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Are taller fighters with a jab & reach the key to beating fighters like PBF?
For example: Mosley vs. Forrest: the reach the style & jab that nuetralized Mosley's speed!
Could that be the key to beating PBF as well? Is that why Margarito is calling out Floyd? Is this why Floyd won't take the chance at fighting Margarito at this time?
What do you guys think? Can reach & a good jab be the key to beating a shorter fighter that is exceptionally fast? I think so, but not too sure that Margarito has what it takes!!!!
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No they are not. And Margarito does not have what it takes
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
No they are not. And Margarito does not have what it takes
Why do think not? explain?
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I think that a talented fighter with a good jab, some power & reach over Mayweather can nuetralize his speed, but who is this person? Could Forrest or Spinks pull it off at 154 against PBF? What about Winky & Ishe Smith?
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it sometimes can, and it worked for vernon. but it wouldnt and wont work on pbf, not that this is a prime example but corrales was big and had long arms and he was destroyed, but the main reason why just bieng tall and jabbing floyd wont work is his elusive style and defence its terribly hard to break it and its awesome for counter punching especially for the left hand (jabs included) cos his left hand is low when attacking and high when defensive but his right arm always stays in a shell like position at the body like a trap for you to throw a shot and he rolls his shoulder up and he leans well to and he counters brilliantly i mean im not the biggest fan of floyd , but theres no doubt his techniques are sound. but i dont really see margarito as much of a fine fighter with his jab not like dlh, and its not that pbf wont fight him due to fear its that floyd thinks hes a bum and that hes fought nobody decent and he doesnt see him as a big opponent worth a big fight , thats assuming of course word hasnt got round as it seems to be the hottest topic. but margarito is more hype than genuine skill.
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it sometimes can, and it worked for vernon. but it wouldnt and wont work on pbf, not that this is a prime example but corrales was big and had long arms and he was destroyed, but the main reason why just bieng tall and jabbing floyd wont work is his elusive style and defence its terribly hard to break it and its awesome for counter punching especially for the left hand (jabs included) cos his left hand is low when attacking and high when defensive but his right arm always stays in a shell like position at the body like a trap for you to throw a shot and he rolls his shoulder up and he leans well to and he counters brilliantly i mean im not the biggest fan of floyd , but theres no doubt his techniques are sound. but i dont really see margarito as much of a fine fighter with his jab not like dlh, and its not that pbf wont fight him due to fear its that floyd thinks hes a bum and that hes fought nobody decent and he doesnt see him as a big opponent worth a big fight , thats assuming of course word hasnt got round as it seems to be the hottest topic. but margarito is more hype than genuine skill.
I have to agree that he is hype more than skill, but as for Chico, he doesn't use his reach as an advantage & he is not a fighter that establishes a jab, so that is in no comparison to a fighter like Forrest! But yes I haven't seen Margarito use a jab like a tall fighter should either!
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Originally Posted by NorthSideX4
I think that a talented fighter with a good jab, some power & reach over Mayweather can nuetralize his speed, but who is this person? Could Forrest or Spinks pull it off at 154 against PBF? What about Winky & Ishe Smith?
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forreest and spinks are past it, plus i dont think floyd will go for 154 yet if ever, ishe has great potential and is a good fighter but hes no mayweather not experianced enough.. though i feel he could shine against margarito.
winky: absolutely! the man has the most insanely good defence and best jab ive ever seen i think and he can fight on the inside to and nuetralise floyds speed... certainly a possibility.
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Originally Posted by body head banger
it sometimes can, and it worked for vernon. but it wouldnt and wont work on pbf, not that this is a prime example but corrales was big and had long arms and he was destroyed, but the main reason why just bieng tall and jabbing floyd wont work is his elusive style and defence its terribly hard to break it and its awesome for counter punching especially for the left hand (jabs included) cos his left hand is low when attacking and high when defensive but his right arm always stays in a shell like position at the body like a trap for you to throw a shot and he rolls his shoulder up and he leans well to and he counters brilliantly i mean im not the biggest fan of floyd , but theres no doubt his techniques are sound. but i dont really see margarito as much of a fine fighter with his jab not like dlh, and its not that pbf wont fight him due to fear its that floyd thinks hes a bum and that hes fought nobody decent and he doesnt see him as a big opponent worth a big fight , thats assuming of course word hasnt got round as it seems to be the hottest topic. but margarito is more hype than genuine skill.
