what if calzaghe vs benn calzaghe vs eubank prime calzaghe vs collins

and also calzaghe vs herol graham but couldnt fit it on the topic

The Calzaghe who beat Lacy would of beaten all of them IMO...

Calzaghe would of dismantled Benn slowly on the Lacy form and won by late TKO.

Calzaghe would of had a more uncomfortable time dealing with Eubank, but his better work rate gains him an Unanimous decision by 7 rounds to 5.

Collins would be very competitive with Joe early, but eventually Calzaghe's classier skills would of seen him though to an Unanimous decision, roughly 8 rounds to 4.

Graham would undoubtedly make Calzaghe look stupid in parts, but Joe hit a lot harder and Graham's chin was only OK at Middleweight, and this bout is at Super Middle. Calzaghe WU by 8 rounds to 4...

Do not want disrespect the era of British (Super) Middles from 87 to 95, it was the best modern era(post 1960), British boxing has ever seen quality wise, but Joe has shown he is a very special British fighter, and that we should appreciate his talent while it is still here, because a bad back, a bad hand and age, will sooner or later end Calzaghe's prime.

i agree bk i think calzaghe has something special and i think graham would be hes hardest fight out of them lot.

I think he would of beat all of them too

Calzaghe is hugely underrated.... which is most probably his own fault. ;)

yes it is a shame i really hope he fights few top american fighters before he retires

...psoted this before on a thread about Steve Collins

What Collins lacked in skill and natural ability he made up for with guts, work rate and strategy. I think he was fortunate to be peaking around the same time as his rivals were on the slide. He is known as the guy that twice beat Eubank and Benn, but I think this gives a far inflated idea of his place in the nineties mix of Super Middles.

I give him great credit for out thinking, out working and out muscling Eubank, and although Chris was past his best, he was not over the hill by any stretch and still had a lot to offer. I suspect that any time after 91 a Prime Collins would have don the the same to Eubank, not cause I think he is a better fighter, cause I don't, I just think that he would always have to high of a work rate for post Watson Eubank!

Benn however was shot to bits, when he fought Collins and in fairness was shot to bits from the minute the McClelland fight ended - I think Collins would always have taken Benn's power at any time, so prime for prime it's a pick em. I'd lean towards Benn, if he boxed how he did circa 92-94 rather than sluggin it out!!

I would pick Calzaghe to beat all 3 of them at any time and I have said that for years!!!! A 1990 Eubank would've been the biggest test for Calzghe in my opinion.

So to rank them all I would say:

1.) 2006 Joe Calzaghe
2.) 1990 Chris Eubank
3.) 1994 Nigel Benn
4.) 1995 Steve Collins

Calzaghe definately would of found Benn's dodgy jaw, would of been far too busy for any version of Eubank, and much too sharp for Collins.

Benn has the best shot of taking Calzaghe, without doubt. Benn could take you out on his way down from being taken out himself! You could never write off Benn against anybody, that's why everybody is pissed that the Benn/Jones Jr fight didn't happen because if Benn landed something it would of been Goodnight Roy! Benn against Tommy Hearns in 1990/91 would of been great too - somebody's going down ;D (or maybe both going down! you just don't know with Benn)..

Some people feel Watson would of beaten Calzaghe, I don't think so. Watson was stiff and awkward, quite an accurate puncher and some cool countering. That peek-a-boo defence in the Benn fight was masterful the way he'd open his gloves and cup both sides of his forehead. However, Joe has the speed of hand and accuracy of hand to land right jabs and left uppercuts through that guard.

If Watson boxed his natural fight (from '84 to '87) of carrying his left arm low, moving around the ring a lot, flicking out jabs and looking for jolting counters he'd of been completely out-worked. If Mike fought like he did when ripping through the American opposition in '88 - digging his feet more with more upper body movement, left arm held across his chest and often overly using lead rights - then Joe's footwork would of been key, drawing Watson in and landing fast, two-handed winging punches for an early or mid-rounds stoppage.

