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Hatton-Urango has been signed:predictions??
http://www.eastsideboxing.com/news.php?p=7919&more=1
Urango Camp Sets Record Straight
14.08.06 - Keith Terceira: Swirling rumors surrounding the next scheduled fight for IBF light welterweight champion Juan Urango has forced Coalition Boxing (Urango Management Team) to publicly answer some questions concerning whether the next opponent will be Hatton or a Golden Boy fighter. Luis Navarro, head of Coalition spent some time with me today and made the following statement..
“It has come to my attention that many boxing fans are speculating that Lazcano or another Golden Boy boxer may be Urango’s next title defense. To set the record straight Coalition Boxing and Juan Urango have no intentions to fight Lazcano or a Golden Boy fighter in the immediate future. No deal has been reached or is one in the works. We are currently gearing up for a defining bout. This fight of a lifetime has already been signed and a tentative date and venue has been scheduled”
Navarro confirmed that the fight of a lifetime he mentions is Ricky Hatton and that the deal is signed and sealed. The bout will happen in Atlanta on December 8th.
“There are no plans to fight any fighter from Golden Boy, the only one we would consider fighting would be Mr. Golden Boy himself. We have had informal discussions with Golden Boy but we have had discussions with 20 people in the 140-147 range including Floyd Mayweather and decided on Ricky Hatton. Urango is young and he is in great shape and will be making his mark before the end of the year. We have had a signed contract to fight Ricky Hatton now for a few weeks. “
Coalition Boxing based in Miami has been focusing on Urango as well as on a stable that will feature 135-147 pound fighters and currently has a working relationship with prospect Richard Abril (5-0 1ko) and co-management interest with John Wesley Jackson (6-0, 6ko’s).
“We are searching for fighters to assist in the lightweight to welterweight range and are actively recruiting Mexican fighters who have reached a level or 10-0 or so that need expert management, with our current crop of fighters we can offer some opportunities that others cannot.” Navarro stated.
Decent fight,a title will add more glamour to the JLC fight but Hatton best pray JLC is allowed to fight! I take Hatton via stoppage in this.I expect him to smother Urango.
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1. Who cares? Terrible fight.
2. This won't add any glamor at all to a JLC fight. Hatton is already the linear, undisputed champ at 140. Picking back up one of the three alphabet straps that he abandoned won't add a lick of presige to a JLC fight--that fight is huge already (and Hatton better not duck it).
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I don't remember wich fight but Urango looked tired and was eating alot of uppercuts at will and got lucky landed a hard right put the other fighter out. worst part is the other guy had some kind of a gut going and looked out of shape and was winnig. I predict he gets beat down buy Hatton.
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Urango by knock out. He can't fight, he has no defense and his title was a gift. By he does have good power. And Hatton ain't to hard to hit.
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Urango by knock out. He can't fight, he has no defense and his title was a gift. By he does have good power. And Hatton ain't to hard to hit.
He'll be hard to hit for Urango... Did you see his last fight against that Aussie fighter? Dear god, he could make Hatton look like Mayweather... This is a terrible fight though, just shameful on Hatton's part, imo.
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Urango by knock out. He can't fight, he has no defense and his title was a gift. By he does have good power. And Hatton ain't to hard to hit.
Another sad clcik for you mate.
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Hatton hasn't look good lately, I wouldn't be surprised if Urango upset him. 8) Urango got the gift decision agaisnt ben, but Hatton is no proficient boxer.
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Urango by knock out. He can't fight, he has no defense and his title was a gift. By he does have good power. And Hatton ain't to hard to hit.
He'll be hard to hit for Urango... Did you see his last fight against that Aussie fighter? Dear god, he could make Hatton look like Mayweather... This is a terrible fight though, just shameful on Hatton's part, imo.
Did you see Hatton's face after the last fight? And that was against the light-punching Collazo. But I agree with you that it's a terrible fight. And I have no faith in Urango. I don't think much of him at all and will not argue on his behalf. I'm only picking him cuz I think Hatton will under estimate him like he did Collazo. And unlike Collazo, Urango can atleast crack.
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Bad matchup, but at least it should be a decently entertaining fight while it lasts cause neither guys a runner by any means, although it probably won't last long cause well, Urango's kinda shitty. Power seems to be overrated, not much in the way of skills and is pretty much just a headhunter. Hatton in less than 8.