I have to agree that he is hype more than skill, but as for Chico, he doesn't use his reach as an advantage & he is not a fighter that establishes a jab, so that is in no comparison to a fighter like Forrest! But yes I haven't seen Margarito use a jab like a tall fighter should either!
yes youre right but i was trying to stay away from saying chico does, more to the point he could of and probably should maybe he could have stuck in there longer... i think he was gun shy after the first round anyway.. he kept looking up to the bigscreen to see how long was left and getting hit when he did.
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Originally Posted by NorthSideX4
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it sometimes can, and it worked for vernon. but it wouldnt and wont work on pbf, not that this is a prime example but corrales was big and had long arms and he was destroyed, but the main reason why just bieng tall and jabbing floyd wont work is his elusive style and defence its terribly hard to break it and its awesome for counter punching especially for the left hand (jabs included) cos his left hand is low when attacking and high when defensive but his right arm always stays in a shell like position at the body like a trap for you to throw a shot and he rolls his shoulder up and he leans well to and he counters brilliantly i mean im not the biggest fan of floyd , but theres no doubt his techniques are sound. but i dont really see margarito as much of a fine fighter with his jab not like dlh, and its not that pbf wont fight him due to fear its that floyd thinks hes a bum and that hes fought nobody decent and he doesnt see him as a big opponent worth a big fight , thats assuming of course word hasnt got round as it seems to be the hottest topic. but margarito is more hype than genuine skill.
I have to agree that he is hype more than skill, but as for Chico, he doesn't use his reach as an advantage & he is not a fighter that establishes a jab, so that is in no comparison to a fighter like Forrest! But yes I haven't seen Margarito use a jab like a tall fighter should either!
yes youre right but i was trying to stay away from saying chico does, more to the point he could of and probably should maybe he could have stuck in there longer... i think he was gun shy after the first round anyway.. he kept looking up to the bigscreen to see how long was left and getting hit when he did.
;D GOOD POINTS (COOL CLICK)
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Good man!! there should be more people who know reason as you do in these forums i mean there some knowledgable people here but some will just argue tto the death about theyr favourite fighters .
cc back atcha!
on another point hows about what style will beat floyd, i say:
Hatton: (Could!!) pound well to the body and crowd him like never before, depending on the wieght class possibly, though i dont see floyd moving down again.
Cotto: just as good to the body and weve not seen floyd genuinely been pressured to the body, also a good fighter all round.
Mosely: fast, slick,powerful, a more mature version of floyd! fight fire with fire is as good an idea for a fight as any, Though there must be some cracks in shanes boxing or he too would be undefeated.
Oscar Dhl: presuming he is still on top of his game at this age, and presuming floyd sr would play a key role in training for floyd, also he has one of the best jabs going.
All these fighters have potential, but paper is different to reallity i really wouldnt mind floyd facing all of these fighters ;D
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Re: Are taller fighters with a jab & reach the key to beating fighters like PBF?
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
No they are not. And Margarito does not have what it takes
Why do think not? explain?
Corrales has a very good jab when he decides to use it. He couldn't do nothing against Mayweather. Phillip N'dou jab's was also good, but he lost as well. And Genaro Hernandez had a great jab. And he also did nothing. It's going to take more than height and a jab to beat Floyd.
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Originally Posted by NorthSideX4
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
No they are not. And Margarito does not have what it takes
Why do think not? explain?
Corrales has a very good jab when he decides to use it. He couldn't do nothing against Mayweather. Phillip N'dou jab's was also good, but he lost as well. And Genaro Hernandez had a great jab. And he also did nothing. It's going to take more than height and a jab to beat Floyd.
youre also correct. i feel that when they step into the ring with the pretty boy first they get out boxed and then they get gun shy. i didnt see the hernandez fight. though ive seen the others, corrales was not on form and not on his game. and also thanks for reminding me of N'dou cos i was trying to remember his name for the build a boxer thing and couldnt but he has such great heart and fought his best but he was in all honesty one of the typical mandatory fighters that was never going to beat floyd, one of the better mandatory challenges i will add, but yet another chance for floyd to showcase his talent.
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Yeah Hernandez had a great jab, & Corrales had both height & a jab. To beat Floyd your gonna have to have a bit of power, speed & be a great counter puncher.
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As much as I hate to say it I think De La Hoya is the only fighter with the proven track record and who is smart enough to have a chance of beating Floyd.
Hatton would just be outclassed, outboxed and stopped,
Margarito would just lose a wide decision, winning maybe 2 or 3 rounds,
Baldomir the same,
Spinks would go in the latter rounds,
Mosely could be a test, I'd like to see this one,
Cotto is too green, he'd be schooled
Have I missed anyone?
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As much as I hate to say it I think De La Hoya is the only fighter with the proven track record and who is smart enough to have a chance of beating Floyd.