If Watson just stood in front of him, like he did in the McCallum fight and first Eubank fight, he'd of been target practice for Calzaghe. If he pressed him non-stop like he did in the second Eubank fight, Joe picks him off with fast combinations (alnight if he has to), soon bloodying Watson's nose.

Watson was always quite awkward, always dipped in low with those elbows to take the sting off of bodyshots well, but he couldn't of done much with Calzaghe.

The Graham that fought Brewer against the Calzaghe that fought Brewer? That is interesting, but Joe gets to him in the end..

i think calzaghe vs herol graham would be close fight prolly md win for calzaghe.

Bomber was awesome, but a 168 pound JC would KO him

My dick's hard. I want to see these fantasy fights.

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and also calzaghe vs herol graham but couldnt fit it on the topic

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Not sure about herol graham but Steve Collins was not clever anuff and
Nigel Benn would of got stopped for sure,but a Eubank fight would of been close but calzaghe would win it on points.

One man may of beat calzaghe if fate was kinder and thats M.Waston

i believe calzaghe would have beat benn badly, unless he started trading with benn. he would have raped collins.

BUT AGAINST EUBANK, NOW ITS A DIFFERENT STORY....A PRIME EUBANK WOULD HAVE BEATEN CALZAGHE....look what a washed up, eubank with 2 injured knees and one that took the fight on 9 days notice did to joe....he almost ko'd him in the final round. close one too....what would a prime eubank have done...

collins is the only 1 who would of beat jc

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I do think Collins might of been abit too strong for him had the fight gone ahead, Calzaghe was very wild back then and may of burned himself out - with Collins rallying late stop him.

Thing with Benn is he mite get that one punch and had a HUGE heart.
Eubank would loose a decision at SM imo.
Same for collins, although would give him the best fight.

Henry Wharton would of given Joe a tough fight.

Gerald McClellan would of taken Joe out.

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Gerald McClellan would of taken Joe out.

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Well based on the fact Joe has never been stopped and the fact that McClellan most definitely couldn't out box Joe I would disagree.

gerald could punch he would wobble joe few times maybe even knock him down but calzaghes superior boxing skills would see him through

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Thing with Benn is he mite get that one punch and had a HUGE heart.
Eubank would loose a decision at SM imo.
Same for collins, although would give him the best fight.

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IMO, at 168lbs Benn lacked one punch KO power that he had at 160lbs.

But he was a much better overall fighter, but still a level below Calzaghe...

As for McClellan, well what happened to him was sad, but truth was, any decent boxer who got though 5 rounds unharmed with him, beat him... Calzaghe beats him between rounds 8 and 10 IMO. ;)

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Gerald McClellan would of taken Joe out.

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the fact that McClellan most definitely couldn't out box Joe

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That's ludicrous, Joe is very square-on and easy to hit with jabs and lead rights. Gerald would box circles around him.

Herol would make Calazaghe look stupid.

Benn would probably get beaten. Unless he found a way to bully through and catch Calzaghe.

Eubank would make Calzaghe look stupid. A PRIME EUBANK!!!!

Seriously the Calzaghe that beat Lacy has always been the Calzaghe he is now. The style if Lacy is just one that allowed Calzaghe to execute everything, give it a rest people ::**

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Thing with Benn is he mite get that one punch and had a HUGE heart.
Eubank would loose a decision at SM imo.
Same for collins, although would give him the best fight.

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But he was a much better overall fighter, but still a level below Calzaghe...

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How can you say that? Nigel would of disposed of every single fighter Joe has ever fought with ease, with the possible exception of a one-legged Eubank who he'd of out-pointed hugely.

Nigel was even more naturally talented than Joe, he could do it all without even being taught- bob, weave, every shot from every angle, and his leverages were suberb.

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Thing with Benn is he mite get that one punch and had a HUGE heart.
Eubank would loose a decision at SM imo.
Same for collins, although would give him the best fight.

