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..."get ready for another war"?!
Which war was that? The one where Pacquiao nearly put Morales in a coma?
Now I love(d) Morales but it's sad to see another great potentially affecting their legacy by carrying on too long. The baton was passed in their last fight and Pacquiao will be far too strong again. Maybe i'll be proved wrong. But somehow I doubt it.
Pacquiao KO rounds 8-10.
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It's amazing to see how people have forgotten Morales' masterful performance against Pacman during their first fight. I think that was the "war" he was referring to.
True, Erik did get knocked out during his last fight with Manny, but IMO Erik's drop from the lightweight division really affected that.
Anyway, Morales-Pacquiao III should be a good fight regardless of all this hoopla going on.
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Originally Posted by jontabs
It's amazing to see how people have forgotten Morales' masterful performance against Pacman during their first fight. I think that was the "war" he was referring to.
True, Erik did get knocked out during his last fight with Manny, but IMO Erik's drop from the lightweight division really affected that.
I haven't forgotten his masterful performance but it was clear to me that Pacquiao's performance was massively hindered by the cuts he received. I didn't buy all that rhetoric about the gloves they were using, but it was still a very competitive fight and maybe Morales's last great performance. However, for Morales to conveniently neglect to recognise the nature of the second fight hints at delusion. I understand a boxer has to talk themselves up but I do fear he will get a similar kind of beating when they are next up. I would take on board that the drop in weight could possibly had an affect on Morales but even so he looked a shadow of the fighter he once was.
Watch me get proved wrong when the great Morales cements his place in history with a(nother) career defining win!
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Originally Posted by Fraudley Harrison
..."get ready for another war"?!
Which war was that? The one where Pacquiao nearly put Morales in a coma?
Now I love(d) Morales but it's sad to see another great potentially affecting their legacy by carrying on too long. The baton was passed in their last fight and Pacquiao will be far too strong again. Maybe i'll be proved wrong. But somehow I doubt it.
Pacquiao KO rounds 8-10.
Bro your spot on... just like you read my mind
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I give Pac the edge in this fight, however i find it so hard to back against a warrior like Morales coz he is just tough as nails.
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What Morales shouyld have done is take a warm up against a fringe contender of teh Raheem standard so we can see if he has anything left . Going into this fight it looks as if he is washed up so if he wins it will make Pac look useless .
Pac IMO is very good but abit over rated . He has had mixed performances recently and even if he beats Erik again people will say that Erik was already finished and you cant argue with that
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Originally Posted by The Game
http://www.fightnews.com/fightnews_2...EVYfJOkHR.html
Morales fuming at Roach!
Tuesday, July 18 2006
It's not easy to get three-time world champion Erik "El Terrible" Morales to respond to words spoken outside a ring, but the Mexican icon is not pleased about comments trainer Freddie Roach made about him while in the Philippines earlier this month. Roach called Morales a loud-mouth, nasty guy, who has no respect for Manny Pacquiao and the Filipino people. "I respect all fans and it is insulting to me that Roach wants to put words in my mouth that I have never spoken," said Morales. "If he can't wait to see Manny try to beat me again, just tell him that Nov 18 will be here soon enough. In the meantime, he should stay out of my business and get his guy ready for another war." Erik Morales also had much more to say.
I hope this is a kick up the backside to Morales and hopefully it will motivate him to train hard and beat Pac!! ;D
I'm back! Hey, Mr. Game my friend with the big 'The,' what do you think, I think you know more than anyone else in this site about Erik, and I've heard and read many things, kinda little brash, he said after his loss to Pac; does he really mean them? Or does he always speak that way? And when he says 'I'm gonna beat him the next time around,' as for sure, does he really go on doing just that or at least give a good performance? It's just that he seem so confident (or over-confident) that worries us (good for you!) us Pac-fan(atics).
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Any logical boxing fan would tell you that Pac has a big advantage going into the fight, but for people who love blood and guts, heart and determination, will and emotion you are voting for Morales in this fight. He has gas left in the tank, but not as much as he once had of course. After Pacs demolition of MAB and other brilliant performances very few people gave Eric the chance to beat Pac, he proved everyone wrong with a brilliant performance and left you to think never to underestimate the heart of a champion. Sure Pac redeemed himself but the way we are looking at the third fight is the same way we were looking at the first one. 70% percent chance Pac wins this fight but Eric has a good chance and don't let anyone tell you different.