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Hatton is going to crush Urango pretty easily.Its to soon for Urango to fight somebody the caliber of Ricky Hatton,bad move by Urango's management team.
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Hatton at 140 he is the man to beat and Urango is not that man
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Hatton by KO mid to late rounds!
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What will you guys think if Hatton is taken to the trenches or does not stop him? Will you be unimpressed? I think he needs to make a statement and I think he knows that too!
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What will you guys think if Hatton is taken to the trenches or does not stop him? Will you be unimpressed? I think he needs to make a statement and I think he knows that too!
I don't think he can make ANY kind of statement against Urango.
I like Hatton and I've defended him but one more fight like this and I'm off the bandwagon. Hopefully its Castillo or maybe Cotto next.
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What will you guys think if Hatton is taken to the trenches or does not stop him? Will you be unimpressed? I think he needs to make a statement and I think he knows that too!
I don't think he can make ANY kind of statement against Urango.
I like Hatton and I've defended him but one more fight like this and I'm off the bandwagon. Hopefully its Castillo or maybe Cotto next.
Agreed, Ouma :coolclick:
Im dissapointed with this matchup...even if Hatton looks impressive it doesnt change a lot in my book. He definately needs a big fight after this underwhelming filler....
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It seems that Today's fighters jump at these insignificant belts as a way to manipulate the sanctioning bodies and downplay any suspiscion as they jump divisions for big paying fights.
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It seems that Today's fighters jump at these insignificant belts as a way to manipulate the sanctioning bodies and downplay any suspiscion as they jump divisions for big paying fights.
Bro Hatton is only defending his World Jr. Welterweight championship in this fight. He doesn't give a sh*t about a belt cause he's already the champ. The people who follow the belts & alphabet fools are to blame. This fight will be a defense of Hatton's Ring Jr. Welter championship & that's it.
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Hatton gave that belt up to fight Collazo and Urango has his IBF so please show me what you been followin.
http://www.girlstalksports.com/More-...e-20060505938/
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Bro your part of the problem with boxing if you follow that sh*t. Go to www.therig-online.com have a look at the Jr. Welterweight rankings. Hatton is still the World champion, he never relinquished his championship & he never lost it in the ring, just the way it should be!!!
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Bro your part of the problem with boxing if you follow that sh*t. Go to
www.therig-online.com have a look at the Jr. Welterweight rankings. Hatton is still the World champion, he never relinquished his championship & he never lost it in the ring, just the way it should be!!!
Dude your website dont work and are you saying that he has two WBA titles or are you just grabbing air again?
I heard the WBA Light Welterweight Title is vacant and up between - Souleymane M'baye v Raul Horacio Balbi http://www.sportingbet.com.au/uipub/...07&l3id=435708
http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=011432
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Bro your part of the problem with boxing if you follow that sh*t. Go to
www.therig-online.com have a look at the Jr. Welterweight rankings. Hatton is still the World champion, he never relinquished his championship & he never lost it in the ring, just the way it should be!!!
Dude your website dont work and are you saying that he has two WBA titles or are you just grabbing air again?
I heard the WBA Light Welterweight Title is vacant and up between - Souleymane M'baye v Raul Horacio Balbi
http://www.sportingbet.com.au/uipub/...07&l3id=435708
http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=011432
Sorry bro missed out the N should be www.thering-online.com. I'm sayong he's the champion at Jr. Welterweight. Forget the alphabet crap. The ring championship can only be won & lost in the ring & there is only one champion per division. The only way a champion can lose their title is to relinquish it or lose it in a fight.
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I m sick of hearing ricky barely collazo blah blah!! every fighter has an off night at then end of the day hatton took collazo lightly and didnt train as well as he usually does!! if he does shat in this fight then judge him. cause belive me when i say you aint seen the best from ricky yet and now he has something to prove!!
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Sorry bro missed out the N should be
www.thering-online.com. I'm sayong he's the champion at Jr. Welterweight. Forget the alphabet crap. The ring championship can only be won & lost in the ring & there is only one champion per division. The only way a champion can lose their title is to relinquish it or lose it in a fight.
Man you sure tried to slither out of that one but I will give you the benefit of the doubt. However your and your ring magazine rankings are fraudulent because although Hatton is up there at the top he has not come even a little bit close to being as successful at junior welter as Castillo. cotto should be ranked higher than Hatton as well.
This is just more favoritism and manipulation and once again you are part of the problem!