Hatton would just be outclassed, outboxed and stopped,
Margarito would just lose a wide decision, winning maybe 2 or 3 rounds,
Baldomir the same,
Spinks would go in the latter rounds,
Mosely could be a test, I'd like to see this one,
Cotto is too green, he'd be schooled
Have I missed anyone?
I agree with your list. Dela Hoya and Mosely are the only two that gives Floyd a run.
As far as the thread question, it would seem that the taller fighter with a good jab can nullify a fighter like Floyd. But the smart-talented fighters(Oscar,Floyd,RJJ,Hopkins,etc), that shat doesnt happen. Against average to good fighters, yes, against A-class, no. Forrest just had Mosely's number from way back. ;D
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Originally Posted by bilbo
As much as I hate to say it I think De La Hoya is the only fighter with the proven track record and who is smart enough to have a chance of beating Floyd.
Hatton would just be outclassed, outboxed and stopped,
Margarito would just lose a wide decision, winning maybe 2 or 3 rounds,
Baldomir the same,
Spinks would go in the latter rounds,
Mosely could be a test, I'd like to see this one,
Cotto is too green, he'd be schooled
Have I missed anyone?
Nah bro you got everyone, & I agree with everything. Although by the time Cotto is ready for Floyd he may cause some trouble. If Winky could make 154 I'd say he'd be Floyds biggest threat. That would be pure sweet science.
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Originally Posted by bilbo
As much as I hate to say it I think De La Hoya is the only fighter with the proven track record and who is smart enough to have a chance of beating Floyd.
Hatton would just be outclassed, outboxed and stopped,
Margarito would just lose a wide decision, winning maybe 2 or 3 rounds,
Baldomir the same,
Spinks would go in the latter rounds,
Mosely could be a test, I'd like to see this one,
Cotto is too green, he'd be schooled
Have I missed anyone?
hate to say it but i totally disagree, i mean agree with the oscar bit.
but hatton .. wouldnt get destroyed if floyd couldnt stop zab, not a chance in hell it could happen to hatton.i mean if floyd won which theres i'd say 60/40 chance he would he would look better then hatton, but ricky is all about business not looking good!
if anyone, margarito would be stopped and outclassed because hes not at the top level, hes never fought anyone like the people in this list and he's wild when he throws combinations he'd get hit with a counter and dropped especially with floyds leaning shell type defence, tony would go wild and miss him ten times and floyd would hit him with a strait right!
baldi... as much as i have a new found like for the man, he may well give floyd trouble but a clear cut ud!
spinks is good not as good as he has been but thats no good against the p4p king. ud or late stoppage.
mosely.. agreeed fight fire with fire, very entertaining.
cotto..disagree cotto has been on top for two or three years and i say floyd ud. but i'd like to see how floyd takes punishment to the body so dont hold me to that.
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to beat flloyd you need, eithger a total brawler - e.g hatton , castillo who did give him problems, or you need the welterweight version of winky wright, someone who can outthink flloyd in the ring
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i have a feeling that floyd might go to light middle eventually and collect a title there, and he could do it and it would be yet another title in another wieght class for him which would be great for him, and thats where he should fight winky! meet each other half way. also yeh the guy above is right and its cos winky has such long arms and great defence
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Floyd is certainly NOT a light middle fighter.
The bigger boys would smother and stop him.
I'm not suggesting Floyd is a flaky fighter (no way) but i do believe that round 8 onwards with a bigger guy would be deep water for Floyd.
He just dont seem built for further weight increases, without jeopardising his skill sets.
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Originally Posted by bilbo
As much as I hate to say it I think De La Hoya is the only fighter with the proven track record and who is smart enough to have a chance of beating Floyd.
Hatton would just be outclassed, outboxed and stopped,
Margarito would just lose a wide decision, winning maybe 2 or 3 rounds,
Baldomir the same,
Spinks would go in the latter rounds,
Mosely could be a test, I'd like to see this one,
Cotto is too green, he'd be schooled
Have I missed anyone?
I agree with you 100% with Oscar being his most difficult challenge even though I see Floyd winning (I think he would beat Oscar in his prime) but I just don't know what you people see in Shane Mosley, a couple of years of poor performances, he is up there in age, and he has been ducking PBF for a long time, what is it that you see in Shane to make you think this, please don't tell me a solid win over Vargas who is a fighter that everybody on this forum has talked about being shot since I have been a member. Shane is no longer an elite fighter, I am sorry.
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Floyd is certainly NOT a light middle fighter.
The bigger boys would smother and stop him.
I'm not suggesting Floyd is a flaky fighter (no way) but i do believe that round 8 onwards with a bigger guy would be deep water for Floyd.