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Originally Posted by The Game
http://www.fightnews.com/fightnews_2...EVYfJOkHR.html
Morales fuming at Roach!
Tuesday, July 18 2006
It's not easy to get three-time world champion Erik "El Terrible" Morales to respond to words spoken outside a ring, but the Mexican icon is not pleased about comments trainer Freddie Roach made about him while in the Philippines earlier this month. Roach called Morales a loud-mouth, nasty guy, who has no respect for Manny Pacquiao and the Filipino people. "I respect all fans and it is insulting to me that Roach wants to put words in my mouth that I have never spoken," said Morales. "If he can't wait to see Manny try to beat me again, just tell him that Nov 18 will be here soon enough. In the meantime, he should stay out of my business and get his guy ready for another war." Erik Morales also had much more to say.
I hope this is a kick up the backside to Morales and hopefully it will motivate him to train hard and beat Pac!! ;D
I'm back! Hey, Mr. Game my friend with the big 'The,' what do you think, I think you know more than anyone else in this site about Erik, and I've heard and read many things, kinda little brash, he said after his loss to Pac; does he really mean them? Or does he always speak that way? And when he says 'I'm gonna beat him the next time around,' as for sure, does he really go on doing just that or at least give a good performance? It's just that he seem so confident (or over-confident) that worries us (good for you!) us Pac-fan(atics).
Hey my pacfan bro,there are bigger Erik fans here but I'd like to think I was one of the biggest.Of course he does not mean them,alot of those remarks came soon after the fight and of course,hindsight is a beautiful thing and this is the truth from Erik. Of course he respects Pacquioa but I really really hope Roach opens his mouth more,it will get El Terrible even more fired up!!! It's like a teacher telling you,you are going to fail,and you work your ass off just to prove him wrongmI hope EM shuts Raoch's mouth!!
I honestly honestly hope Erik is training super hard and maybe more importantly,this rst may help him more than anything,I mean look at his last fights:MAB,Chavez,Pac twice,Raheem and all that boucning around in weight!!
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In that case, I'll tell Roach to shut up (very gently and respecfully - you know how it is, we Pacfans adore the guy)! I'm little relieved by what you said. I've given the fight 60-40 in Pac's favor, but if you'd answered that Erik really meant those things he said, I'd given the fight 50 even. But still, never underestimate the Elllll Terriiiiibleee!!!
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This fight will come down to how good a shape Eric is in and what his fightplan is. If Morales comes into this fight with an all out brawl mentality...he very well can wear down and get knocked out (Pac is just younger and fresher). If he fights with controlled agrression he has an excellent shot at winning. Pac is a tremendous athlete, but he is still far from being a complete fighter. Regardless of the outcome...it should be an exciting fight. I just think Eric has enough left in the tank to make it competive fight and potentially win.
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Originally Posted by pacfan
In that case, I'll tell Roach to shut up (very gently and respecfully - you know how it is, we Pacfans adore the guy)! I'm little relieved by what you said. I've given the fight 60-40 in Pac's favor, but if you'd answered that Erik really meant those things he said, I'd given the fight 50 even. But still, never underestimate the Elllll Terriiiiibleee!!!
LOL,I meant that Erik did not mean the bad things Roach has been saying about him but I think he does meant it when he says he is going to win!!!Here's hoping but no way could I put the fight@50-50 and not just that but I think Erik should fight some a low level fighter just to get his confidence back up.
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Originally Posted by zhubin
This fight will come down to how good a shape Eric is in and what his fightplan is. If Morales comes into this fight with an all out brawl mentality...he very well can wear down and get knocked out (Pac is just younger and fresher). If he fights with controlled agrression he has an excellent shot at winning. Pac is a tremendous athlete, but he is still far from being a complete fighter. Regardless of the outcome...it should be an exciting fight. I just think Eric has enough left in the tank to make it competive fight and potentially win.