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Sorry bro missed out the N should be
www.thering-online.com. I'm sayong he's the champion at Jr. Welterweight. Forget the alphabet crap. The ring championship can only be won & lost in the ring & there is only one champion per division. The only way a champion can lose their title is to relinquish it or lose it in a fight.
Man you sure tried to slither out of that one but I will give you the benefit of the doubt. However your and your ring magazine rankings are fraudulent because although Hatton is up there at the top he has not come even a little bit close to being as successful at junior welter as Castillo. cotto should be ranked higher than Hatton as well.
This is just more favoritism and manipulation and once again you are part of the problem!
dude, what are you talking about? there's no favoritism or manipulation going on there. tszyu was the recognized champ at 140. hatton beat him. no one's beaten hatton at 140 since. therefore hatton is the champ at 140. cotto hasn't beaten hatton (or tszyu before him), and castillo HASN'T EVEN FOUGHT AT JUNIOR WELTER!
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ring magazine rankings are fraudulent because although Hatton is up there at the top he has not come even a little bit close to being as successful at junior welter as Castillo.
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Sorry bro missed out the N should be
www.thering-online.com. I'm sayong he's the champion at Jr. Welterweight. Forget the alphabet crap. The ring championship can only be won & lost in the ring & there is only one champion per division. The only way a champion can lose their title is to relinquish it or lose it in a fight.
Man you sure tried to slither out of that one but I will give you the benefit of the doubt. However your and your ring magazine rankings are fraudulent because although Hatton is up there at the top he has not come even a little bit close to being as successful at junior welter as Castillo. cotto should be ranked higher than Hatton as well.
This is just more favoritism and manipulation and once again you are part of the problem!
dude, what are you talking about? there's no favoritism or manipulation going on there. tszyu was the recognized champ at 140. hatton beat him. no one's beaten hatton at 140 since. therefore hatton is the champ at 140. cotto hasn't beaten hatton (or tszyu before him), and castillo HASN'T EVEN FOUGHT AT JUNIOR WELTER!
It is your your ring rankings and practically every other ranking that has Costillo at junior welter so what the heck are y'all talking about and by the way Costillo has fought all the way up to 147 which if you have not noticed is welterweight. Most of Costillo's significat fights were at lightweight but Cotto's have been at juior welter and were much more impressive in my mind than Hatton's.
Dang I am surprised that some of you aren't claiming your PBF of the reigning champ of all the weights he has fought or I guese you probably will
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Sorry bro missed out the N should be
www.thering-online.com. I'm sayong he's the champion at Jr. Welterweight. Forget the alphabet crap. The ring championship can only be won & lost in the ring & there is only one champion per division. The only way a champion can lose their title is to relinquish it or lose it in a fight.
Man you sure tried to slither out of that one but I will give you the benefit of the doubt. However your and your ring magazine rankings are fraudulent because although Hatton is up there at the top he has not come even a little bit close to being as successful at junior welter as Castillo. cotto should be ranked higher than Hatton as well.
This is just more favoritism and manipulation and once again you are part of the problem!
dude, what are you talking about? there's no favoritism or manipulation going on there. tszyu was the recognized champ at 140. hatton beat him. no one's beaten hatton at 140 since. therefore hatton is the champ at 140. cotto hasn't beaten hatton (or tszyu before him), and castillo HASN'T EVEN FOUGHT AT JUNIOR WELTER!
It is your your ring rankings and practically every other ranking that has Costillo at junior welter so what the heck are y'all talking about and by the way Costillo has fought all the way up to 147 which if you have not noticed is welterweight. Most of Costillo's significat fights were at lightweight but Cotto's have been at juior welter and were much more impressive in my mind than Hatton's.
Dang I am surprised that some of you aren't claiming your PBF of the reigning champ of all the weights he has fought or I guese you probably will
the point remains: hatton beat the junior welter champ and hasn't lost since. neither cotto nor castillo did. it couldn't be any simpler. if you're going to respond, respond to that. and the rankings all list castillo as a jr. welter now because he's publicly stated that he's moving up from lightweight now that he can't make weight there anymore. but he's yet to fight since making this announcement.
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Sorry bro missed out the N should be
www.thering-online.com. I'm sayong he's the champion at Jr. Welterweight. Forget the alphabet crap. The ring championship can only be won & lost in the ring & there is only one champion per division. The only way a champion can lose their title is to relinquish it or lose it in a fight.
