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Was it NIGEL BENN ? The awesome hooker, uppercutter and swinger ?
Was it CHRIS EUBANK ? The slick, defensive fighter with the awkward counterpunching ?
Was it HEROL GRAHAM ? The evasive, peppering pure boxer with his hands by his waist ?
Was it MICHAEL WATSON ? The cool yet calculated, stiff yet smooth allarounder ?
Was it STEVE COLLINS ? The determined, durable and difficult to deal with warrior ?
Was it JOE CALZAGHE ? The sharp handed southpaw with the arm punching wizardry ?
The dark destroyer baby, the man was solid, shame he never beat eubank though i put it down to clash of styles.
although i like collins cos he's funny has anyone seen his dvd, hes so dim
calzaghe for me
calzaghe is deffo up there and i wouldnt like to say who is better then who but its kinda cool how it seems people who prefer defferent generations prefer each fighter. lol also depending what nationality aswell i guess
All very good fighters and fighters I got the priviledge to see. It's hard to pick one from so many since they all had traits I admired. Pre-Watson Eubank was the ultimate counter puncher. That low stance and those pouncing attcks. Lethal at hurting his opponent with a perfect counter and absolutely ruthless in the finish once he had them going. Even after the Watson tradegy he could smell when the opponent was hurt and he would get the job done in an efficient way. The guy could take a dig too and he had heart that belied his ridiculous showboating. Just watch him beat the count in the first round when he was clearly on the decline and fight a hard, gritty fight eventually in vein, to an upcoming Joe Calzaghe. Eubank never lacked grit nor determination to win. He was a touch of class, despite the fact he is a right pompous pr*ck and not someone I ever held in much esteem out of the ring. He's my pick of this bunch.
Benn was awesome though, the best to watch. Benn-McClellan, horrible ending aside, is required viewing. What a fight.
Calzaghe has been winning me over as time has gone on. I really thought he dropped that decision to Robin Reid in 1990 in Newcastle. I thought The Grim Reaper did enough to get the nod. He had Joe eating the left hook counter all night. When it came to the Lacy fight I was pretty certain Joe would be found out. Lacy looked strong and determined and from what I had seen of him, amatuer and pro, he looked like an Iron Mike, only at Middle. Joe dominated him. No other way to describe it. That was a world class performance without doubt. I think if Joe can stay injury free then there are some very lucrative fights particularly if he wants to travel over the pond to where he has sparked an interest with the US boxing public. With the exception of B-Hop (assuming he fights again) I think Joe has a good chance with Tarver, Johnson, Woods and a massively faded Roy JJ. The US is where it is in terms of boxing success. If he wins there against one of the Big Dogs then he'll jump right up the list of great British Middles.
I think this discussion has to involve Turpin and Minter. I never got to see them live like the other guys in this thread, but it wouldnt be complete without them getting a mention.
1) Eubank
2) Graham
3) Calzaghe
4) Benn
5) Watson
6) Collins
How can you have somebody that failed at each world title attempt ahead of somebody who is the longest reigning world champion in world boxing??Quote:
Originally Posted by WWatt
Don't get me wrong I loved Bomber, but he is only that high on any list due to talent and potential not achievement
Exactly. It's asking for 'best', not 'top'.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
Benn is the best achievement-wise. I think Eubank is the biggest waste of talent.
Fair enough m8 :)Quote:
Originally Posted by WWatt
Yep ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
collins beat eubank and benn he should be higher
i dont think eubank should be number 1 either
....and Trevor Berbwick beat Muhammad Ali, so should he be higher then him :-\Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
eubank wasnt that shot he was still good ali had brain damage and been in too many wars and just got dismantled by larry holmes thats the difference. plus eubank was coming off good win against wharton im not saying collins should be higher but he certainly shouldnt be last and eubank was only 29 wasnt he
What Collins lacked in skill and natural ability he made up for with guts, work rate and strategy. I think he was fortunate to be peaking around the same time as the other 2 were on the slide. He is known as the guy that twice beat Eubank and Benn, but I think this gives a far inflated idea of his place in the nineties mix of Super Middles.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
I give him great credit for out thinking, out working and out muscling Eubank, and although Chris was past his best, he was not over the hill by any stretch and still had a lot to offer. I suspect that any time after 91 a Prime Collins would have don the the same to Eubank, not cause I think he is a better fighter, cause I don't, I just think that he would always have to high of a work rate for post Watson Eubank!
