Lets Intelligently BreakDown The Potential Calzaghe VS Jones jr Fight.......

We have fragmented opinions littered across a myriad of threads not related to this fight,so I figured it's split between the people who think Jones can suck it up for one last showstopper, opposed to the ones who feel Calzaghe is a buzzsaw that will send packing once and for all..

I think this is a good place to discuss this INTELLIGENTLY!!!(Opposed to just writing "Calzaghe will KTFO Jones")

If you feel your man will prevail tell us How and Why....What gives one fighters advantage over the other... Hopefully this will stimulate some good conversation and analyisis..

Calzaghe runs across the ring tags Jones, hurts Jones, Jones make an immediate adjustments takes no chances , and pot shots himself to a somewhat boring 12 un decision. IMO

2 weeks ago i would have said calzaghe to win by ud but after the ajuma fight i think jones will win...rjj got know credit for how good he was in that fight...he now knows that he isnt the fastest on the planet now and adapted his style...calzaghe will struggle and lose in a boring fight were jones does his business well but not entertainingly

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Originally Posted by Sugar_Shaw

2 weeks ago i would have said calzaghe to win by ud but after the ajuma fight i think jones will win...rjj got know credit for how good he was in that fight...he now knows that he isnt the fastest on the planet now and adapted his style...calzaghe will struggle and lose in a boring fight were jones does his business well but not entertainingly

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I don't think so, Ajamu was pushing him around the ring at will in the early stages of the fight until he got outboxed and seemingly gave up.

Calzaghe would just dominate him for 6 or 7 rounds until Roy lay twitching on the canvas again.

No way Roy even goes 12 rounds with Calzaghe let alone wins this fight.

I look forward to the downfall of Joe Calzaghe. However, from what we've seen of Jones Jr, he has zippy chance of being the one to do it. Roy looks haggard and worn out these days. Not only has his skills declined but he looks tired. What he used to do effortlessly seemes to take all of his concentration to pull off. He's not beating anyone great ever again.

Calzaghe on the other hand is fresh and beaming with confidence. Joe humiliated Lacy. Calzaghe would stalk Jones down and erase what is left of his glory. As hard as I try I can't picture it any other way.

If Jones would happen to win it would be a boring points victory that proved nothing.

Roy's lack of punch output, and more importantly his tendency to back up against the ropes and do nothing but cover up makes me think that Calzaghe would win in pretty easy fashion. I could see Roy looking good at times but for large parts of the fight being backed up against the ropes and Calzaghe throwing combinations while Roy just covers up.

Its not so much Roy's handspeed dropping off, he's still fast, its like he knows his legs aren't really as strong as they used to be. He spends too much time on the ropes, and not enough time in the center of the ring. And he's not throwing enough punches, even if he made Calzaghe miss a lot I still don't think he would be active enough to win a decision. A win by stoppage would be the most likely way of winning for Roy and I just don't see that happening, I see a Calzaghe decision or maybe stoppage as much more likely against this version of Roy.

I think Jones can and will rise to the occassion on this one I feel he is still to elusive for most I mean will Joe try to walk Jones down? Then he gets potshotted and eats right hands..Roy still has the faster hands..I noticed something against the prince that no one else commented on, Roy was pretty active in the fight and despite Prince Mauling jones and leaning on him most of the fight, Roy looked fresh to the end.. You cant question Roys heart in the 1st Tarver fight despite being drained and lifeless he pulled out that fight cause he pushed forward and won the Championship rounds cause he wanted it more..

Joe is fast himself,and shows you different angles and has a damn good punch output at the end of the day with good stamina..How accurate he will be remains to be seen but you know the old adage "IF YOU THROW ENOUGH S*** AGAINST THE WALL IT WILL STICK" so those punches are gonna land..

To me its almost a Pickem fight and if I say clear cut Roy it is probably cause I am feeling nostalgic
but this fight will by no means be a Whitewash in either direction this will be a hard fought victory for either of the guys...Is Joe gonna be complacent after how he took it Lacy or is he gonna take ROy serious and not damaged goods? What Roy will show up, focused and hungry? or content to survive with a great like Joe...

I hope it go's down...But it's any ones fight :)

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Originally Posted by BoxingGorilla

I look forward to the downfall of Joe Calzaghe. However, from what we've seen of Jones Jr, he has zippy chance of being the one to do it. Roy looks haggard and worn out these days. Not only has his skills declined but he looks tired. What he used to do effortlessly seemes to take all of his concentration to pull off. He's not beating anyone great ever again.

Calzaghe on the other hand is fresh and beaming with confidence. Joe humiliated Lacy. Calzaghe would stalk Jones down and erase what is left of his glory. As hard as I try I can't picture it any other way.

If Jones would happen to win it would be a boring points victory that proved nothing.

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Unfortunately for Joe he is injured again, and as what happened frequenly injuries seem to derail his momentum so if Joe gets back in the ring Nov-Dec that beating that he dished out last Mar loses luster.