Man you sure tried to slither out of that one but I will give you the benefit of the doubt. However your and your ring magazine rankings are fraudulent because although Hatton is up there at the top he has not come even a little bit close to being as successful at junior welter as Castillo. cotto should be ranked higher than Hatton as well.
This is just more favoritism and manipulation and once again you are part of the problem!
dude, what are you talking about? there's no favoritism or manipulation going on there. tszyu was the recognized champ at 140. hatton beat him. no one's beaten hatton at 140 since. therefore hatton is the champ at 140. cotto hasn't beaten hatton (or tszyu before him), and castillo HASN'T EVEN FOUGHT AT JUNIOR WELTER!
It is your your ring rankings and practically every other ranking that has Costillo at junior welter so what the heck are y'all talking about and by the way Costillo has fought all the way up to 147 which if you have not noticed is welterweight. Most of Costillo's significat fights were at lightweight but Cotto's have been at juior welter and were much more impressive in my mind than Hatton's.
Dang I am surprised that some of you aren't claiming your PBF of the reigning champ of all the weights he has fought or I guese you probably will
the point remains: hatton beat the junior welter champ and hasn't lost since. neither cotto nor castillo did. it couldn't be any simpler. if you're going to respond, respond to that. and the rankings all list castillo as a jr. welter now because he's publicly stated that he's moving up from lightweight now that he can't make weight there anymore. but he's yet to fight since making this announcement.
Ok
I guese since in reality Clottey beat Baldomir to a pulp that Clottey is actually the welterweight champ and after Margarito beats Clottey then Margarito will actually be recognised as welterweight champ?
Oh and please tell me why you dont recognize Floyed as junior welterweight champ even though he moved up or mabe you cant because as usual Floyed never faces the best such as Kostya?
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Sorry bro missed out the N should be
www.thering-online.com. I'm sayong he's the champion at Jr. Welterweight. Forget the alphabet crap. The ring championship can only be won & lost in the ring & there is only one champion per division. The only way a champion can lose their title is to relinquish it or lose it in a fight.
Man you sure tried to slither out of that one but I will give you the benefit of the doubt. However your and your ring magazine rankings are fraudulent because although Hatton is up there at the top he has not come even a little bit close to being as successful at junior welter as Castillo. cotto should be ranked higher than Hatton as well.
This is just more favoritism and manipulation and once again you are part of the problem!
dude, what are you talking about? there's no favoritism or manipulation going on there. tszyu was the recognized champ at 140. hatton beat him. no one's beaten hatton at 140 since. therefore hatton is the champ at 140. cotto hasn't beaten hatton (or tszyu before him), and castillo HASN'T EVEN FOUGHT AT JUNIOR WELTER!
It is your your ring rankings and practically every other ranking that has Costillo at junior welter so what the heck are y'all talking about and by the way Costillo has fought all the way up to 147 which if you have not noticed is welterweight. Most of Costillo's significat fights were at lightweight but Cotto's have been at juior welter and were much more impressive in my mind than Hatton's.
Dang I am surprised that some of you aren't claiming your PBF of the reigning champ of all the weights he has fought or I guese you probably will
the point remains: hatton beat the junior welter champ and hasn't lost since. neither cotto nor castillo did. it couldn't be any simpler. if you're going to respond, respond to that. and the rankings all list castillo as a jr. welter now because he's publicly stated that he's moving up from lightweight now that he can't make weight there anymore. but he's yet to fight since making this announcement.
Ok
I guese since in reality Clottey beat Baldomir to a pulp that Clottey is actually the welterweight champ and after Margarito beats Clottey then Margarito will actually be recognised as welterweight champ?
Oh and please tell me why you dont recognize Floyed as junior welterweight champ even though he moved up or mabe you cant because as usual Floyed never faces the best such as Kostya?
i can't believe how dense you are. i can understand someone being confused about the alphabet rankings or something, but the concept of one champion per division, who only becomes champion by beating the former champion, and only loses the championship by losing a fight or abandoning the division is a very clean and simple concept.
i'll try one last time to clear up your misunderstandings. if you still don't get it, i'm afraid you just lack the aptitude. maybe galaxy can try to explain to you if he still has any patience.
1. Clottey was DQ'd and thus didn't get an official victory.
2. More importantly, Baldomir wasn't the champ at that time anyway--not until he beat the former champ, Zab Judah, who became champ by beating WW champ Cory Spinks.