He just dont seem built for further weight increases, without jeopardising his skill sets.
Never say never! i can see him going up just for a big fight and to catch a title and drop it, i honesly can, u certianly cant say he wouldnt like the idea of bieng champion in FIVE different wieght classes, and if pretty boy is the best pound for pound he would, and also light middle would not affect his performance, he would just be stronger and possibly sacrifice a tiny amount of speed, now making him into a middlewieght would be the problem but i dont see a problem at light middle.
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Witness what Wladimir Klitschko did to Chris Byrd with the jab from the 1st round on. :P
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oh yeh it works for some no doubt and there would be no boxing if it werent for the jab, but i just dont think its goner beat floyd i mean i think it was demarcus corley who found that out when he was just trying to find floyd and floyd was leaning away and rolling the right shoulder it one moment it looked like corley was searching for a light switch and the next pbf leant forward with strait right hands.
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Originally Posted by CityOfGod
Floyd is certainly NOT a light middle fighter.
The bigger boys would smother and stop him.
I'm not suggesting Floyd is a flaky fighter (no way) but i do believe that round 8 onwards with a bigger guy would be deep water for Floyd.
He just dont seem built for further weight increases, without jeopardising his skill sets.
Never say never! i can see him going up just for a big fight and to catch a title and drop it, i honesly can, u certianly cant say he wouldnt like the idea of bieng champion in FIVE different wieght classes, and if pretty boy is the best pound for pound he would, and also light middle would not affect his performance, he would just be stronger and possibly sacrifice a tiny amount of speed, now making him into a middlewieght would be the problem but i dont see a problem at light middle.
I agree bro, DLH started out ay Jr. Light & now he is a fullfledge Jr. Middle. Floyd would have no trouble moving up to 154. If you look at the guys @ 154 only Oscar & Shane present a threat IMO. I would love to see how Ouma would go, he would be the only one I'd say that would have some advantage with size. But Floyd would box him & cut him to pieces.
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yeh ouma and floyd would rock imo but i duno if floyd would take a fight wit the dream maybe after like a BIG fight which i feel he's ready for. i.e i want him to spark out margarito, and i mte happen hes on the list.lol also floyd always seems to go where the fights are, he dun em at lightwieght, he dun em at light welter, hes still banging at welter and if noone stops him hell he might just move his way up to super heavy, lol kiddin, but basically i think theres fair odds of a pbf at light middle in the future.lol
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yeh ouma and floyd would rock imo but i duno if floyd would take a fight wit the dream maybe after like a BIG fight which i feel he's ready for. i.e i want him to spark out margarito, and i mte happen hes on the list.lol also floyd always seems to go where the fights are, he dun em at lightwieght, he dun em at light welter, hes still banging at welter and if noone stops him hell he might just move his way up to super heavy, lol kiddin, but basically i think theres fair odds of a pbf at light middle in the future.lol
Yeah I'd say it's a sure thing, I hope he gets Baldomir & Hatton outta the way first. Those two are champions, Margarito has win big against a Collazo or Judah before I think Floyd should be interested in him.
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yeh man , i mean i like baldomir cos hes kinda truely EARNT my respect recently, and im torn between hatton and floyd, cos i believe hatton could do it,but i know floyd never loses.
i'd be impressed with margarito collazo cos im begging someone to take down margarito and collazo is tough, but i also kinda want maybe baldomir to get another big win. or maybe its best he doesnt get exposed so the deed is left to our floyd. i duno, lol the possibility's
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yeh man , i mean i like baldomir cos hes kinda truely EARNT my respect recently, and im torn between hatton and floyd, cos i believe hatton could do it,but i know floyd never loses.
i'd be impressed with margarito collazo cos im begging someone to take down margarito and collazo is tough, but i also kinda want maybe baldomir to get another big win. or maybe its best he doesnt get exposed so the deed is left to our floyd. i duno, lol the possibility's
Margarito should work like hell to get Baldomir, if he could get that fight & win theres no way Floyd wouldn't fight him. I just wish Floyd would take the fight with Margarito & put him in his place. I mean it's fine to call out the top guys but you gotta also beat some top guys to be in the mix.
