from a boxing announcer. ;D Fernando Vargas has yet to win in the big fight. Again, no insult to any Vargas fans, but again and again, he proves to be a lot of heart but more "talk" than probably anything.
In every big fight that Fernando Vargas has gotten in, he has lost!
He beat Winky didn't he?
Nope. Well, ok. I will agree with you. Vargas beat Wright the same way that Jermain Taylor beat Bernard in their first fight. :lolhaha:Quote:
Originally Posted by bilbo
Why is it when Oscar defeats Ike Quartey, it is considered a major win for ODH but when Vagras defeats Ike Quartey it is merely overlooked.
He beat
Winky Wright
Ike Quartey
Raul Marquez
and a few others include
Javier Castillejo
Luis Ramon Campas
Wilfredo Rivera
so yes, he has a few big wins in his career
Oscar didn't beat Quartey either. ;D
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Originally Posted by drgoodlooking
True, but these last two fights were no where near the level of a prime Vargas, this was not the same fighter who fought Tito and Oscar, and these last two fights were no where near the Magnitude of a mega fight (Two old fighters) these fights should not count against his legacy but they will on his record.
Vargas was very very very dissapointing on saturday, didnt put all of his effort in and thought it was a easy fight for Shane.
Vargas doesn't have a legacy.Quote:
Originally Posted by gbrandon
Vargas doesn't have a legacy.
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Precisely. How does having a few decent names on your record constitute a legacy? His legacy will be of a fighter with a decent level of boxing skill, a fair amount of heart, and a suspect chin. Vargas is hardly ancient, yet he still got schooled Mosley, who no-one can argue isn't well past his prime.
Precisely. How does having a few decent names on your record constitute a legacy? His legacy will be of a fighter with a decent level of boxing skill, a fair amount of heart, and a suspect chin. Vargas is hardly ancient, yet he still got schooled Mosley, who no-one can argue isn't well past his prime.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fraudley Harrison
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Some of these people give Vargas way too much credit!
thats like saying Hearns beat Cuevas.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_One77
Vargas had mega fights and he didn't win them. Can't blame him considering who he faced, losing to Shane and Delahoya and Trinidad are nothing bad. Leija lost to both Shane and Oscar and had a pretty good career. But I think Vargas spitting the warrior crap and then getting knocked out hurt him more then helping him.
Everybody has a legacy, some good and some bad. I have a legacy you have a legacy and so forth. Vargas falls into that category of a fighter that won't be counted among the elite but was solid competitionQuote:
Originally Posted by drgoodlooking
not only has he lost but he has lost by TKO/KO!!! not able to beat the best...but feasts on the average/good fighters.....Quote:
Originally Posted by drgoodlooking
Exactly - this was the true, fatass, good-but-not-great vargas, as opposed to the cheating, steroid Vargas of "prime." I admit that he's better with the juice.Quote:
Originally Posted by gbrandon
Exactly......he might have been a total wash without the "JUICE!!!"!!!! his legacy will be that of a roider and nothing more....."F" VargasQuote:
Originally Posted by shza
Fighters that have brutal battles wash up quick, we can list plenty of them (David Reid, Meldric Taylor etc) it's how you respond to that, Fernando showed alot of heart throughout his career and he was at his best when he fought Trinidad, even though he lost he gave Tito hell. And he did not test positive for steriods in that fight. I am not a fan of his but I respect him and some of these comments written on this thread about him are bias. Before he fought Oscar and tested positive for steriods he had showed signs of slowing down against journeyman and that was three years ago, I can't believe a pair of losses at this stage of his career is so amazing to people. He put his career on the line at a young age against Tito and he came up short but at least he did not fade away like David Reid.Quote:
Originally Posted by shza
He beat quartey, wright, and IMO he would of beating Moslety (1st) if not for cut
he didn't win the wright fight--the decision was gifted to him. and he was losing nearly every round in the first mosley fight--i don't understand how anyone thinks (a) that that fight was close or (b) that vargas actually could have won it if he hadn't gotten his forehead beaten so badly.Quote:
Originally Posted by outspoken
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Originally Posted by outspoken
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Originally Posted by drgoodlooking
You really hate Vargas with a passion, at least give the man some kind of credit, he was a champion.