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Originally Posted by zhubin
This fight will come down to how good a shape Eric is in and what his fightplan is. If Morales comes into this fight with an all out brawl mentality...he very well can wear down and get knocked out (Pac is just younger and fresher). If he fights with controlled agrression he has an excellent shot at winning. Pac is a tremendous athlete, but he is still far from being a complete fighter. Regardless of the outcome...it should be an exciting fight. I just think Eric has enough left in the tank to make it competive fight and potentially win.
Yea have another CC that's a really good post and I agree completely.. Even in the second fight where Morales is supposedly finished he was able to give Manny all hell by boxing him and using his jab in the early rounds, people are too quick to lable it a bad loss instead of the very competitive fight which it was, at least for the first 6 rounds... I think Morales is definetly the better skilled fighter, it's just that he doesn't fight like it or think of himself as such.. But he is, and against Pac his best shot is definetly to box him and use his jab constantly... As soon as he stopped using the jab in the 2nd fight PAc took it to him non stop.. Whether he has the legs to box and move anymore is the question, but IF(huge if) he is conditioned to go 12 rounds, I would still have him as the favourite..
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making this simple...pac owns morales!!!
and with it the featherweight division...the first fight was rig...a fluke not no master performance...a fluke...and pac showed it in the rematch...once no bullshyt mohammad making shady deals with ems camp...em got his a$s whoop...
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What Morales should have done is take a warm up against a fringe contender of teh Raheem standard so we can see if he has anything left . Going into this fight it looks as if he is washed up so if he wins it will make Pac look useless .
Pac IMO is very good but abit over rated . He has had mixed performances recently and even if he beats Erik again people will say that Erik was already finished and you cant argue with that
overated???
knock out both mexicans kings...morales and barrera
started from 106 now up to 130...fought all that was good on his way to the top...
duck nobody...fights for legacy not money!!!
knock down everyone he has ever fought in the u.s...
the only fighter to win featherweight title and bantamweight both by k.o...
already have 40 plus wars...
all of that still just 27 years of age and his still improving...
nobody knows how good he'll gets...its bad enough fighting him with just his left straight now he have you seeiing stars with his right hook...get you confuse with his movement...can't match his speed...can't compete with his combo...AND ITS BY LAW you fall once he hit your jaw...
now if thats overated??? nobody it the world deserves credit for no shyt...you gotta be the biggest idiot or the worst hater of all time...to say pac is overated...gtf outta here with that bullshyt...
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Originally Posted by true p4p king
making this simple...pac owns morales!!!
and with it the featherweight division...the first fight was rig...a fluke not no master performance...a fluke...and pac showed it in the rematch...once no bullshyt mohammad making shady deals with ems camp...em got his a$s whoop...
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Originally Posted by GAME
What Morales should have done is take a warm up against a fringe contender of teh Raheem standard so we can see if he has anything left . Going into this fight it looks as if he is washed up so if he wins it will make Pac look useless .
Pac IMO is very good but abit over rated . He has had mixed performances recently and even if he beats Erik again people will say that Erik was already finished and you cant argue with that
overated???
knock out both mexicans kings...morales and barrera
started from 106 now up to 130...fought all that was good on his way to the top...
duck nobody...fights for legacy not money!!!
knock down everyone he has ever fought in the u.s...
the only fighter to win featherweight title and bantamweight both by k.o...
already have 40 plus wars...
all of that still just 27 years of age and his still improving...
nobody knows how good he'll gets...its bad enough fighting him with just his left straight now he have you seeiing stars with his right hook...get you confuse with his movement...can't match his speed...can't compete with his combo...AND ITS BY LAW you fall once he hit your jaw...
now if thats overated??? nobody it the world deserves credit for no shyt...you gotta be the biggest idiot or the worst hater of all time...to say pac is overated...gtf outta here with that bullshyt...
Calm down . Obvioulsy hit a nerve by saying Pacs over rated ::**
Jus look at his record . Hes been knocked out by a couple bums in 3 rounds . Sanchez too him to a ND . Marquez skooled him but only got a draw , he was soundly beaten by a faded Morales . At the moment he is on a run of two wins in a row and everyone thinks thats deserving of p4p number 1 ? I dont .
Hes been beaten before and will be beaten again , I dont even rate a faded Morales , Marquez or Torrencampo that highly but the Phil fighter is fortunate that the 3 Mexicans are in the twilights of their careers cuz if he wouldnt stand a chance in their prime .