Re PBF--maybe you're starting to get this very simple concept of the true, linear championship. Yes, PBF was never the Jr. Welter champ because he never beat the true Jr. Welter Champ (at the time, Kostya Tszyu). Even if he had, though, he would have abandoned that title when he moved up to campaign exclusively at 147.
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Hatton will wear him down and stop him around the 8th like he would most people at light welter.
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Sorry bro missed out the N should be
www.thering-online.com. I'm sayong he's the champion at Jr. Welterweight. Forget the alphabet crap. The ring championship can only be won & lost in the ring & there is only one champion per division. The only way a champion can lose their title is to relinquish it or lose it in a fight.
Man you sure tried to slither out of that one but I will give you the benefit of the doubt. However your and your ring magazine rankings are fraudulent because although Hatton is up there at the top he has not come even a little bit close to being as successful at junior welter as Castillo. cotto should be ranked higher than Hatton as well.
This is just more favoritism and manipulation and once again you are part of the problem!
dude, what are you talking about? there's no favoritism or manipulation going on there. tszyu was the recognized champ at 140. hatton beat him. no one's beaten hatton at 140 since. therefore hatton is the champ at 140. cotto hasn't beaten hatton (or tszyu before him), and castillo HASN'T EVEN FOUGHT AT JUNIOR WELTER!
It is your your ring rankings and practically every other ranking that has Costillo at junior welter so what the heck are y'all talking about and by the way Costillo has fought all the way up to 147 which if you have not noticed is welterweight. Most of Costillo's significat fights were at lightweight but Cotto's have been at juior welter and were much more impressive in my mind than Hatton's.
Dang I am surprised that some of you aren't claiming your PBF of the reigning champ of all the weights he has fought or I guese you probably will
the point remains: hatton beat the junior welter champ and hasn't lost since. neither cotto nor castillo did. it couldn't be any simpler. if you're going to respond, respond to that. and the rankings all list castillo as a jr. welter now because he's publicly stated that he's moving up from lightweight now that he can't make weight there anymore. but he's yet to fight since making this announcement.
Ok
I guese since in reality Clottey beat Baldomir to a pulp that Clottey is actually the welterweight champ and after Margarito beats Clottey then Margarito will actually be recognised as welterweight champ?
Oh and please tell me why you dont recognize Floyed as junior welterweight champ even though he moved up or mabe you cant because as usual Floyed never faces the best such as Kostya?
i can't believe how dense you are. i can understand someone being confused about the alphabet rankings or something, but the concept of one champion per division, who only becomes champion by beating the former champion, and only loses the championship by losing a fight or abandoning the division is a very clean and simple concept.
i'll try one last time to clear up your misunderstandings. if you still don't get it, i'm afraid you just lack the aptitude. maybe galaxy can try to explain to you if he still has any patience.
1. Clottey was DQ'd and thus didn't get an official victory.
2. More importantly, Baldomir wasn't the champ at that time anyway--not until he beat the former champ, Zab Judah, who became champ by beating WW champ Cory Spinks.
Re PBF--maybe you're starting to get this very simple concept of the true, linear championship. Yes, PBF was never the Jr. Welter champ because he never beat the true Jr. Welter Champ (at the time, Kostya Tszyu). Even if he had, though, he would have abandoned that title when he moved up to campaign exclusively at 147.
Actually the problem lies in your inability to realize that I am toying with your own denial. How can You fail to admit that Ricky abandoned (your own words) his junior welter title to fight at welter. Since you and galaxy are being so anal about your own little conception of the rules I will point you back to the "simple concept" and real rules that the title is now vacant.
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Actually the problem lies in your inability to realize that I am toying with your own denial. How can You fail to admit that Ricky abandoned (your own words) his junior welter title to fight at welter. Since you and galaxy are being so anal about your own little conception of the rules I will point you back to the "simple concept" and real rules that the title is now vacant.
you're not toying with anyone. going up to fight one fight at a higher weight class doesn't consitute or necessitate abandoning the lower weight class title. if he'd gone up to stay at Jr. Welter permanently, that would be another thing. he never said he was doing that, and it's clear from this fight against urango that he isn't doing that. plenty of fighters in the past have simultaneously fought (and defended championships) in multiple weightclasses at the same time. if after this fight he says, ok, i'm done with jr. welter and finishes his career at welter, then the jr. welter title will be vacant.
hope this helps.