Benn however was shot to bits, when he fought Collins and in fairness was shot to bits from the minute the McClelland fight ended - I think Collins would always have taken Benn's power at any time, so prime for prime it's a pick em. I'd lean towards Benn, if he boxed how he did circa 92-94 rather than sluggin it out!!
yes i totally agree benn was well shot when he fought collins
Fuck off, COLD.
whats ur problem because i dont agree with u need to grow up seriously saying that because i dont agree with u
just because ur eubank fan and i dont agree with ur views about eubank is number 1 which is bs plus saying watson wasnt even in hes class thats horrible thing to say considering watson got robbed in first fight which many would agree and trying to take watsons victory against benn away is horrible aswell saying it was too easy for watson u must be stupid because watson had to take some shots against benn he just outsmarted him dont take that away from him.
the best have to be Graham and Eubank, but not of what they've done but what they were capable of
For me BOMBER is definitely the best , followed by Eubank or Calzaghe , followed by Benn or Watson , and finally Collins
Graham, Hmm, lets say Eubank, Calzaghe, Watson ;), Benn, Collins way off ;)
Fuck off, COLD.
like i said grow up  ;D
The Cobra! O0
Froch is under-rated.Quote:
Originally Posted by CityOfGod
Jock Mc avoy
I think that Watson was better than Benn and arguably Euabank (I reckon he got the better of him first time round... and was on his way second time round till he got hit with those 'Monstor' shots)
and this was when they where both nearer to their primes than when Calzaghe/Colin's beat them.
I can only speculate what would happen if he fought Joe, there are too many styles in this list for me to really make any sort of order.
thanks adam glad someone agrees with me  ;D cc
have on in return ;)
jc
I think the Cobra has enough fire-power to give anyone probs to be honest.Quote:
Originally Posted by WWatt
Hopefully 2007 will see him involved in some good tear-ups. His stoppage of Brian Magee was cold-blooded - to pull out a whipping uppercut in the 11th round of a tough pick-em fight convinced me. Especially considering he shattered his thumb in the 1st round.
I've been watching Frochy since the 90's and I know the level of the guys ability.
He's second to Calzaghe in the SMW division IMO, with Brahmer not far behind that.
I wouldn't put Kessler with Froch or Brahmer, they are more talented than that guy and both would take him out.
His defense is 2nd to noneQuote:
Originally Posted by WWatt
...as the worst I have seen in a very long time!!
He doesn't actually get hit flush all that often.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
Plus Froch seems to have a pretty solid chin, and his right hand is his equaliser.
It'll take something to beat him.
And he hasn't lost.. you can't argue with that.
I wouldnt fancy Froch over any of the most notable SM, yes he's unbeaten, but he hasnt shared the ring with anyone approaching world class yet.
Dude has pedigree, though. He was the first British fighter to EVER win a medal at the senior world championships.
Listen, he punches harder than most if not all of the other SMW's, he's stronger than most if not all of the other SMW's, he's rangier than most if not all of the other SMW's, he's faster than most if not all of the other SMW's, he can box up close, he can box out of range. He's got some awkward unusual shots, from silly angles. He's never ever been floored in his life, never even been hurt! And he has that equaliser, remember. I'm standing by Froch..
The amount of times he got hit on the button in the Westerman fight was frightening, you can tell how bad his defence is just looking at his face and his nose. If he got hit like he did in that fight by anybody top 10, he would be going down!!
That said he does have so much talent - just a shite defence!!