Since when does a Victory over a great fighter not prove anything??? A win against a undefeated 8 yr champion with 18 title defenses is no small victory my friend ;)

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Originally Posted by jtrock

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Originally Posted by BoxingGorilla

I look forward to the downfall of Joe Calzaghe. However, from what we've seen of Jones Jr, he has zippy chance of being the one to do it. Roy looks haggard and worn out these days. Not only has his skills declined but he looks tired. What he used to do effortlessly seemes to take all of his concentration to pull off. He's not beating anyone great ever again.

Calzaghe on the other hand is fresh and beaming with confidence. Joe humiliated Lacy. Calzaghe would stalk Jones down and erase what is left of his glory. As hard as I try I can't picture it any other way.

If Jones would happen to win it would be a boring points victory that proved nothing.

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Unfortunately for Joe he is injured again, and as what happened frequenly injuries seem to derail his momentum so if Joe gets back in the ring Nov-Dec that beating that he dished out last Mar loses luster.

Since when does a Victory over a great fighter not prove anything??? A win against a undefeated 8 yr champion with 18 title defenses is no small victory my friend ;)

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I Agree, That flogging Calzaghe gave Lacy boosted Joe's value. It would be a very good win for Jones !

calzaghe lands a 5 punch combo at the start, jones runs all night

My feelings are its more than likely Calzaghe will win this one, but Roy JOnes Jr. has a chance because of a few things... 1) Calzaghe will not be able to throw his high number of punches against Roy because of Roy's footwork and elusiveness. 2) Calzaghe can be a pressure fighter, but he's always done it as a counter puncher or overwhelming his opponent with speed and numbers, I don't think he will be overwhelmed by Roy Jones Jr.'s speed, and like I said earlier I see it hard for anyone being able to punches in bunches vs. Roy Jones Jr. who is also a better counter puncher than Calzaghe. 3) Opening up: The most important key to Roy Jones Jr. winning this fight is how he's won almost every fight and thats overwhelming speed, and actually throwing punches. Roy Jones Jr. won't win if he is gunshy like he was against Tarver in their third fight. 4) Battle of the cross: I think Roy Jones if he lets it go will be landing straight rights all night vs. Calzaghe. On the other hand I can't see Calzaghe hitting Roy flush with a cross unless they were against the ropes which will happen.

I have a hard time seeing Roy win despite these ingredients I believe he has to win because Calzaghe is a determined fighter who is much better than Glen Johnson or Tarver, but I think his style better suits Roy than those two who can just walk forward through what RJJ threw if need be.

:coolclick: to all of you who took the time out to respond so far

Its clear for me to see, Calzaghe will walk on RJJ. Prince Onion Baji was shocking, he blew his load after looking like stopping RJJ, which he would have done had he not gassed after 3mins. RJJ no longer has the legs to outbox anyone with Calzaghe's stamina levels over 12 rounds, he is still fast but not as fast as Joe, and Joe has a much better chin....this one ends in around 9 with RJJ bowing out of boxing with his head down, rather than bowing out now, like he should do, with a win.

If this fight happens, it happens at 175. Calzaghe is no power puncher at 168, at 175 he'll be even less. Jones beats Calzaghe similiar to the way he beat Reggie Johnson. And I'll take any bet on it.

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Originally Posted by southpaw_outlaw

Its clear for me to see, Calzaghe will walk on RJJ. Prince Onion Baji was shocking, he blew his load after looking like stopping RJJ, which he would have done had he not gassed after 3mins. RJJ no longer has the legs to outbox anyone with Calzaghe's stamina levels over 12 rounds, he is still fast but not as fast as Joe, and Joe has a much better chin....this one ends in around 9 with RJJ bowing out of boxing with his head down, rather than bowing out now, like he should do, with a win.

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I agree with what your saying. But I feel Jones would go into survival mode & run til the final bell. I think if this fight was made a few years ago Jones would have put a clinic on Calzaghe, but nowadays his chin is shot, his legs are gone. He looked good against Ajamu, but Ajamu was nothing special... a journeyman at best.

I think its a interesting even money fight, But Im not going to sit on the fence I fancy either one to win it

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Originally Posted by jtrock

I think this is a good place to discuss this INTELLIGENTLY!!!(Opposed to just writing "Calzaghe will KTFO Jones")

If you feel your man will prevail tell us How and Why....What gives one fighters advantage over the other... Hopefully this will stimulate some good conversation and analyisis..

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I really want to argue/discuss this intelligently...but Wacko's been on the sauce already...so I doubt it comes across as what you want to be an intelligent conversation...

That being said...Calzaghe's style is all wrong for Roy right now IWO.

Calzaghe has rarely been hurt & when he was hurt...he wasn't ever in real jeopardy.

Roy's been flat out beaten down & in a big way...

Truly...hindsight being what it is...Tarver has beaten Roy every time that they have fought...at least from an unbiased fan of Jones.

Joe is a hell of a lot faster than Roy at this stage of his career & would pressure Roy pretty much all night long.