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As for McClellan, well what happened to him was sad, but truth was, any decent boxer who got though 5 rounds unharmed with him, beat him... Calzaghe beats him between rounds 8 and 10 IMO. ;)

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That's ridiculous theory, there's no signs of him lacking stamina (largely because he rarely had to go more than 90 seconds). Manny Steward describes McClellan as the best he's ever had.

The guy beat Roy Jones fair and square in '88, and anybody who fought him said that his hands felt ridiculously heavy, Benn said Eubank's shots felt like pea-shooter blows by comparison!

McClellan circled opponents and picked them off well, and he had amazing timing, and one of the best three body-punchers ever. Most would of picked him to beat Jones again if he got through Benn, then clear out LHW.

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Thing with Benn is he mite get that one punch and had a HUGE heart.
Eubank would loose a decision at SM imo.
Same for collins, although would give him the best fight.

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IMO, at 168lbs Benn lacked one punch KO power that he had at 160lbs.

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As Jim Watt said "Reg, I think it has a lot to do with the fact that Nigel's been hitting guys who are probably weighing over 13 stone while he has to build himself to the 12 stone mark."

Lenzie Morgan, Mauro Galvano, Nicky Piper, Lou Gent, Chris Eubank - all big LHW's (while Benn was only really just a small MW).

Benn chose to out-box Wharton because he knew Wharton posed a major threat with the hook, and Giminez has never been taken off his feet in his life!


Benn did lose speed when he left Brian Lynch, the weight-training then slowed him down because he wasn't doing Lynch's speed work and stretching exercises etc (he was doing long, draining workouts in Miami).

michael watson schooled eubank and he wasnt the slickest boxer

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Herol would make Calazaghe look stupid.

Benn would probably get beaten. Unless he found a way to bully through and catch Calzaghe.

Eubank would make Calzaghe look stupid. A PRIME EUBANK!!!!

Seriously the Calzaghe that beat Lacy has always been the Calzaghe he is now. The style if Lacy is just one that allowed Calzaghe to execute everything, give it a rest people ::**

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No one would make Calzaghe look stupid.

None of the guys mentioned would of done as good a job on Lacy as Calzaghe did.

like i said herol graham would of been toughest test out of them and no way eubank would make calzaghe look bad u must be kidding.

and i dont agree with benn being more natrually gifted. and didnt u hear what benn said?? he said if calzaghe would of been in our era he would of beaten the lot of us and benn wouldnt say that if he didnt mean it

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he said if calzaghe would of been in our era he would of beaten the lot of us and benn wouldnt say that if he didnt mean it

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Liar. We both know that he didn't say that.

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michael watson schooled eubank and he wasnt the slickest boxer

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When was this??

Eubank schooled Watson, badly. In the second fight, Watson out-worked him like a madman.

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like i said herol graham would of been toughest test out of them and no way eubank would make calzaghe look bad u must be kidding.

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Eubank could make anybody look bad.

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and i dont agree with benn being more natrually gifted

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He put on a pair of gloves in the army with no training and just bashed about everybody straight away, including beating up all the heavyweights with ease. He was very, very gifted physically, Benn.

the commentators said that benn said it. it was during lacy vs calzaghe fight why would i lie about that ?? that would be silly

eubank was getting beat bad until that lucky punch he was well beind on points

i cant see how u think eubank was schooling watson.

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the commentators said that benn said it. it was during lacy vs calzaghe fight why would i lie about that ?? that would be silly

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No, the commentators said that Benn felt Calzaghe would live with 'them all' (Benn, Eubank, Collins, Watson).

Benn always criticised Calzaghe saying stuff like "In my era he wouldn't of had it so easy. Instead of Tocker Pudwill once a year he'd of had Eubank, Watson, Collins, Barkley and McClellan to deal with."

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eubank was getting beat bad until that lucky punch he was well beind on points

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Exactly, he was getting battered by a man possessed that tragic night. Completely out-worked and punched to pieces - not out-boxed.

Lucky punch? Oh come on - perfect arch, laced through the guard, lifted Watson off his feet!