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yeh true bro. i duno but i cant imagine floyd knows the scale of this predicament so many people are talking about margarito and tony hasnt even accomplished much its just the press that mayweather turned him down and tony going off sayin every1 is scared, its not true but its a masterful way of getting publicity, might have backfired though if margarito doesnt accept de la hoyas challenge people might start saying he's all mouth, and if he fights baldi im sure floyd would be abliged to take those titles from him.:P
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yeh true bro. i duno but i cant imagine floyd knows the scale of this predicament so many people are talking about margarito and tony hasnt even accomplished much its just the press that mayweather turned him down and tony going off sayin every1 is scared, its not true but its a masterful way of getting publicity, might have backfired though if margarito doesnt accept de la hoyas challenge people might start saying he's all mouth, and if he fights baldi im sure floyd would be abliged to take those titles from him.:P
Yeah he needs to put up or shut up. If he beat Baldomir Floyd would definately fight him for his championship. If Margarito's next fight is not against a guy considered a challenge like Judah, Collazo, Quintana, Clottey, Baldomir, Williams or the like, I will have to start questioning him.
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ive already started its all publicity but he aint put up, hes just demanded a shot at floyd! and also at wright and everybody be saying winky wright wont fight him for four mil, but he will. it sounds like hes smart but he aint as tough as he thinks he is, or at least he isnt proven, man i wish there wasnt so much bullshi..t in making matches nowdays cos theres matches that NEED to be made, for the fighters and the public and theres money issues and all that.ive really not been all that impressed with '06 man roll on '07 and bring some wars with it i say.
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ive already started its all publicity but he aint put up, hes just demanded a shot at floyd! and also at wright and everybody be saying winky wright wont fight him for four mil, but he will. it sounds like hes smart but he aint as tough as he thinks he is, or at least he isnt proven, man i wish there wasnt so much bullshi..t in making matches nowdays cos theres matches that NEED to be made, for the fighters and the public and theres money issues and all that.ive really not been all that impressed with '06 man roll on '07 and bring some wars with it i say.
True bro, Winky would school his a**. Floyd would also put a clinic on him, but Margarito has to realise he's ain't done much. He should tried to get Forrest or Mayorga when they were @ welter, or even Shane when he dropped back down, but he didn't do sh*t. At least this year we've had some top fights like Taylor/ Wright, Hopkins/ Tarver, Lacy/ Calzaghe, Pacquiao/ Morales, Mosley/ Vargas twice so it hasn't been that bad.
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ive already started its all publicity but he aint put up, hes just demanded a shot at floyd! and also at wright and everybody be saying winky wright wont fight him for four mil, but he will. it sounds like hes smart but he aint as tough as he thinks he is, or at least he isnt proven, man i wish there wasnt so much bullshi..t in making matches nowdays cos theres matches that NEED to be made, for the fighters and the public and theres money issues and all that.ive really not been all that impressed with '06 man roll on '07 and bring some wars with it i say.
True bro, Winky would school his a**. Floyd would also put a clinic on him, but Margarito has to realise he's ain't done much. He should tried to get Forrest or Mayorga when they were @ welter, or even Shane when he dropped back down, but he didn't do sh*t. At least this year we've had some top fights like Taylor/ Wright, Hopkins/ Tarver, Lacy/ Calzaghe, Pacquiao/ Morales, Mosley/ Vargas twice so it hasn't been that bad.
yeh you make some good points i was glad of winky wright-taylor a good fight thought winky shuld have edged it, but i really cant score it , its tough and im more biased towards wright. and im so glad hopkins beat tarver aswell and did it well, its a great way to go out although i worry he'll come back for a few more, i just wish fighters wouldnt do so incase they jeopordise theyr legacy's.
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im out people. have fun wont you!! im off to watch Pbf- judah
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ive already started its all publicity but he aint put up, hes just demanded a shot at floyd! and also at wright and everybody be saying winky wright wont fight him for four mil, but he will. it sounds like hes smart but he aint as tough as he thinks he is, or at least he isnt proven, man i wish there wasnt so much bullshi..t in making matches nowdays cos theres matches that NEED to be made, for the fighters and the public and theres money issues and all that.ive really not been all that impressed with '06 man roll on '07 and bring some wars with it i say.
True bro, Winky would school his a**. Floyd would also put a clinic on him, but Margarito has to realise he's ain't done much. He should tried to get Forrest or Mayorga when they were @ welter, or even Shane when he dropped back down, but he didn't do sh*t. At least this year we've had some top fights like Taylor/ Wright, Hopkins/ Tarver, Lacy/ Calzaghe, Pacquiao/ Morales, Mosley/ Vargas twice so it hasn't been that bad.
yeh you make some good points i was glad of winky wright-taylor a good fight thought winky shuld have edged it, but i really cant score it , its tough and im more biased towards wright. and im so glad hopkins beat tarver aswell and did it well, its a great way to go out although i worry he'll come back for a few more, i just wish fighters wouldnt do so incase they jeopordise theyr legacy's.
Yeah I thought Wright won, but at least a draw is better than a loss, look @ poor Quartey. I don't think Hopkins will be back, but personally I wish he would... just being selfish.