For the record I think Pac can win against Morales in the decider cuz the Mexican is as deluded as Holyfield and Jones , he just can win anymore but Pac is so inconsistant that a draw wouldnt surprise me .
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Calm down . Obvioulsy hit a nerve by saying Pacs over rated ::**
Jus look at his record . Hes been knocked out by a couple bums in 3 rounds . Sanchez too him to a ND . Marquez skooled him but only got a draw , he was soundly beaten by a faded Morales . At the moment he is on a run of two wins in a row and everyone thinks thats deserving of p4p number 1 ? I dont .
Hes been beaten before and will be beaten again , I dont even rate a faded Morales , Marquez or Torrencampo that highly but the Phil fighter is fortunate that the 3 Mexicans are in the twilights of their careers cuz if he wouldnt stand a chance in their prime .
For the record I think Pac can win against Morales in the decider cuz the Mexican is as deluded as Holyfield and Jones , he just can win anymore but Pac is so inconsistant that a draw wouldnt surprise me .
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come on those knockout lost was way early in his career...if you have any sense...you already know those bum wouldn't last one minute with pac today...those lost is just a measure of how good he got and how much his accomplish...
as for the draws...did you watch the sanches fight...he pull all the dirty tricks in the book against pac...everybody who saw that fight know pac should of won...as for marquez and that draw...just ask the decisive judge who should of won...and marquez know he won't last against pac for 12 rounds again no wonder he don't want no rematch...just like barrera...and for the lost to morales just ask pacs former manager mohammed how em pull that off...coming in pac was already in a disadvantage after a dozen b.s...now look what happen in the rematch after with out crooked mohammed...
now as for pac being inconsistant...his 27 still improving...yea his been beaten before...but nobody out there now can...plus who hasn't been beaten...
about you saying the 3 mexicans not being in their prime when pac fought them...you can say the same for pac...pac may just now reaching his prime ain't that scary for a kid who whoop mab draw with jmm and k.o'ed em in the rematch already...and guess what em may be the first to fight prime pacman...
looking back prime for prime...come on...look at all the oppenents jmm mab and em...now compare them to pac...who has power like pac, who has speed like pac, who has stamina heart determination like pac...give him credit...all time pac was born to be trouble for anybody prime for prime he whoop them all...accept it
Now for pacs campagne for p4p #1 spot...its legit...look at floyd he got spot 1...his recent oppenents we're all coming of loses...zab mitchell...now he wants mosly who winky already whoop...wow does that deserve number one...and heres where it really matters, who has he beaten that was p4p top 5 when he fought them NOBODY...pac whoop mab when mab was top 3...and em was top 10 when he k'oed him in the rematch...the only real reason floyd got spot 1 in the first place was when roy jones lost and bhop lost...
what else you got...lets debate because I'll address everything you got to say with trueth...
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have you got that off your chest now ? !
Yes I have seen the Sanchez fight and myself and the commentary team belived the deceased Sanchez should have won it . From what I recall , Pac was rolling around crying on the canvas like a little bia**h. Sanchez wasnt even that good but he outfought Pac that night .
JMM was in control of the fight after the 1st round . He began skooling the Flip with superior class . Pacs answer was to wave his arms in the air in some stupid attempt at bravado . Marquez won that too and the commentary team knew it aswel .
I wont go into the Barrera fight as it was clear from the 1st round ( when Pac got floored ) that Barrera wasnt his usual intense self . This theory was proven correct in Pacs first fight with Erik
Erik was coming off a loss to Barrera and was over the hill at the time yet still had more than enough to cruise to an easy UD. He even gave Pac every chance by trading and switching southpaw but teh Flip stood no chance . He was a bloddy mess at the end .
Raheem beat all the resistance out of EM next time an d Pac picked up the scraps . Then we know what happend last time against a superbantam whos been stopped in 1 round , who cant hit hard and is also past it . He jumped up 2 divisions rocked Pac and lasted 12 .
Pacs form has hardly been sensational on that evidence and whilst I pick him to beat a shell of Erik Morales next time I dont see him as a serious threat to the p4p guys