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As interesting as you guys debate it has has totally confused me!! So,how does the ing decide who the true champ is? By deciding which belt is the most important? Help me with this,say hatton has 1 belt and 3 other guys hold the other 3 belts,Hatton moves up and then comes back,who is the true champ acording to Ring?
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As interesting as you guys debate it has has totally confused me!! So,how does the ing decide who the true champ is? By deciding which belt is the most important? Help me with this,say hatton has 1 belt and 3 other guys hold the other 3 belts,Hatton moves up and then comes back,who is the true champ acording to Ring?
The alphabet straps are completely irrelevant. Hatton is the true champ because he beat the true champ, Kostya Tszyu. Period, full stop.
I'm still working on this one, but Game/El Phenomena, are you sure "Maracho" isn't just your obnoxious second account alter-ego? I mean, maybe he really is just some other guy that has all the same viewpoints and questions but can't help state them in the most annoying way. But sometimes I wonder.... :detective:
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Actually the problem lies in your inability to realize that I am toying with your own denial. How can You fail to admit that Ricky abandoned (your own words) his junior welter title to fight at welter. Since you and galaxy are being so anal about your own little conception of the rules I will point you back to the "simple concept" and real rules that the title is now vacant.
you're not toying with anyone. going up to fight one fight at a higher weight class doesn't consitute or necessitate abandoning the lower weight class title. if he'd gone up to stay at Jr. Welter permanently, that would be another thing. he never said he was doing that, and it's clear from this fight against urango that he isn't doing that. plenty of fighters in the past have simultaneously fought (and defended championships) in multiple weightclasses at the same time. if after this fight he says, ok, i'm done with jr. welter and finishes his career at welter, then the jr. welter title will be vacant.
hope this helps.
Oh so that is the way it should be--just move up a weight class, fight for a big money belt and screw all those other guys who have been waiting and battleing for years to get there. Why not, when your with HBO or Showtime you can do what ever friggin you want including the use of wrestling moves if that what it takes to make HBO happy.
Shizu, thanks for letting us all know who you represent and what your trying to justify.
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Re: Hatton-Urango has been signed:predictions??
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Originally Posted by shza
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Originally Posted by El Phenomena
As interesting as you guys debate it has has totally confused me!! So,how does the ing decide who the true champ is? By deciding which belt is the most important? Help me with this,say hatton has 1 belt and 3 other guys hold the other 3 belts,Hatton moves up and then comes back,who is the true champ acording to Ring?
The alphabet straps are completely irrelevant. Hatton is the true champ because he beat the true champ, Kostya Tszyu. Period, full stop.
I'm still working on this one, but Game/El Phenomena, are you sure "Maracho" isn't just your obnoxious second account alter-ego? I mean, maybe he really is just some other guy that has all the same viewpoints and questions but can't help state them in the most annoying way. But sometimes I wonder.... :detective:
Did you just sad click me over that?!?! Hell no,I'm my own man,Maracho likes Margarito,I like Margarito,end of! and I asked a simple question,which you did not answer,and I was asking as I have no idea how the ring thing works soooo..... ::**
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Re: Hatton-Urango has been signed:predictions??
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Originally Posted by El Phenomena
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Originally Posted by shza
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Originally Posted by El Phenomena
As interesting as you guys debate it has has totally confused me!! So,how does the ing decide who the true champ is? By deciding which belt is the most important? Help me with this,say hatton has 1 belt and 3 other guys hold the other 3 belts,Hatton moves up and then comes back,who is the true champ acording to Ring?
The alphabet straps are completely irrelevant. Hatton is the true champ because he beat the true champ, Kostya Tszyu. Period, full stop.
I'm still working on this one, but Game/El Phenomena, are you sure "Maracho" isn't just your obnoxious second account alter-ego? I mean, maybe he really is just some other guy that has all the same viewpoints and questions but can't help state them in the most annoying way. But sometimes I wonder.... :detective:
Did you just sad click me over that?!?! Hell no,I'm my own man,Maracho likes Margarito,I like Margarito,end of! and I asked a simple question,which you did not answer,and I was asking as I have no idea how the ring thing works soooo..... ::**
Yeah Shiza just clicked me too but who gives a rats booty for he is just a pawn of those we expose.
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Re: Hatton-Urango has been signed:predictions??