I admit that Roy looked beautiful against Badji...but as I said before...who the fwock is he?

Being a Roy fan...I'm also a realist...this is boxing...& while Jones won a fight...Roy aint back...sorry...he just aint.

Calzaghe is one of the most underratted fighters from an American standpoint in the world. There are too many of my fellow Yanks that pass judgement off of a few fights. Joe has faced some really really tuff opposition. Roy's faced some key fighters...but he's also faced a lot of cream puffs.

The only way that I see Joe losing this fight would be due to the weight. Calzaghe has stayed on top of 168lbs for 10 years for a reason...& it aint that he hasn't ever fought outside of England.

That excuse is played out & that very noose that my fellow pugilistic fanatics try to hang Joe with can be tightened around Roy's neck too.

The fact is (IWO) that this would be the best time in the world for Calzaghe to fight Jones & the worst time in the world for Jones to fight Calzaghe.

Joe is to fast & too accurate at this point in Jones' career & Jones chin & heart is still a bit of a question mark to me.

I love both of these fighters...but in boxing...you gotta pick with your mind instead of your heart & the shocking knockouts from two fighters of lesser caliber than Calzaghe make it an easy pick for Wacko.

I'd look for Calzaghe to take it over a long long 11 rounds & stop Jones in the end.

Truthfully...I'd love to see it happen now...even though I fear for Jones safety & well being...I just think it'd be beautiful to see 'em both square up against each other.

:coolclick: jtrock.

This should indeed stimulate some good conversation...as far as an analyisis or punch for punch call...gimmee some soberiety & I'll do me best...but that'll be a few days off.

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

If this fight happens, it happens at 175. Calzaghe is no power puncher at 168, at 175 he'll be even less. Jones beats Calzaghe similiar to the way he beat Reggie Johnson. And I'll take any bet on it.

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I agree. Anybody can look impressive with a target in front of them, but I guess because Lacy had a world title he's better then Ajamu, Ajamu knew how to duck and Jones killed his body all night. Calzaghe can dodge wide hooks but he wouldn't dodge those body shots, would his stamina be so good after 8 rounds of a body attack from Jones, who also possesses something that Calzaghe hasn't faced in his last 3 fights, a jab.

I like Calzaghe but I think that Jones beats him, Joe is open for straights which Lacy never threw.

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

Being a Roy fan...I'm also a realist....

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Are you a realist when it comes to Calzaghe? You think he's faster then Jones? And think Jones has a bad chin? Do you? Jones has only been down 3 times at the hands of big punching light heavyweights, and 2 were to his chin and 1 was to his temple. Joe has been down from twice by two super middleweights, and one of which who doesn't punch that hard. I think Joe's chin is in question too.

I think its all question marks, and the ones who want Joe to win are assuming that his are better then Jones(chin heart etc) And those that want Jones to win think his is better then Calzaghe's. But the truth is, we don't know. Nobody does, you can only assume.

Glen Johnson's a big punching light heavyweight ::**? I guess that's why he has a whopping 3 kos in 12 fights at 175 huh? That's a staggering KO percentage of 25%. Look out Mike Tyson.

I think at this point Calzaghe is much faster than Jones. Jones looked fast against Ajamu but that guy was a snail. I think Jones won't be able to keep up with Calzaghe, Jones will tire & Calzaghe will put a beating on him. Jones' chin is also a weak point. Calzaghe would have no trouble reaching it, but I feel Jones will run. I really hope this fight isn't made, Jones does need this fight.

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

:coolclick: jtrock.

This should indeed stimulate some good conversation...as far as an analyisis or punch for punch call...gimmee some soberiety & I'll do me best...but that'll be a few days off.

:drunks:

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:coolclick: back at you

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Originally Posted by BoxingGorilla

I look forward to the downfall of Joe Calzaghe. However, from what we've seen of Jones Jr, he has zippy chance of being the one to do it. Roy looks haggard and worn out these days. Not only has his skills declined but he looks tired. What he used to do effortlessly seemes to take all of his concentration to pull off. He's not beating anyone great ever again.

Calzaghe on the other hand is fresh and beaming with confidence. Joe humiliated Lacy. Calzaghe would stalk Jones down and erase what is left of his glory. As hard as I try I can't picture it any other way.

If Jones would happen to win it would be a boring points victory that proved nothing.

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This statement clearly points to the fact that you probably will never give roy jones credit regardless of what he does...

If 37 year old roy beats calzaghe by UD boring or not...it proves to me that had calzaghe fought a prime RJJ he would have seriously gotten hurt...

Another thing is i don't get why everyone keeps mentioning this speed that calzaghe has....he will look like a slow fighter against the even now slowed version of roy...however i think that if roy survives the early barage say like for 45secs..he will beat calzaghe easily....someone mentioned the reggie johnson fight...i agree...

but i wouldn't be surprised if roy won every round and got KOed in the 12th...it would be the tale of two roys..the one that he was and the one that he is....