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Originally Posted by El Phenomena
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Originally Posted by shza
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Originally Posted by El Phenomena
As interesting as you guys debate it has has totally confused me!! So,how does the ing decide who the true champ is? By deciding which belt is the most important? Help me with this,say hatton has 1 belt and 3 other guys hold the other 3 belts,Hatton moves up and then comes back,who is the true champ acording to Ring?
The alphabet straps are completely irrelevant. Hatton is the true champ because he beat the true champ, Kostya Tszyu. Period, full stop.
I'm still working on this one, but Game/El Phenomena, are you sure "Maracho" isn't just your obnoxious second account alter-ego? I mean, maybe he really is just some other guy that has all the same viewpoints and questions but can't help state them in the most annoying way. But sometimes I wonder.... :detective:
Did you just sad click me over that?!?! Hell no,I'm my own man,Maracho likes Margarito,I like Margarito,end of! and I asked a simple question,which you did not answer,and I was asking as I have no idea how the ring thing works soooo..... ::**
didn't sad click you, but it looks like someone (you? maracho?) got me about three times there.
i thought i did answer your question though. i wasn't trying to be an asshole. the ring decides who the true champ is by looking at who won the true championship by beating the former champ. generally, you can only become the man by beating the man, as it were.
maybe you're asking what happens if someone actually does abandon the title to go up in weight. maracho's been pushing on this one, and admittedly things do get a bit dicey there, since there's some line that constitutes "abandonment" that it's tough to fully describe.
Like, Hatton seemed to be saying that he intended to compete in both the Jr. Welter and WW divisions, and seems to be doing just that, so The Ring doesn't consider him to have abandoned his Jr. Welter title. But if he had stayed at WW after the Collazo fight and not fought at Jr. Welter for a year (or maybe it's 13 mos. or something--they have a policy), then he'd be deemed to have abandoned the title and it would be vacant. Or to take an easier example, if B-Hop--the current LH champ (by virtue of beating ex-champ Tarver) really does stay retired, as it appears he will, that title will be open.
In that case (vacant title), a fight between the #1 and #2--or in some cases #1 and #3 (this is what happened in Calzaghe/Lacy--JC was #1 and Lacy #3 going in, since there had never been a Ring SMW champ prior to that fight; and I'll be the first to admit that I have no idea what makes a 1 vs. 3 a championship fight in some circumstances but not others) determines the new champ.
So I'll admit there are a few places where there's some play in the Ring system--though I was less willing to lay it all out there for maracho since he seemed more concerned with being provocative than actually figuring anything out. still, overall, I still think it's a hell of a lot simpler than trying to determine anything based on having at least 4 alphabet organizations, each with its own belt, each with its own rankings (based largely on fees), and each of which requires fighters to pay for belts in addition to winning them (so we end up with, e.g., Zab Judah retaining the IBF title coming off a loss to Baldomir).
Anyway, I meant no offense. I just had a feeling on the maracho thing, but if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. Apologies, and have a CC.
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Re: Hatton-Urango has been signed:predictions??
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Originally Posted by maracho
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Originally Posted by El Phenomena
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Originally Posted by shza
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Originally Posted by El Phenomena
As interesting as you guys debate it has has totally confused me!! So,how does the ing decide who the true champ is? By deciding which belt is the most important? Help me with this,say hatton has 1 belt and 3 other guys hold the other 3 belts,Hatton moves up and then comes back,who is the true champ acording to Ring?
The alphabet straps are completely irrelevant. Hatton is the true champ because he beat the true champ, Kostya Tszyu. Period, full stop.
I'm still working on this one, but Game/El Phenomena, are you sure "Maracho" isn't just your obnoxious second account alter-ego? I mean, maybe he really is just some other guy that has all the same viewpoints and questions but can't help state them in the most annoying way. But sometimes I wonder.... :detective:
Did you just sad click me over that?!?! Hell no,I'm my own man,Maracho likes Margarito,I like Margarito,end of! and I asked a simple question,which you did not answer,and I was asking as I have no idea how the ring thing works soooo..... ::**
Yeah Shiza just clicked me too but who gives a rats booty for he is just a pawn of those we expose.
I did click you, this is true. You are being an asshole, as usual.
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Re: Hatton-Urango has been signed:predictions??
We got to get a title for our little white hope but Rabah is the easiest guy out there yet he is slicker than Collazo. Hmmm if only we could get him in against a tough guy like maybe Urango to boost his marketability. Hmmm, but Urango doesn't have a title. Hmmmm, we can fix that at the casino.
Really though I love Ricky but not who he associated with.
